Red Pill me on the Spartans and their faggotry

Red Pill me on the Spartans and their faggotry.
>Rampant homosexuality and Pedophilia.
>Still one of the most powerful military's in history and one of the most powerful ancient Greek city-states.
>How?
I am repulsed by faggotry as biology intended. Homosexuality is a disease that overall decays a society from within. However I'm curious as to what Sup Forums would argue when it comes to the Spartans. Is this just more Marxist propaganda that was fed to me in university?

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theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
youtube.com/watch?v=p1SlBlB5pzU
youtube.com/watch?v=gFEgTrrtzik
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
greeklaws.com/pubs/uploads/200.pdf
ekivolosblog.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/η-νομοθεσια-του-σολωνα-και-του-λυκουργ/
el.wikisource.org/wiki/Βίοι_Παράλληλοι/Λυκούργος
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycurgus_of_Sparta
kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu
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You're looking at them through a modern lens. The Spartan men were intimate with eachother but it had nothing to do with sexual perversion, it was a means of bonding.

Being a fag is still being a fag regardless of it's means.

>they were good warriors...but
Never kept up with innovation

Greeks would later visit them to see, how things were in the "olden days"

They had no modern definition or stigma of modern homosexuality because it wasn't the same. Dominant/passive were used. To get fucked was bad. To be the one fucking wasn't bad.

It must have sucked being the fat kid growing up. Didn't you ever play on a sports team? I've grabbed more male ass than I ever will female, because that's what dudes do. We're hyper sexual, especially in high school because puberty. This social structure has been going on for ten's of thousands of years, and if you struggle with simple patterns, you may actually be, in every sense of the word; autistic.

>if you didn't play grabass in the shower at high school you might be an autist

k.

Could have just said you were a fag and skipped the blogpost.

I actually hate Gr**ks but the Amerifat OP is also a retarded fuck
I don't know who to insult

Take this with a grain of salt but I once heard Spartan brides would usually shave their heads and wear men's clothes because their husbands were so used to faggotry they couldn't get it up for women.

Yeah, that was pretty much the point. Greeks did it, Roman's did it, even Sup Forums's precious Nazi's did it. If you're not the most sexually dominant person in the room, you're a second rate beta bitch. Ask anyone who isn't part of your pasty, flabby, friend group.

Could have just said you're a sexually repressed sad boy and saved us this whole thread. Yet here we are.

Yeah and the empire of Rome collapsed because of low birth rates due to degeneracy, among other things.

>Justifying homosexuality as dominance.
You must be a jew.

In modern terms, nothing gay bout gettin your dick sucked. Suckin dick's ultra gay though

This.

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Mediterranean sexuality was and to some extent still is rather different than today. And of course keep in mind a lot of historical accounts include hearsay and exaggeration. Spartans mocked Athenians for fucking boys, for instance.

This
The Spartans, the Greeks in general, the Romans, and most of antiquity sans the Hewbrews did not view homosexuality the way we do now.
It was all apart of a sexual-superiority totem pole where at the top you had the guy who fucked other guys in the ass and guys who fucked women and boys, and at the bottom you had guys who got fucked by guys, and guys who gave girls cunnilingus. It had less to do with sexuality and everything to do with showing who was the alpha male

Of course, if you're just going to ignore the historical context and instead keep preaching to the choir about homos while simultaneous act like a raving retard, go nuts, faggot.

The Saudis are a living example of the clash between modern ideas of homosexuality and ancient ideas of homosexuality. It's about penetration.

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/

Thru-out the anchent world Homosexuality was vied differently. The Romans also had sex with other men, boys, young girls. The Spartans may have fought so well because they were not only protecting their friends but lovers. They also fought well because of training. We are of a different time and value system, if you think different you are degenarate. Would you fuck a 6yo it's something like that !!?

The Spartans where the least gay Greeks. Bi sexuality was OK to them but homos where not. Your thinking of the other Greeks.

Again, social patterns. You don't understand them, and base your opinions off of a book only 2,000 years old. Homosexuality has been around for a long time. It wasn't until Jesus was bullied, raped and nailed to a cross that Christians decided it was wrong. But by all means, ignore Ten's of thousands of years, societal norms and culture because you think dick is icky. No wonder you were the beta bitch, you can't even grasp history.

Bend over bitch boy!

You guys are a bunch of closet homos and you know it.

>pedophilia
Well, yes. But it's more complicated.

There was also Sacred Band of Thebes which were absolute elite of greek military forces and was composed of pairs of male lovers. You can't really look at ancient stuff through modern lenses. For example emperor Hadrian was undeniably gay and romans didn't mind that. But they also hated emperor Heliogabal for his faggotry. Their standards were completly alien to modern ones.

For the most part Spartans looked down on homosexuality unlike the other Greeks you guys are getting confused.

>Faggotry was ok back then.
>But isn't ok now.
ok kike

This is true. Is it really hard for people to grasp that sexuality has changed over the years? Still thi, if you like to take it in the ass, your a fag. Now or then.

Is making animal sacrifices to Yahweh still ok? Are jews still choosen people?

Dudes are so gay in high school we whipped eachother with towels and slid around the showers after football practice. Totally gay but not really. If you didn't have a bonding experience with a sports team during high school you wouldn't know what me and are talking about

That being said they didn't butt fuck eachother or anything right? I know for instance in Plato's Republic he mentions it being normal to kiss someone you care for, male or female but at the same time looked down on degenerate behavior that didn't meet a need for the republic.

>I know for instance in Plato's Republic he mentions it being normal to kiss someone you care for
That was extremly common, in some places it still is. Russians are into that. It's not considered any more sexual than a hug would be.

Read a book, it wasn't all Thermopylae and shield walls.

Faggotry is fine now. I don't give a shit where you put your dick. I don't give a shit about you in general. You could die tomorrow and you would be nothing to me but another dead body. You're too obsessed with other people, and where they put their penis in their spare time. That's why you'll always be a beta bitch.

>Bi-sexuality was OK to them but homos where not.
First off, it's the same thing. If you fuck men then that's de facto, gay. Second, do you actually think the majority of Greeks who participated in gay sex were exclusively gay?

Ok closet fag.

Damn, post so good you had to fuck up just to post it twice. But hey, you practice what you preach. It's no wonder you can't even manage a simple captcha post system. Careful with that autism user, I can actually see you slipping further; in this thread alone.

Thread theme
youtube.com/watch?v=p1SlBlB5pzU

>pedophilia
pubescent persons are not kids

As a joke. Did you give him a handy as a joke though? Did you present you boipussy to him? Fucking hope not.

Nah, outside of squirrel taps, and beaver tails we usually just stuck to grab ass and challenging each other to prove who had the biggest dick. It's high school not your pornhub search history.

>at the bottom you had guys who got fucked by guys, and guys who gave girls cunnilingus
What. not giving it is super weird and confusing

You're thinking of the movie "300".

>Not you pornhub search history
YOU were the one defending this behavior in antiquity, which went far beyond mild ass grabbing an went more along the lines of what I mention. Sorry maybe I shouldn't comment from a position of actual knowledge and rather go at it from a retarded dude-bro angle.

If any Greek anons are in here, I want to thank your ancestors for fighting off the Persian sand nigger hordes and defending the rest of Europe at that time.

Without them we might all be part Persian.

Consider your debts paid.

Better theme
youtube.com/watch?v=gFEgTrrtzik

>>Rampant homosexuality and Pedophilia.
Fake news.

Read up on Lycurgus of Sparta Laws and you will understand that your ''facts'' come from (((hollywood))) or similar bullshit.

>The best way to normalize degeneracy is to make it seem like it happened in other infamous societies.

The ancient Celts mostly regarded homosexuality as degenerate. It was supposed to have been a crime punishable by death.

Because they were more willing to protect their lover next to them in phalanx which pushed them further and made them more disciplined.

Did you go to catholic school or something user? Is that why you were sexually abused in the showers by other males? That is how a lot of people become fags like you.

greeks are homo

You're confusing Spartans with the Thebes.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

I wasn't asking someone who thinks it's ok to fuck goats and 9 year olds.

This still happens in today's Army. Only true vets have played gay chicken.

It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.

>between 24% and 90% ...

What?

>It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.
My apologies, but that reply only makes sense if I was anything like you.

>I'm not gay I just do sexual stuff with dudes.

It was a crime in ancient sparta also.

Modern times have translated stuff like Xenophon's symposium VIII, 55 'εραστης' to mean 'lover' instead of 'trainer'. Because that's what it means in modern Greek. However that is not the case.

No, I went to 90% white public school in the suburbs with a graduating class of less than 250.

>I know you are but what am I

I'm straight, I'm just comfortable with my sexuality. I've never fucked a dude, nor have I ever been fucked. That doesn't mean I'm uncomfortable with gay dudes.

>The most powerful
Yeah a nation with a shit Navy and a 9 to 1 slave ratio was the most powerful.

Worthless kike. You wish you had a warrior culture but you're just a bunch of subversive faggots.

>I'm comfortable doing sexual stuff with dudes. But totally straight.
ok go back to plebbit now

You're welcome.

Keep in mind there was no pedophilia in ancient Greece either. It's all a hoax. Xenophon in his Lakedemon politia II, 13 says:
''Ει δε τις παιδός σώματος ορεγόμενος φα-νείη, αίσχιστον τούτο θεις εποίησεν εν Λαkεδαίμονι μηδέν ήττον εραστάς παιδιkών απέχεσθαι ή γονείς παίδων ή kαι αδελφοί αδελφών εις αφροδίσια απέχονται».''

Quoting Lycurgos, the law-maker, meaning that
>Made a law that the trainers would distance themselves from sexual relationships with the children as will parents and brothers

loosely translated. There were laws and the laws were more strict than faggots in Canada and USA now who normalize it. Of course they want to make it seem like Greeks were degenerates too, it's an excuse.

I'm comfortable scuba diving, but I've never been. That doesn't make me a scuba diver.

That's true. But doing sexual things with men, makes you a fag. It's not very complicated.

Thanks user. I'll look do some research on this. Any resources you'd recommend would be appreciated.

They still wrecked the vaunted Athenian navy multiple times. Mainly because of how cancerous their democracy was.

You asked
>Is this just more Marxist propaganda that was fed to me in university?
in your op, did you read anything I posted or you just don't give a shit after all, just fishing for homosexual comments? I may not bother more.

The only interesting thing about Sparta is how the rise of Athens threatened them geo politically, so they were forced into war with each other.

Even to this day the Peloponnesian War is still used in military colleges as an example of inevitable war between superpowers.

Ι am afraid I have only the greek transcripts.
greeklaws.com/pubs/uploads/200.pdf

ekivolosblog.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/η-νομοθεσια-του-σολωνα-και-του-λυκουργ/

el.wikisource.org/wiki/Βίοι_Παράλληλοι/Λυκούργος

Also try to find ''Constitution of the Spartans'' by Xenofon.

What else did you think this thread would be about? Beta shut ins don't actually care if present logic facts. He only did this in a vain attempt to stroke his own ego based on society's perception of homosexuality. Every single one of his posts screams insecurity. He hasn't backed up a single point, he's just throwing a tantrum and calling others names.

Oh and like I said earlier, anything you got on him

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycurgus_of_Sparta

Thanks I'll read up on what I can here.

Please fuck off already queer. I wasn't asking for blogposts justifying and defending highschool faggotry in the guise of being alpha I was looking for information. Fortunately at least one user had something good to post.

That's just Athenian propaganda. Sparta had much more lax dress rules for women and also demanded some level of physical training from them. So a short chiton that in Athens were only for men was a norm in Sparta for younger women.

Thanks again already saved. I'll read up on this tomorrow

This Vodkaposter is correct.

>>Still one of the most powerful military's in history and one of the most powerful ancient Greek city-states.
LOL no, they got their shit pushed in even with Leonidas by The Sacred Band of Thebes.

Oh, do you want to hear another brilliant piece of Athenian propaganda?
>Visit Acropolis
>Overhear modern athenian bitch guide talking to chinese tourists
>Tells them Athens won the Peloponesian war and that Pericles built the Parthenon to piss off the Spartans
Almost got a stroke, then I wonder about the misinformation out there...

The shorter hair also meant they were married, and thus taken so potential suitors would not try and get with that shit. When you have an entire population that is soldiers until age 60 fights over courting misunderstandings can get pretty bad.

Spartans were fine with sharing their wives with other Spartans so long as both agreed.

What kind of fake news is this? Leonidas was dead long before the Sacred Band of Thebes formed. Check the dates.
>480 BC
>Sacred Band first saw action in 378BC
Are there any non-shitpost comments in here?

Umm... no you're not thinking of Spartans. They were quite different from the other greeks and mocked because of it. The power dynamics did not allow for the soldiers to play power games like this. Though they had similar values to other greeks at the time about power they exercised it completely differently.

You must Remember life expectancy was significantly shorter back then as well so pedophilia did not have the same connotations today.
Second your law has some connotations to it, worth mentioning. Slaves weren't people they were property so they didn't count. It also is directly counter to the athenian practice boys taking on tutors and paying them with sexual favors, it also frowns on casual incest which was getting to be a problem in some greek city-states at the time moderate records were being kept. All in All the Spartans were mostly straight culturally, with relatively few interlopers who would be generally driven from the city.

You would do well to study the ancient shitposters user.

www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm
kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu

>Sup Forums education
Welp, time for me to fly off.

>You must Remember life expectancy was significantly shorter back then as well so pedophilia did not have the same connotations today.
Yes of course I do, but Spartans DID NOT rape or have sex with 9 year olds as many imply here. 9 year olds were still children regardless of era.
If you mean the 12-18 argument, yes both men and women were considered ''adults'' at the age of 12+.
Also remember that Mehmed II, over 1500 years later, took the City at the age of 21.

>All in All the Spartans were mostly straight culturally, with relatively few interlopers who would be generally driven from the city.
Exactly. Also thanks for the links.

Bless Hurculeum they even named the Jew.

((:caput acutum cum nasone longo et corona, gryllus?))
"pointed head with long nose and garland wreath, caricature?"

Lets be honest here, no one in this thread is qualified to give a lecture on this subject, so why pretend you can?

>implying grabbing other mens assess is gay
>implying whipping other naked men with a wet towel is gay
>implying being naked and hanging out with a bunch of other naked dudes is gay
>implying showering with other men is gay

lol, clearly you have never been on an american sports team

Actually the band was formed but not under the name and they did beat Leonidas.

Yeah the Turkraoches are definitely in denial about how homo they are

Polybius 12.6b.8
Xenophon, Constitution 1.7-9
Plutarch, Lycurgus 15.6-9

In Greece, back in those days, what's the one thing more manly than having sex with a woman? Having sex with a man. Of course it's dominance

Sparta did nothing wrong and filthy Athenian apologists should hang

Sucking dick only became an issue when it went from being a hobby to a political stance. Also fags back in the day still had kids.

Faggotry has changed.

>Modern times have translated stuff like Xenophon's symposium VIII, 55 'εραστης' to mean 'lover' instead of 'trainer'.
Not exactly! Erastes meant also lover but it wasn't used as a sexual act epithet most of the times. Here's an example from the famous Pericles' Funeral Oration (Thucydides):
«εραστάς γιγνομένους αυτής» ("erastas gignomenous autes") which means
"love her (her = THE CITY OF ATHENS) with erotic passion"
>inbound Greeks were having sex with marbles, houses, stones n sheit
Anyway it's difficult to translate the meaning of the word erastes
In the case of word erastes was about trainers. The key phrase for the proper interpretation is "ΠΑΙΔΟΣ ΣΩΜΑΤΟΣ ΟΡΕΓΟΜΕΝΟΣ ΦΑΝΕΙΗ".
>Red Pill me on the Spartans and their faggotry
Read Xenophon's ΛΑΚΕΔΑΙΜΟΝΙΩΝ ΠΟΛΙΤΕΙΑ (Constitution of the Spartans/Lacedemonians) or try to do some military service to understand the strong friendship bonds between soldiers.

They were evil and deserved to be destroyed for perpetuating child abuse, in all of its forms.

All who emulate ther corruption will condemn all of their descendants....such a MONSTER (((who will commit this perfidy))) MUST BE WIPED OUT

If you disagree, believe me, you will be dealt with. Its not a matter of if we find out, its a matter of WHEN, even IF (((YOU ARE LONG GONE))) you SELFISH ANIMAL

>filthy Athenian apologists


OK here's one fanny story about the most famous 'homosexual' couple (erastes and eromenos): the ARISTOCRAT Tyrannicides (they killed the tyrant) Harmodios and Aristogeiton


According to Aristotle (see: Athinaion Politeia / The Constitution of the Athenians) the one of the two big reasons* that forced them to kill the tyrant Hipparchus them was this:
The tyrant humiliated Harmodios because he accused him publicly for FAGOTRY (μαλαkός / malakos - yes "malakas" is almost the same word and means soft)

>*Wikipedia mentions only the one of the two reasons. I wonder why...

Do you have any source on that or do you just eat up the shit libs present to you as
>homosexuality in the antique world
?

Like holy fuck, there's barely anything we know about Sparta. Most of it comes from Xenophon and it's been proven time and again that his stories on Spartans are fanfic at best.

If you can kick my ass, you have the right to be gay...

>spartans
>true alt-right
alt-right confirmed for buttfuckery

They used a lot of lube though, olive oil everywhere there.

>Prison culture = army life
When you absolutely have to assert your domination over a motherfucker so you fuck him in the ass to prove you're alpha.