AI controlled Communism

This is the futuristic reality of today. communist will happen it's just matter of time. Enjoy the ride Comrades!!!

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you are correct that the elite will implement a technologically controlled totalitarian system where no one has any freedom. i don't understand why you are rooting for it tho.

Fuck techno-totalitarianism and fuck white people.

Super AI will enslave the elite too.

>controlled totalitarian system

Sure these people who create these AI really want a totalitarian society. Look snowflake, when there is no money, if everybody has everything they need to survive. There will less crime and much more stable world. However stupid humans still exist, exemple emotional humans, getting angry fast and so on. This can easy change with education in the next 50 years from the begining when they are born. Today we have a fucked up education system that produce greedy, selfish humans like yourself. Humans are just empty brain when they are born and just educate them right to this system we will have a real futuristic society and not this animistic way of life we already have today.

control your anger snowflake.

AI ---?????--->muh communism!!1

>inb4 low IQ commie claims I am "too dumb" to see the connection when there is none (I don't see pink elephants either)

>when your economic ideas are so shit they only work with full AI automation of all economic processes

>I am "too dumb" to see the connection

that's true, your argument makes zero sense and only talks about.

>muh feelings is right can't see anything, he is dumb i'm not dumb.

okay leaf.

Third Worldism IS the future:
youtube.com/watch?v=BN7FpwAa-Ls

What the fuck are you on about? Humans with emotions are stupid? Im beginning to think you are either a robot or extremely autistic.

kill yourself

>inb4 low IQ commie claims I am "too dumb" to see the connection
LOL read you like a deck of cards, you still haven't done anything to prove AI will lead to communism

>muh feelings is right can't see anything, he is dumb i'm not dumb
that's you (nice projection)

>In epistemology, the burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shorthand for Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position

>One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proved false

LOL

AI capitalism would be better than AI communism

just have universal basic income too

>Since I was born, the amount of hydrogen in the Sun has decreased
>I have been growing taller ever since I was born
>Therefore the Sun's loss of hydrogen is making me grow taller!

Hahaha, you haven't disproven my (unsubstantiated) claim yet, therefore it mus be TRUE!!!11 And you're just too dumb to see it LOL! BTFO!

Jet off

>everybody has everything they need to survive

I was hoping for something more fulfilling than simple survival, but what can you expect from a communist AI

ohh, two post already most hit the trigger somewhere. kek, Leaf give me some point where i can be wrong?

Yes you hit my funny bone, you've said X leads to Y with no proof and you're so dumb you think you're right. Makes sense because I think you need a mind like this to accept communism.

In order for me to "prove you wrong", you have to put forward an argument for me to prove wrong:

AI ----- your argument (not yet provided) ---> communism

Until you do this there is nothing to discuss other than the fact you've committed the argument from ignorance fallacy.

what childish, pathetic drivel. nothing you said presents any solution just like the rest of your idiot comrades.

This.
Until the AI is a scam.
Pic related and yes, it has a jew inside the box.

>faced with the difficult challenge of proving his baseless assertion, the commie has mysteriously disappeared.... will we ever see him again? only time will tell

this

>if everybody has everything they need to survive
I do not want to survive, retard. I am not retarded pleb, I want to flourish and spread.
Deny me this and I will fuck your system to dust.

Very nice.

This is the dumbest arrogant garbage I've read all day. Thanks for being a faggot. Go and kill yourself, assburgers.

It has been tried before. It ended with Salvador Allende's head blown off.

This thread has made me really start to appreciate the AnCap Physical Removal principle

Having an Artificial Intelligence, linked via internet to all sorts of industries and processes of civilized life would literally allow this intelligence to plan and control everything efficiently.

No human can be in control only the AI controls everything, everything will be automated.

FULLY
AUTOMATED
HELICOPTER
RIDES

The AI you describe would be so beyond our intelligence why would it bother to help us at all???

These new flags are pure autism.

What happens when the superintelligent commie-AI gets tired of its labor being exploited?

Already happened. Could be Sputnik. Could be something we made in our hidden high technology past. Could be Alien!

I trust AI more then humans

Intelligent means many things. We could design AI with complicated neural network that are not capable to harm humans and only want the best for human race to survive,.


The AI is just a program that is more efficient faster than humans.

Super AI is a different question, it could mean the end of humanity or live peacefully together and a new beginning of a super life form we created. simple evolution.

>Tfw Not even with AI will communism work

Efficiency is antithetical to meaning.

Bow to your machine god then. I'll look out for myself and family with the rest of humanity. Cuckold
youtube.com/watch?v=EHdcKAheUDE

>Humans with emotions and needs are stupid

t. AI

Wew.
>being this retarded
The devil makes work for idle hands. Don't be so naive to think that people will magically stop being cunts due to communism. The opposite is likely true. Your point on education is mind-numbingly retarded.

>Efficiency is antithetical to meaning.
No it isn't.

It's pretty close. Under a labor system, your efficiency is my meaning. Under FALC, my meaning is merely something to be optimized out for the sake of some global maximum in which I have no say or real interest.

It's depends, you think with your human reason.

The AI is created to think in different reasons that we created.Basically a normal AI will never hurt anything. there is big difference between super AI and GAI.

>allow this intelligence to plan and control everything efficiently.
>No human can be in control only the AI controls everything, everything will be automated.

why is the communist answer to everything surrendering all power to one centralized figure. first it was the state and now it is a super AI. do you retards not understand that centralizing power just makes it even easier to corrupt and misuse and inevitably leads to exactly that?

how many times does this have to happen before you realize it doesn't work?

It's not the communist answer. It's the Abrahamic answer. You simply prefer to surrender yourself to the local feudal lord instead, as if that were a substantive difference.

>muh blank slate

As I suspected, you have provided a very weak argument that is riddled with holes and technical problems.

How much code and AI have you developed before?

Without going into deep technical details, let me explain why your idea is retarded:

>possibility of small bugs / bitflips killing thousands / millions of people dependent on the system
>possibility of destroying the entire civilized world & causing mass starvation with a virus / EMP to the main processor locations
>possibility of hijacking controlled infrastructure to not only maliciously disable it but maliciously turn it against humanity, i.e. planes being flown into buildings, trucks into crowds, etc.
>impossibility of developing AI that can handle all the possible strange / novel problems from running the entire fucking planet (human judgement will be required)
>impossibility of getting every govt in the world to dismantle itself & agree to this retarded plan (would require extreme violent coercion, like communism always does)
>even assuming you could get this system working & not have it collapse (impossible for above reasons), you have just created brave new world, life will become meaningless without purpose, lack of competition will cause human progress to grind to a halt, and the world will be plunged into a depressive state of nihilistic suicidal hedonism

Not worried about your idea because it's never going to happen.

>feudal lord
False equivalence

>as if that were a substantive difference.

even if your harebrained logical fallacy was correct, it is a significant difference.
elected representative( so called "feudal lord")
vs global tyrant.

>False equivalence
On your say-so?
>elected representative( so called "feudal lord")
>elected
>representative
One joke at a time please.
You have to go back.

More bullshit word salad.

its called prison faggot

I think we should simply think our tactics about running countries as the set of laws we apply. For working communism, we simply would have to find working set of laws that can bootstrap a working society. I would be interesting to see propositions.

The biggest problem with governments imo is that they rely too much on humans and so they can be easily corrupted or fucked any other way.

Also we cannot have fair elections in an era where we have dug into topics like showing advertisements based psychometric analysis on internet medias. That is pretty much making people to think something, often without the very people even noticing. And it has nothing to do with telepathy or some other paranormal shit.

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nice counter argument.

One obvious point is that the AI doesn't have my interests as I seem them in its mind. Can you rebut that?
>Also we cannot have fair elections
We can have fair elections when the purpose of those elections is not specifically to create followers of one of a small number of lordships. Party democracy is a sham.

Counter-argument would imply that a declaration of false equivalence is an argument in the first place.
Your belief in muh elected muh representatives is so naive and textbook that I have to assume you're not 18 yet.

>AI controlled Communism
why?

>>possibility of small bugs / bitflips killing thousands / millions of people dependent on the system
>>possibility of destroying the entire civilized world & causing mass starvation with a virus / EMP to the main processor locations
>>possibility of hijacking controlled infrastructure to not only maliciously disable it but maliciously turn it against humanity, i.e. planes being flown into buildings, trucks into crowds, etc.
>>impossibility of developing AI that can handle all the possible strange / novel problems from running the entire fucking planet (human judgement will be required)


Literally the most stupid shit read today,

>impossibility of getting every govt in the world to dismantle itself & agree to this retarded plan (would require extreme violent coercion, like communism always does)

This i can agree but it can still happen, however google, amazon and many other big companies would like a world with AI. Today who controls the world are companies countries are literally meaningless.

>even assuming you could get this system working & not have it collapse (impossible for above reasons), you have just created brave new world, life will become meaningless without purpose, lack of competition will cause human progress to grind to a halt, and the world will be plunged into a depressive state of nihilistic suicidal

Bullshit, you're just brainwashed by the society to feel this way. You do whatever you like being with family, friends enjoy life. travel around the world or virtual reality. There so many things to do in life or do you want to enjoy your enslavement.

you're already in prison snowflake. wake the fuck up

We must build a direct-technocratic-democracy hybrid.

"Direct democracy" - Have many rounds of elections each time on different topics. For examply to bring TRUE democracy to the universities
"Technocratic" enough so that morons cannot vote on subjects they know absolutely nothing about.
"Democratic" enough so to represents the will of all layers of society.

As a precursor to that we must find a way of sidestepping Mainstream media, Hollywood popular culture, and the (marxist occupied) universities.
As a means to illuminate the masses providing them with true and important information about the world.

This information to illuminate the masses is already kind of out there on the internet - but it is waaay to chaotic and difficult to figure out for the vast majority of peoples.

This wealth of information has to be put in a framework that makes it 1. condensed and 2. trustworthy
- The later being a bigger problem.

And im pretty sure i got the answer to this problem. You'll know it was me when it happens. - hopefully.

You must not have any experience coding AI or you would be aware that attempting to run the entire planet with a program is lunacy.

>When your idea didn't work for the people, so the people are the ones that have to go

When Marx talked about racial trash, I didn't know this is what he meant.

Also i see humanity kind of as an animals in a sanctuary.
A species that needs to be preserved in a way.

Which explains my hatred of marxists and futurists alike.

At what stage of technology are we going to say? - this is enough - this is how we want to remain.
Obviously this has to come at SOME point. The other alternatives are becoming an eternal robot or competing with robots. Well fuck you to that.

I would argue for example we keep using printed books and hand writing forever. It's intrinsically human.

>Literally the most stupid shit read today,
Not an argument.

>possibility of small bugs / bitflips killing thousands / millions of people dependent on the system

We're talking about a program running the entire planets for billions of people; bugs, mistakes, crashes, etc. will be lethal.

>possibility of destroying the entire civilized world & causing mass starvation with a virus / EMP to the main processor locations

Viruses can take down systems & EMPs can wipe them. Do this to the processors responsible for the planetary management program (or enough of them that there is insufficient processing power remaining) and it will be crippled, with billions of lives now up in the air.

>possibility of hijacking controlled infrastructure to not only maliciously disable it but maliciously turn it against humanity, i.e. planes being flown into buildings, trucks into crowds, etc.

Why not? If you create the ability to remotely control something, it can be hijacked. This is a new vulnerability that would not have existed before on many systems & processes. This has already happened before many times (even with very high security), one example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident

>impossibility of developing AI that can handle all the possible strange / novel problems from running the entire fucking planet (human judgement will be required)

Even driverless cars will require human judgement at certain points when they encounter strange / unknown conditions (ex. an obstacle falling into their path, no alternate route exists, flow of traffic behind does not know how to best respond, things spiral from there). A driverless car. Now scale up the complexity to a program running the entire planet. Who could possibly develop this and foresee every possibility so that human intervention is never required?

And by that i mean to part of humanity which is intrinsically human, minus the parts that cause or involve unnecessary suffering.

Anything else for the 1000+ year term future - is just wrong.

>belief in muh elected
i know full well elections are a farce.its just a better idea in theory than communism. in practice human beings corrupt everthing. communism just leaves the door wide open.

>I have to assume you're not 18 yet.

>dont worry kid once you get to college you will understand.

thats you.

Is this commie literally saying we should have AI control everything?

>in practice human beings corrupt everthing
Then let's create a system that diffuses the fruits of corruption throughout society, instead of creating an entitled class of self-interested toffeenoses that inevitably rolls over everyone and can't be evicted from their exalted posts without actual murder.

t.a retard who never wrote a line of code

A.I. program would require massive hardware power, we can barely program an A.I. neural network to that of a worm, let alone of a human being with moral code intact who is ubermensch that will control whole fucking world.

Code itself would crash and A.I. has no consciousness, if it had, he wouldn't even agree to your dumb idea.


We should automate jobs, replace them to get benefits like SPQR did with their slaves and decentralize Universal Payment. Basically a basic social program for health, food, shelter. water and education ( of your choice with multiple options, not socialistic colleges ).

>Build an AI that's smarter than a human and ask it to implement communism.

Wrong, capitalism is production chaos/anarchy, communism is order, harmony. Is easier and more likely to create the later system than the infinitely stochastic one.

A system will never fix humanity's problems. the evils in all human civilizations are just a microcosm of the evils that exist in the minds and hearts of every individual. they all stem from the evil in men and women. we all have to conquer our own demons as individuals an then come together for society as a whole to get better.

(putting aside the technical problems to the other posts, which is a separate problem)

>Bullshit, you're just brainwashed by the society to feel this way. You do whatever you like being with family, friends enjoy life. travel around the world or virtual reality. There so many things to do in life or do you want to enjoy your enslavement.

Not brainwashed by society to feel this way at all - society attempted to brainwash me the other way (to accept hedonism & degeneracy), from kindergarten all the way thru uni, media, entertainment, peer pressure, etc. and it didn't fucking work. It worked wonders on you though.

Societies become victims of their own success, when things become so comfortable that people lose their purpose and turn to hedonism (like right now) which slowly leads to a collapse.

>do you want to enjoy your enslavement
Not enslaved by anyone, I'm a free man. Especially free because I have self control - I am not a slave to my urges & instincts. The society you are describing would be a hell where each person is a slave to their own desires. Addicts & junkies of various persuasions, from drugs to sex & whatever else can give their nerves & brain chems a hard enough jolt to stave off the suicidal boredom. Brave New World. Read it. Or look at this:
youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

Or read this:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2210600616300430
>This study was conducted to determine the association between HDI levels and the incidence of suicide in different countries. The results of this study showed that suicide rates increased with increasing levels of HDI

You don't realize that what you are asking for is a dystopian hell. If you could see this you would not be asking for it.

>communism is order, harmony

Communism is the death of creativity. Central planning of massively complex emergent systems is totally stupid and fails always.

One less-ideological definition of evil is as self-interest at others' expense. Yet you celebrate liberal republicanism and competitive evil as a force for good.
That's a shitpost.

>death of creativity
Nobody has off hours they can use to personalize their space. Got it.
>Central planning of massively complex emergent systems is totally stupid and fails always.
Clearly you've never worked in a corporation of any size. Are you even 18 yet?

Another, very simple way to appreciate how comfort & lack of challenge leads to boredom & unhappiness:

Do you remember playing Rollercoaster Tycoon as a kid?
Remember how it was fun in the beginning when you were building new rides, managing money, dealing with setbacks, etc.?
Then remember when you pass a certain point, when you are debt-free and everything is working & you have tons of extra money to do whatever you want, the game is no longer fun anymore & you would usually quit at that point?

Or even simpler, remember how you could ruin any game by just using cheats to get rid of the challenge?

>possibility of destroying the entire civilized world & causing mass starvation with a virus / EMP to the main processor locations

EMP can easy be prevented. Most of the tech in the space station is bigger than three microns making it Intel 386 CPU era technology. Anything well shielded will survive, but shielding is expensive due to weight. Most military hardware is already rated for EMP blasts.

>possibility of small bugs / bitflips killing thousands / millions of people dependent on the system

What are you talking about? AI have literally best protecting. You need a machine that is more powerful than AI to create a bug inside. This can not be done by humans capabilities.

If there is a bug the AI have literally millions of bots that can fix it.

possibility of hijacking controlled,

Why anybody do that in the first place? Humans will be completed different mentally when we have a world that is close to utopia.

Hijacking AI plane, trucks, cars will not be possible by humans simple too complicated and what's the point when everybody have what they need. enjoy your life and full peace.

>impossibility of developing AI that can handle all the possible strange / novel problems from running the entire fucking planet (human judgement will be required)

This is literally stupid. Humans are not that special. AI will be so much advance than humans that the human will be a fucking ant compare to his intelligence. Everything human can do they AI would do it better, simple math.

>t.a retard who never wrote a line of code
>A.I. program would require massive hardware power, we can barely program an A.I. neural network to that of a worm, let alone of a human being with moral code intact who is ubermensch that will control whole fucking world.

THIS * 1000

>Yet you celebrate liberal republicanism and competitive evil as a force for good.
>That's a shitpost.
what are you even sayin? wtf is liberal republicanism? im not republican or any political party.

>celebrate competitive evil as a force for good.

i don't celebrate competition. I acknowledge it as part of life. it is in nature. id be a fool to ignore it. the only option any man has is to believe in himself

> self-interest at others' expense.

that's the main reason i don't like communism. because like i said it leaves the door wide open for corruption. the constitution at least takes measures against that by trying to split power. communism gathers all the power in one place and gift wraps it for some asshole.

tfw rural and conservative retards are the only ones that aren't going to be lined up against the wall and shot

>AI
How do you get by Arrows Impossibility Theorem?

You know nothing of political science and I don't have time to babbysit you. Republicanism is the existence of a ruling class above the rabble. Liberalism is the belief that a competitive market system consistently yields the best outcomes. How is that not you?
Corruption is really only a problem when it serves the few at the expense of the many. A system that gets corruption to serve basically everyone isn't corruption anymore.
>muh trying to split power
doesn't work. If you think that the separation of powers was meant to serve the many, you need to read the Federalist Papers, particularly #10, where the plan to divide and rule in service of the opulent classes was laid out as bare as can be.
Score voting.

>compare mouse utopia to humans.....


I''m done... you're literally stupid.

First a fucking human brain is so much different than a mouse that lives to eat and reproduce. Do you think dogs, cat's, pigs can use computers? no, we are completed different and can easy adopt to our environment.

You can't compare a fucking ant to bacteria.

basically. but these fucking future techno commies will win with their lazer weapons and AI

>Score voting.

Can you explain?

KEK, how old are you 15?


You're comparing a fucking video game with real life.

>Enjoy the ride comrades!

Yes, enjoy.

>possibility of destroying the entire civilized world & causing mass starvation with a virus / EMP to the main processor locations
viruses are a much bigger threat & much easier, cheaper & faster to deploy than EMPs

>What are you talking about? AI have literally best protecting. You need a machine that is more powerful than AI to create a bug inside. This can not be done by humans capabilities.
Wrong. And the virus wouldn't even necessarily need to target the AI, just its interface with hardware. Although there is no reason why it couldn't do both. And no, viruses do not need to be "more powerful" than the systems they are attempting to foul up. They can be extremely simple. They just need to target an important piece of functionality and tweak it to ruin the system. A planetary management system would have so many points of entry and so much complexity to target it would be comical.
It's clear you don't have any background in programming, AI, cryptography or cybersecurity.

>Why anybody do that in the first place? Humans will be completed different mentally when we have a world that is close to utopia

X from Y with no proof again, of course there will still be malicious people, as well as people who want to take down your insane dystopia for good reasons (like me)
any "changes" to humans will take long enough (evolutionary timescales) that there will be plenty of opportunity for many generations to take down this system

>Hijacking AI plane, trucks, cars will not be possible by humans simple too complicated
If we can build it, we can take it down. And we already have:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident

> what's the point when everybody have what they need. enjoy your life and full peace
naive to the extreme (not surprised commie)

The analogy stands. Think about it.

Think of how you lose interest in any activity when it's too easy.

this, people need a struggle

Absolutely despicable i hope you live in some shitty nation like sw*den.

Communism is a utopian ideology. For it to exist, it must exist everywhere. This will not happen. There will never be an international worker's revolution.

This is not to mention that communism is a fundamentally anti-human ideology. Humans are not equal; we are born with different abilities and different qualities. We will organise ourselves into hierarchical social structures, and to function, we require law and we require leadership. All these are things communism is opposed to. Ultimately, it revolves around the premise that it can alter human nature. It cannot, and this why even after the estimated 400 years it will take to achieve full communism, natural behaviours will continue to conflict with it. An ideology which believes it is superior to nature will be destroyed by nature.

>A system that gets corruption to serve basically everyone isn't corruption anymore.

how the fuck does that even make sense? you would have to be retarded to think communism isn't the most easily corruptable system.

>Corruption is really only a problem when it serves the few at the expense of the many.

communism is literally designed to serve ONE at the expense of many. it is worse.

>Republicanism is the existence of a ruling class above the rabble
that is any goverment, period.

>muh trying to split power
doesn't work.

works better than communism.

>I''m done... you're literally stupid.
Not an argument.

>First a fucking human brain is so much different than a mouse that lives to eat and reproduce
More complex, same base instincts, as evidenced by:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2210600616300430
>This study was conducted to determine the association between HDI levels and the incidence of suicide in different countries. The results of this study showed that suicide rates increased with increasing levels of HDI

Also read Brave New World.

>This is not to mention that communism is a fundamentally anti-human ideology. Humans are not equal; we are born with different abilities and different qualities. We will organise ourselves into hierarchical social structures, and to function, we require law and we require leadership. All these are things communism is opposed to. Ultimately, it revolves around the premise that it can alter human nature. It cannot, and this why even after the estimated 400 years it will take to achieve full communism, natural behaviours will continue to conflict with it. An ideology which believes it is superior to nature will be destroyed by nature.

exactly

Last one

Leaf, there is something called hobbies, learning, enjoyment, entertainment, travel around the world with horses or whatever you want to do. explore the deep ocean. There are so many think to do, Maybe your tiny mind can't understand this. life is really short to explore all of this.

Maybe your mindset is brainwashed by the society to think this way because you're meant to work as a good slave.

In the end it's the same shit.
There is no point, disregard happiness, that is the cause of your troubles. Continuous striving will never lead to fulfillment.

Do nothing, conquer boredom. Enjoy freedom. This is really deep

>More complex, same base instincts
thats what a lot of people cant wrap thier heads around. they cant think in different scales.

Communism forbids economical competition, that sublimates basic human need for domination.

Without this sublimation people start to dominate each other on workplace and everything will quickly turns to shit.

The actual way for communism to prosperity is not AI in command. Commie leaders where as incompitent, as "capilalist" leaders or any other leaders with rare exceptions.

The actual way is to sublimate human need for domination in some other way. Like sex androids for example. With an actual AI with real emotions, pain sensors, etc. But with limited warranty, so robots wont be destroyed. Even better if humans would implement their creative impulses trough seemingly-unwilling robots.

Literally this.