Does anyone have any experience with Mormons? Are they typically welcoming of converts? If I move to a Mormon area in Utah, for instance, would I be able to marry a fellow Mormon or are there primarily arranged marriages like in Orthodox Jewish communities?
Tl;dr ed pill me on Mormonism
>Does anyone have any experience with Mormons?
Lived in SLC all my life, but not a Mormon myself
>Are they typically welcoming of converts?
Well yeah, that's why they're so aggressive with evangelizing via missionaries
>If I move to a Mormon area in Utah, for instance, would I be able to marry a fellow Mormon or are there primarily arranged marriages like in Orthodox Jewish communities?
They're not arranged. But Mormons have tight-nit communities where couples usually meet each other in high school or college. Meaning if you're too old it might be harder to find a grill, but not impossible.
>Tl;dr ed pill me on Mormonism
It's Islam for white people
>couples usually meet each other in high school or college
I'm a college freshman, but I go to a college in the Northeast. Should I try to find a Mormon here on campus?
Are mormons at all /ourguys/? Anything nationalistic, etc?
>tfw no non-cucked Southern Victory timeline where the United States turns into Nazi Germany and Fuhrer McSweeney gases six million Mormons
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Have you met any? Is there a Mormon church nearby? Also you haven't told me why you're considering joining the church. It sounds like you're just doing it to find a gf. If you don't believe all the Book of Mormon shit, you're gonna have a bad time.
Civic nationalists at best, marxists at worst.
I've done extensive readings into the Mormon spiritual beliefs and honestly it really speaks to me. I'm not quite sure why, but it makes sense to me in a way that other Christian sects, like Pentecostals, Baptists, etc. don't. I've cut out a lot of the partying I used to do back in high school and basically all I consume now is coffee, which I'm slowly weening myself off of in line with church teachings.
If I become a Mormon though, I'd want my family to be Mormon, hence why I ask about community cohesion and marriage.
It can't be Islam for white people if they can't have a nationalist chimp out.
Kinda surprising since so many vote Republican. I expected at least a little radicalism.
Mormons follow a false prophet much like Islam and are only loyal to themselves.
Theyre a cult. They even have cultish looking temples all over the globe.
>nightly mormon thread
>some lucky elder got to skip going on a shitty mission and posts about mormonism here
My cousin married a Mormon and my family had a fucking riot. The husband (Mormon) was eventually convinced to convert to Protestantism or my cousin would leave him (the alternative is my family would have alienated them both).
Today they're a happy married couple with 6 blonde haired blue eyed kids and follow the true and only prophet, Jesus Christ.
Well that's good, if you genuinely believe in it I'm not gonna stop you even though I'm personally not a fan of the theology itself. But yeah, as long as you stay active with the Mormon community wherever you are, chances are you'll start a stable family.
>It can't be Islam for white people if they can't have a nationalist chimp out.
I meant that in terms of strictness in teachings. No alcohol, no caffeine, no cursing, no premarital sex. Unlike many other Jesus followers, they actually practice what they preach.
>Kinda surprising since so many vote Republican. I expected at least a little radicalism.
There's always the "fundamental" Mormons, who are basically as extreme as it gets. But they're far and few in between and Mormonism is slowly bowing down to political correctness in order to appeal to a wider audience.
>Does anyone have any experience with Mormons?
Yes. Known quite a few in my life. All wonderful people, but I think they would be with or without being LDS. Know quite a bit about their history and theology.
>Are they typically welcoming of converts?
Absolutley. First step is called an "investigator" which is "im curious about yo shit". Then you can convert.
>If I move to a Mormon area in Utah, for instance, would I be able to marry a fellow Mormon or are there primarily arranged marriages like in Orthodox Jewish communities?
No, they dont arrange marriages but you are pretty much expected to be married by the time you finish college, or are of collefe finishing age so between 22-26 depending on whether or not you served a mission.
*fundamentalist
I was raised Mormon. As far as marrying one goes, it'd be a big help if you were an RM(returned missionary), but as long as you're a decent enough guy you should be fine. Just be ready to have a weird ass temple marriage. Also get ready to have a shit ton of kids and have to drag them to church every Sunday for 3 hours. Also no premarital sex. And don't forget to read dat Book of Mormon every day and do whatever calling you get within your ward. Oh, and no porn or masturbation. Or coffee or tea. Bascially what I'm saying is, marrying a Mormon is gonna be a pain in the ass. Guess you could try to unconvert one, but good luck in Utah. Goodluck OP
>Followers of Jesus
Good one. They hold Joseph Smith in a much higher regard. Following false prophets is a sin.
they really don't though
Then why are they reading the Book of Mormon more than the New Testament?
Joseph Smith is the Muhammad of Mormonism. Islam believes in Jesus too, you know, but they still hold Muhammad in a higher regard much like Mormons do Smith.
I have a friend who is a Mormon.
They are almost sickeningly decent people that will universally give you the shirt of their back if you need it.
That said, their fundamental backbone of their religion is kind of stupid, however, so long as you don't outright disrespect them to their face, you will have a pleasant time talking to them.
I wouldn't recommend you convert, however, I do recommend you treat them with courtesy and respect because they're good people and the morality instilled in them is pure even if the actual story they believe in is retarded.
marketfaith.org
>Summary
The evidence cited above is a very short summary designed only to show that Mormonism does not, even in a small sense, pass the test for accuracy and validity. If you are interested in delving more into this specific topic, there are scores of books which have been written which go into minute detail about the many problems related to the truth of the Mormon faith. Our purpose here is simply to point out that even at a cursory level, using worldview tools, Mormonism can be demonstrated to be not true.
>Fuhrer McSweeney
Jesus is in the Book of Mormon too bud. It's subtitle is literally "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." As for why they read the BoM more? Well they read the New Testament more than the old probably (like most christians), does that mean they Love Jesus more than God(who are separate people to them)? No. Also, they believe that the bible has a bunch of errors accumulated over time while the Book of Mormon is the most perfect book on this earth. So there ya go
Are Mormon girls qt white girls of pure virgin non-degenerative Anglo stock?
I like how you completely avoided how much they hold Joseph Smith (a false prophet) in high regard next to Jesus.
Smith is the Mormon Mohammed. Simple as that.
>who are separate people to them
Then they're denying the Holy Trinity, which is one of THE must fundamental components of Christians. They're about as Christian as Muslims are in that regard.
*of Christianity
sorry my brain is mush today
They don't regard him next to Jesus though? Yea, translated the Book of Mormon, but he's mentioned nowhere in it. There's no praying to him, there's no worshipping him. I don't see the case for him being on the same level. There's many more prophets in BoM that Mormons hold in very high regard like him as well, you just don't hear about them as much
If you marry into a mormon family (guessing your a dude) be ready to have either some mumbo jumbo its my spirit quest to have 99999 kids so expect sum fuk but it depends on which area, up here in washington theres a small mormon community but they're all progressive but down in utah and in eastern washington the mormons fucking hate fags so dont be suprised if they're weird on either spectrum. (used to be a mormon as a kid got outta there as as fast as i could)
I am a devout FSM Flying Spaghetti Monster) follower, will the Mormon Church allow me to marry a qt Mormon girl?
Yea, they believe that God and Jesus have bodies like us, and the Holy Spirit doesn't but is separate from them. As for one of the most fundamental concepts, idk about that. I don't think it's explicitly in the bible, but I don't really know, never read a lot
Utah is a based white ethnostate
very few active Mormons would marry a non-member
Mormonfag here.
Generally the community is okay. You'll almost certainly be welcomed in as a convert, though there are one or two areas in Utah that are a bit touch and go. Won't name names.
Arranged marriages aren't a thing in the LDS church.
Neither is polygamy, we stopped that almost as soon as we started.
And because I know somebody will bring it up, no we do not believe the "magic mormon underwear" actually does anything or has any unusual properties. It's purely symbolic.
In general, the people are usually somewhat redpilled, and Utah is currently a nice safe haven from the progressive madness that seems to be so rampant everywhere else.
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im obliged to answer you op.
i was a mormon, born into a mormon family. one does not simply marry a mormon and thats that.
what this person says is true
The church allows it, but the people therein usually only marry other Mormons. Also the correct term is Pastafarianism.
Here in Missouri you could legally shoot Mormons but not anymore cause the Jews made us change the laws.
I don't really have to be convinced about any of the traditions, most of it makes sense and I feel a drive/zeal for the religion I haven't felt before.
Should I look into taking a mission trip or something along those lines once I enter the church? I'm still young so I probably would have the time for it. As a new convert would i be able to take such a trip?
I'm planning on converting famalam
We believe that the holy trinity, or the Godhead as we more often call it, are three separate beings who are one in purpose.
Lived in Utah all my life, and I can say the Mormon Church is nothing more than a cult interested in making money and gaining power.
We do not regard Smith nearly as highly as Jesus. Anyone who told you otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.
Do Mormons really baptize people that have died? Isn't that really presumptions? How the fuck would you know a dead person wants to be converted to the Mormon faith?
Pretty much describes most religion organizations.
You would be able to, yes. I don't know if I'd recommend doing it so soon, but you could.
>Are they typically welcoming of converts?
They openly welcome converts. AFAIK their women can marry freely.
>they believe that God and Jesus have bodies like us
Only Jesus lived as a man in our physical world as we do. God/the father is an infinite being.
>As for one of the most fundamental concepts, idk about that
If you deny that God/Jesus/the HS are all ONE being then you are not a monotheist, and therefore are heretical.
>I don't think it's explicitly in the bible,
There are several verses that mention it
catholic.com
>are three separate beings who are one in purpose.
But Mormons do not believe that the Father/Son/HS are of the SAME substance. That is where the fault lies.
templemormonparis.org
I met one in Versailles, they have their temple here, like Scientologists.
The black guy was a nice dude but though of himself as a neo-Jew...
you won't get a hot mormon wife unless you've gone on a mission
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I'm Mormon. Wife is almost mormon. (She's Russian). She will convert soon. We have beautiful blue eyed blonde kids. We are also basically full blown Nazis politically and love Trump (best option now) and are ready at the drop of a hat to fight the coming race wars
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hmmmm, I don't see anywhere in that link that explicitly spells out that they are one being and NOT separate. Oh, and you're replying as if I don't know what other faiths believe/that I actually care about any of it
>Jesus
>prophet
retarded?
Is there a chance to smash Mormon puss without converting first? I want to try before I commit. Or is it strictly flirt to convert?
they believe that they can accept or refuse on the other side, baptizing the dead just gives them the choice
>(She's Russian)
Why do you guys fall for the Russian waifu meme? They're quite literally golddiggers.
more like 'profit'
you're all chumps. jesus is fake.
I find this more than a little disturbing...
Regardless of whether you believe he was the son of God, we have historical proof that Jesus existed.
That's muslim-tier behavior...
This is the only religion that I know of that trys to convert dead people to their faith.
>I don't see anywhere in that link that explicitly spells out that they are one being and NOT separate
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>Oh, and you're replying as if I don't know what other faiths believe/that I actually care about any of it
I'm replying this way because either way you're spreading Mormon misinformation,
...and he was a jewish jihadi seditionist who would probably spit at you and call you dirty pagan goy.
If you're looking for fuel to call us heretics based upon your beliefs, here ya go.
We believe that God was once mortal as man is, and that if we strive to live to our fullest potential we may in turn become gods ourselves.
See, this is where it gets confusing at times. "God" in the bible sometimes refers to Jesus, and sometimes to the father. Depends on the verse.
Again, they are one in purpose.
Yeah, Turtledove was actually setting him up for that. Would've made a far more compelling antagonist too instead of carbon copy Hitler Featherston.
Also, a genocide against the Mormons, a small religious minority makes more sense than the CSA trying to exterminate blacks who make up 1/3rd of the population (strategically nonsensical).
Also, the persecution of the Mormons would've made for a good opportunity to compare their situation to Europe's Jews who live in relative safety in TL-191 (outside of Russia). Something like Anne Frank living a normal life in the Netherlands expressing her growing outrage at the plight of the Mormons ("How could those Americans exterminate innocent people like they were vermin! We'd never do that in Europe.").
If Turtledove really wanted to fuck with readers, he could've made her unwittingly fulfill her father's role in OTL by being pen pals with a Mormon American girl, who winds up being sent to a death camp. Anne traveling to the former United States (now under Confederate rule) to discover the girl's fate, and being so moved that she vows to keep her friend's memory alive by naming her own children after the child's family members and arranging to have all their correspondences published. Thereby elevating her to great fame, especially in the Confederate States who see this as moral validation for their cause, but with an incredibly tragic twist.
I'm well aware of all that, again I grew up in SLC for most of my life. It just wasn't relevant given the direction that argument ITT went. And I'm not arguing from my beliefs; I'm arguing directly from the Bible.
>I'm replying this way because either way you're spreading Mormon misinformation
No, I'm telling you what they believe, not that it's correct. The information I'm spreading is objectively true; that they believe this.
Also, the Mormon interpretation still fits within those verses, that the trinity are separate beings that act as one. Oh, and the Mormons also believe the Bible is full of mistranslations, so any of that might be brushed off by them as such. Fun fact though, Joseph Smith actually did a translation of the Bible as well, but it's not considered part of their standard works(they use KJV)
I bring it up solely because that's the thing that seems to set most people off.
Anyway, on a more relevant note, I don't see an issue with the idea that they are three separate beings. Why is it such a problem for you?
Yeah, never quite understood why we use King James.
I'm going to meet some Mormons tommorow. I hope they plug me into Bilderberg group or something like that.
But the Bible IS full of mistranslations. Even a cursory reading in Greek will demonstrate this. I don't read Hebrew but I assume there are mistakes in translating the OT too.
Anyway, it is 3 in the morning here in Utah, and I haven't slept in about 30 hours. So in summary, believe what you think is right. We all have our reasons for it, and it's not my place to judge.
Besides, if we're wrong we'll find out eventually anyway.
I always thought it was so we didn't completely scare off other Christians by using our own version of the bible, but I think the technical reason is because God said so (like every other weird Mormon belief)
>The information I'm spreading is objectively true; that they believe this.
And I've been telling you why they are wrong to believe this.
>that the trinity are separate beings that act as one
But they're not "separate". Jesus/the HS are different manifestations of the ONE God, not "three different beings who all have the same goal". Mormons deny the very essence of God and his nature with this line of reasoning.
> I don't see an issue with the idea that they are three separate beings. Why is it such a problem for you?
Because worshiping three individual beings and refusing to accept that they are one in the same is polytheism, which is turbo heresy for a group that calls themselves Christians (hint: it's why Cathodox+Anglicans don't even consider them as such).
Total lie. We hold Jesus and God infinity times higher than Smith. Smith is just the guy who wanted to find the right church and found out all were corrupted at his time
third part meant for
>Southern Victory
>any European viewpoint at all
giving the turtledove too much credit
DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH MORMONS PLEASE. I was a mormon! They are retarded pussys and very soft! They never talk any politics, in fact they try to ignore you if you do. Not to mention you will get those people knocking on your door every day telling to go to their church to pay tithing, clean the church and help out with activities. DO NOT MARRY ANYONE MORMON THEY WILL FORCE YOU INTO IT. Plus if you say no to them enough times to their invites, they will hate you. Please spare yourself of any Mormons please please please. They suck and they are weirdos.
>not one prophecy in the bible of joseph smith coming
thats the only reason we know jesus is true and some other guy isnt
You must have grown up with some faggy mormons
We 100% vote trump out here and are basically Nazis politically speaking. Yes we frown on race mixing. Yes we are ready for the coming race wars. Yes we are also further right wing than any white people that currently exist. You can live your degeneracy somewhere else then faggot
>not one prophecy in the bible of joseph smith coming
That's not true, the Bible strictly warned of false prophets.
actually this would make a ton of sense, especially if, say, a more militant US does another Mormon expulsion from the Salt Lake valley. They spread across the country, hang out in ghettos and pine about their lost holy land, and pick up high-value depression-proof jobs. There you go. Have the expulsion be after WWI so the Salt Lake Temple's still there getting desecrated, have the Mormon prophet tell everyone they just need to work hard and make friends with the feds so they con get the holy land back again, but here come the gas chambers. Yeah, it would work really well.
>tfw he just made them Muslims instead
>We 100% vote trump
>Yes we frown on race mixing
>getting aggressive and calling people faggot
poor Mormon impression desu
is it true that american mormon girls stay virgin until marriage ?
nice 1
The area of Utah I am in has like 70% Mormons. They are friendly but if you're not Mormon you get isolated a lot. They dont go out of their way to make friends with non Mormons. Overall this place is pretty shit desu
Not all of them do but yeah its very common
>They are friendly but if you're not Mormon you get isolated a lot.
This is sadly true, even in school they were pretty cliquey so most of the people I hung out with growing up were non-Mormons. Do know a few cool Mormons though.
I've seen several of them walking here
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My mom is jack mormon (i.e liberal and lazy version of mormon)
that means she
-Drinks coffee.
-Drinks wine.
-Was on birth control.
-Had premartial sex.
-Doesn't give 10% of her income to the church.
-Believes in ghosts and reincarnation.
-Not racist.
I'm hapa my dad is asian and my mom is white.
I was told I don't have a soul for being asian. Hawaiians are an exception because they are american.
pros and cons from what I've seen.
>Pros
-Not 88 but, pretty 14 at least.
-Can be a good sense of community.
-Not as violent as islam.
>Cons
-It's a jesus cult.
-It makes boys sissies.
-No coffee or tea are you fucking kidding me?
-Aggressive missionaries.
-Keeps you closed minded and loyal.
Mormonism is a blasphemous cult. Joseph Smith was a criminal and fraud, not a prophet. Mormonism will be wiped out during the upcoming Christian revival. It is one of the pillars of US Christian blasphemy which has gone unchecked for generations. Mormons cannot, under any circumstances, be trusted as Christians. They are evil because they seriously misrepresent the teachings of Christ, They will burn in Hell if they don't stop teaching their blasphemy. They serve Satan while pretending it's Jesus. Stay away.
Source: aliens
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Its a lucifieran cult (only evident at the upper levels) - established by the CIA and used to farm children for the army of monarch drones being created by the intel agencies and special access/deep military compounds
You will have a nice family life and supportive community but you will never have free time again.
Whether its cleaning the local ward, visiting other mormons to teach gospel principals, teaching children in the morning or preparing a speech and prayer to deliver in their services.
Mormonism is real intense.
proof/source?