What's your opinion on the whole "born homosexual" idea...

What's your opinion on the whole "born homosexual" idea? I've never been homophobic but I feel like sexuality is something mostly shaped by your life experiences.

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I think it's mostly genetic. I've known I was straight from a very early age, and that seems to be the case for most gay people too.

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We are losing femme gays everyday to prostitution and the estrogen scourge.

Nobody is born homosexual, until there is science to disprove this or even a plausible theory I believe everyone is born heterosexual according. Homosexuality is a disorder (i'm not hating on gays) but it is a deviation off the natural course off human reproduction and goes against our species goals.

Therefore I believe homosexuality is environmental, studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma.

Plausible theory: Gays have a mutation on the X chromosome that women also get (of course) that makes them more attracted to men than they would be otherwise. In women, this is advantageous, and a study showed women who are relatives of homosexuals have 1.3x the number of kids on average. For men, it is deleterious but women can carry the gene onward so it doesn't disappear. Gay men do sometimes reproduce and surrogacy will only increase that number.

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I think it can be both. I know several homosexuals that knew they were gay from childhood. I also know gay men who belive their early traumatic sexual encounters with pedophiles manifested into homosexual behavior. I also remeber reading a study which stated theres a link between high iq and sexual deviance. Either way homosexuality is found in many animals and should be respected imo.

For it to be a plausible theory you'd have to prove that gays have a mutation on the X chromosome.

well, what made you a faggot OP?

are you gonna tell us?

Rape, necrophilia, incest and eating mothers feces is also found in many animals and you know what? Spiders can regrow limbs! Therefore humans can too.

God makes them gay its beautiful you bigot

I think it's definitely developmental. I remember having homo thoughts as early as 5, but it didn't really hit me that I was gay until about 13 when I realized I wasn't into girls.
No, I wasn't molested as a child.

it's upringing or environment
before i came on Sup Forums i was a normal sexually adjusted person, but all this trap porn and whatnot, past me would probably look at it in disgust but i see it as normal

>tfw no turbofag sissy queen ""bf"" to hatefuck and made my housewife

Correct and I'm not sure though to what extent science has not reached that yet vs. how much that is deliberately seen as an undesirable outcome by those against genetic manipulation/eugenics.

>tfw libtard thinktanks funnel millions upon millions into studies to find the 'gay gene'
>tfw the best the scientists, that are embezzling money out of the gay science fund for their retirement fund, is that there's a vague indication of possible mutations which may lead to the discovery of the gay gene
>tfw the same libtards decry any corporate funded studies because there's a conflict of interest

really :thinking: makes :thinking: you :thinking: think

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If you could choose to be gay there'd be a whole lot more gay dudes around. I don't know anyone who'd willingly put up with women if they weren't forced to on a biological level.

Let's say you're right, that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual - this does not account for the millions of people who are gay who have not been abused. It also does not account for the majority of those who have experienced abuse and have turned out heterosexual. Your claim that only homosexuality is environmental isn't founded on anything other than 'it goes against our species goals.' That isn't an argument.

Desensitisation does not equal attraction. While I am not as repulsed by the thought of gay sex as I once was, that doesn't mean I'm about to suck some guy's dick.

Every homosexual that I've ever known has had some kind of emotional problem or mental illness unrelated to being homosexual. Literally every single one of them.

The ones who aren't born gay get sucked into it

You're misrepresenting my argument.
"that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual" I never said that.
I said "studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma."

Plenty of abused people don't end up
as homosexual.

My argument was homosexuality is from an environmental standpoint not that they were abused, debate my actual argument.

>"that people who are abused are more likely to be homosexual" I never said that.
>I said "studies have found homosexuality is heavily linked to Childhood abuse and trauma
The implication is the same.

>debate my actual argument.
Maybe when you present one.

I dont give a shit about your sexuality. Wanna be a faggot who gets fucked in the ass? great have fun.

I do however think that Transgender people are mentally unstable and need therapy and medication.

Its no more complicated than liking something or not liking it, how much so and then deciding whether to seek it out again. Heteros have it easy because it is *assumed* they like girls, so its an easy choice and all of society is behind it. Its not hard to like either, but it is hard to persist openly in homosex,

No one really *is* anything, we just repeat the things today that we did yesterday and dont think much about it. We assume the decisions we already made were good enough. Most theories, including especially the 'born that way' bullshit are just blatant claptrap, as is the idea that you "are" something. Some people like girls and then like guys later as well, some leave girls altogether but rarely. Guys who like guys dont try girls as much because society has more rules about hetero relations that make it a bigger challenge and full of obstacles not as present among homosex pursuits.

This regards likes and behavior; the idea of identity and lifestyle are much more abstract, inflated notions that have much less to do with the actual persons likes than their sense of identity. Straights dont sit around deciding if they want to be straight, but gays do decide if they want to announce their preference.

Contrary to common myth, gays are not simply straights with a different polarity. Theres more to it, and as you intuited, ir is shaped from experience. Much of those experiences arent even sexual, but pre-sexual development in how one relates to males and females before sex even occurs to them in youth, and can prefigure preferences, which is why it seems like it came from nowhere.

And I should note that no one will ever accept any *rational* explanation for homosexual interest, because by doing so, you explain how heteros develop too, which destroys all the romantic myth built around it. So we keep pretending its a mystery. We dont like learning how much of our personality is actually beyond our control from influences in youth by culture that we never realized were influencing us. No puppet ever wants to see its strings.

All women are bisexual to some degree, Most just dont admit it or act on it because of religion and shame

Well but equally I think men are more centered on the axes of fully gay and fully straight.

I agree with you to a certain extent. You're too dismissive of genetics' influence on our personality for me to wholly agree with you, but I get the gist of what you're saying.

Same with men, although in my case I'd say I'm like 99% straight.

The research I've read indicates it's determined at the embryonic stage. If that's correct, gays (the real ones, not the larping attention whores) might indeed be born this way, but are not conceived homosexual, it's something that takes place after that (i.e. it could be a preventable thing, once the cause is known).

Why does it seem like homosexuality is the one wedge issue that Sup Forums can't reach a clear consensus on? It feels like almost everything else is either black or white, but for this one issue we're just split down the middle. On one hand you have people saying that homosexuality is a normal and ultimately unpreventable thing that isn't worth getting worked up over, and on the other extreme you have people spouting stuff like "85% of homosexuals have had over 6 gorillion partners and raped at least 7 schoolboys" and other sketchy statistics. Then on another hand you have the people who know homosexuality is unpreventable but don't want it pervading society because it encourages sexual pleasure outside of procreation and promotes hedonism, or something of that nature. It's like a big discussion on liberty vs. authority and how much freedom should be allotted to citizens in a given society. Sup Forums's seemingly recent obsession with Christianity just makes things even more complicated.
I dunno, it just feels like a massive grey area for Sup Forums.

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I think the lions share were homo sexually molested as kids.

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Well, at least you're being honest about pulling stats from your ass.

Who cares

If it's true theres two possibilities

>Epigenetic malfunction due to weird environmental factors like xenoestrogen
>The Buddhists were right and fags are too attached to their previous incarnation where they were a woman

I think it's mostly nurture, if not entirely. That doesn't mean it's a choice either, though. As a child you will experience a number of things, and while you may be genetically predisposed to end up gay, the events through your early years will be the biggest factor.

Aren't homosexuals insanely more likely to have been sexually abused as children compared to heterosexuals? That should stop the idea of 'gay from birth' full stop, and I'm a leaf who supports gay rights, but we should be honest about it and not encourage it.

well said.

i sucked alot of dick in prison to pass the time but i aint no fag iight shieeet

thank me later
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Traps arent gay.

pretty much this.

Let's take a closer look from a male perspective

Gay:
> Basically unlimited one night stands
> No chance of pregnancy
> Keep most of your money for yourself
> Special treatment in the workplace and anything government affiliated
> Increased risk of AIDS

Straight:
> Constantly have to battle with women for sex.
> General expectation of any sexual encounter turning into a committed relationship
> Must take precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancy - still doesn't work sometimes
> Spend a good chunk of your money on wife, children, extended family, household needs
> Constantly get shit on by society even though you are the backbone of the whole system
> Relatively low chance of AIDS

Who would willingly choose this bullshit?

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Convincing weak minded cunts that gay is normal is Jewish Tricks 101.
Its just filthy fucking degeneracy and needs to be bashed out of them.

There is no empirical evidence for it, including no biological basis. If a genetic identifier does exist and is found, it will be only a matter of time until those genes are treated as cancerous as Downs Syndrome.

However, I believe that faggotry is a result of mental illness, born from feelings of inadequacy or discomfort around the opposite sex, which may be caused by any number of things. Most people who experience this get over it, while a few develop anxiety disorders and various other problems. They become fixated on faggotry as a result.

they are born gay in that they are raped so young they dont even remember it but it has affected their brain making them faggots

Antedotal, but I knew my cousin was gay when he was like 4 years old

How so?

Protip: your uncle is a monster, and your cousin probably isn't even aware

Because polgbt is a bunch of christian fundamentalist fuckheads trying to convert gays into their retarded cult.

Really? That's amazing. I assumed it was just gay guys sperging out.

I have to admit same here. Most of my gay friends are frigging weirdos lol

You have gay friends? What are they like?

Jeez user

My cousin and I back in high school like average teenage boys would talk about chicks, wanting to lose our virginity, the usual 'guy' stuff. He was hornier than me and chased a lot more girls than I did. I never suspected him to be gay. Fast forward 10 years -- he comes out of the closet as gay -- well he sure had me fooled in high school. No way it was a facade. After talking to him about it he told me that he was """born""" gay and just faked it for his entire life. Biggest load of bull shit I've ever been fed in my entire life. When I tried to get him to recall how horny and how he'd pine for women in highschool he acts as if he NEVER did.

Pretty sure gays say they were born that way to cement in an argumentation point about how "you can't choose who you're attracted to." when in fact the opposite is true. Gay feelings are not natural and lead to genetic dead ends -- there is no benefit from being gay, and you can't spread your gay genes if you are gay. It's just a fad that people meme themselves into and then they refuse to come back to reality.

The "I was born gay" argument is simply used because changing would be inconvenient.

This to be honest

A lot of gay people try very hard to change themselves, and often act very straight to compensate. It is fact that the most outspoken homophobes are often gay. Look it up.

>when in fact the opposite is true.
Go watch some gay porn and see what it does for you then. I am very open to the idea of being attracted to men, but I simply can't make myself.

Are bisexuals gays in denial? Bisexual men that is

I've literally never felt attraction toward women. And believe me, I've tried. I feel like anecdotal evidence can't be used to draw conclusions about these things, unless we start noticing common trends in them.

Or new to being gay.

Turns out sexuality is a construct

No one is born gay they choose to be gay

According to modern sjws

I haven't seen a homosexual that wasn't at least on of these:
>abused
>divorced parent (single mum)
>mental illness, ranging from schizo to manic depression
Not a single one. They all have something very wrong with them, not always abuse. however homosexual molestation of an underaged person will very often result in another homosexual. This is their primary way of spreading.

How about I just post the redpill on homosexuality that basically answers every question addresses every possible argument. Save us some time.

it is "normal" to be born heterosexual. this is how we have gotten this far as a species.

shitlibs want to romanticize sex and sexuality, make it this flowery poetic expression of your unique self or some bullshit. it's not, sex is a means of reproduction that happens to make your brain feel really good because your naughty bits get stimulated.

my prostate will objectively feel good if I stick something up it—that doesn't mean I should let another dude stick his dick in my butthole. women are objectively the more beautiful sex, and even women see that. just because women can recognize the beauty of their fellow women doesn't mean they should get all sexy with em.

I completely believe that people can be born gay, and there's nothing wrong with it, as long as they keep to themselves. the problem is when it gets "normalized" to the point where being gay is equated with being cool and special and unique, because then people (women especially, but also feminized nu-males) start brainwashing themselves I to thinking "maybe I'm gay too". this is because women and nu-males are herd animals who require social validation over all else, so they go with the flow of what ever everyone else is doing.

I met a young woman last year and we flirted for months, and, long story short, after I was convinced that she was definitely into me, I asked her out, and she told me she was gay. she's an SJW, and I thought if she was truly into me, I'd be able to fuck some sense into her, but no, the liberal mind-virus is far more powerful than I had imagined—she was unaware of her own attraction to me, and to all the flirting she was doing, because she literally doesn't understand her own feelings, and allows them to be overridden by the leftist brainwashing. I was sad for awhile because I really cared about her and wanted to save her from her mindjail, but alas I could not, so I moved on.

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Link to that thread?

Let's recall op asking for 'your opinion'. I have mine, and I think you're bullshitting me just like my cousin and any other gay male to justify your illness as uncontrollable and unfixable.

That 404'd a very a long time ago, probably. No idea if it's archived.

You mustn't have met many homosexuals then.

>she was unaware of her own attraction to me, and to all the flirting she was doing, because she literally doesn't understand her own feelings
Holy kek, you literally cannot make this shit up. You got rejected, get over it crybaby.

Early childhood abuse from

Dude, I'm not trying to taqiyya you here. I was raised Catholic and taught all throughout my childhood that being gay is wrong. And after all that conditioning, I still turned out the way I'm am. And you know what? I was ashamed of it. I'm still ashamed. I tried and tried to develop an attraction toward women (including trying in vain multiple times to fap to straight porn) but it just doesn't work like that. I have a feeling your cousin was either trying to overcompensate for his closet faggotry, or he's still straight and he's just lying to himself.

Nothing in life is ever only one thing or only another.

Think of it like this: if you can't turn yourself gay then gays can't just turn themselves straight. Their brains are just wired up to prefer men, they can't help it. Just let them be, they're not hurting you.

Suicide is your only option fag.

That's interesting. I come from a Christian family and went to Christian schools. Not once have I ever heard them even mention the subject of homosexuality.

Homosexuals act like Christians are constantly on the subject of it. The bible has 31,173 verses only 6 of them are even about homosexuality they have a lot of other things to talk about and teach other than the small subject of homosexuality.

Maybe it's just Americans..

lolol not only am I 100% over her, but I didn't tell most of the story such that I could fully establish what happened. I'm not sad because she rejected me, I'm sad because she's a good friend of mine and in a few decades she'll hit The Wall, realize she wasted her life, and then get super depressed and possibly kill herself. I have an aunt who basically did exactly that, bought into the le empowered strong woman who can have a career all on her own and don't need no man meme, got a dog to pacify her inherent biological maternal instincts, and then hit The Wall, the dog died, and now she's borderline suicidal.

this is only going to get worse as time goes on. I was naive to think I could reverse the effects of the mind-virus. once you're in deep, there's no going back. by tying these memes to people's identity and sense of self-worth, they prevent people from ever separating the two and thinking freely ever again.

Homos (fags) live in the sewers. They feed off of rotten fish and I hear they are poisonous.

An investigated study was conducted by KEK State University. The venom form a gay wad, once injected after penetrating the skin, caused the victim to have outrage symptoms. This lead to the "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" movement. Poor infected Keks, were later detoxed and was able to live among society.

But the story doesn't end there.

Once upon a time. A fairy said, "A GUUU" and we murdered it with fire. And the real world celebrated. The End.

Now go away. KEK hates you, and so do I.

6 lines have been used to treat people differently.

Homosexuality is programmed into people. I was born straight, hated the sight of dick but loved hardcore porn. Eventually I came to be used to looking at dick. Then one time I saw a tf2 futa spray and felt turned on (not even knowing what futa was). It's all the kike programming to blame.

there is zero scientific evidence that homosexuality is in any way genetic or related to any physical causes
it is 100% psychological and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot

Homos are just as bad as vegans in terms of broadcasting their lifestyle. I dont care for either. And noone should have to.

So can you psychologically turn yourself gay?

In a day? A week? Or even a month? Probably not. How about over ten years? What if that window takes place during puberty, your childhood, when you are most impressionable? Quite likely.

There's even less evidence that it's due to environmental factors, most scientists believe sexual orientation is determined in the womb, due to a multitude of factors... not genetics, not life experiences growing up, but your development in the womb, and honestly that makes the most sense to me.

>I feel like sexuality is something mostly shaped by your life experiences
That's literally what it is, any other explanation is bullshit

Why do you insist on shoving your heterosexual lifestyle in gay people's faces?

i dont think it would be that easy to do it intentionally
it's most likely culminated through several events throughout their childhood
>inb4 i was always gay!
children don't think about sexual desires until about puberty so there's a lot of time for this to happen

but since there are in fact documented cases of gay people going back to being straight then the reverse must be true as well
(liberals will tell you that the subject in these cases are lying about becoming straight/were lying about ever being gay)

What a load of rubbish. "Even less evidence" There is either evidence or there is not.

Sexuality is environmental, there's a reason why Asians born in western countries find western women more attractive...

If men are more beautiful why would I fap to women's bodies with a male genital in my gayest moments? Hairy fucks are disgusting to me still.

My jimmies have been rustled.

>man's body is better looking than a woman and everybody knows it
sorry but you can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously
what i say is backed up by reality
what you say is not

even women prefer to look at women
that's why more art is done of women and women are preferred as waitresses, masseuses, flight attendants, secretaries etc
even women prefer to see the beauty of the female form rather than stare at a gruff man when it comes to non sexual situations

hiding your comment now so i dont have to see that disgusting queer's asshole in my peripheral vision

Homosexuality is a mental illness and that is a fact. Sad part is homosexuals pressured the APA to declassify it as one by protesting infant of their conferences every year. If they would seek help for their mental illness they homosexuals wouldn't have such a high suicide rate and drug abuse problem

>most scientists believe
yeah no there are no scientists that believe that in any way
there are talking heads with political agendas that will tell you that
but there is no hard science that there is any physical cause for homosexuality

people have been doing research on it for decades now and nothing genetic has been found
there isn't even any physical differences in the brain
stop falling for libtard propoganda and seek cold hard evidence

I think it's biological. Probably related to in-utero hormones or something like that causative. Could be many factors. For example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

Plus, homosexuality has benefits for the survival of the species so it may even be selected for (i.e., communities with homosexual males may succeed more often because they are more resource efficient, leading to more children overall.)

In the end it's something that can't be changed or removed, so the right way to handle it is to just stop giving a shit and let people live their lives.

My personal experience is that it's a fetish shaped by porn. I think there's articles out there supporting this idea too, but I'm uncertain of where they are.
Anyway, avoid the kike's evil porn. Don't over-fap. Everything in moderation, and your sexuality will retain within natural limits, more or less.