Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>Not allowed to cook, because ovens are a means of production.
>Not allowed to fix your own shit when it breaks, because you cannot own tools, which are a means of production.
>Not allowed to have a spare guest bedroom, because it is not being utilized efficiently.
>Here you go comrade, we are moving a refugee family into your guest room. Also you need to figure out how to feed them all. Good luck!
Parker Morgan
Sorry commy friend. I prefer my mcdonalds to have beef and not cow shit in it.
Go start your own gommunist island where people sit in circles and talk about the evil capitalists and their hamburgers that contain meat instead of shit in them.
Lucas Green
Daily reminder that there has never been a successful socialist society.
Aaron Cook
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Eli Sullivan
We should round up all communist fags worldwide, give some land adequate for survival to them, some starting equipment / funds, and let them have their own country. It'd be fun to watch. No embargos or shit like that but no foreign aid to them either.
It could be an ongoing project, since communists seem to spawn constantly, they should be sent to this "communistan" to replace the people who have already starved to death.
Adam Brown
>Daily reminder that there has never been a successful socialist society.
Bump because I too am a communist
Charles Morales
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Caleb Scott
Actually Sup Forums is sympathetic to communism. What unites Sup Forums is civic nationalism (abolition of racism, sexism, etc) in exchange of nationalism which under Bolshevik socialism is very compatible.
Jason Bennett
Reminder there has never been a sucessful fascist state
If you like capitalism go to Somalia
That's bullshit.
Jace Martinez
Actually socialist patriotism is infinitely better than nationalism
Angel Brooks
HOLY FUCK BASSSSSSED
Eli Richardson
>there has never been a sucessful fascist state
chile, retard
Elijah Hill
Chile was rekt by Pinochet IDIOT and is still poor as crap.
Justin Ross
>Sup Forums is sympathetic to communism >What unites Sup Forums is civic nationalism (abolition of racism, sexism, etc) >abolition of racism, sexism
you have no idea where the fuck you are, do you?
Josiah Cruz
>Chile was rekt by Pinochet
don't get mad because he threw you niggers out of helicopters
Luke Nguyen
That's actually a myth
Sup Forums is ironically racist. It's a social tabboo but im pretty sure all of us have black friend and asian friends.
Luke Taylor
No thanks, leave this red shit for yourself
Lincoln Watson
Actually he only throw corpses to the sea, never used it as execution method , not even that meme is true.
Lucas Fisher
>Sup Forums is ironically racist
you are one dumb nigger
Aaron Rogers
Even my Rabbi says communism is acceptable with Jewish ideology. You're delusional buddy
Stop laughing
Andrew Bell
*threw
Russian federation is pure crap
Daniel Long
t.spanish cuck
Dylan Jenkins
Private property != Personal property
Jace Gonzalez
Where have I seen this chart before?
Jonathan Flores
>Sup Forums is ironically racist.
Hunter Clark
I have friends of all races. And I know they're genetically inferior.
Christian Parker
What fucking Sup Forums are you on?
Wyatt Mitchell
piss off
Asher Foster
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Caleb Kelly
>Stop laughing
Isaac Rivera
That's racist actually
The real Sup Forums not the ironic Sup Forums
>anarcho-capitalist >anti-thoughtcrime LOL
Jose Miller
this entire thread has to be a joke
Eli Smith
Daily reminder that Lenin, and the Bolsheviks, stole the revolution from the workers and is direct reason everything descended into an oligarchy.
Brayden Morales
You're a troll, fuck off
Lenin was based though it's stalin who's fucked.
Jeremiah Powell
S A G E A G E
Joshua Long
>racism >not realizing it's against the rules Enjoy ban.
Juan Gonzalez
>MUH TRILLION HUNDRETS THOUTHANDS OF LOST GDP Such a cliched """proof""" that I even don't want to explain it to a new autistic commie
Caleb Davis
communism is a joke
Jackson Taylor
Gommunism general guy, where are you at? we need you!
Josiah Brooks
>Reminder there has never been a sucessful fascist state Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Roman Empire, Chinese Empire
Elijah Gutierrez
False. The factory workers had taken control of their workplaces, elected managers and formed unions. The workers could have directly controlled the means of production. But Lenin decided the workers couldn't be trusted and appointed party members to control the factories.
Kayden Nelson
Those are all failed states.
Christopher Wood
you must really be new here nigger
Christian Reed
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Oliver Sanders
I'm an oldfag actually
Luis Richardson
G-A-Y
Zachary Hall
Finally the -mmunism i like
Connor Sanders
an old commie maybe. the only good commie is a dead one
Angel Nguyen
Gtfo red nigger
Kayden Reed
>Private property != Personal property Under communism, there is no such thing as personal property. All property is owned by everyone.
Owen Ross
When will you red faggots learn your lesson? You aren't wanted here.
Nah, been here since 2015. The only good confederate is one locked up in an SPLC run hatewatch facility.
Michael Perry
Nazi porn=Best political porn.
Xavier Adams
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Dylan Morris
Finally, you arrived!
Also: >Captcha: Helicopter
Isaac Brooks
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Brody Thompson
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Benjamin Allen
No state last forever.
Jonathan Mitchell
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Jace Diaz
That's simply not true
Dominic Davis
Wrong.
Benjamin Watson
What are you communists going to do about the roach problem?
How do we ensure Kurdistans existence, most of Sup Forumsis retarded Assad supporters.
James Jones
>What unites Sup Forums is civic nationalism Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew how wrong you are
Jaxon Sanchez
Support Rojava.
Ethan Harris
Totalitarianism is a meme, seasteading is the answer to social woes that you're looking for.
Ryan Campbell
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Jose Morgan
Why do you support Rojava?
Jackson Nguyen
>What unites Sup Forums is civic nationalism You really need to lurk more
Daniel Fisher
Because they protect the kurds in the zone and even if they are not marxist-leninist state they are still socialists and given the chance in the future more negotiable or easier to subvert than reactionary bourgeois states.
Joseph Green
So if I use my oven to bake cookies, and then trade the cookies for other goods, that's not a means of production or capitalism?
Sebastian Mitchell
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Dylan Clark
that's simply barter, you aren't using the cookies to generate a profit
Grayson Peterson
Profit is generated through beneficial trade. If a guy wants to give me a chicken for 10 cookies, and I use my negotiation tactics to convince him that I will only pay 5 cookies for a chicken, then I just made a 5 cookie profit.
So are you going to ban negotiation and haggling?
Christopher Taylor
no.. the guy just get what he wants too, there is no money , you don't increase your capital in this situation. You can't use those cookies as if they were money either, is not a currency in principle.
David Morris
After 1900, Communism is the #3 killer of the human race. Right behind old age and disease
This ideology has slaughtered hundreds of millions of people, and turned billions into functional slaves
Parker Martinez
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Chase Moore
You do realize money is just a representation of value used so that I don't have to physically carry around cookies to trade, right?
Daniel White
I guess that settles it. Saturday is /leftypol/ raid day.
Hey is the Finn here?
Leo Rivera
Sounds like you need a 3rd position then.
Colton Cook
Yes but that's another situation
Dylan Smith
there is no third position, fascism is capitalism without the pseudodemocracy
David Morris
>every famine in the world, every massacre, and every natural disaster is capitalism's fault
Spainon this has been debunked multiple times on /leftypol/ even. Get your head together.
IMO like I told you months ago it's obvious IAMSILLY material meant to be spread by you to de-legitimize your stances to normal people. Not that I agree with your stances at all.
Sebastian Turner
This is blaming all deaths of war and disease on capitalism. Most of the death tolls are grossly inflated. These deaths are not linked to the capitalist economic system, they are linked to state actions. Capitalist economies are generally extremely wealthy and prosperous, it's people free and able to express themselves openly.
Anyone stupid enough to fall for this is too dumb to live
Nathaniel Bennett
>fascism is capitalism I already know why you think that and I just want to say you're wrong. Read the doctrines by the various fascist philosophers and take note of dialect. Mussolini wrote 'corporate' which meant guild. Basically a syndicate. He "privatized" minor industry by reducing the bureaucracy regarding the industries separated even though they could still be reabsorbed depending on the needs of the people. That sort of thing.
Sebastian Lee
Wrong. Fascism is very similar to national syndicalism. If you want to understand fascism, try reading up on it.
Jose Lewis
Also an oven in your kitchen and some ingredients are personal property(property intended for personal use and gained in a socially fair manner) and not private property.
Robert Nguyen
>Smoking cigarettes is capitalisms fault
top kek
>Yes but that's another situation No it isn't.
All of the "economic disparity" you see in Capitalism is caused by negotiation and compromise. A guy wants 10 cookies for a chicken, and 1 give him 5 cookies, and he takes the deal, that doesn't mean he's happy with the deal. It means he settled for it.
The same thing happens every single day when people demand a $15 minimum wage and then they settle for a lower wage anyways. They take the deal, but are not happy with it.
James Wright
you are right I was thinking of nazism, they were the capitalists not Mussolini
Camden Wood
>'personal property' is not private property
Dylan Baker
>Personal property I would say 'always concessions with you people' like I usually do but that's the exact way National Socialism's property rights go. And that's one of the big things you say you hate about national socialism. Makes little sense IMO Or maybe you didn't start with that opinion and you developed it due to exposure by making these threads. Are we finally getting through to you?
Blake Rogers
It is but as far as he's trying to describe private property = excessive land(AKA property). That's about it.
Gabriel Robinson
Market is not equal to capitalism. There were markets in ancient Greece for example or during feudalism, what defines capitalism is the existence of private property of the means of production to generate profit.
Jayden Jenkins
Define personal property and private property.
Brayden Price
>National socialism is capitalism You couldn't even explain your excuses for thinking that I bet. Or you'll use the tried and failed old /leftypol/ propaganda. Scrub that shit from your head and learn bottom up. The neckbeards on /leftypol/ don't know shit about politics/economics DESU.
Lucas Foster
Can someone explain the Soviet "second economy" to me?
Isaiah Reyes
>Market is not equal to capitalism
Gentlemen we're watching the conversion of Spainon from edgy communist to national socialist/market socialist.
Also Spainon, markets require some level of property though otherwise there's nothing to trade and thus no market.
Blake Gray
It sounds like it was basically the same situation happening in North Korea, a thriving black market making up for the failures of the planned economy.
Ryan Lewis
You may not realize you're doing it, but you're playing semantic word games.
According to Das Kapital, a "means of production" is any object which, once labor is applied, can be used to create a good. This includes things like factories, machines, tools, and it also includes raw materials from the earth, like lumber, water, or iron ore.
You mean to tell me that according to Karl Marx, I cannot privately own a stack of lumber, because I might use it to sell something for a profit?
