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the madmens say they will declare full independance within 48 hours if the coming referendum is in favor of spliting from spain
is it even possible for them to do that ? how would spain and spanish companies react with such a quick split ?
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Is it true they're the most liberal area of Spain?
need confirmation from a spanish user , but from what i have seen in threads about catalonia , it is spanish california
>it's spanish california
That's what I've read here. I do know that they are Draconian with the Catalan language, even go as far as accepting a complete foreign language instead of Spanish
It's a comfy thought to think of the Spanish government going martial law in the region, and seeing riots and such.
I will vote yes to independence so I can enjoy the rising fire in the streets
Wait for Catalonia, or hell, even Spain to become Venezuela 2.0
Just you wait
>Thought it said california referundum
I got excited for a moment there, user
Spain is a nice place and I enjoyed my time there, but the only region I want to see independent is the Basque Country.
>Lulz, let's create another non-country and join crumbling EU.
>what could possibly go wrong?
I fucking hate this irrelevant independence movement which shouldn't even be allowed.
c*talonians don't deserve to have a state since it were they who went full retard and embraced anarcho-communist garbage in Civil war.
>Is it true they're the most liberal area of Spain?
Yes, it is.
>That's what I've read here. I do know that they are Draconian with the Catalan language, even go as far as accepting a complete foreign language instead of Spanish
Yes, there is even a law there that force the business to have their signs in Catalonian and, if they want, also in Spanish (but it is illegal to have them only in Spanish).
>It's a comfy thought to think of the Spanish government going martial law in the region, and seeing riots and such.
I don't see that happening.... Don't get me wrong, I don't see happening the martial law. There will be riots independently of what will happen with the referendum.
To think that almost identical states/provinces share an almost identical name
I hope it happens so their precious FC Barcelona will collapse within about 6 weeks. Way too many dicksuckers here with their shirts.
I thought they already had the referendum. I heard that everyone joined hands around the border of Catalonia.
Legit. The Basque language isn't even understandable to a Spanish speaker. Catalan is just a dialect.
>within 48 hours
>a government doing sth
Certainly hope it's true though.
Catalans are some stuck up cunts, Castilians will be better off.
Catalans probably gonna claim some gibs though.
Can't wait to collect this flag for real
The old castle language is predominant in a few areas still, the Spanish you learn in school is not the same, we are leaving you
So what's the real likelihood?
>So what's the real likelihood?
They are silencing dissenting voices (for example, their "minister of businesses and knowledge", Jordi Baiget, who said that the referendum is very unlikely to be done in the current shape), so I would say "nearly none". At most, it will be like the last time: totally uncontrolled, illegal, and only those who want the independence going to vote.
They are pseudojews, in the sense of not being jews but acting pretty much like them.
The stereotypes about Catalonians are usually about money and usury, they shilled the state into protectionism in 1860s and even managed to do so in 1950s with Franco, they spend their day complaining about not enough gibs and that Spain should put them in a much more special status(aka, independent but with the benefits of being part of Spain; for example, they said that Spain in case of independence would pay for the retirement of old people).
And in case you need further proofs, they put this thing as the major of their capital: Barcelona, and managed to generate news in English.
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That wasn't even 5 minutes on google to proof that the turbo liberalism of this leftard is dripping internationally... now imagine how bad it is internally.
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why is the EU such cancer for all nations that join it?
RIP in piece Spain
oh, thank you.
happening?
Well it's apparently happening 1st of October
not now but potential happening to look for in october
>the madmens say they will declare full independance within 48 hours if the coming referendum is in favor of spliting from spain
Its just another day of Catalacucks whining about everything.
Their main strength came from the economic crisis when the country was on the verge of civil unrest pretty much like Greece and many people accumulated a lot of political frustration since while the problem originated in the financial sector our political sector did literally nothing until the whole country was pants deep in the crisis. In this context one proposed solution was for Catalacucks to take advantage and secede from the rest of Spain.
But now that Spain is actually seeing "some" light that "might" actually be the end of the tunnel they know that they have to act now or be relegated into a minor force again, so its all or nothing and they are putting all of their tools to provoke some reaction from the government to legitimize their movement.
Hence almost every week there is some offensive statement, law project or weird action that ends up being rejected. Their main wet dream is that the central government ends up fed up and suspend the autonomy system in Catalonia along with the use of police and military force, that's what they are aiming for; an unilateral action that would give them the total legitimacy to do what they want and get international support(the last is also very important, they know that secession would put them out of the EU unless they get a "special deal" like Northern Ireland).
So far the central government hasn't done anything but turning down every law related to unilateral independence and condemning every offensive statement as "illegal and polarizing" and I would say that is mostly waiting for Catalonia to actually dare to do something instead of just saying it.
Is an endurance test, but time is not on the side of Catalonia. Neither PP nor PSOE nor Ciudadanos are willing to allow the secession.
I just get the feeling that if they ever secede they will be fucked sideways with poverty and famine and basically beg Spain to rejoin within like a year.
>I just get the feeling that if they ever secede they will be fucked sideways with poverty and famine and basically beg Spain to rejoin within like a year.
Their arguments are not based around positive things of secession but rather negatives, that is; the Spanish government is too bad so whatever happens will be for the better.
What they seem to fail to acknowledge is that the problems they are not solving problems like corruption, but rather trying to move away from them. Their politicians are no better from ours, their economic structure isn't different too from the rest of Spain(a society based around tourism and lacking industry) and so on, and even freedom is not a problem for them, they have been the "special autonomous community since 1978" getting the autonomous community status before anyone else, much more autonomy and self regulation than practically any other region in Spain(Navarra might compete with their "fueros" but don't get as close) and even more political weight(Podemos is basically in congress for being important in Madrid and Barcelona, that's it and they get like 1/3 of the Congress in a system made to be based around two parties).
If they really expect that without changing much magically everything will be better they are dehilusional, and by doing so both Catalonia and Spain will suffer from their little hissy fit that started 70 years ago and didn't shut up about.
Although the only real argument government has is constitutional blind legality, they do have a point; both parties should have a voice in an issue that will probably damage both,if you don't want to acknowledge this then start assuming than any action that can threaten Spain will be met with disgust and maybe force if your act is final.
Thanks for the insight, I have always just superficially been aware of the issue but now I know a little bit more.
I might trigger a few lads here but I'm getting brexit vibes from this, a whole lot of angry people who never put actual thought in the consequences of their misguided rage.
This again?
"Its for sure going go happen this time guys! The 16352746274th time is the charm!"
I around Barcelona for three months in 2016 and this is all that was ever talked about, and dozens of "rapefugees welcome" signs trying desperately to flood the area with enough migrants to try to get more people to speak your shitty language and vote for independence.
Yeah go ahead and make your own country, its full of muslims, africans and bolivians anyways, watch tourism dry up when people who dont even speak much spanish scoff at the notion of learning your inferior language just to visit. Place is a shithole. Barcelona is your only redeeming facor and it wont sustain you. I hope you do secede just so the world can laugh at you.
Does the Generalitat pay you for making this threads everyday? I know that there are a lot of money flowing to the good catalonians freedom figthers against the evil Espanya.
Dude, the entire independence movement is pushed by blue hairs, and Barcelona is full of sandniggers.
>is it even possible for them to do that ?
The government could, right now, apply article 155 of our constitution, which states that in case the government of a community goes against national interests, they can disavow them and that community will be controlled directly by our government, going so far as bringing in the military if it's requiered.
When is it our time?
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if doing the referendum is illegal, why don't they try to reform the constitution so that they can do the independence thing legally?
if you saw your flag being flown upside down would you recognize it as a distress signal>
why you do this
> why don't they try to reform the constitution so that they can do the independence thing legally?
3 words; Lack of support.
It's the only area in Spain which has kept upt its traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith. That is why Franco's government tried to fill it up with stinking andalusians, and the successive governments with shitskins. And yet in face of all that adversity they still managed to force them to assimilate, rather than accepting (((multiculturalism))), to the point where many people pushing for independence are of non-catalan origin but have assimilated into catalan culture.
Don't believe the eternal spaniards lies. Keep in mind that spaniards are moorish rapebabies. Spain took a dump in Catalonia so to be able to tell everyone that it's full of shit.
We will make Catalonia great again.
t. SJW
Barcelona is pretty much a caliphate.
small independece movement are the work of the jew,(((they))) will take the role of the bigger cunt and use them as a fulcrum to gain power and money
>It's the only area in Spain which has kept upt its traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith.
>only area in Spain
some of you catalonians being so fucking arrogant, pedantic and stupid is the reason i actually want you to do that ILLEGAL referendum and make us drop the military on you
you are the equivalent of sjws with victim inferiority complex in US
The most popular sights in Barcelona are:
>A fuckhueg church designed by a profoundly christian architect (Gaudí)
>A beautiful park as well as other architecture designed by said man
>An active christian monastery on a hill which is said to house the holy grail, pic related is Himmlers visit looking for it
>A christian church built on the highest peak of the city
While in Madrid there's LITERALLY a statue of "the fallen angel", ie Satan.
Leave us the fuck alone. Don't make threads about us. Don't come here. Stop worrying about our country's issues. You have nothing to do with them. Fuck off and die.
Galicia has a much richer history than you, and isn't under the control of SJWs or filled with sandniggers.
Spain doesn't allow for different cultures except the Castilian culture (which is basically barbarian, hence why it must repress other cultures, due to its inferiority complex). Any region that wants to be part of Spain wants to be culturally assimilated by castilians.
I'm Basque and I have nothing to complain about.
In fact, all the independence movements are gone.
You are not special, you do not deserve special treatment, even less when the ones demanding it are SJWs, who will destroy your culture in record time.
> traditional culture for centuries and a deep rooted christian faith
Traditional coin accumulation and deep jewery tactics to get more gibs. The only religion you followed was your own interest even if it meant the abolition of Andalusian industry.
>A fuckhueg church designed by a profoundly christian architect (Gaudí)
Oh, wait did you managed to complete it? 80 more years and you would have taken 2 literal centuries to complete it.
Also it started in 1882, that doesn't have any merit at all when christianity wasn't in such a sorry state.
>An active christian monastery on a hill which is said to house the holy grail, pic related is Himmlers visit looking for it
What a great merit, one monastery! Everyone bow down to your new christian overlords and ignore the amount of muslim madrasas and jew school around.
>A christian church built on the highest peak of the city
Also, Catalonia has the highest amount of mosques of the whole country, 214 is the exact number, and growing taking into account the kind of major you have in office.
>Spain doesn't allow for different cultures except the Castilian culture
Spain has up to 10 different languages, or less if you start considering things like Catalan being merely an overrated dialect. What Spain doesn't allow is for people to start putting their language in every single official document and rather have a single language acting as an unificator for the whole country.
If you expect something like the Austro-Hungarian empire, you are very wrong.
>Catalonia has the highest amount of mosques of the whole country
Wtf? I'm really confused about Catalonia now. When I visited Barcelona it struck me as a really nice city with great architecture and history but it was jarring to see so many shitskins and niggers walking around. I just thought that this was due to the typical EU antics of flooding major cities with non-whites but this might have something to do with the Catalonians or their mindset themselves? Why do they even want independence if they are liberal refugees-welcome cucks? What exactly are they trying to achieve if it's not about preserving their supposed unique people or culture? Do they just hate Spain? Why? Because of some old feud that all sensible people have long moved on about or what?
The numbers are:
>Catalonia (214), Andalucía (138) and Madrid (98).
Catalonia was always the most jewry province of all, that meant that it was far more opened to the outside world and ended up being more tolerant of other cultures to sell more, to the point where right now its a liberal feud where they managed to hold a lefttard secesionist ideology(Esquerra) which is not focused on conservative idiosyncrasy , but rather on being more progressive than the government in Spain. This is something you can see in the young left in Spain; they are starting consider that everything that is not USSR leftism is either fascism or ultralibertarianism, hence why the right wing moderates(PP) are usually called fascists for little things like LGBTQIAÑç clashes over getting special treatments and advantages.
So yes, to some extent they hate Spain, but they hated it since the reunification around the XV century, the lack of gibs when industrialization came in the mid of the XIX century for industrialists and their failed coup attempt in 1936 to totally secede.
It can be argued that since, ironically, the socialist left in Catalonia has been the one who always opposed the nationalism movement in Catalonia indirectly defending national unity, their nationalistic leftardism was born as an answer to unify leftards in their hate of Spain and get more support.
wasnt Catalonia always leftist? Like since the civil war? Welp it is nearer than France so that might explain it
But the difference between the two is small,
If anything its a different accent, not a seperate language
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No. The Spanish government has been very fair to the various cultures that make up Spain. If you want a Nation that has killed all but its central culture look to France, where If it isn't Parisian it isn't french.
Ironically France doesn't have any of the succession problems that plague Spain. Funny how a strong nationalistic government actually works.
nah,they are pretty different,the most simillar to spanish would be galician (im from galicia btw) that was the same language than portuguese 500 years ago.
and about the referendum or whatever.
if they try to secede its simple,fire all the funtionaries that dont follow the orders of the ineterior minister and make catalonia a delegation of the central goverment until new
elections.
catalonia is bankrupt and spain has it by the balls.
and anyway no sane person is going to take a gun and start a civil war,this isnt anime.
>wasnt Catalonia always leftist?
Their right wing always tended to be absorbed by the nationalistic movement and the only change it was into which degree they got absorbed or not. Have in mind that in Catalonia was a strong place for industrialization so the two social clases; workers and industrialists, defined politics there being the workers the pushers for anything socialist that might benefit them and the industrialists for as much protectionism as they could get, both failed to really achieve something except getting angrier but I guess that the workers ended up winning more taking into account how bad went for industrialists in Spain and as extension in Catalonia too.
By the time of the civil war, they weren't really that much left wing as the rest of the "country"(if the 2º republic could be called that), but there anarchism was more predominant and ended up supporting the "second Spanish government"(it was a catalonian government in disguise waiting for the war to end to secede completely) for purely political reasons
>France doesn't have any of the succession
Yes they do, is just that is not as "strong" as it is here.
Thanks. Now I kinda want to see them succeed with their independence bullshit only for their state to completely collapse so that Spain can come back in a few years later and sweep it clean. No more special autonomous status, no more welfare sent there, and hopefully a whole lot of deportations and a eugenics system implemented to rehabilitate the gene-pool, but now I'm just dreaming.
Damn, Asturias will have to start cleaning up Spain again after the EU collapses.
WHY IS THERE A FUCKING PAKI FLAG?!!?!?!!!?!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>the new Catalonians
think about new york or san francisco.
thats the lebel of liberalism,SJW and leftism and diversity in Barcelona,with more hookers and drugs.
no fun place to stay.
also its next to badalona,the most unsafe city of spain since several years now.
>an come back in a few years later and sweep it clean.
Although I would agree that its not going to end up well for them, the Spanish government cannot allow this to happen whether it happens negatively or as catalacucks want; positively.
If they secede the image of Spain internationally would be of a crumbling country, following the process started at the end of the Spanish empire, this meant that economically the whole country would lose trust in the market which can be really damaging since the whole country is still recovering from a hard economical crisis.
Then there is the "call effect" where if one region gets to secede others might follow, or even to set a precedent that one region can leave without much fight from the government. This would affect the stability of the Iberian peninsula as many provinces would ask for more gibs and advantages or they would threaten with seceding, at which point the Spanish government either bows down and gives to them what they want, accept the secession or start being repressive, and repression is no good for the internal or external economy.
Thats not to say that Spain would end up worse than Catalonia, its a big country with acceptable infrastructure and working institutions so its ability to recover is far greater than Catalonia, but Catalonia either gets a switzerland treatment(that is; fiscal paradise along with canton organization) of which the EU would not allow(they have already too many fiscal paradises and even Switzerland doesn't want competition in their own game) or they are going to suffer much more than Spain in the following years, after that I do not dare to say anything about their well being.
So for now, lets behave for the good of both sides.
It will soon be called C-stan over here, just wait and see...
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This is almost surreal. Seeing the magnificent buildings and remnants of a great culture in the background and in the foreground the beings that have overrun them like the jungle reclaiming Mayan temples or Indians and Niggers shitting up the colonial buildings that were left to them. Unaware that they could never create something like that with their own hands.
Truly scenes from the apocalypse.
sure they will be better in a few years governed by the comunists.
LOL
they are sinking and its their choice.
Definitely interesting insights you got there. Obviously, I also don't think there will be major developments that would rock the boat too hard. I would honestly be really surprised if Catalonia suddenly declared independence.
First of all the EU wouldn't be too happy with that and I think the Catalonian leaders themselves must realize how much they would be shooting themselves in the foot by actually doing it.
Many of the local politician supporting secession are probably only doing so to use it as a threat to Madrid and use that as leverage to obtain other political goals. But when push comes to shove many will chicken out and fail to back up their words with actions.
But who knows, people often do irrational things so it could happen after all.
Oh well that just mirrors the Scottish cucks with the SNP, except they don't actually have the balls or money to be independent.
You shouldn't have denied them a referendum, should have just given it to them at the start, watch them vote to remain and then shut them up by shaming them after you've reminded them of their first referendum.
Now what you've done is you've made them more zealous by denying them a referendum, it's basic behavior, you've treated them like a bad dog and they're going to bite.
I say you put that fucking rabid animal down, Cataloniacucks have no rights to be demanding independence, I've been to Barcelona and it's full of darkies and smelly people. Beautiful place but it's full of shit. You know what you must do Pedro. You have to kill them, kill them all!
>MUH CORRIDOR
>given it to them at the start
lol no, you shouldn't do that, they will try and try and try till succed and then bye, the goal isn't the referendum is seccesion, Scothland was claiming for another referendum after Brexit and that was .... 1 year after the first
>Catalonia has 7.5 million inhabitants, including an estimated 450,000 Muslims, who account for 6% of the total Catalan population. In some Catalan towns and cities, the Muslim population now reaches up to 40% of the population.
You tell me.
you guys get brit tourists in that area? Also I will come to Cacalonia to stir shit up
if they vote no to independence we should expell them from spain the same
This time is serious! I swear this time we will do it!
Catalonia, especially Barcelona, was nice and clean last I visited. Friendly people, very nationalistic (not Spanish, lol). Hope you make it as an independent nation.
Like Sicily?
>Polentone
Please don't split in more useless nations. Spain was united for over 600 years wtf
Won't happen! Take it easy, october 1 will be like november 9 few years ago: 10% people votes, 90% for idependence. This time, maybe 20%...
They will get "concierto economico" like the basques and they will stop bitching, half of them will chicken out and the sacred unity of the kingdoms of spain will remain.
Public workers will have problems.
Who cares? only 45% of the people there can speak and understand basque.
Reminder that the instant that happens, your country will fall apart from all the independentist movements you have and you will be so utterly fucked up you will be worse off than a negro.
True. Spain was one of the first European nations, hence the butthurt
I care
It's not a dialect, it's the bastard son of occitan laguage. They are similar. Catalonia has been vassal all the time, first of Occitania, then Aragon and now Castilla.
(Also, sorry for the reddit spacing)
Our constitution doesn't allow any referendum, we work as a federal union (Comunidades Autonomas), but big part of the money it's centralized, that's the question here. If we get control on our taxes like basques and navarros, problem solved.
fuck off commie
Rock Radikal Vasco, the retardest music in all XX century.
I hope it is not an independentist group.
600 years, lolwut those are rookie numbers
NO
It won't happen, people is tired of this shit everyday
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>molt honorable
HAHAHAHAHA
Os ponen la estelada delante y os torean como quieren. Al igual que al resto de cuñaos españoles les ponen la bandera venezolana delante y los torean como quieren.
Good tunes man
The worst part is that they say that even if most of the voters abstain to vote if the percentage goes towards the "yes" they will declare independence anyways.
The thing is that this referendum will be illegal like the one in 9N of 2014. (And they consider themselves democratics for jumping the fence of the law). Because of this most voters declined to vote resulting in a 1/3 of participation of the whole population of Catalonia.
About 80% of the ONE THIRD of the voters voted Catalonia to become an state and to be independent, about 10% only an state and a 4'5% not to be an state or independent. (Rest of votes were null).
So basically they will make the same on this year's referendum with probably similar results wanting to have an assured independence.
The state has the power and the right to stop them because they are doing it illegally but knowing how "huevones" are and the fear they have to be called "fascists" just for the mere use of their right to stop some antidemocratic and anticonstitutional clowns who knows if they will stop them or not and what will happen if they let them do whatever they want when they supposedly can't.
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I I have bad news for you. Is music for edgy teenagers who are so intelectual lazy that believe going against Spain is symbol of a cunning and independent thought.
And when the catacucks have declared Independence then what happens if the spanish authorities simply ignore them?
Do they plan to seize the infrastructure and the strategic key points?
Not really, at the moment.
Good music for making shekels off of commies. Jaiotze Basatia CDs sell for about $150 a pop. Catalonians are commie faggots though.
I wish spain would hang these traitors like the 1700's, but Madrid will just tell them to shut up and they will.