Be honest Sup Forums, would Iran be able to sink a US aircraft carrier?

Be honest Sup Forums, would Iran be able to sink a US aircraft carrier?

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With some help, easy

Oh wew, no need to get mad, if they do sink it, you'll have 9 more you could use.

yes, supersonic anti ship missiles are a thing

It depends - does Iran have cargo ships of peace?

If they have a missile that can hit a moving ship at sea then they can sink any aircraft carrier.

well can you?
it's a real question

They have super sonic """torpedoes""" which are actually just missiles that travel just above the surface of the water which are buried across the Persian gulf to be used in this situation. Iran will lose a conventional war but the after war guerrilla fighting will be deadly and go for years. Think Afghanistan but 5 times the population actually armed with decent weapons.

The fighters can pop off outside of the range of those supersonic missiles. They'd have to hit a ship in transit through the straits of Hormuz

Fucking christ, nobody calls sea skimmers torpedos. They're missiles either way. Second, the primary ASCM of the Iranian fleet is the C802 , a subsonic missile with decent range.

No, not without Russian help. Even the Russians only have one tested system capable of taking out a carrier and it's short range and land based.

>that file name

They could do it once, with some luck, but only in the strait. Wouldn't want to be in that area afterwards.

In the open sea, they have essentially zero chance.

Underrated

A loaded cargo ship colliding amid ship with a CVN absolutely would fuck it up.

Does Iran have philipines cargo ships? Men, a philipine cargo ship almost destroy a destroyer (kek) so Iran would be able to btfo that carriers

Doubtful, but I'm sure the CIA/Mossad could and frame it on them. That's how they'll most likely get us into their next war.

Who launches these torpedoes? They would be dead for sure.

On a moonless night at 3 am that's feasible.

I really don't know how the fuck that DDG collided. They have FLIR and should have local comms on the channels. Can't imagine which kind of fuckwit was conning.

A CVN can outpace a cargo ship anytime in sheer speed, so there's that.

It's only necessary to ignite the ordnance on board to destroy the ship.
The burnt carcass could float but it wouldn't make any difference.
John McCain burnt the USS Forrestal by wet starting his F4.

Only if they were very, very sneaky. Even then, it would only work once and the amount of hurt that would come from it would be mindboggling.

I'm gonna go ahead and say womandriving

lmfao I find that very believable
It's true. If the JP fuel lines were hit, it'd be a class D fire and there'd be no way to stop it. The only way to stop a class D fire is by attempting to remove the burning object by throwing it over board. There are some built in defenses to reduce or cut off obvious routes of damage, but it'd be unstoppable in damaging. The problem is, Iran doesn't have a way to do that. The most reliable way is to send a low and slow fighter equipped with two medium sized torpedoes on a suicide mission.

Perhaps, but the US Navy is pretty good at sinking itself.

They could sink one then if the US declares war they would be in a world of hurt.

Yes and easily. They have quite a rare bird a native high attack angle ASBM.

Probably

Link? The only ones I know about are three different Chinese ASBM's-and they weren't exporting them.

Probably. Most american soldiers are incompetent.

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Total bullshit. Khalije Fars.

Iran has on several occasians sneaked up on american carriers using drones.

>soldiers at sea instead of sailors
>being more incompetant than peacenik cuck user

I almost think the US would not bother with a conventional war with Iran at this point. Trump might just nuke their major cities and call it good. (Assuming the military lets him.) I seriously think Iran needs to consider this. It would be substantially more cost effective, and serve the point. I doubt Russia will instigate a nuclear retaliation over that.

TL:DR No way Iran does what OP suggests, even if they could.

>who gives a shit

Have you tried to?

Nah they'll turn Israel into a wasteland by pummeling NNRC.

anything is possible, not like they are invincible or anything.
how cool would it be to nuke tehran though in retaliation

It's not THAT simple. Can they get past the massive armed perimeter that surrounds each of these ships? It's not like these things are lone ducks. You have subs, destroyers, space missles, aircraft, space craft, all working with these monsters. Get passed all of that, then they could lob their missile at the stranded duck and possibly dent it

This. If Russia and China did most of the work, they probably could.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Literally the only time it was ever seriously tested the "Iranians" wiped out the "American" fleet with a saturation ballistic missile attack on the first day and ruined the entire wargames. They had to "re-float" the "American" fleet and change the rules to stop the "Iranians" sinking it again.

That was 15 years ago, but hell yes Iran could feasibly sink a US aircraft carrier. Point defense has advanced but so has the Iranian missile force.

Yes any nation worth its salt has countermeasures for aircraft carriers. Iran has maintained close ties to Russia. If the Russians can do it my bet would be Iran could do it.

>Iran sends drone to "sneak" up on American fleet
>American fleet collects sigint and telint information on the future Iranian drone fleet
>America better prepared to fight against them, and it cost literally nothing except Iranians being proud they flew something
wut

There is no way the ship could get through the carrier's escort. Carriers are never alone. They are always part of a larger task force.

pic related. They aren't always this close to each other obviously. And notice the leading 4 ships are actually subs.

They took the RQ-170 and the government and media denied denied denied and then once BTFO'd sour graped out that they wouldn't be able to access data....until Iran broadcast the aircraft's video feed which also included footage of the base it took off and landed from.

Hell yeah, just get some silk worm missiles on rhibs and fishing boats, and a courier that travels at light speed.

>They took the RQ-170 and the government and media denied denied denied and then once BTFO'd sour graped out that they wouldn't be able to access data....until Iran broadcast the aircraft's video feed which also included footage of the base it took off and landed from.

Yeah, because a nation famous for making propaganda films of plastic models and photoshopping extra rockets into their rocket launch videos would never stoop to faking something right

Iran doesn't need to sink one. The US seem to be capable of managing to sink one of their own ships without anyone attacking them.

Aircraft carriers are easy to sink. It's just a big target that you can launch whatever you feel like at. You don't even need to aim for any specific part of the ship as long as it hits.

And what ship sank?

That's because information is classified you tard. Just because it starts to become public access, it's still required to be denied for secrecy UNTIL it's authorized by the proper channels for release. This means that the public may know about something BEFORE the military admits something has happened. It doesn't mean the military doesn't know in the first place (extremely unlikely).
A cargo ship holding missile might. The typical Carrier guard used to be a cruiser, but we're phasing those out. BUT, if a cargo ship disguise with missiles were used, the group would have 0% chance of stopping those missiles. Even subsonic missiles within visual range are nearly impossible to stop, outside of an accident or a technical fault of the OPFOR. But you're right, most cargo ships wouldn't make it in that far, and any who did approach would typically have to answer a hail.

Dual volleys of silkworms and cavitation torpedoes while dropping high angle descent ASBMs.

You got fucked. U mad.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Ships have multiple compartments. The whole ship isn't going to take on water if you punch a hole in any part. They are warships designed to take damage.

>mad

I'm madder about the intact airframe being captured because Obama was too much of a pussy cunt to approve an airstrike to destroy it, than the ~software~ on board. If you think for a second there wasn't an automated switch to slap a magnet against the hard drive of that puppy, you don't know much about how a military thinks. The airframe and its shaping was the real loss.

No faggot not the way it happened. It was a never ending dog and pony show of denials, evasions and dismissals. ALL PUBLIC. U mad too.

They wouldn't have to, Israel would sink it first and blame Iran.

>Yeah, because a nation famous for making propaganda films of plastic models and photoshopping extra rockets into their rocket launch videos would never stoop to faking something right

TOPKEK, they were not the one who photoshopped it, it was your own MSM, to make Iran look more "invadable"

Nope

There wasn't an automated switch they got it all.

Airframes can be designed by any competent aeronautical engineer. Muh magnet slap doesn't actually happen if nobody can pull it because the C&C channel is toast.
Just admit you got cucked by underestimating your enemy and believing your own bullshit, and move on.
Also, you deserve every bit of the damage you take from nosing into other people's business.
Cuck.

Lookup missile test fires. Fire fighting teams on board should be able to minimize the damage to keep her floating. A torpedo is a different animal altogether-and might actually one shot a carrier.
That portion that says the cruise missile strike overwhelmed enemy sensors doesn't actually matter. They're going to launch chaff/decoys, light up the CIWS, and change heading accordingly regardless of passive sensors. It'll still fuck them up, but it seems kind of silly, the wording and mentality behind the writing of the report. In this scenario, it makes sense blue would put a carrier closer to shore w/in striking distance in order to provide CAS.

Doesn't matter, a hit anywhere will put it out of service, which would be a tactical win.

So you are saying
>islamic smacking
that without radar
>fucks a goat
or a carrier battlegroup
>stones wife
or any kind of communication
>bombs Berlin church
that we can
>rapes goat again inshallah to make sure
we wiz carrier destroyers and shieeeeet?

>hit the runway with one missile
>disable steam catapult beyond repair
>carrier still operational but capabilities are fully disabled

You don't even have to sink it. Just disable the runway beyond at-sea capable repairs. Done.

There are several fucking catapults.
In any case, the US in such a scenario might even have two carrier battlegroups on hand, not to mention coalition air bases actually on land.

>N Korea uses silkworms, not Iran
>Silkworms are the single worst ASCMissiles in the world-bar none
>Iran doesn't have ASBM's
>Iran doesn't own cavitation torpedos, but if the Russians gave them a free supply they would still have to be in uber short range to use them (less than 8 NM)
Somebody get's it! And kek confirms
Don't be a tard. The fact is, you wouldn't know if the military was collecting on them. Which the damn well were, but think whatever you want. You're a nation with twice as many prostitutes as soldiers, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.


Fact. And then we would go to war with Iran and give it to our greatest ally.

Carriers have runways to sortie from.

By the way, this idea has been run already. Look up the Millenium Challenge.
There's a lot of controversy around it.

Kill yourself, Shlomo.

Yes, torpedo or missile.


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The whole point is that OPFOR would have to get close to the carrier. The carrier could dick around 300+ nm off the coast and still get shit done. Not to mention Iran doesn't have any decent weapons capable of hitting, except either low and slow fighter pilots with torpedos. Although, I'll grant that a drone might come close to getting to that range, not sure if a 50 lb payload is going to do enough.

If I were a Schlomo, I would.
Talk about it then. But for the most part, Iran can't do much against a properly spaced carrier.

If a US carrier were parked 1,000 miles off coast would Iranian missiles be able to hit it though?

no

youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

Sad slo-mo Shlomo! Hezbollah burn never healed aye?

Carriers are a meme. Iran has good air defences, not only owning some s-300 but also built their own indigenous bavar-373, which are reported to be more advanced than the s-300, some quoting the range of up to 800km, though I seriously doubt that. They also started building them in huge quantities, and are 100% built in Iran, therefore they cannot be "backdoored" as to prevent them from shooting specific country planes, nor make them dependable on other countries, which can be stopped fro selling them weapons.

They also are one of the few countries who managed to put a satellite in orbit without the help of other countries.

Furthermore, they are also in the process of designing and building nuclear powered submarines.

On top of that, they plan to build an aircraft carrier, they have a fully iranian car manufacturer company.

Every year that goes on, they become more and more self-sufficient and independent. That is something that you will never see in arab countries.

They do not rely on anyone, not even for banking which is the reason why they are so feared by the west.

Well, they could probably ram it with a container ship

Lol at fags who can't argue so they call you a kike.

sure they COULD if the USN parked one off the coast of Iran without her escorts

Iran had loads of Silkworms in the 80s and the only reason they would phase them out is if they have superior replacements in the same operational capacity, so they definitely have ASCMs. Iran has reverse-engineered Shkvals which they call "Hoot", so they have at least some supercavitating torpedoes, and they have the Khalij Fars which is basically an ASBM (technically it isn't quite ballistic)

Considering the strategic value of the Strait of Hormuz, it would be totally retarded of Iran not to aggressively pursue all these anti-shipping technologies. It is literally their first line of national defense, so OF COURSE they have this shit.

Maybe.
But if they did.
"Iran" would be in the same list as Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The answer is no. The primary missile of Iranian coastal batteries is the C802 Saccade. Even the extended range versions are outranged by our fighters and their missiles.
>meme
Lookup the meaning of the word.

> own indigenous bavar-373, which are reported to be more advanced than the s-300, some quoting the range of up to 800km, though I seriously doubt that

Your doubt is well placed. The quote I'd seen said 100nm~.

>building nuclear powered submarines.

When this happens, we can talk.

Keep in mind that the flagship, Jamaran, is a fucking frigate. A FUCKN FRIGATE IS THEIR FLAGSHIP. Their strategy is to use jetski's armed with laser guided rocket launchers to hit naval targets. A carrier doesn't have to be anywhere near there(or any of the fleet, with Tomahawks).

Remember the Maine!

^The guy doesn't know shit.

1. When you hit a carrier with a missile, it doesn't just blow a hole in one compartment, it explodes the whole thing, or a very huge chunk of it. This is not WW2 where they are using artillery shells.

2. Iran has a very advanced sets of missiles, including anti-ship missiles, which can fly at supersonic speeds.

3. The fact that an Iranian drone got so close to a US carrier is a shame. Don't give me the bullshit that they let the drone there because they were spying on IT, it's actually quite the opposite, the drone was spying on them, and they probably didn't notice it until it was already there.
4. Your so called facts are complete bullshit

Why would they even be in range of the Iranian systems, fucking F/A-18E's have an operational radius of over 2000 miles.

>advanced stealth shaping designed by a supercomputer and over 9 million hours of R&D
>"any engineer"
>OH NOES THEY GOTS THE FLIGHT SOFTWARES WHAT MAKE IT FLY STRAIGHT LIKE THE DRONES IRAN ALREADY FUCKIN HAS

God, you people are fucking stupid.

Ethnically pure and not filled with fat degenerate puppets of Jews?

Go be a cuck somewhere elss

American forces are weak because of the millennials who are now running it. However, I do think them being complacent would end after one major event. Who knows leaf, I guess. I would also say that almost every Western country has the same issue. Uncaring iPhone faggots have guns, and don't care about defense but care about Katy Perry videos. Leafistan is surely worse in this.

>Your doubt is well placed. The quote I'd seen said 100nm~.
HAHAHAHA what a fag, their range is anywhere between 400km to 800km, the lowest one being twice the 100nm you read. Where the fuck do you get your information nigger. Actually I don't care, because its complete horse shit, try to take it from somewhere other than hareetz.jew

First, the US is rapidly losing interest in the Persian Gulf due to the rapidly changing nature of energy production and demand in the US. Major American naval assets are in the Gulf less and less often.

With that said, it's very unlikely that Iran would be able to sink an American aircraft carrier without overwhelming force and total surprise and even then it would be a challenge. Lastly, if memory serves the US has a stated policy of nuclear retaliation for the sinking of an aircraft carrier.

1. Even the largest soviet AShM's carry a warhead weight of only 750 kilograms. Thats 750 kilograms exploding on a ship that weighs over 100,000 tons and is equipped with the best damage control systems and teams in the world. Good luck fucking sinking it with one missile.

2. Iran is using 1980's tier soviet missiles, with even less range. Almost every AShM is supersonic, and has been since the 70's, this is not some magical feat.

3. A fucking LEAF

>Talk about it then

MC2 showed what we already knew, that saturation missile attacks are incredibly lethal against ships, and every ABM defense can be overcome given enough increase in the number of missiles you launch. Since Iran's entire military doctrine for the last 30 years has been "Stockpile more missiles of every kind imaginable" and they have the most strategically valuable naval constriction on Earth on their coastline, it would be grade-A lunacy to say that Iran can't sink a carrier.

lmao inorite
They did have a Silkworms. They have replaced those with the C802 Saccade. The Saccade has good range, but not enough to hit a carrier at long range. It is subsonic,good payload, and extremely easy to detect relative to other ASCM's,especially regarding it's active radar. They have ASCM's, but they aren't good. Saccade is the best. They do not have ASBM's, the ballistic anti ship missiles. Those are Chinese only. The missile you mentioned has less range than the updated Saccades-so it's less useful here aside from it's speed and interception chance. Range is the game here.

As far as torps go-they have to get within 8nm to use even longer range torps. Missile carried versions usually only go out to 30nm max. It seems unusual they would bother, since their midget subs were the focus of their fleet as intended a decade ago. It must be in preparation for building bigger subs, b/c the midgets are crap.

Israel will be a nuclear wasteland.

>Your so called facts are complete bullshit
I wasn't even agreeing with him--in fact you're right, I just did some research on Iranian military capability--I was just pointing out that he was actually making an argument (albeit a bad one) and the other people were just like "lol shut up fag shlomo"

Yes, if the carrier's close to Iran like in the Persian Gulf or Strait of Oman missile spam will fuck it up.

>9 million hours of R&D
>muh superduperoopercomputer
>muh money
>muh very expensive pile of shit
Do you even listen to yourself? You think that spending money on overpaid Americans through defense contractors is directly proportional to a product like you're allocating resources in some vidya? The real world works much differently, son.
>flight software
They also got the crypto, nigga.
>fact
The first refuge of the submissive cuck is to declare facts that are merely opinions.

Literally nothing of value would be lost.

Well, I was a cryptotech in the Navy and I'm just telling you what regarding the training we were given.

> When you hit a carrier with a missile, it doesn't just blow a hole in one compartment

There are at least three repair lockers, meaning that even if one goes the problem area can be fully isolated. Most missiles will hit midships, which actually makes problem isolation easier.

>2. Iran has a very advanced sets of missiles, including anti-ship missiles, which can fly at supersonic speeds.

Find their most reliable supersonic missiles. The standard missile is still the c802 saccade. At long range, the supersonic weapon is not useful. The Iranians would have to have fleet superiority BEFORE hand or rely on the US bringing it's carrier within range and close to their batteries. Barring a Hormuz transit-that's not going to happen.
>3. The fact that an Iranian drone got so close to a US carrier is a shame. Don't give me the bullshit that they let the drone there because they were spying on IT, it's actually quite the opposite, the drone was spying on them, and they probably didn't notice it until it was already there.

Given the way intel works in collections, especially for us cryptotechs, they were likely spying and denied it so they wouldn't know that we have their specs in our hands.

Think about this for a second- if we say that we spied on the drone- they would just change all of the parametric data. If we deny it and they don't realize we have their data, then they'll continue using faulty data that we can later exploit.

>HAHAHAHA what a fag, their range is anywhere between 400km to 800km, the lowest one being twice the 100nm you read. Where the fuck do you get your information nigger. Actually I don't care, because its complete horse shit, try to take it from somewhere other than hareetz.jew

Your high number is wrong. Did you really think that Iran's engineers could out engineer Russian S500's a decade before they're set to release?

youtube.com/watch?v=c--fP017Xoc

That's a 290kg warhead literally tearing a destroyer in half. Okay so destroyers are small but in a lot of ways that works in their favour - longer, heavier targets experience significantly higher forces from uplift and wider targets experience significantly higher uplift and blast pressure.

Remember that water transmits blast forces far, far, far more destructively than air does. A 750kg blast below the waterline is serious shit.