Charlie Gard

Situation:
>Charlie is an extremely ill baby, with IRREVERSIBLE brain damage
>All European courts have said he’s not allowed to go to the US for trials as it would not be in his best interests
>From a medical standpoint, many doctors in Europe agree with the courts, from the standpoint that the trials may help him, but won’t reverse the brain damage caused already from his condition
>Others disagree as it should be down to the parent
>Trump and the Pope offer help for him
>Democrats, Liberals and other centre left-left wings say - and this is what they truely imply - due to his condition, he is highly likely to not fully recover to the state of a normal person, if the trials go well, he is likely to not make the journey there due to his condition, he is already technically “brain dead”, so what’s the point in trying to keep something that’s going to pass on alive, and allow it to pass on in dignity, and finally, from doctors advice, it’s not worth the risk (essentially)

For information, I don’t really agree with any political party in this case, they all make good points can just wanted to see what people on Sup Forums have to say with that information that isn’t coming from a leftie, but shows what a leftie means without the Buzzfeed-ness

Other urls found in this thread:

gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case
youtube.com/watch?v=CJmpgQg0SMg
jta.org/1988/07/20/archive/orthodox-child-with-rare-ailment-is-rescued-aboard-tycoons-jet
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Source: gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

Other sources of news from various outlets where I can’t be fucked to get the addresses from

It's for the good of science to try this experimental treatment. It is heartless, criminal and stupid to disallow it.

Donald Trump is a hero and innocent white life should always be fought for.

The child has no dignity, he has no concept of the world, everything should be tried, and every measure taken. UK just doesn't want to spend the fucking money on their nigger cattle and tax slaves for the sheriff of Nottingham.

Seeing people try to save the "unsaveable" and the "already gone" fills me with some kind of deep longing and pride.

youtube.com/watch?v=CJmpgQg0SMg

A nation that fails its children is no nation at all. A society that poisons the youth is below contempt, and a world that attacks a man trying to do some good is a world that deserves nothing less than hellfire.

I think the real argument is who decides whether the baby lives or dies. Even if the baby can't be saved, the parents still have the right to decide whether to bring the baby to the states. The doctors should have explained the situation to the parents and not pulled the plug without their consent.

>Donald Trump is a hero and innocent white life should always be fought for.
dripfeds aint white

The boomers already aborted 1/4 of millennials and X's. Any nation that sacrifices it's young to moloch deserves to burn.

At this point the UK deserves every rape, every Muslim who pimps out a child. Ffs they arrested the guy who tried to save his little girl from the Moslem pimps

I live in the UK myself and a lot of the shit the UK is doing is making me want to move out even more, the politics, the infestation of the aids populus makes me sick to my bones

Also you’ll be suprised by the lack of rape in the news that’s relevant to Muslims

As of 3:14am those are the BBC’s top articles

If the baby were to undergo undue stress I would say deny it....but seeing as he's already braindead I don't really see the harm in bringing him over to treat him

Ethically isn’t it still better than to allow it to die with dignity, rather than die under surgery?

How many white children did you produce so far?

I disagree, you don't often have a chance to try experimental medial procedures.

"Dying with dignity" is about personal choice
the baby doesn't have a concept of such a choice, therefore it's not "dying with dignity" regardless.
It's the parents that decide if it's a dignified death. The parents are the ones who want the trials.

So he wants the doctor to get user-standard R&D grant for helping whats the problem?

>sheriff of nottingham
Lmao what the fuck are you talking about you literal child

Trials are a two-way street. It requires a doctor who is bound by a well defined ethical framework to make a decision to treat or not to treat. Experimental procedures have to be both ethically and scientifically justified. It is more than just a transaction that parents can demand.
t. doctor.

>BBC reinvented for new generation

I think they mean they'll need to double down on leftist SJW nonsense because they fear that Gen Z will be more based.

The problem isn't about whether the baby is allowed to come to the states. The problem is the baby is on fucking life support, how the hell are they going to fucking get it here for treatment anyway? Nobody is going to spend the millions needed to equip a plane with a fully functioning life support unit for a baby and fly it all the way from there to here, nobody.

So?
How is that related?

Plus, even with the life support, he can still die on the plane

He never said "for free."

The parents should have the choice. If it's not costing the government(other people) then why the fuck is it anyone's business. This case is about control. It's not about opinions...

you mentioned the parents wanted trials senpai

The whole thing is a waste of time but if it helps paint liberals as heartless then I'm fine with it

they raised the cash,its just euro cucks blocking it

Ignoring the questions of "who will pay" or "the kid will die" I see literally no reason why the parents can't move the kid. Why should the EU even have any say in this instead of the country the kid actually lives in? Why does the EU have control over who can enter and exit the member states AT ALL? If it's an experimental treatment and the baby is already braindead (as the Left says) then what's the harm in trying the treatment if just as an experiment to see what the fuck it does?

>keeping some braindead kid alive becuz "muh feels"

Jesus, you people are so weak. I wonder what the nazis (the people you claim to idolize) would've done in this situation? Oh yeah, exterminate him for being a waste of time, money, and oxygen.

The parents already have £2 million

Would you let the parents take the kid to the Congo for blood jungle voodoo magic just because they could afford to? The experimental treatment proposed has the same amount of evidence for it.
And it's more than simply letting him go, they need to facilitate mobile life support for him, which places responsibility for his care during transport on doctors. The kid could well die on the plane, which is a horrible outcome.

it is too bad. Americans have a constitutional protection against this kind of government action.

The answer is always to let the parents take their child as they see fit. If the NHS washes their hands, so be it.

It pisses me off that Trump said anything about this.

I doubted there was a single thing that orange fruitcake could do that wouldn't piss me off, and this proves it. Even when he's trying to defend a dying baby he comes across as disingenuous and manipulative. I don't believe Trump gives a flying shit about this baby. I think he's just using a half dead kid for political gain.

That's dispicable. Fuck him. When it comes from the pope it sounds real and honest. But somehow, even when saying we shouldn't let a baby die, Trump still sounds like a retarded piece of shit.

There is no dignity in death.

Stand before the ashes if a million dead and ask the ghosts if honor matters.

That's an angle I hadn't considered.

Yes, the idiots bring death to the child and hopefully themselves. Darwinism wins. Let stupid people end their genetic lines.

>Would you let the parents take the kid to the Congo for blood jungle voodoo magic just because they could afford to?

If the only alternative is death then sure why not. It's not the governments place to decide if parents want to try and save their child

I thought death panels in socialized healthcare systems were a myth

I don't think you understand Trump at all.

I think you would suck his dick if he told you to.

>I thought death panels in socialized healthcare systems were a myth
It is a myth in the same way a slipper slope is a fallacy. Death panels are real and historical fact of communist society.

Up to the parents

State can fuck off

Nigga you gay

>just wanted to see what people on Sup Forums have to say with that information that isn’t coming from a leftie, but shows what a leftie means without the Buzzfeed-ness

The parents have a right to choose what to do with their child, period.

In the US, the parents have the right to choose whether their child must die or can try something different. It is insane that people are okay with the government deciding when to pull the plug. Then again, that's the result of handing over your medical decisions to the government.

Trump's childhood pastor was Norman Vincent Peale. This is the original prosperity preacher who taught faith in God will make you rich.

You're making a mistake if you think he doesn't care.

It's even worst here as the parents have the fucking money.

Euros are so far from being liberal it's not funny. They're fucking socialists saying they're liberal.

you dont own your children dipshits. they arent property. you dont get to hopelessly keep your kid "alive" for ever cos of muh feelings. any more than you can deny your child live saving surgery. this baby is fucked, it literally has no chance to live. shitting out a kid doesnt make you smart or kind. doctors dont decide this shit on a whim. and btw the "treatment" isnt experimental, it hasnt even been animal tested.

>you dont own your children dipshits

Says who? You? The mob?

Fuck off you authoritarian fuck.

Parent's kid because they made it. No one else did.

Trump says the kid has a chance so the kid has a chance

Bullshit. He doesn't care. Lots of terrible people go to church then go to work and shit all over everyone they interact with. The only reason Trump would care is if he could gain something from it.

>brain damaged
>will never really live again
LET HIM FUCKING DIE HE IS ALREADY DEAD

Why not ship competent experimental doctor there instead?

>All European courts have said he’s not allowed to go to the US for trials as it would not be in his best interests

I get their reasoning for wanting the euthanize him but I don't see why they won't let us test shit on him before he dies. It could help other kids even if it doesn't help him. Makes no sense, his family wants it and the doctors here want to bring him over so fuck off big government.

Sounds horrific, but I have to agree. If this fucking hot potato issue/person can lead to a relief in suffering for someone else down the line, then good. If not... well... It's a fucking potato who cares?

Doesn't matter, the disease is rare as fuck so this could be one of the few opportunities doctors here get to test this therapy out which could help future children born with it.

Quit being so short sighted.

It would seem in this case the state owns the child

The government has NO RIGHT to tell you whether your baby can live or not. They are willing to let in MILLIONs of fucking 70iq subhumans but cant let 1 baby have a fucking chance to live?

This is about government overeach... The parents have raised 1.6 million dollars already which would most likely cover the transfer but the government wont let them. Wont even let the kid die in his own home. As for me i believe its the parents decision.

Your 'hero' and his cronies are trying their hardest to take healthcare from the most vulnerable in his nation.

You do realize they still get health care even with no insurance right? And they have no obligation to actually pay their hospital bill since they are poor and own nothing.

Was every president before Obama evil because the people didn't have Obamacare and millions were dying under them? No because millions weren't dying.

>Parent's kid because they made it. No one else did.
are you 7? or autistic? how can i hope to reply to you when you think like this?

>Nobody is going to spend the millions needed to equip a plane with a fully functioning life support unit for a baby and fly it all the way from there to here, nobody.

Do you know who your president is?

jta.org/1988/07/20/archive/orthodox-child-with-rare-ailment-is-rescued-aboard-tycoons-jet

>trying their hardest to take healthcare
Wrong, anyone can get treatment. It isn't legal for hospitals to turn the injured away.

absolutely

>For information, I don’t really agree with any political party in this case

The parents raised the money, and are paying for all of it. They should be allowed to do whatever the hell they'd like with trying to help their child. How do you disagree with this?

I don't even care about the kid, it's the point.

>it's a Liberals love Death Panels episode

A Government should never have the power to decide human life should be ended

ESPECIALLY when the parents have raised the funds and have the ability to continue treatment

insurance was cheaper before. and i had cancer in 2010. pre obamacare. very affordable then. the only time my insurance dropped me was when obamacare came out. and there was only one doctor under obamacare i could see within 2 hours of my home. Obamacare is trash

i think they might have actually tested the procedures on him. for the good of the Reich

I'm just going to be a smug asshole here.

Here I thought the Left was fine with it if you killed your kids, do whatever you want and make your kids whatever they want, said people with brain damage and deficiencies were just as deserving of respect and life as the rest of us, and told us the state, in charge of health care, would never, ever decide someone wasn't worth the cost to save and just let them die.

Guess they're just hypocrites. Like always.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you.
>Between Canada and this we live in a reality where we're going to have to have legal disputes about the rights to act as a parent to your child soon
I can't handle this.

>you dont own your children
friendly reminder that this was the exact second that society started going wrong.

yep let the parents donate the kid to science and their money to the doctors

I think it is immoral of the government to sentence the child to death despite the parent's wishes. Charlie is just a baby, he can't decide whether they should pull the plug.