Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
I wanted to learn more about this ideology and especially its roots, so I wanted to buy books to read about it. so far my list goes like this: >What Is To Be Done? by Chernyshevsky >The gift, by Nabokov >State and revolution by Lenin any other suggestion?
Adrian Hughes
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis
Colton Phillips
Yes, please. Pol needs to know what communism actually is so they'll stop using it as a red herring for state-capitalism failing
No need to fight comrade, true AI will render capitalism obsolete within our lifetime.
Planned economy does not work until great comrade AI will arrive. After that we will reach the stars together, unless comrade AI deems us obsolete.
Isaiah Cook
Communism has brought nothing but oppresion and death no matter where or what time in history. To advocate this insane ideology after a hundred million people were murdered by it in the twentieth century is perverse and indicative of an idiot
Jonathan Hall
i wanna facefuck this smug commie
Tyler Thompson
No it isn't Spanish user this is a leftypol raid thread that the mods somehow allow.
Angel Sullivan
if we keep the means of production in the hand of the few, automation and AI will not lead to the prosperity they could enable, but to ever more human suffering we need socialism, precisly because of automation and AI
Nicholas Baker
According to their mindset, you could totally rape her and say you were just seizing the means of reproduction
Gotta start with Marx, no? Communist Mannifesto. It's even ironic how socialists/communists nowadays don't even bother to read it.
Aiden Barnes
Few will not be able to rule the world comrade. The many will not allow it unless the few makes a world where the many are happy as well.
This is not a problem, ideologies do not matter, the people do.
Kayden Stewart
Communism is the only hope for humanity.
Josiah Flores
>Few will not be able to rule the world comrade. The many will not allow it unless the few makes a world where the many are happy as well. So you do believe in the impendig socialist revolution. You are just affraid of admitting that is what it is you believe in because of the stigma.
Asher Stewart
It will not be a revolution as we see it today, it is eventuality which will happen once basic things like food, water and shelter will be as cheap as sand.
Most people fail to see how much of the revolution Marx was talking about is already part of the society. Labor laws, human rights, anti-trust laws.
Much of it is already done yet many people fail to see the slow change towards world free from want.
Austin Edwards
What. What the fuck. How
Jacob Howard
Become Stalinists or die, niggers.
Connor Bell
Fuck off, you spanish faggot
Blake Foster
Speaking of Hope,
Here's an image of Vietnamese boat people. Notice how they didn't flee Vietnam until after Commies took over.
John Moore
No, comrade. I'm afraid the revolution Marx WANTED was about a classless society, which, we still live in; very much.
Jose Fisher
And here's a Huey packed with refugees fleeing the Fall of Saigon.
Nicholas Sullivan
Meybe that is the direction we once were heading in, but right now, the neo-liberals are in power, eroding workers rights and deregulating corporate behaviour, to support shareholder profit over the wellbeing of the population they are supposed to represent. Maybe Communism is the answer, or maybe a strong communist movement is necessary to scare the representatives into representing the people they are supposed to. But either way, the world is hurting for the lack of communist ideologie in the population.
Samuel Morales
And here's a East German girl, probably wishing that she could cross over into West Berlin
James Anderson
What evidence have you to suggest that Vietnam was real communism, besides calling itself it?
Yes, hahaha, I used the >le epic not real communism meme Hahaha, ha But seriously tell me.
Jordan Nelson
And here's some more East Germans full of hope.
Anthony Lewis
Here's an East German full of bullets, being dragged back into East Germany. Hope doesn't get you far enough, sometimes.
I'm not even going to bother justifying you with a response of my own to such a stupid question, so here's copypasta from Wikipedia >Communism in Vietnam has played a key role in the politics of Vietnam since independence. Marxism was introduced into Vietnam with the emergence of three separate communist parties; the Indochinese Communist Party, Annamese Communist Party and the Indochinese Communist Union, joined later by a Trotskyist movement led by Tạ Thu Thâu. In 1930 the Communist International (Comintern) sent Nguyễn Ái Quốc to Hong Kong to coordinate the unification of the parties into the Vietnamese Communist Party with Trần Phú as the first Secretary General.
Brandon Perez
And here's one who hoped he wouldn't have to shoot anybody fleeing Socialist Paradise.
Jonathan Cox
WHERE'S THE LAMB SAUCE? Or any food at all, for that matter.
Luis Jenkins
the atrocities of the DDR are unforgiveable I'm a communist and a german and I would never claim otherwise, eventhough I know I don't speak for all communists communism is supposed to free the people, not emprision them
Michael Young
Vietnam was absolutley "real communism" if such a thing existed. The flight from Saigon was down to a number of reasons.
Parker Martinez
Speaking of being shot, Sometimes it's preferable over Re-education camps.
Jaxon Martin
>proiettile nel cervello
Nolan Murphy
Why is it when the Europeans start waking up, this commie bullshit starts getting posted? Are Europeans really so lazy and desperate for gibs?
Elijah Wright
7777777
Ethan Morales
Europeans haven't been as inundated with American empirialist propaganda as citizens of the USA.
David Russell
The DDR didn't have much choice in the matter. The five year plan alienated just about everyone living in the east, to the point where even Stalin had to intervene and try to stop the government from Collectivizing. By '61 the country was hemorrhaging people to the west.
Daniel Jones
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Jayden Gomez
I do. That's why I think you should kill yourself. Fuck off.
Samuel Fisher
What do commies think about the Transformation problem and the falling rate of profit? Didn't Marx get ass blasted on both those accounts?
Henry Williams
Which is where this North Korean border guard, and his whole family, will end up if he doesn't stop people from leaving Juche Paradise, which is why he faces inwards towards North Korea.
Communism seems to have a very, very good track record so far of doing nothing but imprisoning them. Can you name any examples of it doing the opposite?
Notice how the Sorks don't need to have an MP literally preventing defectors from crossing.
Nolan Allen
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Camden Ward
Communism is so great that people run swim and climb at the threat of violence to get away from it. Communism is so great you need barbed wire and armed guards to make people stay.
Benjamin Hall
Long time I don't see the troll face
Jayden Rodriguez
>capitalism is failing
LUL
Adrian Reed
you're all so so stupid and should know better if you're posting here
Hudson Hill
Start up the rotors
Nolan Morgan
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Luis Green
ewwwww he's a cummie
Gavin Martinez
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Gavin Martin
Class in a world where human need is obsolete is a mental construct and all are able to forge themselves to be what they want to be.
In such world class is based on what people want to do, what they aim to do and what they are willing to do. I see no problem in such systems of class. People who want to rise above their nature and be better should be allowed to do so, and they should be the ones who should be allowed to attempt to lift others with them. Not due to honor of nationa or prestige but due progress, culture and many hidden truths of nature which humans should strive to answer.
Marx in the end was still just a product of his time, he saw something and much of it is already fixed.
This is true, US did the world a terrible service with its corporate laws. But in the end people will act and react. Political ideologies will rise and fall. Remember that world is not united and many parts of the world are much much wiser than the US.
Also, could be the PEOPLE might not want what few agitators of communism had to offer but they were the only ones who reached to them. We need to educate the world, that is in the end all that matters. Once all can read, write, have basic education and have basic needs met things like communism itself will become obsolete too.
Mason Martinez
Though North Korean border guards shoot would-be defectors as they cross, and sometimes have even attacked them after entering South Korea, they would mostly agree that it's easier to shoot those pesky political dissidents before they make a break for the border or do anything counter-revolutionary. Like, say, in China.
Henry Hall
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Landon Murphy
finland, first off thank you for the spurdo sparde invetion
Luke Wood
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Brandon Cox
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Kevin Russell
The Sorks do infact have MP's guarding their part of the DMZ, there is an exclusion zone on the North Side, so the chances of any Nork civvie getting anywhere close to the DMZ is nil.
Eli Peterson
I'm not claiming it's "not real socialism". I'm saying that the socialism I support results from values that are incompatible with the actions taken by those states and I refuse to be an apologist for them. I still agree with the basic idea.
Alexander Morris
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Charles Davis
Though it might be hard sometimes to stop them from defecting with your very valuable fighter jets, taking incredible risks in flying blind, without maps, into possibly hostile anti-air batteries to escape Socialist Paradise.
Like this Soviet jet which landed in a municipal Japanese airport.
Dominic Butler
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Nathaniel Thompson
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Aaron Wright
there must be a class of those that cannot consent and a class that can classlessness = just the kind of judaic pedophilia they want
James Anderson
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Kayden Martinez
Why?
Chase Gray
-incredible- risks, like this South Vietnamese pilot, who after dropping his family and friends off on a US ship during the fall of Saigon, flying through NVA anti-air fire, jumped out of his Huey into the ocean to await rescue.
Nork soldiers have defected across the border. That is why another, more loyal Nork soldier is there to prevent it.
Sorks have MPs, of course. They're there to keep the Norks out, and have been killed in the line of duty in the past defending Nork defectors after they crossed the border. Most notably, the Sorks don't need an MP to stop people from defecting to North Korea.
Michael Garcia
Risks like these Venezuelan protestors are taking, standing up to a repressive, oppressive, Socialist government which has driven them and their country into the ground.
Josiah Martin
Because ultimately, they have nothing left to lose.
Jaxson Clark
That isn't quite true, look at the image, the South Korean MP's are facing outward toward the civilians.
Landon Edwards
so it was real socialism but it never worked but it's okay because it wasn't real socialism?
Samuel Collins
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Leo Lewis
Yes, he's cherry picked an image where a couple of MPs are watching over an event occuring there. The other 364 days of the year, the DMZ looks like this.
Ian James
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Ayden Hill
What. How the fuck can you strawman this hard. Explicitly clarified that he is not brushing it off as not real socialism, yet you still strawmanned him for this. The fuck. You guys plug your ears more than SJW's
Blake Bell
FFS! The retard is back.
Communism Doesn't Work. Communism Has Never Worked. Communism Will Never Work. Communism Doesn't Work.
Why is this such a hard thing for you to understand?!
I mean these fuckers you speak of NEVER held a real job, NEVER lived in the real world, and you fucking wonder why Communism Doesn't Work?
Next time you're in your fucking drum circle with your other college drop outs, look around and notice that not ONE of them studied Economics or Business studies, funny that huh!.. And communism keeps going bankrupt.. Its almost like there is a correlation.
And I know this because every time I see you fuckers your doing some sort of "social studies" or as its more commonly know "A know nothing waste of time for retards"
No doubt you'll want to point at the 3 seconds where communism didn't fall flat on its face, but the Iron Lady herself said it best.
"Socialism is great, up to the point where you run out of other people's money"
Kevin Harris
Maybe because everything has been taken from you
Noah Miller
Or maybe just because your intrinsically flawed system has finally caved in on its self
Jace Reyes
Ebin : DDDDDD
Luke Turner
And so, the last thing you have left is hope for a better future
Sebastian Bennett
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Jonathan Gutierrez
Thanks for joining me through this pictorial journey through Communism. Hopefully you've learned something through it, or at least paused to consider why Communism, Socialism, and Marxism, in all of its ugly forms, seems to cause mass exodus and disaster wherever it takes root.
Matthew Scott
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Justin Howard
Yeah, uhuh user. We are totally the one's plugging our ears, and brushing off evidence...
But I'll put that snarky aggression away for a second because I have an honest question
Are you actually convinced that you're right? That socialism just means taking from others? that communism has actually been tried? I'm really not trying to come off as condescending, I just want to understand this burning frustration with an ideology I see misconceived so often
Bentley Martinez
Why are y'all's memes so fucking shitty?
Lincoln Scott
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Elijah James
Yes, it was socialism. I support a socialism that acts differently. Within any idology there are different tendencies.You can be for one and against the other and still support the basic idea.
Noah Russell
Probably because you don't understand them. Usually inside jokes can look pretty bad when you don't have context
Jackson Williams
They had a choice, not be criminal scum.
Christopher Morales
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Ethan Scott
No we just understand that there are literally zero reasons to engage delusional commies in a debate of sorts. A. You aren't people. B. If you are unable to see the failures of communism by now, then you are already a lost cause. C. You are people.
Thomas Perez
That's right. The important distinction to make in this ideological conflict is Marxist-Leninist and Classical Marxist or Anarcho-Communism Most communist actually identify with Anarcho-Communist actually identify as Anarcho-Communist and don't believe forcing communism through the state is a good idea.
Aiden Gutierrez
A Star Trek reference is not an inside joke, you simple minded plebeian. Furthermore, why would you waste the time constructing memes that apparently heavily rely on esoteric "knowledge"? Are you just exceptionally fucking stupid? Or is this indicative of a broad trend within the communist ranks? I really do like to believe the latter. While literally no one needs assistance when it comes to making communist swine out to be boots for trousers retarded, extra ammunition, especially the kind that paints with broad strokes, is always appreciated.
James Stewart
If people want to leave your group, they should be allowed to. If they are not, a basic value of human life is void, and at that point, what are you doing the whole thing for.
It's the same as with torture of the united states. The reason it is so wrong, is because if the US tortures, they have no ethical claim to do what they do. The only thing they have left is self preservation. But they loose every claim to moral superiority.
Jackson Kelly
Kek, see? This meme explains how it isn't real communism. >the state controlled the means of production >they killed their people
but if >The people controlled the means of production They would have no theoretical power, who has the food / water / basic needs, has the power This is the basis of Marxist theory
