This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. This includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, agorists and right-wing reactionary-ism against the left (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us. Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - this is a thread for those that realise property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values. Although questions are welcome, many of them have already been answered many times, so it is recommended you get to grip with the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to argue with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
THREAD THEME: >hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ >Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw >I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o >Drop It Like It's Hoppe - youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
Do agorists really belong here? They seem like a bunch of fags that just want to sell drugs and import Mexicans for quick cash.
Oliver Cruz
Anyway aside from agorism, good paste.
Austin Turner
What's wrong with agorism? Methods like cryptocurrency and black markets are a good way to depower the state.
Aiden Watson
I guess you could try and bring down the state by selling regular shit on the black market, it just seems that the high profit trades are all degenerate shit like selling drugs, and human trafficking. The state isn't really being undermined unless you're a Mexican druglord, and at that point you're as murderous a monopoly as the state.
Colton Jackson
MOLON LABE O L O N
L A B E
Aaron Cook
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Brandon Robinson
everytime.
Brody Diaz
Prove to me that free healthcare doesn't work.
Ethan Rodriguez
Oy vey, we'll fix the market. It's those damn corrupt businesses. Just let us merge the state with the corporations, that will make sure they can't be corrupt
Dominic Jackson
It works if the goal is to create a state monopoly of healthcare that only the rich can avoid. Oh wait, you're a Democrat. Of course that's the goal.
Evan Foster
Also might I add, healthcare is not free. The doctor still gets paid. Guess who pays him?
Kevin Lopez
By "free" I assume you mean provided for by government enforced coercive confiscation of peoples income. In which case it's not free at all; and generally will have a central body presiding over healthcare which will then fail due to the problem of economic calculation.
Not only it's not free, but it's actually more expensive than private healthcare, because you have to pay, in addition, the gargantuan governmental apparatus. But you commies are just too brainwashed (but most of the times, just plain stupid) to understand this.
Jaxon Bell
>works in every european country >i-it doesn't work guys! At the very least, you can concede that it is still better than America's free market system
Lucas Bennett
>America's free market system t. democratic intellectual
Noah Wright
Dumb Amerifag, you are the one who says it works. I experience it every fucking single day, and NO, it doesn't work. It doesn't, never did and never will.
Mason Butler
Like I said, state healthcare does exactly what its supposed to do. It is a state monopoly on healthcare. In this sense it "works"
America does not have a free market healthcare system, even so it is higher quality than what you see in most Europe.
Ian Bailey
Democrats are no fun. I thought he'd put up more of a fight.
Daniel Jackson
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Cameron Stewart
>Mah Nordic socialism
Michael Diaz
bump
Owen Lopez
ANCAP TRAP HAREMS WHEN?!?!
> bundas for Bitcoin, with some coke and PrEP on the house
Nathaniel Stewart
Do you guys think there's enough of us to stage a coup on the Libertarian party? We could Purge all the left Libertarians and run a campaign for a libertarian dictatorship. It would be pretty sweet.
Eli Ross
Fuck off faggot. You have to go back. Spread your trash somewhere else.
Jayden Taylor
Hey, Britbong here. The NHS is failing, it's horrible, wait times are horrendous. It doesn't 'work', it functions, in spite of all it's flaws, and definitely doesn't flourish because of them like you suggest.
Nordic socialism is a meme, all their wealth came from lassez faire and in reality the socialist polices have only made it worse.
The advances one could make by using such an institution as a working virology lab would be glorious though... All the scenarios for HIV transmission are there, and scientists would have no regulations limiting them... Think of the bigger picture.
Cooper Davis
Do i belong here?
Carter Garcia
That depends. Do you believe that taxation and regulation are the best ways to help the environment, or do you believe that property rights would do a better job at that? If the latter is the case, then you're welcome here
Cooper Sullivan
Eco-capitalism is the ultimate redpill. Hail Musk.
Camden Myers
>do you believe that property rights would do a better job at that?
Would you care to elaborate?
Noah Roberts
I don't care. Fuck off this isn't the Thread for you. Get aids.
Im the art guy who wants to be a dictator. Must reads on eco-capitalism?
Aiden Lopez
Are homosexuals allowed to exist in a libertarian society?
Xavier Thomas
Sure. Just not on anyone's property who doesn't want them there.
Connor Howard
Tks user.
Jace Cox
Damn, I dunno. The two files sent by the british user may be okay, but I dunno.
Hunter Anderson
What If i dont want them near my children?
Adrian Lee
Depends on what standards your covenant and community sets. If we take it for granted that heterosexuality is superiour to homosexuality, then it has the advantage in a free market. That is: >Communities form with different social standards (e.g. pro or anti homo) >Communities that promote good social standards (e.g. heterosexuality) will do better and thus there will be more of them Basically, let the community handle it.
See pic related.
Parker Adams
Fags don't have a right to hang around your children. They can fuck off.
Charles Hill
Then keep your children away from them. You cannot force a property owner to keep them out if he wants them in, though.
Parker Lewis
This is what makes our ideology superior. Every single one can do whatever he wants to do, as long as the property belongs to him and it doesn't violate the NAP. I feel so proud of us guys.
James Price
it's just a small price we have to pay
Ethan Cook
What If they are the teachers in their school and i have no other options?
Robert Barnes
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Alexander Wilson
Did you see my post here?
Ayden Ward
You always have other options in liberland.
Lucas Bennett
But no, your hate for fags cannot get them banned from society at large. That's kind of the point. But if you have a little society of your own, do what you want, just don't violate the NAP.
this. It's the reason why free market exists. You don't want commie mugabe-worshipping shitskins like the BLM idiot who posted before? There will always be someone else you can ask to.
Carter Fisher
>i have no other options That seems like an issue way more common with states. The state currently will enforce employment standards that prohibit discrimination on such criteria. With decentralization freedom of choice is maximized so you should be able to find what you're looking for.
Ryan Peterson
k o r w i n w a v e/10
Matthew Young
ruined a perfectly good blank banshee song/10
Alexander Miller
So, let me see If i understand, Sorry, not native english speaker. If i own the property i can do whatever i want?
Kayden Price
As long as you don't violate the NAP
Thomas Parker
Fuck Donald Trump
Ayden Thomas
That sounds... Pretty awesome.
Ian Walker
Who are these people in pic related?I only knew Hoppe because of memes.
Jackson Johnson
Sry for beeing a newfag, whats the NAP again?
Eli Martin
Rothbard, Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Bastiat, Mises, Hayek.
Jeremiah Collins
Non aggression principle. Just don't be the initiate violence, threaten or steal from people.
Dylan Hill
Murray Rothbard Ron Paul Hoppe Ayn Rand I forget, looks like Friedman but he wasn't really libertarian Ludwig Von Mises Frederic Bastiat Friedrich Von Hayek
Elijah Anderson
thanks!
Isaac Kelly
But if im beeing attacked? Can i bash their skull?
Nolan Gonzalez
There is not enough Ayn Rand in this OP. Add this video, and put mentions of Objectivism, Individualism, and Egoism alongside Capitalism and Paleolibertarianism. Not enough epistemology, Ayn Rand provides this and is the greatest one to provide it.
I had this idea of convincing enough members of the Libertarian and Constitution Parties to effectively dissolve the Parties and, along with key Paleo-Conservative Republicans who hate their cuckservative brethren, star.t a new party in a mass event. I had this idea for a "Meritocratic Party". Declare the Republican Party a failure to the right and vow to push it to the "center" (which I view, essentially, as a giant Middle ground Fallacy anyway) and claim the right in its stead. Invite all Libertarians, Constitution Party members, and Paleocons disgusted with the GOP and form this new Meritocratic Party. It would be necessary to get a bunch of big name supporters to simultaneously endorse it and even convert some big name celebs in a surprise event. Can't be a "minor" party like the old Libertarians, this has to be a threat as a major one on it's inception. Imagine if Trump made this statement while also extending an apologetic olive branch to PaleoConservatism while also expressing his disdain for neocons, RINOs, cuckservatives, and "crypto-Democrats" (as I like to say). Imagine. Got the idea from Bill Whittle's (superold) "Piranha Party" Afterburner. Meritocrat Piranhas? In this new 3 party America the new Republicans in the ""center"" would be able to say the this society is a Constitutional Representative *Republic* and their party simply reflects this reality. So then the Democrats and Meritocrats to either side must say that their intent to do is is to modify the society with more Democracy and Meritocracy to the left/right respectively. The objective evil and inferior of the Democratic part would be made know through simple observation.
See the reason the Libertarian PARTY was a bad idea is because it presents an unclear picture and avenue of attack for the left. An "Authoritarian party" would never be made and for the same reason the Libertarian never should have. Even though Libertarianism is king.
James Jones
Libertarianbros, how do we eliminate the biggest distortion in the world economy: immigration laws?
Chase Hall
Why don't you consider him a libertarian?
Blake Richardson
He's a central bank darling. He was basically a neocon towards the end of his life. Also didn't he have a primary role in setting up the income tax? He was great on espousing the virtues of the free market, but I feel like his other issues preclude me from classifying him as a libertarian. His son is way better imo.
Ian Mitchell
We should close the borders and deport all the communists. Don't be retarded. the state shouldn't be involved with border policy. If we, the people don't want big goverment voting spics flooding our lands we dont have to accept them.
And Rand's, her Egoism is simply superior to Stirner's and both of their Egoism is simply a case of convergent evolution from Aristotle. Which is why Rand said "I acknowledge a sole debt to Aristotle, who was the only philosopher that ever influenced me". By which she meant Aristotle was kept asa debt and all else was discarded. Stirner does indeed delve deeper into Egoism which is why I love the man, but Rand simply used an Egoist base, whose particular flavor she developed herself, and used it to make Objectivism.
Jaxson Edwards
Libertarians, real ones = classical liberalism
anarcho-capitalists are just communists wearing a mask
Ayden Martin
Borders are enforced with government violence. You want to use government force to prevent me from freely associating with "spics".
>He was basically a neocon towards the end of his life. Uwot m8. If you're American you should probably thank him for helping end the draft. Without him you might've ended up dead in a sand dune.
>Also didn't he have a primary role in setting up the income tax? Not sure what you mean. You're getting it confused with his idea of the negative income tax?
Camden Lewis
Open borders is an anti-libertarian concept. We libertarians do not believe in “free migration” as an abstract concept. What we do believe in are property rights and the non-initiation of the use of force.
Open borders is not a lack of intervention, make no mistake in seeing open borders for what it really is: The state claiming a right to choose who may use land that the state does not rightfully own. By indiscriminately allowing immigrants into the state's territory they are granted access to all public property. All roads, housing, schools, hospitals and the list goes on. The state acquires and maintains all of these properties through the initiation of force by means of taxation. Public property is illegitimate.
May I also mention thanks to the civil rights act commercial property owners can no longer discriminate as they see fit. being that these people have open access to live in public housing they cannot be discriminated against when they apply for jobs. it is quite literally forced intergration.
Open Borders is an assault on private property. abolish the welfare state and the civil rights act first.
Ian Murphy
Must've mixed him up with someone else on the Fed. Coulda swore it was him. As for neocon, he was all pro war and wasn't he pro Greenspan as well? I'm pretty sure that Woods show I posted goes into it.
Josiah Kelly
guys please give me libertarian novels, books and tv shows or something
Henry Kelly
according to Block in that Woods show he was in favor of fiat currency and the fed.
Angel Martinez
Fuck off commie
Brandon Powell
>he was all pro war >He supported US involvement in the Second World War and initially supported a hard line against Communism, but moderated over time.[77] However Friedman did state in a 1995 interview that he is an anti-interventionist.[78] He opposed the Gulf War and the Iraq War.[77] In a spring 2006 interview, Friedman said that the USA's stature in the world had been eroded by the Iraq War, but that it might be improved if Iraq were to become a peaceful and independent country.[79]
>pro Greenspan I've heard a lot of people praising him. Just because someone does something beneficial even if it is through something that shouldn't exist and he ends up applauding it I wouldn't discount him as a libertarian. That's like saying he's not a libertarian for trying to improve a dictatorship under Pinochet.
>Woods show I'll watch it. Woods is all right.
Asher Carter
What if I accidentaly violate the NAP emotionally with a grill and want to make piece again with said grill, how does AnCap make it works?
PS: have a membol
Zachary James
thanks bro. I'm redpilling a qt and she is starting to ask me for novels and media. Unfortunately i'm a lowlife dumb redneck and idk what to say. Yhanks.
Jackson Butler
She doesn't give a fuck about politics, she's feigning interest as to not be rude, autist
Austin Williams
Yea he was a monetarist when the fiat currency got implemented. People make mistakes. He then changed his mind and eventually came up with the k-percent rule that basically eliminates bankers fucking with the money supply and interest rates. He also talked about the good cryptocurrencies could do when the internet became a thing.
Lucas Thomas
>Violate NAP emotionally. No such thing. What did you do?
