IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM YOU WON'T NEED TO PLAY SIMS TO HAVE A HOUSE, THE STATE WILL GRANT YOU SHELTER.
IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM YOU WON'T NEED TO MAKE YOUR FRIEND DRESS AS A GIRL SO YOU CAN HAVE SEX. WOMEN WILL LOOK AT YOU BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE A JOB AND A POSITION IN SOCIETY, TWO THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM RICH GUYS WON'T BE ABLE TO KEK YOU FOR MONEY, AND YOU WON'T LOOK AT KEK PORN TO LIVE THE FANTASY OF HAVING A WIFE. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A WIFE.
AND SHO ON
Last time I checked project and commie blocks were pretty shitty.
Thanks but no thanks
sorry not sorry, i need a wife to fuck HARD
Every nation that tried glorious communism has failed.
Next thread please
>IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM
you will starve in the streets as your countries wealth is plundered by jews.
Fucking leaf
*SNIFF*
>get a job right now
>patiently wait for future wife to finish with cock carousel
>zero impetus for her to settle down, chad gets her young and eager
>finally marry wife
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of sex anymore so 80% chance of sex life fizzling out as she starts daydreaming about Chad again
>only advice is to be more chadlike to secure pussy
>constant competitive nature with other men inspires hostility and lack of cooperation whether succeed to chad up or not
>workplace is demoralizing for the same reason
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of fidelity anymore so wife starts cheating fearing 0 repercussions
>institution of marriage is not a guarantee of loyalty anymore so wife divorces and has life supported by me/the system
>some commie sells me the cause by the availability of loyal pussy which, fair, is perfectly legitimate compulsion for male investment
Now how does your ideology, especially in its current state today with its current agitators who are very pro SocJus, resolve the above problems?
>uses this strawman
White Nationalism has failed. Next thread please.
Why would I expect nothing less than a brazen IDPol to believe any different.
But communism doesn't work.
>blaming Communism for SocJus
Blame Liberals like that of yours in your Kekistan and Peterson faggotry. We were popular in 2006-2008, and along came the IDpol faggots pretending their identity matters.
They tainted and corrupted our movement, but now the AltRight is willing to take them, we can finally discuss actual politics.
>says suburban wageslave
Fascists have lost every single war they've been involved in.
>tfw the shitty flags like LGBT and Commie instantly out the person as a leaf
its almost too easy
>says suburban rich kid
Alright you're getting somewhere with me.
But I want to be clear on this.
Under your Communism, once I've married my wife, she is not allowed to leave me except in extreme circumstances, there are harsh legal penalties for infidelity, and she can't refuse to have sex with me except in extreme circumstances, is that what you are saying?
My point goes out to every ideology who wants to chime in. I am the average frustrated chump. My labour is on sale for guaranteed pussy. I will fight with my dick. Does your ideology have a vector of the sort that the traditional marriage and surrounding institutions provided?
Any centralized point of wealth distribution will become corrupt and self serving.
The purpose of capitalism is not to create profits. The purpose of capitalism is to have a system of wealth distribution that isn't controlled by government.
Sure , every single little fact is a strawman.
Im literally a guy that fucking lived in communistic country (yugoslavia) . You think it's cool ? You working your ass off for the good of your people but you are sharing your home with jobless gypsies and niggers who are (((equal))) to you. You edgelord antifats who think its cool should fuck off , you never experienced it the first place.
I know that you're mentally reateded but seriously bro, if you're not getting laid now, communism won't help you. The girls would just go after the more attractive men, just like now (all genetics are not equal) probably better off to just commit suicide now
Communism would work if *I* were in charge.
Women from communist countries typically are far better looking than from capitalist ones
>socialism promotes survival of the fittest
>capitalism promotes survival of the richest
>system of wealth distribution that isn't controlled by government
but is controlled by banks and so, that's what you were trying to say right?
IN GLORIOUS COMMUNISM YOU WON'T NEED ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU'LL DIE OF STARVATION OR BE EXECUTED WHEN YOUR NEIGHBOR RATS ON YOU
CHECKMATE CAPITALISTS
Not everyone who opposes your views is a fash. Invalid argument . try again.
Reminder that Zizek is a crypto-fascist who endorsed Trump and plagiarizes articles from Amren.
>Thinking that just because your country called itself communist, it actually was
Communism and the state are incompatible, friendo
of course comrade
we can't say "our ego doesn't matter let's all live for the common good"
our ego does matter
YOU MATTER
I MATTER
WE ALL MATTER
that's why we work for the common good
we are ego's
nothing more than that
nothing less than that
YOU WILL MAKE COMMUNISM WORK
FOR YOURSELF
>have all this stuff
>except food or guns
stfu faggit
If you ever feel bad, remind yourself you will never be a unironic lefty/pol/ user
You want a communist success story? Look at sub-saharan Africa, its communal tribalism is literally what Communism seeks as its end goal, commies have just deluded themselves into thinking somehow in their version everyone would live in modernity rather than leaving everyone in the burned out husks of the dreams of prideful civilizations.
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And yet here you are being a facist faggot, which is an equaly bad ideology
Put it this way, modern day capitalism isn't working for anyone but a handful of Jews.
>same as USSR communism
He didn't say anything about fascism though. Why are communists all this bad at reading comprehension? Does communism just attract really stupid people? I guess you do have to be pretty stupid to actually believe that human nature will ever allow a system like communism to ever function though. At least it does a good job of killing communists.
yeah because they have to wait in lines to get food and if the local commune shop runs out your cooking your leather shoe for dinner
this is not a good thing
>You want a communist success story? Look at sub-saharan Africa
It doesn't appear you and I gauge success the same way.
and i want the government controlling every aspect of my life because...
How many communist countries are even left?
and i believe govt can solve all problems efficiently because..
He's got a white supremacist flag. Hell of a lot of overlap between white supremacy and fascism.
> Accusing communism of attracting idiots
> Using the meme-tier "human nature" argument
Are you even trying?
None ,because there where never and REAL communist countries ever
We all matter but if I had a family they'd matter most.
I want to work for a family. I want to work for my kids and for a wife I get to fuck whenever I want. I like my nation and I like humans, but I wouldn't really go out of my way for them. I cherish my community and its people, and I'd probably help do some public works stuff for them as like a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours.
I love and adore my family, I will perform excess labour every day I am alive to keep them happy and succeeding.
What are you going to do to get me to feel for the party what I feel for my family? Where will that come from?
>Not everyone who opposes your views is a fash. Invalid argument . try again.
communism is predicated on mass starvation.
Debate me, you will lose.
>He's got a white supremacist flag.
AND I'M A NAZI I SWEAR GUISE
yes idiots that believe govt can solve all their problems
> Thinking communism = state control of the economy
I know Sup Forums is a shithole of political illiteracy, but you guys always surprise me
>Where will that come from?
i'm working on making a communism that will accept cultures
not tolerate them
if you're an ISIS fag to the gulag
but you look like a good man to me
so i'll say this
i'll try to make a world where people like you can live happily
True , cause it only works in your brainless , lazy mind. Consider explaining a man that expereinced communism communism.
Communism is the ultimate form of societal cuckoldry where the state does everything for you and makes all your decisions, including wether you starve or not
>lazy mind
yeah Lenin was so fucking lazy he actually died from overthinking his ass to make one of the greatest nations in human history
>Debate me , you will lose
Bring it up b
communism: no free market, no incentive to work harder than your neighbour, no innovation, no competition.
all of the benefits you described above are also provided by a national socialist society, however a national socialist society will also allow for the best characteristics of a free market, innovative society to be ingrained as well.
socialism is the answer, just not marxist socialism.
But it is a story of communism being achieved, is that not success? The fact that it is the shittiest place in the world should be more of an indictment of successful communism rather than a view of it as a failure.
>legitimate arguments are strawmen
wew did you learn debate skills from youtube?
>Political illiteracy
That is why there are so many communist nations these days.
Capitalist problem
>everything is centralised in cities
>all opportunities, jobs and industry in a few small areas of a country.
>everyone piles into those areas creating stress on infrastructure and housing
>life is miserable and you live to work
>immigrants flood in and everything goes 100X worse
We need a completely decentralised structure to society. Seeing as we no longer have major manufacturing industries like 18th century cotton mills etc..that needed to be built along rivers so that water wheels could power them etc...there there is no legitimate reason why we still need cities.
There is no legitimate reason that most of a countries investment goes straight to supporting cities. Which are now basically parasitic states within states. Sucking dry resources and wealth from the wider society, whilst cramming ever more people in to shitter and shitter conditions.
Decentralisation of society and government is the way forward.
It's not a strawman. Every country that has tried communism has failed. Its simply stating a fact.
No that was George Washington.
>hurrrr duurrrr what is the war for independence
>ww1
>ww2
O'rly? this pic must really trigger you then
Fascism is hierarchy made political ideology. White over black, rich over poor, native over foreign, etc. Those benefits the OP mentioned would be provided in a fascist society, but only to those that aren't labelled undesirable or "degenerates."
And I don't know why you think that "socialism" as in "national socialism" means the same thing as regular socialism
Yes, because all the new meme flags are super serious.
> fundamental human psychological traits which are not compatible with idealist utopian babby dreams are just memes when it comes to implementing communism
With trainwreck logic like this, you only prove my point about communists being faux intellectual dumpster scrapings. Why don't you just starve yourself to death? It's the same end result and you don't have to larp as an antifa tranny to get there.
>We need a completely decentralised structure to society.
this
>no incentive to work harder than your neighbour
that's the world bank think tank talking through you. we don't need to work harder than our neighbour. the incentive to work is either the love of work or survival.
>Does communism just attract really stupid people?
yes. why would smart people contribute to an ineffective system?
Greatest country that lasted no more than 80 years. They were so great that they went into ww1 with torn clothes , broke guns and no shoes. They were so great that they let their people suffer in ww2 by their own hand. It's all great in your mind. But in practice , clueless people rise up and fuck their country up. Tell me more how great a country was with a man that killed over 75 million people on its top ?
or... live wherever you want but beware the pros and cons of every location... why is everything about forcing others to do what you want?
Okay, but even if we say I've gone and accepted other cultures, I'm still going to delegate them to my "nation/humanity" tier. Community tier at best, but that's still only a tiny little bit more labour that I'd give up for free.
When I do lots of free work for my family, it's to make them specifically do a lot better in life.
How are you going to make it so that I feel like doing that for the party? I want all of that work I do to be for my wife and kids because they're what's the most important to me. If I did extra work for the party, I'd still rather take home extra and bolster my family with it. What is going to make me stop wanting that?
> Calling me brainless when you don't know what communism is besides what you've been told it is
I'm with you OP, but no state.
I wouldn't call what they do communism. They just are, like open sores on a guy with AIDS.
>George Washington
the same one who didn't want the evil Empire to take the goods produced in a territory to leave its rightful owners and end up in the hands of fat bussinessmen across the sea
so as i
>They were so great that they went into ww1 with torn clothes
that was the Russian Empire, not the URSS
see what happened to Germany afterwards
Even if ''real communism'' worked (which only retards think is possible), it would only benefit the weak who don't have the willpower or attributes needed to be successful by their own merits
The strong will be held back by the weak who leech off of them.
That's why I hate welfare.
Left-wing intellectuals - Albert Camus, Jean-Paul Sartre, Karl Marx, Michel Foucault, Friedrich Engels, Franz Fanon, Theodor Adorno + Frankfurt School, and a shitload more
Right-wing intellectuals - the guy from Duck Dynasty
>Thinking that Women look good if they don't eat enough food
Go fuck some Africans then
Thinking doesn't count as work faggot
>it's another shitskins and darkies hide behind custom flags thread
This is why fascism is bullshit. You're willing to let people suffer and die because of some retarded sense of strength and entitlement over them
So everything we were told about communism is wrong? Like the fall of the USSR, East Germany, African nations, and so on and so on?
>calling you brainless because i've experienced communism first hand.
Life isnt what your boy Marx has written in the books
I'm doing well right now actually. Why would I voluntarily want to give up my freedom and wealth to the state, when there is no issue with my current living conditions?
>share all they produce among the tribe
>if they invest and produce something new they share it with their family even if it means no longer being able to afford to continue to make that new product
>share housing
>kill undesirables readily
I've missed a few things, but exactly how is it not communism?
yeah but i won't be labeled an undesirable or a degenerate, hopefully i will be a jack booted thug rounding up anti fa and anyone with pink or green hair.
>we don't need to work harder than our neighbour
if you live in a society where no one has incentive to work hard and you redistribute the wealth of all the hard working people, your shit will collapse as soon as the money runs out. happens every time "comrade".
>the weak who don't have the willpower or attributes needed to be successful by their own merits
so it would benefit you...
akshually, it wasn't real communism. let me tell you all about it from my white upper middle class suburb
>the commie won't even deny this
> left wing intellectuals
Yes. Marx etc were 'intellectuals'. Just like David Wolfe is a 'doctor'
Nah
Yes. The capitalist ruling class, especially in the United States, has plenty to gain by characterizing these Stalinist, authoritarian nations as "communist." There is no state in communism.
Sounds good. I have always wanted to be a helicopter pilot/HAOL/LAOL (high altitude off-loader/low altitude off-loader).
The government's generally force you to do what they want, no matter where you "chose" to live.
Plus decentralisation means everyone gets to have a better quality of life within the same country, without being "forced" to move to a city for work and career opportunities.
With automation and technology advances most people should be able to work shorter hours and from home. This would give everyone a better quality of life and things like housing would not only be cheaper but everyone would be more spread out and have much more space to live.
it does
administration is basically thinking
engineering is basically thinking
do you think what the fisiologists of the Renaissance did to unveil the misteries of the human body does not count as work?
oh for fucks sake with exception of the actual communists the others were anti-coms
Conservative intellectuals: Adam Smith, Keynes, Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Thomas Paine , John Locke
This is problem with colleges today they don't teach other side, people like you believe there are no thinkers who hold conservative positions.
So you strawman
You seriously saying that arguably the most influential philosopher of all time isn't an intellectual? Does he have to agree with you to be considered one or what?
>happens every time "comrade"
so let's think a society that won't fall, me and you, what do you say? ;)
We should do this to every commie
Germany were fighting on 2 fronts , russians did on one. What happened to glorious russia when russians started their advance up to moscow ? What was with their military power then ? And by the way , how the f did we end up debating ww2 from communism like war has some impact from ideologies. Russia nowadays is one of the strongest military forces in the world and isnt communistic . :thinking:
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So now communism doesn't have a state?
Hitler was one of the most influential leaders of all time. Does this make him right? Surely you would agree that he was correct if your appeal to authority is based on being 'influential'
he refers to socialism state of a communist society
after the classless society it comes the "Utopia" of a stateless society
it won't work since humans are assholes
we need a state, an administration to run things while other people enjoy life, but we also need a strong ethos to keep the administration from becoming a tyranny
It never has. The First International split in 1872 because the Marxists and anarchists agreed that the state should be abolished, but what they couldn't decide on was when. Marxists believe in establishing a workers' state that eventually dissolves, while anarchists want to do away with the state as soon as possible