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>Watching a debate between atheist and Christian intellectuals
>Christian makes a good point
>"But muh crusades"
Why do atheists treat the crusades like some special evil but ignore that 20th century wars weren't caused by religious motivation at all?

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>Watching a debate between atheist and Christian intellectuals
>atheist makes a good point
>"But muh fedora"

Wat a peekah, why they no god....

>Watching a debate between atheist and Christian intellectuals
>Everyone is being stupid

Feels good to be enlightened by my own intellect.

Welcome to your average atheist. Dont expect much intellectual thought from them. They always regurgitate the same nonsense on how violent and ebil religion is.

This has never actually happened though.

I've seen it happen plenty of times on this board, and the slightly different "your an idiot" or "burnin' in HELL" arguments in real life.

I don't, why would you say that about me op?
People did set out to crusade on little more than the say-so of clergy, in that sense it is an argument against certain religions.
I recognize that it's mostly shit jewligions like the Abrahamic ones that are a problem anyway. Religion is fine generally.

What's wrong with the Crusades again? Without it Europe would already be a Muslim majority continent. I'd love to see an atheist speak up in that society.

Religion is bad due to dogma. The 20th century wars were bad due to do dogma. SJWs are bad due to dogma. The Normies oppress the Kekistanis due to dogma.

Dogma is bad. Unconditional belief is bad, because it makes one vulnerable to manipulation. Saying "think this way or else" has harmful consequences.

>posts opinion without sauce
>mfw you reject reality and substitute your own
Ideologyfags.

There aren't any intellectuals on this board though.

>christian
>intelectual
>makes good point

Now without contradictions

it started because Sup Forums atheists were just being annoying instead of critical thinkers so the norm became to just respond with *tips fedora* or something of the sort

Religion is not allways violent, it is stupid, based on kikes and make people follow nonsense (((rules))) jews invented.

because our intellectual intelligence is vastly superior to yours, and we dont give a fuck what happens to anyone, good or bad.

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>Christian makes a good point

Like what ? "it's true because it's written in a book" "you don't know X that means God did it"

"muh crusades" is stupid when used as an argument, an atheist should demonstrate how nonsensical religious beliefs are to anyone with a decent science education, not debate if they are good or evil.

>Christian "intellectuals"
>Christian makes a good point

I don't believe OP, give one example of a good point ever given by a Christian.

>20th century wars weren't caused by religious motivation at all?
You're kidding right? Religion was the driving force behind every major conflict (except Korea and Vietnam)

And yet here you are going "muh scientists". Religious beliefs make perfect sense when you are intelligent enough to understand God's word and see the creation all around you.

Why do both Christians and Muslims seem so dogmatic with their faith? Or am I not seeing all the Shinto, Native American Belief, or Pagan holy wars, forced conversion, and other such dark and dogmatic acts because I haven't read about them?

>I'd love to see an atheist speak up in that society.
You never could. The church killed them all back then. In fact, the last person England put to death for atheism was in the 1650s.

Nowadays, the religious get their feelings hurt by non-believers and go running for their safe spaces. It's embarrassing, really.

>Sup Forums
>Christian/Atheist intellectuals.

Only argument against any of the (((abrahamic))) religions is that they are middle eastern and semetic in origin and have nothing to do with white people.

>the norm became to just respond with *tips fedora*
The church made the fedora fashionable. Pic related

Still has a higher intellectual average than most of the rest of America.

you christcucks are projecting with your fedora talk

Religion gay

>"But muh crusades"
Why would any non-believe have an issue with the Crusades? That's just one nonsensical Abrahamic religion going after another.

Atheists would be far more concerned about the Inquisitions, the burning/drowning of witches, the torture and murder of heretics and period of intellectual deprivation by the various churches we know today as the Dark Ages.

The crusades weren't the only thing. I think the Dark Ages were way worse, they even persecuted pagan scientists like Galileo, christcucks can't defend that

Reminder not one person in the history of humanity has ever killed anyone else because of atheism.

You may now post killers who happened to be atheists or communists killing religious to assert communism ideology.

Well that and it's much more probable for a universe to have spontaneously come into existence in violation of one of the laws of physics than an all powerful all knowing being having come into existence in violation of several laws of physics.
>inb4 God always existed.
While that would be possible if we also violate the physics of time itself, that makes it even more unlikely.
Need more explanations? I have work to do so no guarantee I can reply in time.

>le dark ages repression may may
guess what, you're retarded. even this atheist thinks so.
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That chart implies that by the end of the renaissance, humanity was just as scientifically/technologically advanced as during the Roman empire? Yeah, okay, buddy...

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No one else picked up the slack while we were down and out. I wonder what will happen to this planet once the jews have finished genociding us?

I'm not going to read all that revisionist dribble. Go quote your bible verses in your neighborhood synagogue shitface. Scientific illiterates like you have caused so much damage already, honestly how can you tards believe the Earth is 6,000 years old?

This whole thread is filled with idiots who don't know anything about religion or history

What about the fact they promote slave morality

This so much

You're one of them

Perhaps you can reply to the "idiots" in this thread and show them where they're wrong, instead of just calling everyone else an idiot.

But a lot of 20th century wars -are- driven by theological differences... Just look at the middle East.

I think the main question is: has religion contributed to the world in any positive way. Keep in mind:
>Has to still be applicable. Calming humans down and helping them explain earthquakes 5000 years ago doesn't justify it's existence today
>Has to not be dramatically outshone by other approaches to social interaction. "It brings communities together" falls short when a town hall does the same thing without catalyzing thousands of years of suffering (and is thus vastly preferable to a religious institution)

I would but it would just fall on deaf ears

I'm an atheist too, dickweed. Not sure why I have the Templar flag on right now, though.
>I'm not going to read something that goes against my predetermined beliefs
and that's why your cancer

I'm not atheist. I can follow my intuition to understand if something is right or wrong, this goes beyond so-called "reason" (which is a product of christcuck scheming). They expect debates so they can use rhetorical tricks, but we just need to straight out call them out on their shit like our ancestors did

Protestant propaganda.

>Reminder not one person in the history of humanity has ever killed anyone else because of atheism.
Sure, not "one". Tens of millions, yes, but not just "one".

One day when you get Google, you'll find out what how bone-jarringly retarded you are.

The western perception of 'religion' is a modern conception and these questions never go in the favor of the anti-theist.

>all powerful all knowing being having come into existence
Supernatural beings are a violation of logic. You can believe in them, but they never really exist.

>This user

Atheism isn't a belief. It's a subsection of beliefs and does not constitute an identity. Those atheistic views have spawned tons of deaths though.

That link I posted you is not even a "debate". It's a review of a book full of historically accurate facts posted by an atheist who was tired of people posting that godawful graph.

I'm an atheist (maybe more agnostic now days) on the down low. I think Christianity is the best religion, bow my head at the dinner table when I'm a guest, etc... I don't mention it around friends and family unless it's extremely relevant. I don't understand why fedorafags have to hate religion just to disagree with it. History and the modern left show what a society devolves to when religion isn't pervasive. Most humans are incapable of being moral just for the sake of it or we wouldn't need police and jails. Religion helps keep in check other things that aren't necessarily illegal and gives a society a base set of morals. People point to shit like witch burnings but that was hundreds of years ago and if anything, Muslims, witch doctors, etc....are doing the same or worse right fucking now.

Christianity pretty much has it's shit together these days.

>The dark ages fallacy
Take your low iq strawmans to Reddit

>he thinks western involvement has to do with religion
It's about the money user, always has been

Anti-theist seem to be reactionaries or people who run up against it politically.

You will regret your words when we create our white ethnostate.
my whiteness is not for sale.

religion is unbiased and without desire. whether God exists or not, religion is the only good guidance on morality.

I’m an atheist and I have no problem with the crusades.

You know Islam is a religion right?

You critics of "Christianity" which I would label more specifically as "Institutional State Sponsored Christianity" are pretty much correct on your condemnation of the obvious hypocrisy arising from the Churches approval and use of fear and harm towards men.

State Shinto of Imperial Japan, Aztec human sacrifice, pagans hunting albinos for body parts.

Most atheists only argue against Christianity on a superficial level. They hardly go over the important concepts of individuality that Christianity brought us.
The Crusades are not something I would bring up if I was debating anyone about the merits of Christianity. Like any religion at the time the culture was one of war, and necessarily so. When you take into account the Muslim conquests the Crusade are justified. Also no one mentions at that time around 1200, during the 4th and 5th crusade the mongols were raping and murdering their way across the steppe into Europe and the Middle East. Causing death on a scale the crusaders could only dream of. There is nothing special about them and they are not an argument against the ideas that Christianity helped to spread and thus create the environment for the enlightenment.

yes and it works in saudi arabia. saudi arabians love islam and it matches them there.

>State shinto.
Alright, fair enough.
>Aztec human sacrifice
>Pagans hunting albinos.
I think I should have been a bit more clear, I meant dogmatic in regards to spreading their religion. These seem more like dumbass beliefs.

Christians and Muslims start with holy wars. Pagans don't get holy wars until they reform which the AI virtually never does.

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Do not be a degenerate.

>Atheism isn't a belief. It's a subsection of beliefs and does not constitute an identity. Those atheistic views have spawned tons of deaths though.

No, no and no.
Atheism isn't a subsection of beliefs, it is simply the rejection of theism, end of story. Atheism isn't even anti-theistic (against religion).

While I admit that there are atheists who are also anit-theistic, not all are. It is a "not all fingers are thumbs" situation.

As for the claim that Atheism has spawned tons of death.... HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING PROOF?

>muh stalin, hitler and mao

They didn't abolish Christian faith and worship for atheism (even if they did, they would be anti-theists, not atheists), they abolished it for the worship of themselves and for the worship of the cult like ideas of marxism.

Islam taught in Saudi Arabia convinced 15 people to come to my country and fly planes into the WTC towers

But...violence, death and war give absolute legitmacy for the atheist to discount the churches legitimacy and question even the existence of the churches god, Jesus Christ.

>atheist intellectual

Funny how every atheist considers himself to be an intellectual. What the fuck is there to think about being an atheist? Is just common sense, most of them haven't read any scripture.

>this atheist thinks so.
Historians are convinced by the anthropological and archaeological evidence more than ever that when the churches were at their most powerful, reasoning and scientific advancement were at their lowest ebb.

> hey abolished it for the worship of themselves and for the worship of the cult like ideas of marxism.

And that's natural. The human mind needs to believe in something.
If God is abolished they will seek other idol.

Intellectual is a kike buzzword.
It means nothing besides masturbation of the ego.

your intellect is like that of dolan

>Those atheistic views have spawned tons of deaths though.
According to Stalin, the Orthodox church (of which Ioseb Jughashvili was formerly a seminary student) was plotting to overthrow the new government and install a new Tzar.

>But...violence, death and war give absolute legitmacy for the atheist to discount the churches legitimacy and question even the existence of the churches god, Jesus Christ.

Can you explain how it does? Violence is not something specific to Christianity or Islam. Religion does not have to exist for violence and most violence is not done in the name of religion. Even when their were very religious theocracies an argument can be made for greed and conquest being the main factor for war.

I'm an atheist but I grew up that way, never been to church outside of wedding/funerals. I still read the scriptures at least once a week if not more. I even went to youth group for a bit with friends. Christianity is dear to me even if I cannot believe in God or that Jesus was killed and resurrected.
Being an Atheist requires you to think about Ethics a lot more. Since there is not religious guidelines. Though I think the Bible is great start and is certainly import for understand western ethics. I hate that most atheists have never read it, and they only look for the contradictions or take a story literally and use that to show how evil it is, instead of looking for the meaning in those stories.

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That individual was stupid with a bad argument if their best argument had anything to do with crusades. That's worse than dindus bringing up slavery. (((Christians))) aren't quite as mindless as Muslims, but don't pretend they aren't neck and neck for dumbest cunts on earth

shoo shoo filthy rat

>Atheism isn't a subsection of beliefs, it is simply the rejection of theism, end of story.

Well yes, but HOW you deny theism is very important. Hence it is used as a header for kinds of beliefs. Saying "I'm an atheist" says absolutely nothing by itself because of how varied theism is. And yes, atheism isn't anti-theism.
>As for the claim that Atheism has spawned tons of death.... HOW ABOUT SOME FUCKING PROOF?


Reign of Terror, Marxist anti-clerical violence, and the like. The intent WAS very explicitly to fight off threats to teaching secularism and naturalism. Naturalism is the most common modern form of atheism.

>Christian makes a good point

thinking your smater than people who talk about ideas using silly arguments ..your silly..cuck

U wot. How?
If that were the case then the Reign of Terror would have debunked secularism a long time ago.

there are tons of debates on this board that arnt quite this retarded tho remember fags /pol is a christo board with a deep history of conspiracy never forget the old fag know

[Citation needed]
The church at its strongest would be before the fall of Rome and the high middle ages into the renaissance by the way.

>Christian makes a good point
It's rare you know. To the point I've never seen this occuring even once.

the crusades were necessary to fend off the muslim horde's. its as simple as that.

This is what *tips fedora* refers to in my mind, it's not a criticism of atheism itself but the thoughtless regurgitating of pop media talking points like muh dark ages or sky wizard. It's true the meme is overused but it's still usually used appropriately.

According to Stalin and Lenin, state atheism would be enforced. You give too much credence to hearsay.

what historians historians are known for being un accepting truth deniers and for following a thin veil of truth that prescribes tho the narrative they have in mind

>Christian
>Makes a good point
Pick one

I don't understand the kind of athiest who would be willing to debate. Of course I know they are many of that still but still. The whole point, at least for me, is to reject the idea of organized religion and faith based belief. Once you're engaging in trying to convince others of your non-belief you're just doing the same thing from the other side of the fence.

Not stumbled into a Catholic General during the 3 years or so they've been happening, eh?

>I hate that most atheists have never read it
Nearly all the atheist I've met were formerly believers who read the bible and discovered a lot that the church just could not gloss over. But atheist means you don't believe in Elohim, Allah, Yeshiva, angels, demons, Satan, etc. or any of the gods of any other religions.

>Though I think the Bible is great start and is certainly import for understand western ethics.
The opposite is true. At every turn the bible distorts what proper ethics should be.

In the Parable of the Talents, who does the "master" represent?

No, Atheists don't. Crusades were the inevitable result from mudslim harassment. Only difference now, is that back than people got fucked right back.

Also Christian intellectual? Those terms are mutually exclusive.

Only reason why its brought up is to show other religions capable of starting holy wars, but that idea is as antiquated as the crusades themselves. Sure people p7sh agendas, but Islam fucks are the last mainstream relgious cancer. Christianity evanesced in most of the relevant world. US is catching up with the death of baby boomers.

Well they wouldn't want anything competing with the state. They were probably scared that a Christian is liable to remember he is a man and his salvation depends on him acting according to his conscience and not just follow orders blindly. Communism is a cult of the state and they wanted no rivals.

>Also Christian intellectual? Those terms are mutually exclusive.


Why is r/atheism here so much today?

I guess Jesus' words and life compared to the violence, torture, war etc that the church and christians have done