Is it stupid to be proud of Western Civilization?

Why should a German take pride in the achievements of an Italian? An Italian pride in the achievements of a Briton, etc.? I understand national pride but Western pride seems dumb.

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/CCLpjOA8iUU
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

No. Your forefathers fought, worked, and died so you could live here and you owe it to your children and your children's children to do the same.

A lot of mongrels

i know your rotten little racial masochist mind cant handle this much information, but you may find one day that there is a plethora of wonderful thoughts and feelings wrapped up in that funny little package we call "Western Civilization".

much more than can be said about any other """"culture"""" on earth.

Okay but that sounds like national pride, not Western pride. I'm not Italian, Italians aren't my forefathers, they are the forefathers of Italians who inherit their mantle and nation, I don't.

Western pride only exists in new world countries where everyone is a mongrel

Both no and yes.

No, an Italian can't take pride in something a German did.

However, Samuel P. Huntington (author of Clash of Civilizations) said that there is a similar culture between sets of nations than with others. This too is backed up by the work of Carroll Quigley (author of Tragedy and Hope) who said that civilizations have similar ideas, ways of life, and material objects.

Thus, technically yes, an Italian could take credit for something that is produced by a German, but that's only when they compete against other civilizations (Like Russian Civ, Islamic Civ, etc) to be honest that is more and more common I find.

When you're at the level of competing countries (Italy vs. Germany) it doesn't work

When you're at the level of civilizations (Western vs. Islamic) then it does

>Why should a German take pride in the achievements of an Italian?

They are brothers desu. Plus, without the Germs the Italians we wuz meme would have been BTFO. Without a steady supply of barbarian conscripts, the Latins would have ended up a lot like Byzantium tbqh.

Either way, don't be ashamed of being Western.
Take pride in our achievements

-We landed on the moon
-We created the internet
-We killed off 6 million Jews

The West is the best
#NoRegrets

It was barbarian conscripts that sacked Rome you Mongol, his name was Alaric.

You don't have to be proud of it. In fact, why should you be proud of it? You had nothing do it with it.

But you CAN identify with it. And that's what nonwhites fucking hate. Because the achievements of people with white DNA are literally everything that's good in life. And now, race traitors are forcing pic related on us. It will damn us to war and horror.

Take credit is different than taking pride.

And don't forget, Huntington oversimplified "civilizations", so they could be narrowed down to a few distinct characteristics. Clash isn't a sociology book and shouldn't be treated as such.

We are separate by nationality but united by race.

that's a retarded image. Iran and its Eastern nations have little in common with Turks or Gulf Arabs. They should be a different color.

False, a black man (or any other minority) from the US can identify with the achievements of anyone that was also part of the West because they grew up in the same culture.

Whiteness has nothing to do with it. Do you identify with the Soviets from Russian civilization (yes, different from The West) when they were the first to launch a satellite?

that's just how it is mayne

Is this a map of religion or culture?

Good points
I'm on the first few pages of Clash, seems legit. Thanks for the heads up.

My brother says western civilization and capitalism is shit.

Meanwhile he became a millionaire doing freelance work in video/audio production............

I don't even understand his reasoning. It's almost as if he has no idea why he's able to be a millionaire.

it has nothing to do with taking credit for the achievements of forebears. It's about wanting to preserve their traditions because they resulted in a relatively nice society to live in. That society is currently deteriorating for a variety of reasons, one of which is mass immigration

This is a map of culture

The catch though is the definition of culture that is typically used. It contains ideas, ways of living, and technology. So yes, religion is included and to the extent that religion is the main contributor to culture, it is named such (Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist).

Looking at that map and all i can do is wonder why the fuck we are hostile towards Russia?

Huntington began one of his books with shaming desire to preserve the Old Stock Anglo-Americans and focus on culture instead. Muslim Leb lesbian on 9/11 that felt very American "is his inspiration".
>the US can identify with the achievements of anyone that was also part of the West because they grew up in the same culture.
They can't though. They have nothing to do with it genetically and it's pretty damn obvious

You're retarded if you think Afghanistan and Pakistan have little in common with Arabs or even the Turks. All the Central Stans are basically Turkic (including Azerbaijan)

As for Iran, yes they're Persian but are Islamic too. Yes they are Shia against Sunnis but by that logic Syria shouldn't be part of Islamic civilization because they are Shia too (and Iran's ally).

They're Islamic and fairly consistently share the same belief system.

Ya but we ain't talking about genetics, we're talking about culture. People with different genes can grow up in a similar culture and identify with their achievements.

Here's what it comes down to my friend
You are not you. You, as an entity is an illusion. What YOU are is your genes.
The genes that make you up have been passed down for thousands of years and its you're duty to replicate them before you die.
Taking pride in what happened in the past is taking pride in what your genes did.
Now as far as the specific countries you mentioned:
Europe is diverse but distinct from Asia and Africa. The neighbors of Europe have more in common than not. Although you may not have descended from Leonardo Di Vinci, your genes helped create a culture that allowed him to flourish so you can take a lil bit of pride, a lil bit of reverence and remembrance and inspiration from that and then realize you've got some big shoes to fill.
We're standing on the backs of giants.

The reason to be proud is because the same genes and memes that founded empires, conquered the world, traveled space, developed science, philosophy, etc, these same genes and memes are in your blood and mind.

I'm not saying you should rest on your laurels or be arrogant. I'm saying you should know you are capable of great things. That is something to be proud of.

It is our heritage.

No they can't. Culture is ethno-linguistic product

Well once the EU army unifies Europe you can all be proud of each other

if you don't have pride in the achievements of your civilization its probably because you're a degenerate or you come from a civilization that has no achievements.

I'm aware you fucking leaf. But in the bigger picture the Germanics played a vital role in the West's survival.

I wish nuclear holocaust upon Canada ASAP. Americans are all white, and our country isn't a country club where you were born here and follow the laws and voila, you're American. No nonwhite country, nor most white countries, do that. Every generation of my ancestors has fought in some conflict in defense of the US since they got off the boat. Every single one, including myself. Who do nonwhites identify with, and what do they care of our history? Kill yourself leaf nigger.

You're right, but I don't personally feel proud that we went to the moon. But you bet your ass I identify with it and am using my white mind to the fullest. The beauty of our people and spirits must not perish from this Earth.

Yes they can, culture is an ethno-linguistic product that can be shared by different races

In the West, Western Civilisation, is all burger cultural appropriation. There were pan-European cultural movements, like the Renaissance, Iluminism, The Liberal revolution. Burgers not included. Your culture is a CIA fabrication, you uncuth rednecks.

They did, because Rome that they sacked was a multiracial shithole. Funny fact that Roman Emporor Caracalla, a Syrian sandnigger by the way, gave full citizenship and travel rights to all colonies and shiet. Alaric did nothing wrong

>take pride in things you have not had a hand in
This fucking meme I swear on me mum...

How about having some humility for the things that have been granted to you? A wish to preserve and add to those things for the future? How about feeling reverance for them? And doing all these things for the cultures you feel a certain kinship with? Why can't that be the meme?

No it can't be. Norwegian speaking kurd is still a piece of foreign genetically dissimilar shit that has nothing to do with Norwegian culture. You read one of the most moronic "polsci writers" out there and think that you have a better idea about the biological reality for some reason

>best civilization yet in the history of humanity and the world
>d...dont be proud its stupid!! but you better apologize for your bad history lololo

Go away idiot.

Western Civilization is what bonds the European peoples together. When we fight it is not because we hate western civilization, but because we have different ideas on how to improve it. You can read Plato and Aristotle without being a Greek, Cicero without being a Roman and Heidegger without being a German. And you are SO FUCKING LUCKY THAT YOU CAN.

The bigger picture was geography. Both Rome and Byzantium were fucked by barbarians. It was lucky that Rome didn't directly border Islamic barbarians. Having German barbarians in your military didn't have anything to do with Byzantium going full jitard

The empire had not colonies, only provinces. It did not include Barbarians like you.

Stop saying Western, burger

is it stupid to proud of the protestant work ethic, is stupid to be proud of the scientific method, is it stupid to proud of increasing life expectancy of all people regardless of gender and color?

Nice try, kike.

Oh you are talking about the people that don't assimilate to Norwegian culture. Then in that case they're not part of Norwegian culture are they?

Which has nothing to do with genetics, it has to do with the people who share the same culture...idiot

We are too few in number vs the hordes of shitskins out to hijack what we've created to divide ourselves into even smaller subgroups.

White western people are the only real humans on Earth

Culture is a product of race you silly leaf.

Nope youtu.be/CCLpjOA8iUU

America is a glorious melting pot of genetic and cultural tradition. I'm pretty sure some American non-whites identify with the Wright Bros. or successful entrepreneurs like Trump.

And btw, that fallout from that nuclear holocaust will probably blow back on you due to weather patterns. Kek you're dumber than Antifa. Kill yourself burger.

i personally don't give a fuck about foreigners, but real friendship and trust should be appreciated. so it's kind of okay to celebrate their achievements.
i think only estonians are worthy of praise from finns.

I disagree

there is nothing left to be proud of

i will be proud when the millenium starts with jesus as king

Normally I would say yes, but that's only because Europeans have achieved enough individually to not take credit for their ancestors work. Unlike niggers who claim credit for people they have no relation to and weren't even black.

You can't be a part of any European ethnic culture, if you don't belong to said ethnic group, cretin. spics and nogs thinking that they have do anything with WB or Trump brand is beyond delusional.

Genetic altruism and lack of knowledge about the evolutionarily strategy not even once

I'm sure you do, but it doesn't change the facts.

Yeah you can, Spanish culture isn't just made up of latinos but also whites from white Spaniards.

And Russian culture is for slavs just like it is for those Mongols in Siberia and East Russia.

>the delusion

That's not an arguement

Not an argument either

Samuel I'm forWASPSnutnotreally Huntington is not an analyst or strategist. Your point? Racialist Spengler back from the grave and 20-30s thirties works proven to be spot on, not that old recently dead cuck. Not our problem you are undereducated suburban retard

Why it would be stupid to see and analyse the obvious glory of nations like Britain, Italy, France, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Russia, Greece, and other's it is a fact.

Clearly this.

>The bigger picture was geography

And again, I am aware.

You have made nothing but baseless assertions against established facts.

Well, then you are aware that you're wrong on both points seeing that you're agreeing with me

You provided no established facts
Provide some now

The moment colonies got actually province treatment, SPQR went to shit. Just imagine if Raj was given equal citizen and travel rights. Of, shit, that actually happened too, didn't it?

Nah. Western civilization is god tier great.
If you don't like it please fuck off.

It is NOT stupid to be proud of Western Civilisation because what you're not getting is that the achievements of different European countries are CONNECTED BY ONE COMMON CULTURE - Western Civilisation!

...

Biology is the root, culture is the flower.

Wrong. You're either feigning ignorance or new to concepts and realities of race. You should lurk more before posting about it if it's the latter.

Based

>"Huntington is legit"
>intelligence

Nope, you're ignoring the importance of culture independent of race. I'm disappointed that you don't share the qualities of logic and evidence based reasoning that made Western civilization great.

Because they're white and contributed a lot to each other

No.

>culture
>independent of race
Seems like being a WASP is racial after all

Yes

That is simply untrue. Your perception is entirely mistaken, and your false appeals to logic and reasoning only make it that much more apparent.

Thanks. Western culture/civilisation is basically human rights, individualism, secularism, prioritisation of science and technology, etc. We can see that these elements are common in many different European cultures and together form one super-culture that we can call 'Western culture'.

Nope, can be a WASP through self identification.
#NotAllWasps

Nope

Thank you, Western Culture, not Western genetics

Which were bound by not-so-long ago extremely tightly knit genetic collective

Stop being a moron

Our histories and cultures are COMPLETELY entwined you nigger.

For FUCK'S sake what do you call this relentless, pointless scrutiny? Putting every little thing that's always worked and served a purpose under a microscope so you can justify your actions to a world that will NEVER meet you on such a level. Sometimes YOUR interests are at odds with those of other people and IT'S NOT IN THEIR INTERESTS to even fucking LISTEN to you. Why shouldn't outsiders and immigrants feign interest in our lofty idealistic standards of them and then go on happily doing whatever the fuck they want? It makes complete sense. It's utterly rational, and trying to reason with your enemies is utterly irrational. Because it fucking works for them, non-Westerners LOVE this kind of bullshit relativism so they can worm their way in and rot our societies, like maggots feeding on a corpse.

What we need right now is Western solidarity. We need White solidarity. We're all in the same sinking boat and no one else will plug our holes for us, but each and every one of us could take the exact same solution and save our respective countries with it. If you want to ask questions, you should be asking how to reunite our nations and our peoples. We have similar origins, values, tastes, appearances, and beliefs, but today we're divided with not our invaders and our parasites, but our brothers and sisters. What we're doing isn't sustainable - we won't even last another 100 years at this rate. Another 50 years for some of us. What you're proposing has been the norm, but if we want to preserve ourselves and our similar ways of life, we need change. Not even just change - we need a revolution, and it needs to be about us. All of us, and not them.

That's the way of the world. History is just a timeline of groups of people getting together and getting what they want. Pick a fucking side.

...

There are three human races: caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid.

I think that the only one of those three human races that is somewhat disadvantaged in the area of intelligence is the negroid race, but it is a disadvantage that can be overcome (Neil deGrasse Tyson is an example of this, even though he says some blue-pilled shit once in a while). Mongoloids and caucasoids are roughly equal in intelligence (look at the ancient Chinese civilisations, for example). I do not advocate racism, I advocate race-realism. We are NOT equal physically, nor are we equal mentally - but we are ALL equal in terms of who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. I do not adhere to any religion, but the Bible was right when it said that we are all made in the image of God.

Nope, bound together by ideas and culture. A society of kinship/blood ties only creates small tribes. To get larger societies you need culture and ideology to link the people that don't share genetics.

Damn, straight user.
Our people are waking up to the realities of race every day. We just need to accelerate it and dissolve their pathological altruism before it's too late.

We ought to remember who and what EVERYONE REALLY IS - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. You can do ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO and you can be ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE. They want us to think that the average person is powerless to positively change the world, but the TRUTH is that we have INFINITE POWER - both individually AND collectively. There's only one of us here. If you hit yourself on the head with a baseball bat, they'll put you in a mental hospital, yet that's EXACTLY what people are doing on a global scale. You can call Pure Consciousness 'God' if you want, but I don't because the word 'God' has religious connotations that I would rather avoid. Religion is the McDonald's of spirituality.

What we need to do is to raise our level of consciousness, both individually AND collectively. If even one person raises his or her level of consciousness, it has a ripple effect that benefits EVERYONE ELSE, even if they don't believe any of this stuff - and this is because 'reality' itself is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature. One of the ways that they have manipulated us so deeply for so long is by suppressing our sense of the possible. What we call 'reality' is COMPLETELY ILLUSORY and thus MALLEABLE - and they KNOW THIS, while most other people do NOT. EVERYTHING IS ILLUSORY, EXCEPT PURE CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF. NOTHING is impossible in a universe that is ILLUSORY TO BEGIN WITH. People are AWAKENING to a MORE EXPANDED CONCEPTION of the world and life in general and this is a PROFOUNDLY GOOD THING. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that includes EVERYTHING that I tell you. We have the power to transform this prison illusion into a PARADISE ILLUSION, so let's USE that power.

Fuck you faggot KYS

We're all one - and the beauty of this is that we don't have to be cucks despite this fact (and it IS a fact). We can STILL protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction. We ought to embrace nationalist principles to protect Western Civilisation and save the white race from extinction even while REMEMBERING who and what WE REALLY ARE - Pure Consciousness (which is INFINITE AND ETERNAL) experiencing life in a temporary human form. Our TRUE STATE, our TRUE NATURE and our TRUE IDENTITY is Pure Consciousness and Pure Consciousness is ALL-PERFECT AND EVER-PERFECT. We are SIMULTANEOUSLY one yet different in our oneness in much the same way that the waves of an ocean are one with that ocean but are also unique in and of themselves in that each wave has its own shape, speed and size. I think that's pretty neat. What we call 'reality' is HOLOGRAPHIC in nature, so we are in fact smaller versions of the whole (which you can call 'God', if you want). Every part of the whole contains the whole and, to be more accurate, IS the whole. And just as a drop of water contains the same qualities as an entire ocean of water, we likewise contain all that exists within us - but merely on a smaller scale. From unconditional love we ALL sprang and to unconditional love we ALL return. There is no death, only transference of consciousness. There are no answers, only choices. There are no hallucinations, only shifts in perception. There are no laws, only habits. There are no coincidences, only synchronicities. There are no truths, only experiences. There is no separateness, only oneness. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my message shall NEVER pass away. The message is more important than the messenger.

Alright now I'm convinced you're new. Go lurk more so you don't embarrass yourself again.

It is stupid to be proud of anything you are not living and working to perpetuate and improve.

However, the most stupid circular logic is that pushed by anti-white progressives - that is, because you as an individual did not build this, and by luck you were born in this, you have nothing to be proud of.

The correct response here would be to work to perpetuate and improve it, as stated above. However, the anti-white progressive does not do this, and so precludes by their own logic any attachment to, or involvement in, traditions, social norms and cohesion.

Pride can be a catalyst to reflect on what you as an individual are doing in order to earn the privilege to be proud of the foundations upon which you stand. Pride can instill a sense of mutual belonging and investment to motivate you to earn that pride.

Those who attack pride only do so, because it is far easier to overtly attack notions of pride than it is to attack notions of the individual hard graft that they shun.

Dismissing pride and attacking the culture that you are born into is seen as a quick fix to shirking any sense of social responsibilities.

We should recognize it for what it is. A spit in the face of our forebears.

>national pride
>western pride
>should

I do concur with that analysis. I believe that the reason caucasoid and mongoloids are similar in intelligence is due to the fact that we inhabit colder climates. This forces us to be more innovative to survive the cold, which increases brain size.

Which begs the question, would a colony of blacks in Alaska be smarter (or have bigger head size) if they grew up there? I think so.

Yes.

Romans are not Italians you retard. Greeks aren't even Hellenes. You should look back to history and marvel at its majesty and learn from your forefathers, but do not pretend they lived as you do. That they are the same. I agree with you, but you are approaching this at a wrong angle.