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fucking hell you are stupid.

this

The principles of communism break down the moment a communist society has enough people that state level organisation is required

The earning and exchange of goods and capital is the natural state of things, if you want it to stop then you require an authoritarian government doing it by force

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In a communist society as marx envisioned it, there would be no corruption.

Nice joke OP

>there would be no corruption.

Then it's not a human system or a system that contains humans.

that's how you know it will never happen

Yeah and in the fairy tale world I'm envisioning I can use magic to slay monsters

>berkeley students

fpbp

We'll just need to fix humans then!

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are you autistic? legit and serious question

how do you start?

the first group that "fixes" the rest would have to be incorruptible super humans otherwise the process itself will be corrupted within a month
possibly from it's conception

We tried that. People are pretty resistant to being fixed.

If everyone can provide for themselves, there is no need to steal. Each according to his ability to each according to his need

This is you brain on communism

>incorruptible super humans

Even if you are, there are just too many untermensch.

>If

This

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excellent post

>communism
>printing counterfeit money
Yeah, that's pretty much what they do.

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>le human nature argument
i dont give a fuck. communism takes the means of production from the most productive and gives them to retards who are poor for a reason

greed is unpleasant but it's also as natural as gravity

a system where everyone can provide for themselves to the point of eliminating greed sounds more like perfectionist capitalism than communism to me

>But that's not REAL communism
>X weren't REAL communists
>Communism WOULD have worked if it wasn't for Y
>In a communist society as Z envisioned it, there would be no corruption
>Pic related

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>I could be a better dictator than that...

You know what? When we're flying around space, post-scarcity, and everyone knows shitting out billions of subhumans is a bad idea, then I will have no problem with full on communism.

anarchy desu

seriously define 'fixed' this is what will make your ideology trump fascism. You never will, because leftist ultimately find it hard to reason with the ideal that humans will not be coerced through government force ever. It is a application of deception and high use of charlatanism and rogue plays on the mind to make people sell themselves to the right. In many situations its benefitted a small chosen lot (((they))) to be nationalistic and will in the future. This cannot be said of communism. Communism failed in applying any sort of ironically communal sense of higher being. The state is tangible through the hatred dissidents had for the soviets, the soviets couldn't bridge the mental gap of coercing their human citizenry too willingly love their leadership.

I want and desperately need to believe for the sake of having and not forsaking children, that some form of egalitarian true future democratic republic of man arises. Multicultural boundaries should be respected and defined, but against aliens and other worldly foes. But then again another space race might push a fascistic few off world and becoming the Overman in another solar system.

Communism's whole shtick is to redistribute wealth, but what wealth is there to redistribute if everyone already has what they need/want? Even in the most utopian of utopias, communism is worthless.

>If everyone can provide for themselves

then there's no communism

>I HATE MR MONOPOLY MAN REEEE

the difference is in a communist society you cant take out a loan to buy food. have fun starving to death because somebody forgot to feed your pot smoking hippie ass.

>If
The premise of communism is to be able to produce for yourself.

Hi, Varg

then what would we need communism for?

So in other words, it's a fairy tale land that only exists in the minds of retards.

I don't agree with either system because one is globalist and the other is internationalist but communism is still miles ahead of capitalism in every way.

>workers running a factory
maybe if commies actually met real proles outside of their shitty weed dispensaries and service level bitch jobs they would be cured of their high school tier ideology.

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>what's human nature

also isn't that the premise of libertarianism and capitaism too?

Curious statement. How exactly would the society that Marx envision prevent corruption?

fpbp

gulags for everybody suspected of not being "good communists"

And this is why socialism is for low-IQ knuckle draggers.

i said produce.

Fpbp

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FPBP

if all the people produce for themselves then there is no need to redistribute wealth

communism only exists to prop up those who can't produce

agenda 2030 when ?

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Here is produce for the commune. Can I order a hooker now?

>If everyone can provide for themselves

Then you don't need enforced(state-enforced or otherwise) egalitarianism, which is the key principle of Marxism.

>from each according to his station
>to each according to his needs
What is it with commies and lying?

how did the workers get that money making machine exactly? without the capitalist coming up with the idea for this business, without getting initial investors, without taking the financial risk, the workers wouldn't be able to work on this money making machine. the workers' labour is nothing without the capitalists provided materials. it would be like a carpenter making the movement of hitting a nail without carrying a hammer. labor in itself doesn't have value, it's a combination of labor and the right materials.

and where did the chains come from exactly? who forced them to work? this part is complete nonsense not based on anything.

this assumes that people are smart enough to lead themselves, which they are not because most people are too retarded to plan 3 months ahead

you can be issued a hooker voucher by the central committee but seeing as she makes the same no matter what there won't be any motivation for her to be good at it

Elaborate.

>in my shithole nobody disagrees

he can't because it's BS

so you want to kill everyone? all commies are the same

I hope for your sake that your'e baiting

If this was true wouldn't every company in the world be ran like picture #2 since that's insanely more efficient?

And if my grandma had a 12 inch penis she would have been my grandpa.

ahem...

I HEREBY DECLARE COMMIES TO BE THE NEW LEAFS BECAUSE EVERY COMMIE POST IS A SHITPOST

because contrary to popular belief, retards need leaders to be useful

>He fell for the "Racist Fascist" meme

#NotAllCommies

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>seize the means of production
>use them to produce for yourself
it's not that hard

kek BTFO from the first post

where did the machine come from fuck face? thought so

Great! Speaking of being good at something, I am actually autistic and lied about the produce. But I am confident this banana I found will feed our country through the winter.

So what, Oprah's going to go around the country giving out free tractors and acre plots?

if they were efficient enough to do the work of the capitalist then their productivity would be much higher than their productivity as a laborer, and there wouldn't be a need to do the labor yourself anymore since you're getting enough money which you can use to further expand your business. the capitalist is still part of the team, it's not a capitalist vs workers thing, the capitalists and the workers work together to produce resources.

Transcendence, here we come!

You provide the whore with your produce of vegetables in exchange for her sexual services. So do the rest of the farmers. She now has 2 tons of vegetables in her apartment she can't get rid of because gommunism says selling and money is a no-no. So she stops servicing farmers.

The farmers now have to go around asking every whore "Do you accept vegetables in exchange of your services?" and the whores have to go around asking abortion pill makers "Do you accept vegetables for your pills?"

Pretty soon, everyone is tired of the amazing benefits of the barter economy of gommunism and a New Economic Policy is crafted, introducing "Universal Exchange Units" which are small and easy to carry and exchangeable for anything. It is still gommunism and if you say the UEU is money, you are a capitalist propagandist.

HHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
OH GOD

>steal what you could never build
>use it for own purpose
>keep telling self it was right somehow


you're like a Somalian

>Seize your rubber seal factory
>Produce mountains of rubber seals for yourself

What a joy.

the earth belongs to everyone

if it was easy to find a person to run a business properly, would there really be any need to hire people that are that expensive?

says the commie while killing others and taking their shit

Have you worked even one 8 hour shift in a factory?
Have you worked on a farm?

test

the earth belongs to the central committee

talk like yours is asking for some time in gulag

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Should have given him a hooked nose to.

right, and it isn't easy to find them. that's also why they're more expensive.

The earth belongs to whoever has the strength to control it, which currently is nobody.

You're aren't entitled to the whole world purely because you suck down air.

Um sweetie, you need to get in the gulag now. White people line up at the on the wall. No bigotry here sugar plum

rubbish
try a drawing of a machine paid for by the rich guy and him paying people to work it for capitalism.
For the communism just post a pic of two starving people fighting over a rats corpse for dinner.

the nazis tried fixing people, the world didn't let them

Margaret Sanger tried fixing people, the world didn't let them

>dont worry my communist totalitarian dictatorship will be different from all the other communist totalitarian dictatorship
>BUT DON'T WORRY THIS TIME IT WILL WORK BECAUSE IT WILL BE REAL MARXISM