>I feel like I was a woman so I am a woman >I was born a woman >I just wasn't born in a woman's body
I can't understand this "logic". If you really are a woman because you feel like you were always a woman, shouldn't your rational thought processes kick in and remind you that biology says "no"?
Your mental illness says you were always a woman and you were meant to be a woman, yet in reality, nature made you a biological male. Why can't trannies simply accept that and move on? Why must they be spoiled autists who try to fight with nature?
Can Sup Forums provide a SINGLE compelling argument against boys dressing like girls besides "mah degeneracy"?
Andrew Adams
Yeah. In addition to it being degenerate, it's also retarded.
Lincoln Hill
Civilizations where it's socially accepted for men to act like women never made it past the rural village phase
Dylan Price
Denying objective reality because of muh feels and muh cummies can't be healthy for society.
Thomas Lewis
>Greece and Rome never existed
LOL
Thomas Walker
>implying cross-dressing isn't absurd on its face The burden to prove traditional ways lack merit lies not on me, my friend, but on you.
Noah Powell
I can easily prove why it's A-OK for boys to dress like girls (see pic). Honestly, I wish more of them did.
Heteronormativity and the gender binary are pernicious, harmful, and wrong.
Hunter Brooks
But that's what I did. If trannies feel as though they are legitimately women just born in the wrong body, then they should get a grip on themselves by embracing reality. Nature intended for them to be born as men, as biological males, so their strange thoughts about being women are just wrong.
Trannyism is a perfect way to weed out the excess males and eliminate them, though.
I keep talking about the males here because most trannies are men, a very very tiny amount are women.
Blake Parker
leave this board you scum
Cooper Kelly
because gender dysphoria is an actual mental illnes faggot parading it around as a symbol of pride is as retarded as parading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotemnophilia as a symbol of pride.
Isaac Edwards
lol every time I see this image I have to laugh. My dad had subscribed to Nat Geo for 20+ years once he got this issue he called and canceled he was so pissed they were pushing this mental illness.
Landon James
That's a cute boi.
Levi Powell
He is just culturally appropriating women's culture and us as a society shouldn't accept this clear sexism.
Noah Martin
Traditional ways it just a western culture. That does not make it better or worse. Whenever I see someone use "degenerate" as an argument, I always laugh, because degeneracy is subjective, not objective. Your bias is in play because of the culture you were raised in.
Alexander Parker
Breaking down gender stereotypes and the "gender binary" would make it okay to be girly while still being male, alleviating much of the social pressure that causes gender dysphoria and decreasing the need for transsexualism. Ironic then that the only people advocating for this are also supporting transsexualism itself, which only serves to reinforce those gender stereotypes and makes it harder for those suffering from gender dysphoria to express themselves, whether they're pressured to transition or not.
Joseph Thompson
They always talk about getting rid of gender roles, but at the same time they seem to think that a male liking something feminine (or vice versa) makes them a tranny or "gender fluid" or whatever.
I remember when I was like six I tried one of my sisters Hello Kitty video games out of curiosity. So would that make me a female according to modern liberals?
Wyatt Bennett
>Heteronormativity and the gender binary are pernicious, harmful, and wrong. why?
Brayden Thompson
This boy has been on hormone blockers so long he can't get his much desired penis mutilation. Because he wasn't able to properly develop down there.
Julian Sanders
The only good thing about trannies is their suicide rate.
Prove me wrong.
Adrian Morales
Sex isn't the same thing as gender.
Sex refers to biological characteristics such as reproductive organs and chromosomes. Gender refers to the social constructions (i.e. the idea of "masculine" or "feminine").
You wouldn't be a female, you'd be a male. If you were playing Hello Kitty games, you'd be a "non-gender conforming male," because you fail to comport with society's idealized standards of masculinity.
There are so many trannies now because of xenoestrogens. They are everywhere.
"Xenoestrogens have been introduced into the environment by industrial, agricultural and chemical companies and consumers only in the last 70 years or so, but archiestrogens have been a ubiquitous part of the environment even before the existence of the human race given that some plants (like the cereals and the legumes) are using estrogenic substances possibly as part of their natural defence against herbivore animals by controlling their male fertility"
By 'controlling' they mean 'reduce'.
Wyatt Brown
Personally I don't have issues with dudes that dress like girls, but how exactly is hetronormativity and gender binary "pernicious, harmful, and wrong"?
Liam Foster
Not a radical leftist, but I would assume because those who act out of those values would be labeled as "degenerate" or "not human", as this board commonly does, which in the end only proves his point.
Jack Moore
You'll be Pumped & Dumped like the hyped tech stocks. Have fun shooting up artificial hormones that destroy your insides and will probably shorten your life expectancy by more than 10 Years.
Also, how would he know that he is supposed to be a woman?
These people are not capable anymore of logical an rational thinking. Even before the transistion they know they will look absolute shitfucking disgusting and no man or woman would ever touch them. Except for same retarded people, but only for a short time because they are incapable of having social relationships.
There are infinite reasons against that shit, but there exists not a single reason for it.
Hunter Perez
It's a straight up delusion. Similar to the Cotard delusion when people think they're already dead. They will stop eating to the point of starvation. The DSM IV used to classify transgenderism as a mental disorder until public outcry from the trannies, now it's renamed gender dysphoria and classified as an anxiety of sorts
Ethan Ward
>Why can't they accept a mental illness and get over it
Because they're mentally ill. They need professional care from a mental health expert and it might take years to get over this irrational nonsense. Instead of getting the treatment they need SJW faggots just tell them "it's okay, just chop off your dick! this is normal!"
Isaiah James
>but how exactly is hetronormativity and gender binary "pernicious, harmful, and wrong"?
Hetronormativity cements the idea that the purpose of sex is procreation, which it isn't.
The gender binary is harmful because it conflates gender and sex. >Sex refers to biological characteristics such as reproductive organs and chromosomes. Gender refers to the social constructions (i.e. the idea of "masculine" or "feminine"). Even though they're distinct. You can have non-gender conforming women, for example, e.g., Tomboys. Many men like Tomboys, which is totally fine. But it's worth noting that you like them because they're not ultra-feminine and dainty.
Charles Miller
What doctors should do to trannies is give them hormones, but for their natural gene. Male trannies for instance have partially feminized brains. What they need is more testosterone to de-feminize their brains and make them manlier.
Aaron Reed
Kys
Aiden Reed
Acting more like a male or female, or displaying more physical property related to Masculine or Feminine is likely what he is referring to.
So a male who acts more Feminine is not within western society's standards of Masculinity.
A male who wants to be a stay at home dad for example, is not an idealized standard of masculinity, as wanting to stay at home and take care of the house and others is considered a feminine trait by our culture, despite that it is a job that either gender could do.
Joshua Ward
>the purpose of sex is procreation, which it isn't. the porpuse of sex is literally reproduction
>you were born that way and your sexuality is unchangeable! >but we also are genderfluid lol
Dylan Anderson
Yeah also fascist republics that had extreme social structures, which put them in the thot tier
Gavin Powell
Where's Greece and Rome now? >Checkmate
Joshua Jackson
Good questions. I think it's kinda like schizophrenia in a way. You do almost anything to make the voices stop. You're told transitioning is the best option because no pill for this disease exists.
I bet trannies of today would be against a pill because muh identity.
Jonathan Hernandez
The purpose of sex IS procreation, that's how living organisms reproduce lol.
Gender is whats between your legs (or what isn't), if you want to "go against the grain" and pretend to be the gender you're not, then I have no problem with that, as long as you aren't going against scientific fact by making up their own genders, its like saying that god is real because a book said so, if there's no proof to back something up, its a product of fiction.
Logan Morris
>Hetronormativity cements the idea that the purpose of sex is procreation, which it isn't. then what is sex for, according to you?
Leo Smith
Wrong again plus no proof. Trannies kill themselfs always, fail in life and ruin their existence, checkmate there exists not a single argument against this.
Nathan Murphy
Gender regret.
Wishing you were born the other sex.
Cameron Roberts
>So a male who acts more Feminine is not within western society's standards of Masculinity.
if you act like a faggot you are not masculine if you pretend to be a woman youre not a woman youre larping and as such being feminine .
Jack Mitchell
Nature's purpose of sex is reproduction, but the overall purpose for most people is not reproduction. Wearing a condom for example is the anti-thesis to reproductive sex, but it is very common. What do you say about that?
If you are talking about the scientific description, then yes you are right. However we are talking about society's view.
Austin Reyes
Greece was an extremely patriarchal society, women could not even get out of the house and masculinity was considered the peak of human expression. If anything, it was women that were forced to look like men in places like Sparta where they cut all the hair out of the bride to make her look like a man.
Rome was similar but with more freedoms to women.
What are you talking about?
Cameron Reed
IM GONNA START FUCKING KILLING EVERY FAGGOT I SEE OMG
Matthew King
Women are more likely to pass as a man, since they just need to take alot of t, and not have big tits
Christian King
Listen people should do with their body's what they want. But it is a big money making scam. Pharmaceutical company's, medical facility's are making allot of money on synthetic hormones and operation. Second these "medicines" on a regular basis, does not come without a cost. This will probably manifest itself in cancers or more mental issues. That need to be treated. You are creating drones that constantly need to be on life support and taking chemicals to function. It is a scam even worse than the War on Drugs because this is pushed main stream on the kids.
Landon Cox
How does a tranny even know what a woman thinks like? What if they are actually thinking like the average male but just don't know it because they have never lived any other males life?
Brody Richardson
Nobody can understand, but we just pretend sometimes, because if you don't, you're mean, apparently.
Jayden Howard
why are you posting fag porn now? do you honestly think youre giong to trigger anybody?
> but it is very common. What do you say about that?
thats a side effect of youre sex organs producing pleasure to encourige reproduction as much as possible.
Michael Parker
It may not seem like it to a degenerate like you, but y'all are completely nuts. You can't see it because you're a part of it.
But to the rest of the world, oh my goodness. You are all a bunch of bores, obsessed with your genitalia and sex. There's so much more to life than what's between your legs. Talking with you folks is a chore. You're all so narcissistic and self-involved/obsessed. Like I said, a bunch of bores.
And now you're destroying the future of many children who don't know any better.
Joseph Foster
>Listen people should do with their body's what they want.
not if its funded by others tax payer money faggot.
want to mutilate yourself fine but not with my tax money.
Brandon Adams
It's not that you actually think you're a woman it's just that you have a mental illness that makes you hate being male that geeta worse every day and slowly drives you insane.
Aiden Hernandez
I am also against it. They are also pushing it in the health insurance in the netherands. Southern-bro
Adrian Scott
I thought it would be obvious, but I meant acting like a woman as a lifestyle, not for artistic purpose.
Kevin Young
Take a step back and consider for a moment guys.
Is this really different from dying your hair or wearing contact lenses that change your eye color?
Alexander Morales
Yes, it has ramifications that will manifest itself in the next 10 years. Especially if it is pushed on children who can't choose for themselves.
Joshua Perry
Or cutting your hair? senpai how can you compare these freaks
Liam Myers
This is pretty spot on. Trans people are so one dimensional it hurts. Everything, literally everything, revolves around sex for these people.
Gabriel Wilson
No, you are right, cutting your dick and taking body changing hormones is like going from black hair to blonde, we are just making a big deal out of it
Isaiah King
>I am also against it. They are also pushing it in the health insurance in the netherands. Southern-bro
exactly holland ironically these faggots who say the goverment should not interfere with their lifes are the most releint on the big goverment and big farma.
>Often the obsession is with one specific limb. A patient might say, for example, that they "do not feel complete" while they still have a left leg. However, BIID does not simply involve amputation. Some people suffer from the desire to become paralyzed, blind, deaf, use orthopedic appliances such as leg-braces, etc. Some people spend time pretending they are an amputee by using crutches and wheelchairs at home or in public; in the BIID community, this is called a "pretender".The condition is usually treated as a psychiatric disorder.
Jacob Harris
>Is this really different from dying your hair or wearing contact lenses that change your eye color?
even after their operation the still have to take hormone blokers. if you change your sex organs the body will start to close it up because it considers it to be an open wound.
not to mention the abhorent suicide rates.
Jeremiah Hall
the thing lolbertarians dont ask is where freedom stops and mental illnes begin?
John Phillips
>The current Editor-in-Chief of the National Geographic Magazine is Susan Goldberg
Wyatt Flores
>Goldberg
theres always a pattern to this kind of shit isnt it natsoc?
Alexander Carter
Read this you faggot, all the way to the end
Luis Hall
I don't care if they feel to be woman; do as you wish but, at least, do not pretend this is something natural.
Jace Jones
And here's why Homosexuality is fucking horrid and should be eradicated, without using any religious arguments
Cooper Morales
boys dressing like girls isn't a problem, boys dressing like girls and then claiming that that makes them girls is
Jayden Williams
This is exactly what I am talking about in They are not a woman if they pretend to be one, no. I never asserted that. It just means they identify more towards Feminine then Masculine. Nothing wrong with that, unless they have a mental disorder that isn't being treated because of this.
It all comes back to Objectivity and Subjectivity, in which you have a bias where you think your Culture is best, which is natural. It is a natural human response to being raised in a successful environment where an offspring was produced, to want to stay in the situation that allowed them to reproduce. This can result in some things that aren't an issue being perceived as an issue, such as Video Games and Television, or any new industry that any young people enjoy that their parents never got to experience or know of.
>thinking that I posted it for any other reason then to invoke "Fuck you"
Yes, sex organs feel pleasure, yes, nature uses this to help along reproduction in the same way it releases chemicals to make you feel any emotion. That does not mean if can't be exploited and the reproduction aspect removed, which is common in todays society. Sex is rarely done for purely reproductive reasons now and is more of an aftermath.
Luis Myers
the hiv rates for homosexuals too.
In 2005, over half of new HIV infections diagnosed in the US were among gay men, and up to one in five gay men living in cities is thought to be HIV positive. Yet two large population surveys showed that most gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners per year as straight men and women.
The results showed that for the straight US population to experience an epidemic of HIV infection as great as that of gay men, they would need to average almost five unprotected sexual partners every year.
I think when libs get pedophilia legal. We'll start seeing some outrage when people start getting upset when someone does something inappropriate to their kids and get called intolerant for it.
>Sex is rarely done for purely reproductive reasons now and is more of an aftermath.
and why the birth rates are below replacement levels in most "western" countries and since we hae a cancerous socialist system you should know why having an increasing population of old is very bad.
Ryan Thompson
You are right, but you fail to see how what you said can be said about yourself as well.
That is because you are arguing in Opinions, not facts. You will always have a biased, subjective view just as the other side will.
Thinking this trend will actually harm children is laughable, just as the generation of parents before you thought Video Games were harmful and dangerous for their children, and the generation before that fearful of TV for their children.
"muh children" is a terrible arguement.
Gabriel Bailey
>wants to be a qt grill >the hormones lock him in babydick mode and the fact that's it's so tiny puts it on his mind constantly' >don't worry, I can be 'fixed' to be a real girl >turns out he's so tiny it can't even be worked with >his dreams of being a grill dashed and he can only settle in his personal hell of being permanently trapped in tiny-cocked sissy body for the rest of his life
Jose Torres
>comparing a lifestyle of invasive surgery and hormone therapy with videogames
Bad bait, come on.
Justin Peterson
>Thinking this trend will actually harm children is laughable As many as 98% of gender-confused boys and 88% of gender-confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty and grow naturally into adult life if untreated. >DSM-V under "Gender Dysphoria without a disorder of sex development" Close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated. archive.is/q6MLV
>Department of Health and Human Services - sex reassignment surgery for Medicare recipients archive.is/FQjLQ U.S. Department of Health and Human Services with Affordable Care Act - mandate for health professionals, insurance companies: >doctors must perform gender transition procedures on children, even when those procedures may be physically and emotionally harmful to the child >forces virtually all private insurance companies and many employers to cover gender transition procedures or face severe penalties and legal action
Tyler Brown
I don't understand the word gender in itself. You have a sex. You are either born male or female, as a man or a woman. Sometimes there are genetic defects but that is no new sex like down syndrom is no new human race. Everything else is eithr sexual orientation or fashion sense. I fail to see anything sex related there.
Joshua Peterson
>rational thought processes
Libtards literally lack this
Jordan Roberts
>Can Sup Forums provide a SINGLE answer to 2+2 besides "mah 4"
Logic is logical, it adds up, you can't take shit out of it or add shit to it to make it whatever you want to be you fucking delusional wackjob.
Owen Rogers
youre comparing a surgery that litraly sterilizes the poor basterds to vidio games?
read my post here.
Andrew Roberts
>be 2017 >transgendered children is now a sexual fetish
Cooper White
If people wanted to have children, they would. People are not having children currently because the economy is fucked and most of this generation is dirt poor.
I am expecting some kind of boom, similar to Baby Boomers, with the 90s and 00s generation when the economy is better.
I'm sure you, and many others who post here, think it is all a conspiracy that "white people are being replaced", or that it is to "overthrow western culture", which is laughable at best. It is on par with Radical lefties conspiracy saying Russia colluded with the election.
Wyatt Morris
I've brought up this argument at my uni. Mentioned the fact that psychiatric therapy is a valid, and preferred, option for amputee identity disorder. There are lots of parallels between gender dysphoria and BIID, but the only argument that can be made by making said comparison is against that of physical alteration of the human body. In other words, if Suzy can flip her thing inside out and become John, I ought to be able to cut off my arm and leg, AND it should all be accepted and represented in the media as something that is totally normal.
They claimed it was a false equivalence, that one is a real disorder and the other is totally normal. That one needs proper counseling and therapy and the other warrants physical alterations.
Ayden Morgan
the video of tranny Jazz being told he can't have penis-to-bag surgery cause' hormone blokers. : youtube.com/watch?v=0tiFI2Z5N2E
do you have any idea what youre diong to these fucking kids?
Jaxson Scott
So that you can go be a deviant pervert? Yeah, really A-OK there you faggot. Go spread your AIDS and filth elsewhere. You're harmful to your own kind, you'll all be dead of a virus or not being able to reproduce any time now, it's simply a waiting game. Enjoy knowing this while you pump out a hedonistic lifestyle that won't go anywhere past your grave.
Go form your own little fag nation state and go do your thing there. However, stop trying to normalize it and trying to push it on our kids who we don't want growing up with your absurd notion of "values". You're disgusting and should be exiled to a land of faggots.
Ayden Smith
I have never, ever, said anything about surgery. I have been arguing from a context of a man taking more feminine roles or behaviors, such as Crossdressing or taking on housecare.
Thank you for putting words in my mouth.
Nicholas Morris
Can I hear any opinions about Theryn Meyer
Samuel Miller
In few years surgery tech will be so advanced that checking id card will be the only way to date a real woman. I'm quite afraid of this.
Aaron James
Immigrants in European countries are usually poorer than their native counterparts, yet they make more children.
It's the culture, retard.
Bentley Myers
hahaha 50/50 chance already tried to kill itself by now. These people, and those enabling it moreso, are fucking sick.
Michael Fisher
Transgenderism is a disassociative and sexual disorder. What you posted is very very rare.
