Why aren't you growing your own food, Sup Forums?
Now it's infeasible for you to grow enough food to live off of unless you own several acres, but there's no reason you can't grow some of it.
If you can't even grow a small crop of beans, what kind of a civilized man are you?
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
homesteadandgardens.com
twitter.com
Give me a quick rundown
No space, I'd like to.
If had a place, I'd grow basil, parsley, tomatoes and potatoes, which can sustain you with potatoe gnocchi in the event of some seriously apocalyptic shit.
I'll have picture related one day
Not an argument. Get a community plot.
One thing I really like about Europe that we lack in Australia completely is allotment gardens. As more an more people live in homes without gardens it's something that is badly needed
Don't keep pigs, bees are dodgy (risk atm is parasitic diseases) and few people grow grains, they're either grown else where way too cheap or require extra steps that require mills.
I'd prefer to grow indoors so I can grow all year, especially for tomatoes and basil. I can get parsley and potatoes to grow all year so outside is fine for those plants.
Also, other things I'd like to grow but again it's seasonal so I wouldn't do it outside.
>find plot
>buy seeds
>plant seeds
>weed, fertilize, and water by hand or chemical
I need property for that, still working on it.
Started 4 years ago. All organic, no chemical pesticides/fertilizer.
If you what to start, even if you only have room for a few 5 gallon buckets with soil or a few hanging pots, look up Mel Bartholomew and Square Foot Gardening. It's a gardening practice about growing a bunch of food in smaller spaces. Start to compost and add in some companion plants/flowers, and you'll be set up for growing food!
I have a small patio garden. I grow beans peppers and tomatoes. I would grow potatoes in 5 gallon buckets but I ran out of space. I can't grow squash it always gets overrun by fungus. Seriously if you can't grow simple vegetables kys.
>growing seeds you bought at a store
might as well buy the veggies as well they are grown from the same modified seeds
whats the point of growing your own food if you are still going to eat GMO?
I'd argue that someone gardening for the first time might find store bought seeds or store bought starter plants easy to work with, especially if they don't know anything about caring for plants. But yes, you make a good point. LEARN TO SAVE HEIRLOOM SEEDS FROM EVERYTHING YOU GROW
Why dont you fucking grow weed and sell it for money so you can just buy food.
Don't the seeds revert to the ancestor?
lmao its way more complicated than that if you actually want to get a yield from anything you grow.
its the next step so my children wont grow up on pesticides and over priced GMOs
>Why aren't you growing your own food, Sup Forums?
I do.
Remember, we're only 2 major crop failures away from starvation!
>community plot
gay as hell, get your own land grow your own crops. Don't rely on the government to provide land for you to farm you socialist fuck.
Because I don't eat fruits or vegetables.
anyone can create their own garden plots in the comfort of their own backyard. Just get an electric tiller and make your garden bed. Make the measurments 3X7.
Apart from planting the seeds at the right time of the year, how is it "way more" complicated?
>3x7
garden for babies
a couple zucchini plants will fuck that shit up senpai
GMO is illegal in Russia.
You can just import seeds from there.
Everyone i know is buying seeds and other supplies from there
and its notable change from what you get in EU market.
Sup Forums is a grower board
COMPOST URBAN NIGGERS AGRICULTURE WAR NOW
forgot to delet name
gotta make sure soil has enough organic material, probably need access to manure in order to make compost. Or you could start your own. Also, in order to make sure your plants have greater chance for germination, you should start them in red solo cups and then transplant them into your bed. Probably also want to set up a drip-irrigation system in order to make sure they're being consistently watered. Not to mention you're probably going to need a greenhouse like structure in order to start your plants in order to have them planted after the first frost, depending on the climate you live in
Actually, I am growing my own food. I have two large gardens with flowers for my mom and grandparents to make them happy. But I also saved lots of old pots and buckets from other plants and I'm growing stuff in that. This summer I'm growing cherry tomatoes, lettuce, snow peas, sugar peas, raspberry, lots of onions/chives, parsley, basil, dill, lemon balm, and catnip. I find gardening quite rewarding.
*last not first frost
you would have multiple beds ideally. You can also plant multiple crops in the same bed, onion is a good companion plant, as is garlic or any other herb.
I am, i make very little money and support the household so it takes a while. We only have an acre but every year i add more raised bed gardens. I usually have 30 chickens and a rooster. I culled the herd (older hens no longer laying) So i have around 15 now. Hens got super fucky fucky though and I got 30 hatchlings this spring. Bought some turkeys and meat birds as well. Planted 100 strawberries this summer. Ever berry variety. Grows throughout the year. Won't get a ton this year but next I will. Raised bed is the way to go for labor saving and quality.
>not growing corn on your apartment patio.
Grow potatoes in those cheap plastic totes.
How do you grow strawberries successfully? I've been trying to get a good yield but they keep choking each other out from the runners they send out
Cut the runners off and transplant in a separate area/container or discard. The main plant will then put more energy into producing berries rather than supporting the runners.
I have 5 years worth of stored foods in mylar put away and I didn't even spend a lot of money doing it. 5 years of standard but rationed and controlled meals for 7 people. Hope you love rice.
I don't even have time to cook my food, asshole. Not all of us are NEETs.
alright so its really just a problem with my upkeep then I guess. How many plants do you keep per bed then? What are the dimensions on your raised beds?
This, I also ordered mine online. Heirloom non gmo, they came with this water gel on the roots. Helps them start out. 98/100 plants made it.
I get mushroom compost from a local garden store by the truck load. Great stuff, during the winter I take hay and chicken poop/dirt and put it on the garden and I have hoop houses. Not sure how long the strawberries will last but I can get kale all the way into January-February.
Usually -5-10 degrees during that time.
I use concrete blocks, with a cat block on top to sit on. So around 8-12 inches high, 4 feet wide and 20 feet long. I think they have about 2 feet between plants, maybe three. Cutting down those runners and keeping it to a few quality berry producing ones really is the key to success.
ya i've had really good luck with kale, spinach, lettuce. Most of the crop will winter over as well and give me a good yield before I switch em out for tomatoes, radishes, or some other crop I plant for the growing season
s-sauce on that image?
I live in an apartment. And posted
I'm growing strawberries right now but I'm not concerned about fruit yield since its just small scale stuff for fun/relaxation.
For how many plants per bed is really just how dense and easy you want to be able to work it/ how much nutrient you have accessible to the plants. If you have a good fertilizing schedule you could have dozens of plants in a small bed. Cutting the runners just separates the two clones allowing the parent plant more energy rather than the clone siphoning it away through the runner.
There are other things people suggest for higher fruit yields. Like culling older plants or pinching new buds. Watch a couple YouTube videos on it. There is tonnes of agricultural information floating around out there.
hmm I think I need to make my beds larger then, that might be the problem as well.
You could always make a strawberry barrel. A 55 gallon plastic drum full of holes. its kind of messy but it works really good.
True, and it's people like that who plant tomatoes the wrong time. Hydro is what you use to make it not matter, you manipulate/adjust the lights and nutrients or nitrogen in the water when you want it to grow differently. My idea is to use computers and basically assume the plants are growing normally.
When your parents grow tomatoes but that only means free tomatoes one time a year and then they rapidly go bad until we have fridge fulls of rotten tomatoes. Yuck. Hydroponics means you have plants may be growing at month rotations so your harvest is once a month and only one plant.
Nice, but a lot of people are wondering why you didn't use the ground.
Again, I'd rather use the ground or set up a hydro lab somewhere so I can get basil and tomatoes year round. This is some bullshit where I live it's too cold/too hot for tomatoes to have a long harvest time, I'd rather just go hydro so I don't rely on the seasons.
Issue is I need space, time and money. It can be just random plastic tubes of water, but I also need heaters and then enclosed areas and PH monitors, since different plants need different PH, and a few raspberry pi like things or whatever is popular.
After that I either monitor it manually or start assuming the plants rate of growth, as in this plant gets this schedule for x months, then this schedule for y months. If shit is automated and climate controlled I could basically replicate it anywhere and have it working, besides needing to build fucking aluminium foil boxes everywhere.
This is what I don't have space for. The dirtiest supermarket potatoes and some dirt (buy it from a hardware store at least, guys) is pointless and on par to tinfoil hatting. Hydro is a legitimate hobby.
Redpill me on squash fungus I'm growing yellow squash from starts right now
thats interesting. I have rain barrels I use for irrigation so I could just convert one of those
Buy your dirt from a hardware store it's probably been sterilized and added nitrogen, you're going to get diseases if you reuse shit from wherever. If you've already planted it's too late to worry about that.
Why not take it a step farther and do aquaponics. Superior as there are less chemicals involved and you get two food products. You could easily do it with Yabbies in Aus.
I bought a bunch of potting/garden soil with vermiculite and mixed it with steer shit, did I fuck the goose
I'm not too keen on needing to feed something, automated means I can fuck off for months at a time and come back to a shed full of fruits, vegetables, herbs. That's fucking apocalyptic right there.
Fish need to be fed, especially in the beginning since I don't know if aquaponics even eventually supplies its own food source, it's a drain on the system and not as simple as just adding fish. Barely something I could set up and fuck off.
depends on how fresh the shit is.
>in order to make sure your plants have greater chance for germination, you should start them in red solo cups
Yeah. The blue solo cups will cause your plants to only grow leaves on the left side.
It's too much work to grow shit in my climate, and the stuff that is able to grow I mostly don't care for.
At the end of the day it's cheaper to just buy it than spend all the time, energy, and water/fertilizer on it.
As for organic, good fucking luck that shit is getting devoured by locusts.
lmao, whatever color plastic cup floats your boat retardo
I'm thinking shit from an animal that's similar to an animal of the region pumpkins ( why call it squash? I was so confused and thought about fruit) grow would increase the likelihood of bacteria harmless to the animal but harmful to what he's growing.
Hydro.
No disease. No climate accounting, doesn't matter if temperatures range from -2 to 42 and if I can get some space all it'd require is checking a computer.
Well using Yabbies as an example: you could have a main tank for the crayfish that pumps into a secondary tank called a refugium. Here you'd have some minnows or guppies or whatever. They'd reproduce and maybe fall into the main tank via a baffle. The Yabbies would eat the dead and living fish. This water is pumped up to the plants with the waste products in the water providing them with the nutrients they need and cleaning the water as it flows back to the Yabbies tank. It might have a few kinks and algae might become a problem, but throw in a couple snails and its be fine I think. Biggest problem would be a pump malfunction, as with hydroponics.
Alternatively you could also just set up an automatic feeder with enough pellets to last for however long youre thinking of leaving the system.
On another note; does anybody do foraging? Ive been interested in starting to harvest wild mushrooms and vegetables. Any tips besides not eating mushrooms youre 100% sure of the species?
A buncha herbs are easy as shit to grow, they come back year after year, grow constantly, etc
Fruit trees seem fine, with minimum needed upkeep
Theres probably a few other veggies worth growing, I tied planting potatoes, they seem to be easy to grow
Probably still not worth it
if the shit has composted It shouldn't be a problem. But you're right fresh shit has too much organic material. I usually try and get shit that's been sitting for a year, but I also live in an area with lots of cattle/horses.
Too much trouble and too expensive. May as well just buy from the supermarket.
I do have a few potted herbs in my apartment. I am not growing anything this season outside because I will be moving soon/ the only thing of value that seems to do well outside of my apartment is marijuana. I joined my school's community garden last year to get a basic free lesson on gardening 101. Next step is to save up enough to get the land necessary to grow a decently sized vegetable garden.
Because I live in the city in an apartment block.
Get some pots and soil. Herbs can be grown year round inside. Just make sure to find a good window with sun and water the plants regularly. They don't take up much space.
Hydro doesn't even need a pump sometimes, that's the beauty, it seems mostly a requirement of for leafy foods, which would include basil. Also, you'd run out of low food chain level animals, it's simply not a sustainable system. The only way hydroponics isn't sustainable is if the power runs out or no one is around to eat the stuff.
Yeah, to be honest just buying dirt would work better because it's actually the traces of nitrogen in the shit that helps plants, in many animals the shit actually contains toxins that kill plants. I had a dog who managed to kill all the back lawn grass. That's grass in a grassland area not growing well.
If you buy the shit it's sterilized the best of times and has added nitrogen the worst of times. If you do this again buy the dirt and see how it turns out.
Herbs are obnoxious to run out of, so even a small herb patch is beneficial (but only parsley grows year round in random dirt).
Unless you're so white you don't use herbs?
Basil doesn't grow at all inside, we've tried. The leaves you get are tiny and gross.
The cannabis plant grows like a weed and flowers or fruits like an exotic tropical plant. You can grow it in random dirt in winter but you're not getting any good sensimilia, or the bud.
Again, hydroponics. Colder for growing, warmer for fruiting, and there's so much research on cannabis plant light timing. Not doing this hydro is not value.
you know how to croprotate?
>irish niggers didn't then all potatoes died
What also is a nice META is giving the plants to much nitrates in the summer but also giving it growth halting hormones, those plants get fucking thicc that way, high profits, just regulate organic matter in the soil since fertilizers burn it away
protip!
if you soil is low on nitrogen just plant bean on them, they add nitrogen in the soil, just plant peas they do well in tempereate climates.
and for the grasslands, just plant cloverfields, they also add free nitrogen
I grow some of my food. The rest (like, eggs, milk, meat and such) I get from farmers I know. I also do some hunting (roe deer, boar and waterfowl, depending on season) and gathering (mainly mushrooms and some herbs)
1) Community plots are often owned by local groups.
2) The level of socialism depends on the agreement of use. Some community gardens require you to rent a plot but you get complete control for the season. In those gardens your crop is yours. While other gardens are completely socialist and are open to the whole community. Those gardens share the crop out.
3) For those of us without good land it is a good alternative to buying everything. Last year I put in about 15 hours of work into a community garden. Got tons of potatoes, kale, mint, cucumber, rhubarb, corn, beans ect. The only thing I needed to buy for food for 3 months was meat.
What books do you guys recommend for someone who is completely new at gardening?
I live in a one-bedroom apartment with no east-west facing windows. I also fucking hate beans, but sure I sprouted a few when I was a kid.
You can grow potatoes in buckets, takes up very little room. At the end you just tip out a bucket full of fresh potatoes. Search youtube
I don't grow myself but I found this awesome plant in the woods and it tastes very sweet and tangy.
>all seeds are gmo
Being this retarded
you can even grow potatoes in damp hay in a dark spot my man
Because i don't have time or attention span to actually grow shit properly. Plus i live in the desert and it sounds annoying to deal with vermin, bugs, and the climate. Walmart sells shit for super cheap too. Why would i bother farming when i can spend 20 bucks at walmart and have my veggies for a whole week?
>they add nitrogen in the soil
Unlikely.
I can grow potatoes in the ground.
I don't want this, potatoes are apocalyptic stuff you start growing when the world is either ending or just getting started.
I want perfect, crisp basil leaves all year round and tomatoes that taste like apples.
Try using a larger pot and better soil. Make sure it gets adequate water. Make sure that it gets enough light. I can work. Basil can be done decently inside. Though the herb that I found grew the best to grow inside was broad leaf thyme. The damn thing lives through anything and still produces good results every time.
How do I grow a meat plant?
just look for Nitrogen fixing plants you austalian cunt.
Sorry I shouldn't be harsh you guys dont know how to farm with those fucking deserts of you, EVEN ISREAL TURN ITS DESERTS TO FARMLAND.
g'day!
You can buy heritage seeds over net.
plant blackberries near sheep pastures, sometims a sheeps walks into the blackberry and gets stuck
Cold would kill the plant in winter. I live in Canada. Though I never intended to grow pot. I wanted to grow vegetables. However my neighbours throw some marijuana seeds into my vegetable garden. None of my vegetables grew but their pot grew wonderfully. They did eventual move them to their own pots and apparently they did bud. However I rather avoid any plants that could get me arrested.
Burger post of the day.
Actually beans (legumes) are nitrogen fixers among other plants.
To maximise the amount of nitrogen fixation you can cut the legumes when they start flowering.
>Why aren't you growing your own food, Sup Forums?
Because i make enough money to pay someone to do it for me.
Let me red pill you canuck on reality.
You don't grow them, you build them and hire 200 illegal mexicans to staff it.
>mass produce Roma tomatoes to make sauce
>only get a single plant's worth of tomatoes
Yeah, cool, socialism, so some menapausal lesbian can have tomatoes meant for sauce in her nutrition deprived salads.
This is why I don't rely on people, I'd sooner distribute the end product. It wouldn't be the first time I've contributed something that's predominantly helped other people.
Again, it wouldn't be just basil, it would be a variety of plants and I'd want certains levels monitored. For instance, the PH tomatoes use is much higher than the PH basil uses, so they can't go in the same tub.
homesteadandgardens.com
Beans peas and clover, just as you said. If it comes to potatoes, I'll remember to plant beans alongside and add "wrong flavored bean stew" to my apocalyptic repertoire, unless I can grow cumin? Capsicum is fairly easy to grow.
Fine, but again that doesn't change the fact everything dies at below zero and everything wilts at over 40. Australia is not a natural agricultural wonderland, it's an industrial society with industrialised farming.
Netherlands, you know exactly what you can grow with your local dirt. Australian dirt is sandy, old and dry, the whole continent is a recovering desert/facing desertification. Things don't grow here without high technology, so I'll take it to the computer age with digital monitoring.
Canada is also not an agricultural wonderland, neither is most of north America actually. If the water freezes, you have no chance at growing anything at that time. Likewise, if the temperature is hot enough any plants besides desert survivors will wilt, which leaves out almost everything except some peas (which I've learned have a high likelihood of nitrogen adding).
..free food?
legumes are wonderful,and If you cut of the flowers you can put them into the soil after the fall for even better soil.
Legumes are the masterrace
>high protein
>soil upgrader
>grows anywhere it is somewhat hot
You should also learn how to make cristalsugar from sugarbeets for making jams and grow spinach for Iron.
If you can get any meat, legumes and spinach combined are actually a great replacement.
you guys should also learn how to grow Barley and hops to brew your own beer.
pro's of making beer
>beer
>old/death yeast from brewing is rich in minerals and B-vitamins
If you can deal with the cringe of hippies check out your community gardens. They will give you tips and pointers on how to start a garden. Because a lot of them are socialist so they won't ask you for money for their gardening advice. You can also gauge quickly by the state of the garden if they know what they are doing, so you can tell if the advice is any good. It won't take too long and the learning experience is hands on.
Because when collapse happens I'm just going to steal somebody elses.
$10+ for a pack of seeds.
$30+ for fertilizer
No guarantee that the weather will sustain the growth of the crops. I don't have the space. It's a time investment that might not pay off.
I live in brabant, the soil over here is 95% sand my friend, the trick is adding loads of organic material and the soil will be amazing, aim for about 11% organic matter. so since the average farming soil is 30-50 cm deep you should have 50-70l of humus in a m^2 that means adding about 150l of compst once and adding 15l every following year
>free food
If it takes up some of my time it is not free. If it takes 1 hour a day and nets me $30 worth of vegetables every 3 months... I would rather work 7 hours of overtime a week and net $30 a day.
There are certain fruits I'd sooner use or use tomatoes or potatoes (light vodka?), beer is the trickiest thing to ferment besides maybe cheese and chocolate. Regardless, brewing equipment is fairly cheap and apple juice usually isn't hard to find.
Growing beans in general are a good idea, it's nutritious food.
brewing beer isnt that hard, growing the barley is harder than making beer.
Apple juice isnt super save, premade juices can contain alot of methanol after fermenting.
making beers is just knowing what to do, loads of videos of brewing beer. roasting the barley and malting it is somewhat harder, but australia is a great place to do that, in the outback atleast, very dry so you can regulate the mnoisture
>Why aren't you growing your own food, Sup Forums?
Because if I compare the time I have to invest into my job to be able to buy a week's worth of food, and then the time I would have to invest into growing a week's worth of food, the comparison does really not speak in favor of growing it myself.
I do grow some strawberries and so on, but that's just for fun and nothing that could sustain me.
potatoe vodka is shit tier, for australia is best to grow grapes, they'll do quite well there and wine is easy to make and tastier