SEATTLE MINIMUM WAGE HIKE IS A DISASTER

fee.org/articles/seattles-minimum-wage-has-been-a-disaster-as-the-citys-own-study-confirms/

WOW IT'S ALMOST AS IF THINGS TURNED OUT EXACTLY AS ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE OF FORESIGHT THOUGHT IT WOULD

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This really activates the almonds. What a complete surprise that business owners are cutting hours worked and total staff

>oy veyy goy dont ask for higher wages its pointless
who could be behind this post?

It's important that somebody does it anyway, though so we can point to it when they don't believe us.

Kind of like UBI in Canada. Let's see what happens, shall we?

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God, it's like liberals don't understand how economies work and how no one is going is either going to pay higher prices or cut shit out to stay afloat.

Minimum wage going up to $14 here next year, $15 in 2019.

I remember a lot of leftists in comments saying:
>if you can afford $16/hour you aren't really a business.

prepare for the food servicocalypse

Anyone that's taken economics 101 knew this would happen, wish this shit was taught mandatory in high school.

What's it now? To be fair if you believe in having a minimum wage at all, it's much better to inch it up over time so businesses can plan and adjust rather than getting whacked with a big jump and having to dump something to keep going.

Wait so are you saying Econ 101, Law of Supply and Demand, is actually true? Woah. It's like, who could have predicted this? I thought we could pay everyone $1,000,000 an hour and capitalists are just mean.

>spending more money is usually not a good idea

who would have fucking thought goy

>You may also hear that the construction of the comparison group was flawed somehow, and that’s driving the results. I believe that the research team did as good of a job as possible, trying several approaches and presenting all of their findings extensively. There is no cherry-picking here. But more importantly, without getting too deep into the econometric weeds, my sense is that, given the evolution of the Seattle economy over the past two years, these results – if anything – *understate* the extent of the job losses.

When you read excuses you know you're reading bullshit

It's all going to come to an end soon. Once the unskilled labor is automated away and millions of people are left to roam the streets homeless the real class war will start.

The next economic reset is coming. The rich never learn. History seems set to repeat itself again.

>it's like liberals don't understand how economies work
They really don't. I was listening to a well meaning liberal try to describe this Seattle situation on the radio today. He had no concept of policies that were devaluing labor like illegal immigration. Every probably was totally independent of itself. This is probably a strategy to avoid cognitive dissonance. "We can do nothing to avoid Chinese slave wages now."

Increasing minimum wage may be intended to improve the quality of life, but it is the wrong way to do it. You need to do what Netherlands does and make it cheap to hire workers while sibsidizing wages through government benefits. Wealth and standard of living is only raised when people make things.

>Kind of like UBI in Canada. Let's see what happens, shall we?
They'll call it a success no matter what happens. But pic related is what will really happen if it actually goes through for the entire country

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yahoo.com/news/seattle-minimum-wage-study-utter-204545314.html

>yes g-guys don't fight for higher wages, it's bad for you

OP you shill

Too bad this time the rich can just get Mr.Roboto to blast your ass. Having an underclass will be unnecessary soon, but resources will always be limited.

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You can't just do it on a municipal level, there needs to be at least state-level wage standards otherwise businesses will just leave the city districts and open up a few miles away, beyond the authority of the restrictions. Any businesses that can't move will just cut hours and staff and force the remaining staff to work harder.

Futurama was so underrated. I thought it was lame when I was a kid, but then I went back and watched some in my 20s and was blown away at how funny and insightful it was.

I do not disapprove of a minimum wage increase.

But perhaps a near 100% increase is a bit rash?

Wont be so easy. In america guns are everywhere. The poor wont be so easily disposable and the poor here far outnumber the rich.

This. Why the fuck are to guys DOUBLING your minimum wage?

I know Brazil is hardly an economic model, but we do it by increments. Yesteryear it was 880 of local currency, this year is 930.
Imagine if the government were to double that? The customer service sector alone, which employs thousands, would be cut close to half.

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checked and besides, it's already pretty well settled that the military isn't going to go along with that kind of mess.

15$/h was wage of an apprentice here
Now it will be a wage of hs dropout

you cant just dictate the value of anything based on assumption or whim. The market has to decide it.
Increasing the minimum wage simply devalues the money because you raised the bottom bar, which means that the lowest wage value to base all prices around is now higher.

If you want wages to go up, you have to make labor scarce. Once labor is in demand, businesses will have to allocate funds to fight for workers.

that's nothing in canuck bucks

merica will be flooded with leaf migrants after losing their jobs to robots
get trump on the phone, we have to build TWO walls...

>businesses will just leave the city districts and open up a few miles away,
I've got just the solution to keep your economic resources from fleeing control.

We can just line the border with a CRC (Canadian Repulsion Compound) like high fructose corn syrup-based pancake syrups

> Shit all over the idea of minimum wage hikes
> Demands higher wages for doing shitty blue collar work

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>Tyler (((Cowen)))

minimum wage exists almost exclusively for service sector jobs which are infinitely easier than blue collar work

>infinitely easier than blue collar work
Because listening to entitled burgerfat niggers like yourself is just so easy and so salutary.

Go ask for a raise yourself. No one is stopping you from talking to your boss but if you try to push it through mandates, well, enjoy the backlash it causes. People already got fucked once when full-time employees were forced to get healthcare, causing companies to cap people at 34/35 hours. Now it's worse.

When a retarded nigger like you has worked 80+ hour weeks of backbreaking labor 6-13 days in a row (and then only getting one day break before going back into it), you can talk to me. Until then, get the fuck out.

>No one is stopping you
except the illegals you kikes let in.

israel needs to open its borders and embrace diversity.

>is so proud of his being cucked to an unconscionable schedule
Have you considered killing yourself rather than being such a proud little buttboy to capital?
>nazbol flag now filtered

How the fuck are illegals stopping you from asking for a fucking raise? Maybe you shouldn't be shit at your job or have a shit job that illegals flood.
t. Lab Technician

Key, just click on their links to studies in this article, they first one in which they claim "Workers stay on the job longer" also states "We find that minimum wages have a sizable negative effect on employment flows but not on stocks." I hope someone with more patience than me can go through all these links and point out their bullshit.

it's interesting to see this thread every day, and every day it's the same shit.

people deserve a living wage. the same assholes who screech about people getting gibs and food stamps and cry about their taxes going to these things are the same people who are against people having enough money to survive. what the fuck is wrong with you people.

fuck you and all of your 'i've got mine, now you get yours' mentality. the entire system is designed to keep poor people poor. there is enough shit for everyone. give people a fair wage to live on and they wouldn't need gibs. why don't you shitheads understand this?

There's literally nothing wrong with asking for a raise. The worst that happens is your boss gets to hear that his employees feel underpaid, and if he's biting his tongue about why you don't even deserve your existing wage then maybe you'll get to have a productive discussion about expectations.

>Workers stay on the job longer
>We find that minimum wages have a sizable negative effect on employment flows but not on stocks
The second statement is the technical version of the second statement. Employment flows = turnover. Employment stocks = workforce.
You are not qualified to comment on this paper. Rake yourself.

This is a fucking tragedy. There are so many people who support a minimum wage but reject the notion of a "living wage" and they'll be completely ignored in this whole debate.

Just switch your flag to the flag of the USSR like most other commies so I know to just ignore you instead of reading your long ass post next time.

NU-huh, reddit said the WashingtonPost is just Alt-right propaganda

>How the fuck are illegals stopping you from asking for a fucking raise?
My standard of living isn't living in a apartment with 15 other people.

poo in loo Seattle socialists BTFO

Can I ask why American states and Canada suddenly have this huge boner for minimum wage? From what I remember you guys usually refer to us (aka socialist nordic countries) as some democratic happy paradise but even we don't have minimum wages. At least Finland, Sweden and Denmark have no set minimum wage for sure and I see those mentioned as examples in your media often for 'happiness' or whatever. How do they even support it when ever our blatantly communist governments don't go that far?

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$11.40, I think.

>you can't be free without socialism guys

i work at shart in mart and live in a house on a lake and have two cars

its not that hard just get gud

So are you telling me you actually work a shitty retail or restaurant/fastfood job or are you just using that to frame whatever shit argument you're bringing forth? If not tell me what job you work that is infested with illegals to the point where you can't even ask for a raise and you suck so much at that your'e equally worth the same as an illegal.

for the majority of our history the min wage has been around 15 USD (with inflation taken in to account)

it's only in the last 30 years that this has changed. why is it a bad idea when 15 /hr had almost always been the case. who stands to gain from not paying a fair wage to workers? after all, you need consumers to be able to afford your products and if they have more money they spend more. (where as rich just sit on it and hide it overseas)

>How the fuck are illegals stopping you from asking for a fucking raise?
cant ask for one or you get fired, dumbass.

cheap labor = shit pay.

Because the communists took over the US as well, especially about 100 years ago, even though there are still a lot of regular people here.

That's kind of a big jump percentage-wise. I bet a lot of people are running numbers to figure out if that's going to put them into the red, changing future plans, etc.

I don't know the answer other than that we've had minimum wages for a long time so people are used to having it.

Our work force is also way less unionized than Nordic countries so the argument is that the government needs to step in to "protect" workers

Minimum wage is fucking retarded

>Implying liberals ever learn
1-True 15$ an hour has never been tried!
2-They didn't do it properly.
3-Repeat same mistake expecting different result

They're not. It's Capitalism telling him he's so fucking worthless that he's no better than a foreign worker who can't even speak the English language. Adapt or you can continue and cry like a faggot on this site. If you do it hard enough the orange peasant might actually drop a job in you lap lel.

this

i'm not a commie, faggot. i took my flag off. i don't support communism. i am all for meritocracy. but it is stifled here by shit like nepotism. the US literally throws out trillions of tons of food a year, and yet people are still going hungry. there are acres of land with millions of empty houses with nobody living in them, yet we have homeless on the street.

maybe if you left your little faggot ivory tower and saw what reality looks like, you'd see that there are people who fucking need help. people who can't stand on their own. maybe go donate some of your time and voulenteer at a soup kitchen, you'll learn really fast why the fuck people need to be paid a decent fair living wage.

YOU GOTTA LOVE RIGHT WING RETARD BILLIONAIRE GLOBALIST CORPORATE SHILLS.

They will literally argue that 2.9% unemployment and booming wages is a bad thing because a few mom and pops cut a few hours.

>dont touch me

Is there no top-up from the state? Or is it that easy to have one's basic needs paid for?
Americans are just resistant to working together on anything. It's a psychosis that goes way back.

>i am all for meritocracy.
Meritocracy is a fucking meme, dude. It is not a stable state. It always degrades into nepotism or cronyism, always.

Right wing retard billionaire globalist corporate shills are so desperate to fight against higher wages. Really makes me think who (((you))) right wingers fight for.

This study was debunked btw.

Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.

marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26

exactly this. nailed it. Right wingers fight to work for as little as possible so that their wealthy elite overlords can have it all

liberals tease conservatives for being money-grubbing selfish assholes, then ignore them completely on topics they're assumed to know most about.
really makes you think.

>Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue

>I'm not a commie!
>The state should provide our needs!

Okay

Seattle has a 2.8% unemployment rate. You billionaire globalist corporate shills are really fucking desperate.

Seattle city is 2.9%

>fee.org
Seems legit

No you faggot. Nobody blames jews for this. You need to quit being a fucking dripping vagina and find a viable career path. Otherwise, go behind a dumpster and die. Noone feels sorry for you and you deserve nothing further.

If you can't feed yourself you don't deserve to live, try googling the definition of deserve. Seriously, never revieved minimum wage in my life, even when I was 16 still in high school, if you work for minimum wage it's because you're actually retarded.

fucking kek. i just got my first job and its nice making the CT minimum (10.10) but a higher minimum wage really does fuck the economy though

Right wingers are so desperate to work for as little as possible. Really makes you think who these retards work for.

WTF I HATE 2.9% UNEMPLOYMENT NOW!

bls.gov/eag/eag.wa_seattle_md.htm

no it doesnt

>9gag
Get out.

>replying to the obamaleaf

>asking for a raise gets you fired
In what fucking world do you live in and what shitty job are you talking about? When I was 18 I asked for a raise in Macy's or I'd quit and they gave me one with promises of getting more raises if I stayed there longer. I was the only one to have gotten a raise in the department I was in in years. Even had a jackass who had worked there for multiple years and he quit when he found out. From what I see you all are just too much of chickenshits to ask for raises or are working jobs that are even shittier than Macy's.

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Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Why would lefties lie about something so easy to debunk?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States#History
>In 1933, the Roosevelt administration made the first attempt at establishing a national minimum wage, when a $0.25 per hour standard was set as part of the National Industrial Recovery Act. However, in the 1935 court case Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States (295 U.S. 495), the US Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional, and the minimum wage was abolished. In 1938, the minimum wage was re-established pursuant to the Fair Labor Standards Act, once again at $0.25 per hour ($4.23 in 2015 dollars[9]). In 1941, the Supreme Court upheld the Fair Labor Standards Act in United States v. Darby Lumber Co., holding that Congress had the power under the Commerce Clause to regulate employment conditions.[10]

The minimum wage had its highest purchasing power in 1968, when it was $1.60 per hour ($10.88 in 2014 dollars).

There is a simple way, no need to involve government on shuffling around money. eliminate income tax on those below a certain rate. similar to the UK on the first 11,500 pounds

If only we could pay people nothing then everyone could have a job.

>source: some faggot on twitter

you're slipping Obama Leaf

Eliminate the income tax altogether. Congress already confirmed that it doesn't pay for anything.

but the state already does provide needs - for literally every single armed forces member. food, clothing, housing, healthcare, all of it. that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone, but to clothe, feed, house, and take care of the average citizen, they should be on their own? fuck em? explain yourself.

>If you can't feed yourself you don't deserve to live
a fucking leaf

I'll be watching you starve from space. get fucked losers.

Lol

yea but the business owners will just use visas and walls are soo expensive. those business owners employ tons of workers outside that wall. They compete with other employers on the other side of the wall raising wages for the employees(boo!)

the chart is sourced

I honestly think you billionaire globalist corporate bootlicker shillcucks are pathetic. You promised mass layoffs and skyrocketing unemployment. Instead employment boomed and the unemployment rate so you shills are so desperate that you have to post a fake news study about how a few small mom and pops cut a few hours. Absolutely pathetic.
Michael Reich, a professor at Berkeley’s Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics, said the new Seattle study is flawed and should not be taken at face value. He argued the sample size is too small and excludes large-chain restaurants.

The report “is problematic” and its conclusions “unwarranted,” he said. Reich co-authored a recent study that argued Seattle’s higher minimum wage did not hurt employment.

marketwatch.com/story/seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-actually-cost-restaurant-workers-study-finds-2017-06-26