Prove me that civic nationalism is a bad thing

Prove me that civic nationalism is a bad thing

>pro tip : you can't

Civic nationalism allows niggers and Jews which leads to civilization being destroyed.

it keeps you just happy enough to make you docile

slavs are 100% ethnically pure and still can't pull off anything to save their lives i.e. even if they were 100% ethno-nationalistic they still woulnd't be able to do anything.

Switzerland is largely civic nationalistic and outperforms everybody. We have like 25-30% immigrants or more.


Really makes you think.

fpbp
Fuck off, nation of cucks.

then why not be an EU nationalist? a hemisphere nationalist? civic nationalism is just globalism but more slowly

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>We have like 25-30% immigrants or more.

how many of them are arabs or nogs

Civic nationalism doesn't exist.
Ethnic and nation has the same meaning. All nationalism is inherently ethnic

Russia was the most powerful nation in the world several times in history.

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>ex commie states that have corrupted politicians can't bounce back
>it must be because they aren't civic nationalists
You are literally retarded m8rino
also have fun having ahmed rape your daughter
consider suicide or go back to plebbit

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Half of their administration was german though

I don't get it. Trump was never a nationalist

It shows that niggers and spics are ready to forfeit any sort of national identity/beliefs because they are the only ones that benefit from a welfare state

i dont really care about the opinion of non factor countries, like greater slavia/eaast europe or brazil rofl
if you think your country can do better, good for you,

make sure you stay the fuck away from western europe


because the EU is filled with slavic shit holes that would pull us down immensely, absolutely nothing is to be gained by teaming up with slavs

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No you pathetic autistic retard
make sure you don't send muzzies and niggers to any state that doesn't want to commit suicide so they can have a better economy

if it means I have to live around niggers then it's bad by default

how is this civic nationalism then?

You're naked and fat and sad.

Your post reeks of lazy bait and for that you are a nigger, but on the matter of Civic Nationalism, it seems to depend on whether or not you personally buy into the opinions of jews who want the world over in their pocket and weak. If you allow decent people into your society, its impossible to know if the jews are weaseling their puppetstrings through your nation.

is partially retarded. the whole point of civic nationalism is to keep fucking niggers and degenerates out. Ethnic nationalist can bray and bitch about MUH DIJENORICY, but the problem is that you can point out filthy, unthinking, lazy degenerates in any culture or race. Thats why they slip back to ITS THE JEWS WEAKENING MY CULTURE WHITE MAN WAKE UP so often.
>but what about Sheriff Clarke? What about all the "honorary whites" that come up?
also makes no sense. To keep your nation strong, moral, and just would take the utmost vigilance. Docile folk will always have their way of life taken by them. Pride and an upheld sense of identity are a necessity in upholding the civic nationalism values. When a standard for morality and accountability becomes known to the common man, you will prosper. When you can speak of people who simply do not deserve to be amongst your population, based solely on their actions, then you will be able to speak of the problems of society itself the world over and how to combat them. None of this pussy-footing around peoples feelings.

Civic Nationalists are the true soldiers against degeneracy

Ethnic Nationalist are against Asian Male White Female relationships because they are afraid. They are afraid for something they have not contributed to, something you can't contribute to, something that doesn't, hasn't, and will never exist. If fear is what drives you, then you can guarantee that someone is manipulating you. Not every nigger is the same creed, just as not every part of the White "race" is the same creed. Come to think of it, there is absolutely no cohesion in this "race".

you're ugly have crocked teeth and are shit skinned

It's pretty good.

There are zero arguments as to why a nation should not import skilled workforce that it needs.

At my engineering company we have people from 28 different countries. I don't care what you NEET losers think about them, the fact of the matter is that they are necessary for the regional economy of my country and no amount of you REEE'ing is going to change that.

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civic nationalism would say that mexicans could all move to america and become americans, so whats the difference from that and merging with mexico? the borders? whats so special about the borders? its just globalism, so call yourself a globalist

Yeah I know, even the national socialists in France are civic faggots.

I feel bad for light frenchmen.

have fun with the "racial tensions" in 30 years
then the "racial protests" in 40
then the "racist protests" in 45
then the literal butchering in the streets in 50

this is either a terrible bait or you're just mentally handicapped

yep, Switzerland has plenty of Germans, French, Italians, which makes sense, seeing as they're "german swiss", "french swiss", "italian swiss". Probably have Austrians, too.

Those problems will be because of our immigration policy in general, not because of the skilled workforce we import to deal with shortage in healthcare/engineering and other areas where natives are not productive enough.

Your argument is retarded as to what I was saying.

>The skilled workforce we import will never bring their unskilled family members or procreate and instill completely different ideologies in their children
you are retarded is what i'm saying

Trump doesn't like gibs

Context is important
Usually civnats aren't concerned about skilled immigration
They are pro multiculti pro open border and that's why they can't call themselves nationalists

Do you think family reunification will be a thing under a nationalist system?

How retarded are you exactly? It was limited here by centrist-right government, what do you think a nationalist one will do?

You are completely retarded, but I shouldn't expect much from a Turkish rapebaby who only knows murder and death.

Anybody that comes here, integrates over a long time and provides something for the country is allowed to call himself swiss, that's "civic nationalism". That doesn't mean every fucking nignog is allowed to come.

The idea that there is some tribal and friendly connection between white people specifically is mostly bullshit anyway, if shitskins weren't around, people would just be busy fucking with their neighbours.

There is a reason why slavic countries are shit tier, and it's not as easy as blaming communism.

We have lots of slavs too, and a decent amount of shitskins/pooinloos , but very few niggers (thankfully).

The most troublesome group is by far the slavs and the (illegal) niggers that managed to slip in.

>It shows that niggers and spics are ready to forfeit any sort of national identity
Isn't Trump the same?

>They are pro multiculti pro open border

This is so false I question if you actually believe this yourself or just how far you will go to make everything that isn't 14/88 nationalism into some kind of leftist scheme.

>civic nationalism would say that mexicans could all move to america and become americans, so whats the difference from that and merging with mexico?

Strawman.

Civic nationalism is about having a nationally understood identity of culture. Many spics ive had work for me had a history of crime, had very little desire to integrate, and a general resentment to change. Worse of all is that they never seem to care much about politics in a greater sense, but just want to get what personally would increase their households income (ill grant that this is probably tied to the tendency of the spic to obsessively provide for their family).

These people do not belong in my country. They should be in the land of their birth and culture and attempt to improve it if it isnt good enough for them. They should have never been let in. Borders are crucial because they are the point where we can say who is good enough and who is not. Who gets to be a part of our culture and who doesnt.

I dont get people that think civic nat. is globalist. Its the fucking opposite. It is literally the Niggers and Degenerates Get Out REEEEE of political ideas. Borders are HOW you defend your culture and identity.

Ethnic nationalists will always be caught trying to chase their own tails because of the degenerates who shit up their system but get to because theyre white. Every Antifa member Ive met was white. Every clinton voter i know who actually knew what her policies were, was white.

In an actual Civic Nationalist society that understood itself as such, this kind of shit would not stand because its detrimental to society. Its as simple as that. The reason these things happen now is BECAUSE our nations are cowards and wont acknowledge a national identity.

you're a narrow minded fool. The company decided they needed to bring in foreigners because they couldn't get their throat filled enough and now you act as though you would have all starved if they weren't around.

It also proves Norwegians are mostly dumb idiots. According to your post, you're not able to sustain yourself.

But then I must ask you why do you put "civic" there?

It's a ploy. It's meant to cover up the problems that arise in multicultural and multiethnic societies by giving it an ideological, feely purpose.
They actually never work though. There is not a single successful country which is not segregated or plagued with corruption or other signs of low interethnic trust. And don't say Switzerland - that's the exception that proves the rule.

you fucking moron holy shit how short sighted can you be
It's textbook subversion of cultural beliefs
How long do you think it'll take for that "centrist-right" government to be outvoted by shitskins that benefit from there being more of them
or how about the quadrupled birthrates of any shitskin
letting in a minuscule amount of them would only tip the first domino and get the cycle going
do any of you retarded millennials remember the europe pre migrants?
It was the same bullshit you're experiencing now
You'll let a couple of skilled workers in that actually immigrate properly, their proximity will loosen the "rightwing" government, they'll let more of them in, left wing retards along with every shitskin will start subverting any sort of nationalistic pride and will call it racism
and you get the US
what'll happen next is the same thing that happened here and it's the same thing that'll happen in my previous post

He is don't get me wrong, but in the elections he was portrayed as the idealistic president that will be against that
we got swindled m8

>implying any shitskin won't be a shortsighted retard that will just perceive it as we versus them
racial tensions are inevitable
you are naive if you think otherwise

no, there is an actual lack of skilled people and smaller countries that aren't slavic shit holes depend on immigrants if they want to remain competitive
if you have a degree from a reputable uni in math, physics, computer science I could get you a job in less than 10 minutes and with a couple of phone calls


rofl stop larping you dumb faggot, nobody is trying to subverse anything, people just move to where they have the best living conditions

nobody cares about your dumb conspiracy theories or about right wing / natsoc movement

>that you can point out filthy, unthinking, lazy degenerates in any culture or race.
I'm so fucking tired of /reddit/ posting their ignorance here.

Look up crime statistics and IQ of other races.

you stupid civic faggot there is no conspiracy to subvert anything it's human nature to want to instill your ideologies in your kids
those ideologies clash with ours
it's basic fucking nature you stupid plebbit retard fuck off this forum if you can't understand something as basic as this

what about muslims, they're just peacefully using up social services?

so you let people of other nations mix, just at a slower rate as i said, its no different from globalism other than rate and your magical borders.

>Borders are crucial because they are the point where we can say who is good enough and who is not. Who gets to be a part of our culture and who doesnt.
and why? for what reason? if anyone can become an american, why should some generic clay mould people be outside your borders and some inside? you cant only pick certain people you want either and expect it to be different because their kids will be their own people separate from the ones you let in.

>your country's politics now consist of different ethnic groups infighting each other over the largest piece of the pie instead of competing with other countries

eloquent as fuck user
i'm gonna steal that line

Dirt and documents isn't/aren't magical and doesn't make different groups come together and sing kumbaya. Nationalism is inexplicably tied to one's own ethnic identity.

integrated micro-war

No, not in this case, as our region would not be able to sustain the level of production we have without outside workforce. It is not about greed, it's about actual wealth creation in terms of jobs and production.

We aren't dumb idiots, half our country is so sparsely populated that you literally can't find enough people who have the skills to perform in high level positions.

Because the counter-point to it seems to be ethno-nationalism, which is essentially what you will have in European states under civic nationalism. Ethno-nationalism in Europe would mean a separation of the ethnic population and everything else in terms of rule of law.

Currently all mainstream nationalist parties like SD in Sweden are "civic" nationalists.

I don't even understand what you are writing, you write nonsense that makes no sense at all given the politics of my country or most of the West.

We've had 40 years of liberal policy when it comes to immigration. A nationalist approach to the situation is inevitable and already happening
here.

It might be too late, but not because of the skilled workforce. The problems with immigration in Norway has always been the massive amount of unskilled workforce that congregate in the East, and it has nothing to do with the objective need for skilled workforce in sectors we cannot cover.

we lucked out on the mudslimes , ours are/were largely integrated really well, nobody speaks turkish on the streets here

It's largely because our school system in the 80s and 90s was very strict, and even the dumbest immigrants were whipped so hard they banded together with the Swiss in an effort to "rebel".

as i said, you arej ust a mad dog repeating his own opinion to himself until he is 100% sure he is right and going full retard over it , kind of like some fanatic mongoloid
people that immigrated themselves and aren't white are usually against immigration, and most of them are even against taking refugees


no , they come here, and they integrate i.e. they become swiss in every way they can sans coloring themselves white
they talk our language, they eat what we eat, they also behave like we do in many cases , and they work with us , not against us (foreigners pay a lot of fucking money into our system actually, because they generally are doing very well)

>No, not in this case, as our region would not be able to sustain the level of production we have without outside workforce.

I wonder if that's true. Why can't some cityfags go to your region?

You have a cool flag.

>you are wrong because you are a mad dog
>people of different races do not have completely different ideologies than the dominant culture
>this is why 90% of shitskins voted for Clinton
you are the one who's "facts" are based on fairy tales m8rino

you too

>Why? for what reason?
Because certain patterns of behavior and ideals lead to the degradation of a moral and just society. If you let cultures that do not or CANNOT integrate with yours into your country, it will either result in violence, the outbreeding of the parent culture, or if the parent culture is weak and overly lefty its just handed over.
Youre once again strawmaning. I never said anyone can become an american, i said the opposite.

>why should some generic clay mould people be outside your borders and some inside?

Because I know that not every person outside of my culture is a degenerate nigger, some of them have my cultures values and desire to uphold them, and those people should not be turned away just because they have a skintone. Thats autistic.

ou cant only pick certain people you want either and expect it to be different because their kids will be their own people separate from the ones you let in.

I literally fucking can. Either the immigrant integrates or gets removed. If the kid is a citizen but doesnt hold the values of the culture, hes just a nigger who will end up in prison on his way to lethal injection or rehabilitation.

This would only be the case if the parent culture cucked to non-compatible immigrants. And its fucking hilarious that an ethnic nationalist would bring this up when all an ethnostate would result in is CONSTANT infighting over who was white enough and who wasnt ACTING white enough and who maybe had a mixed heritage and was probably a threat and who isnt the right kind of white and maybe that shade of hair is indicative of a sub-optimal white.
NON of the mixed mongrels of Sup Forums would last in an ethnostate. I have no idea how you autistic morons would expect its nation to function with any liberty or automation when every corner and shadow is hiding the Jew, the degenerate antifa fag who unexplainably is whiter than you, and the nay-sayers who want to rethink what a nations values are.

What even is civic nationalism? How is it different from muh open borders sjwism?

You're either a nationalist or not. If you have to distance yourself from it by calling you civic or whatever, it creates all kind of vulnerability. What is the ideological basis of having border then? Some nog in africa points finger at the lowest retard in your country and says "Hey if he is allowed there, you must allow me in too. I'll eat your food and put your flag on." This is basically civic nationalism line of thinking.

Niggers are proof enough.

>inb4 pseudo-science arguments and IQ charts

Generally people prefer to live in cities over rural areas, people have been moving to cities for decades and it makes it very hard to attract people who already have the capability to work in more competitive areas.

That's why you'll earn twice as much in districts in rural Norway compared to the big cities if you work in a government position for example. I don't agree with their method, but it tells you something about the situation when even the government struggles to attract people to regions that are sparsely populated even for basic functions.

There is nothing wrong with Civic Nationalism, in America. Your culture, history, and contemporary form must inspire pride and assimilate incoming culture to qualify.

threads done. you can close this tab now. sage.

ye , your country produced people like yourself, i wonder why it's a non factor shit hole if you are so brilliant.

you should go and convince your country men to not let anybody else in ... oh wait... nobody wants to come anyway ... now what you faggot?

and maybe you don't realize , but people that immigrate understand very well that the reason why the countries they immigrate to are doing better, and ALL of them understand it's because of the culture (swiss people are more on time, stricter etc. everybody will tell you that if you ask them). And 99% of the immigrants also try to adapt and integrate, not all of them manage to do it, but I've never met anybody that outright tried to live in his own "foreign cultural" bubble.

the subversion is not coming from outside, it's happening from within i.e the neoliberal marxists spawned by "jewish" philosophers - and immigrants hate these faggots (they literally call them faggots) because they understand that they are generally just spoilt rich kids trying to feel good by SJWing

Read the fucking thread.

Civic nats. believe that people can be good people if they have the right values and culture instilled to them. Ethnic nats. want skin color. Idiots and degenerates and pedophiles welcome, as long as theyre WHITE idiots, degenerates, and pedophiles :^)

The words are largely meaningless here, as they are used here in a context that is different from their more academic use.

In the context here, ethno-nationalism would be a state where there would be some form of discrimination either positive or negative depending on your status.

You can label it just nationalism if you want, the distinction I'm making is one as it relates to the rule of law.

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Fpbp

Ill also point out that actual civic nationalism requires the parent culture to actually assert its identity and defend it. Im not saying america is anywhere near that. If you cant say "these values are beneficial to a society and these values are shit and can go fuck out" then your SOL and will lose a culture war that you cant even acknowledge generation by generation.

Fpbp

You don't really outperform anyone except in living conditions, where everyone else would beat you if only they had an immigration policy as strict as yours

Implying me and my countrymen would rather sell away our national pride and stability for measly shekels
At the end of the day i come home to a safe neighborhood where i can safely let my children play outside i can also allow myself all of the pleasantries you experience as well
I've been to Switzerland as well m8 and after seeing those muzzies and morrocans sitting around on benches smoking weed and not working i can safely say that you are on a slippery slope
have fun spending those shekels after the butchering in the streets m8to
i hope it would have been worth it

Your entire post is an argument for civic nationalism you autist. You speak of cultures and values but call it skin tone and race

>nationalists don't have laws and let pedos rape children
i think you confused civic nationalists there m8rino
i don't remember my rape or terrorists stats rising like sweden or germany
really gets my noggin joggin

Precisely this. 10 years ago it was normal to talk about American culture, today it's considered offensive.

The idea that lowering the average iq of a democracy would be a benefit is fucking hilarious. If these people were capable of producing a Hamilton or a Madison, would they be coming here?

lol, we have the best everything and you fucking dumb burger are spouting some retarded shit , living conditions encompasses pretty much everything, how can you just come here and say "EXCEPT in living conditions" , what else are you going to do other than living in a country you dumb faggot


ye because raping goats isn't recorded in any statistic you autistic piece of shit

You actually have higher rates of crime in practically any statistics than Switzerland.

Apparently you are safe where you live, and the Swiss guy is twice as safe.

Civic cucks BTFO

Nationalism is exclusive. Or discriminating as you call it. Civic nationalism or whatever that is called is inherently inclusive ideology. If you identify yourself of a member of a culture you are welcome. Civic nationalism is an oxymoron

so by that logic why not merge usa and canada, or france and germany into single nations? they can assimilate and eat the same kebabs, learn the same english and all is happy right?
>Because certain patterns of behavior and ideals lead to the degradation of a moral and just society
and these patterns of behavior come from where? they should assimilate like your civic nationalism says and become great burger loving americans, right?

>those people should not be turned away just because they have a skintone
ethnicity is much different than skintone, but i think you know that.

>If the kid is a citizen but doesnt hold the values of the culture, hes just a nigger who will end up in prison on his way to lethal injection or rehabilitation
and why would you want to inflict this on yourselves? look how many blacks and mexicans you have to pay for and feed in your prisons already.

Your argument is based on the false claim that ideologies can be readily changed
That is a baseless lie
It is only logical to conclude that people when people branched off 50K years ago and experienced morphological differences they would experience behavioral ones as well.
Groups of people that are more prone to violence will always have ideologies that support it
black crime statistics prove this

You produce no art worth preserving, you have no cultural effluvium, etc
There's nothing easier in the world than producing good living conditions if you're a tiny, irrelevant place taking in select immigrants. You had to count to ten and you managed to, congratulations

>get btfod
>NATIONALISTS RAPE GOATS
>YOU ARE A GOAT RAPPER
also do you know what people rape goats the most m8?
i'll give you a hint
it starts with mud and ends in slime

>a statistic that has the places with the most religious tensions with the norm
>YOU ARE LESS SAFE THEN US
remove 3 cities and the crime is 0

The point I'm trying to make to you is that Japan is a nationalist country, but you don't limit rights to people who are citizens based on their status. There might be some discrepancy here, but overall the status as citizen grants you the same rights regardless of origin.

A culture is more in the minds of men than in their genes, so theoretically civic nationalism would be possible under strict conditions, but it will never be tried because it's just a cover for unlikited corporate workers

I won't try to prove it. You'll realize it eventually. See you in the wasteland nigger.

Of course he is, Switzerland is richer. What's your point?

As ive said, the ENTIRE focus on civic nationalism is decent behavior and upstanding moral citizenship. Be a good person, dont break the law.

Its about building and protecting (which is the part you seem to ignore) a functioning and moral culture.

Meanwhile Ethnotards have to deal with people of their ethnicity having the capacity to behave like shit despite being white, which isnt a matter youve addressed as of yet. What do you do when people of your ethnicity start to capitulate to destructive degeneracies and ruinous political ideas other than moan "ITS THE JEWS!" like a nigger moans "ITS THE WHITE MAN!"? Or is such a possiblity completely impossible because your skin tone denotes a capacity for ideal societal cohesion and no one within your ethnicity would ever disagree with it? I assume if every citizen of your nation was also of your ethnicity then it would be a one party, perfectly automated utopia where no one felt the need to disagree about anything because youd all have the same skin tone?

after arguing with these retards i reached the same conclusion
like germany pre ww2 they will realize it and act on it
and when times are easy they will forget it and this retardation will continue
it's sad

What's nationalistic about it? It doesn't recognize the existence of a nation. The whole world is your "nation" as long as it accepts your values. It's globalism, plain and simple, just with an insistence your country be sold to the highest bidder.
Despicable.

So what your saying is can apply selectively when crime matters and when they don't.

Yeah I'll just discount the cities where people actually live, it's all good my man.

You mean what is the point of refuting someone who claims to live in safer country but all statistics show the opposite? I'll let you figure that one out yourself.