Where did feminism go too far?

Where did feminism go too far?

>First wave (women's right to vote)
>Second wave (women's liberation movement, fighting social, cultural and political inequalities)
>Third wave (gender violence, abortion, rights for transwomen, glass ceilings, etc.)

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First wave feminism

3rd. I know many 2nd wave feminists and they think the 3rd wave is just fucking retarded.

You put money in them and sex falls out

>women's right to vote
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>First wave (women's right to vote)

That one right there. Women should not be allowed to vote. They make even more stupid decisions then men, on average. They cannot govern, do not have concerns for security of their nation, and do not care about corruption.

yeah, it's enough to make you think the world recognizes that women are half the planet's population
But don't worry, you can buy a latex woman for yourself and jerk into that without any backchat and other pointless crap

First wave was the mistake, the rest is just inevitable consequences. History confirms

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You put penis in them and then baby falls out

Women sold out. They once fought for liberation during the second wave. Instead they settled for equality and began to cry foul when they found themselves subjected to the same brutal and uncaring market forces that men were always subjected to. They felt the cruel equality of being just another unit of capital. The 3rd wave was an attempt to continue the narrative of oppression. It's a hopeless failure.

Third wave.

Voting rights is basically taxation without representation. As reasonable as it gets.

Second wave is meritocracy: if you got skill, you must get reward no matter the sex.

Third is obviously crazy.

This, it was marxist nonsense from the start, meant to divide the family unit.

First generation is nested in mass democracy so it's a separate problem. Second is really the problem because of its damaging effect on the family unit.

The third is just a symptom of a dying society.

Women already had a say in the vote through their husband's and fathers. Women's suffrage essentially destroyed Western society by changing the most smallest social unit from the family to the individual. Every other social decay followed this change.

Third one.

First and Second had some legit points and, from egoistical POV, were justified.
I mean, if you expect me to make sacrifices, but offer jackshit in return, you can straight up go to huj.

Literally first wave.

Women vote to have immigrants flood our nations, because they see one sad picture. Then they make it a crime to speak out against their actions, and completely downplay the effects that their actions have. They're literally children, and their leadership destroys civilization.

Just for an example, women pushed the prohibition movement. Which is a textbook example nowadays of complete lack of foresight in lawmaking.

I know a little about roman history, and I don't know if it's a meme or not, but I do think it's important to look at fallen civilizations and examine the reasons for their downfall. For Rome, it was degeneracy, allowing the barbarians in, and giving women more freedoms than they should have.

Women are second class citizens, and should be treated as such. Negroids are basically rakes with hands, and should be treated as such. Denying all of that has caused us nothing but problems.

>Women already had a say in the vote through their husband's and fathers

You already has a say in your vote through (((Soros))), why you bitch about it, stupid goy?

Feminism has an inherent flaw, because it has always operated from the idea that men and women should live independent from each other instead of living together in a family unit.

You put real coins in there YOU BUM!

They're machines that you put sperm into until a kid falls out.

She's right, though. Chicks spread their legs for Chads, not brads.

You can't treat one gender as individuals and not the other.

I'd argue for a system with voting rights only for families with children who are not welfare dependent. One vote per family.

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I love history, and especially ancient history.

And no great empire or civilization had women at the helm, or treated them as more than advisors. Sometimes some had women rulers, but not for long, and no peoples are defined by their exceptions.

The fact is that men are meant to rule. Giving women more power than they're due is like letting a child drive a car. Equality has been tried before throughout history, and it's never worked. The fact is that no one is equal, least of all the two sexes and the races.

So the situation now, where white men, who did basically everything noteworthy on this planet, are completely shamed and discriminated against. It's ass backwards. Niggers are taught that they actually have a history where whites have oppressed them. Instead of the truth, which is that arabs killed scores more of them and brutally killed them, blacks enslaved themselves in Africa, and most of the "whites" that owned blacks were Jews. And above that, that it was whites who pushed hard to end slavery around the world.

But women who can vote, who teach our children, teach them lies and feel-bad stories about how whites actually ruin everything. It's insane. It's the opposite of the truth. They sympathize with the 'downtrodden;, who are actually 'downtrodden' because they're inferior, like themselves, but they have to find a reason. So they turn the only race of men who've done anything good on this planet into the enemy.

I just hope that Asians remain racist, and when all the whites are gone, they kill everyone and start a new age.

And what if the wife and the husband disagree then?

>implying the 2nd wave is any better

2nd wave is actually much more dangerous than the 3rd wave, it completely destroyed the family uniti.

3rd wave is merely a subproduct of the 2nd

I don't put kindness coins, I offer wealth and security in exchange of moral and physical relief plus the ability to have children.

>Second wave is meritocracy: if you got skill, you must get reward no matter the sex.

Yeah, let's just pretend women are supposed to work instead of being mothers. What a great social situation came out of it.

>comparing the influence of a stranger over another stranger with the influence of a wife over his husband

Well, you are a national bolshevik, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised of your mental retardation

What if they disagree on what to have for dinner? Who does the cleaning? How to raise the children? What house to buy? Disagreement, communication and negotiation are parts of being a family unit.

Sylvia Plath led a boring, depressed life, made fairly poor poetry, and eventually killed herself. Why in the FUCK would anyone listen to her commentary on social interactions?

Surely the patriarchal oppression was too much for her virtuous soul.

First wave was already too far. Voting shouldn't be a right that's just handed to anyone that's 18. It needs to be earned. The original US system of only property owners having voting rights was bretty gud. Maybe change it to net tax payers having voting rights and it would be golden.

I don't hate women but I have to support this position. Women are not the more rational gender. Men tend to vote more with their heads and women with their hearts. Logic is always the better reference when making important decisions while the idea of "follow your heart" remains a fools errand.

No you have to put a $5000 rock in and still there is a lottory odds on where you get sex.

>I offer wealth and security

How very kind of you :)

After sexual revolution of 1960's when they have achieved most of their credible goals. After that they lost their purpose of existance.

Egdy virgin.

You put drugs into them and baby's fall out.

It's literally your role as a male though it seems to be a lost "art".

>I can't argue my position: the post

Actually you put kindness into women and only the taste of salty coins come out.

It's like the machine for fucking is broken or something

Slovenly cunts

>*spits in your face*

Ill shoot you and your family deadbeat.

Feminist are a product of the jews. In the 70s, jew women wanted more say in heb life so they did what jews do, they manipulated the white women around them into believing that this was an issue that effected them as well. They used all sorts of trick that are still around today, the fictional gender wage gap, general rights, access to services. They took all these talking point to manufacture rage within the white female population. Why you ask? The same reason the jews have manipulated other populations before, they need other people to fight their battles since they are too weak to fight their own.

>being kind
>to women
Yes I've learned to not make that mistake

Well I mean you don't have to register with your government to have dinner. Come voting day, the father and the mother want to cast different votes, but they only get one, which is legally recognised then? Whoever gets to the booth first? That'd be biased to whoever works less.

>when all the whites are gone

Whites will never be "gone" and neither will any other race. Different climates created the separate races, and when the power grid crashes (as it is bound to eventually), the different racial traits will return to their individual geographic locations.

In 500 years, Europe's demographics will be similar to what they were 500 years ago. Our technology cannot fight God/mother nature forever.

>women did not work until XX century
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They could vote for home. But really, the fact that you have doubts about which side(father/mother) should have the final decision means we are very fucked up as a society.

First wave was already too far. Women tend to make emotional decisions, this has already been verified many times.
Not all of course, but a significant amount to keep the shitlords who rule currently in power. Because they don't question things and blindly follow emotions and empty promises.
Women generally vote more left and libertarian, which is not good for society.
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I am sorry, did I write that?

Or are you just pretending to ignore the fact that most women didn't work during the first half of our century?

>Men pay most taxes
>Women receive most welfare
>Women vote to take money from men
>Men vote to keep their money

>Men defend the country
>Women enjoy a defended country
>Women vote to bring dangerous people into the country
>Men vote to keep dangerous people out

repeat for every issue.

What if someone of them buys a house in secret? Gambles away all their money? These things happen and are far more destructive. They get a voting card for the family and the one who uses it at the ballot box is recognized. You could also have a system where both of them have to bring themselves and an ID to the voting office, or a signature and ID from the party that isn't present.

But honestly, I don't think we should bet on families being like backstabbing feral animals. If you have managed to get kids and then provide for them without handouts there's a high chance that you're a reasonable person. The things you talk about might happen but I bet they'd be uncommon. No democratic system is perfect, shit happens now too.

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Plath was a sad loser

Correction: first half of XX century

The corporations want women to be empowered because men are better at spending money wisely. Men save more money than women (percentage wise), but women control more of the average household spending.

If there's one thing the (((banks))) and (((corporations))) hate, it's people who aren't impulsive with their money.

Your argument is valid, but the better reaction would've been to exclude them from taxes (like it used to be...)
After all they don't have to serve years in the army either.
This whole women in workforce instead of family narrative is imo just a zionist agenda to destroy families, family bonding, disrupt parental education and weaken society so it can be easier controlled.

Sylvia Plath committed suicide at the age of 30 by sticking her head in the oven. So after years of running her mouth, and spreading a wave of immoral destruction she went back to the kitchen where she truly belonged.

I get what you're saying but I think it's debatable who did the "work" in farms. Both worked very hard in their domains. The bread winner/housewife system is very modern for the vast majority of people.

>old legitimate feminists actually had genuine grievances
>eventually achieve true equality
>modern feminists act like things are worse than ever
>black slaves actually had pretty shitty lives regardless of how slavery started
>slavery is abolished
>things get better and better
>civil rights movement was a mistake as was the disintegration of segregation but you can at least understand WHY they wanted it
>equality is achieved, more or less
>modern blacks act like they're living under double-apartheid

She's right.
>They are machines you put currency coins into until sex falls out.

Rich women maybe? Peasants still worked in fields and town women still got jobs.

West did have huge unemployment problems because of Great Depression, i give you that.

That's right!
Women were machines that you put baby batter in and children pop out

Yeah so let's pretend that women are as strong as men on average.

Like the military. That'll work out. Like that article about how zero women could pass a physical test, but are let through anyway because to do otherwise would be sexist.

Literally letting people die for a false premise.

Women and non whites are so inferior that all mass media and courts have to enforce anti white male policies at gunpoint, by armed white males. Have you thought about the issue of non white cops and judges enforcing anti white law on white males? Will white males continue to accept open discrimination against them when the enforcers are no longer white men? The post World War II generations are so stupid and soft it is mind blowing at times.

Grasp that before you say women are even remotely close to males in general quality. I'll say it again: Armed white males enforce all the anti white male laws in all western societies. Women don't enforce that. Niggers don't enforce that. White men enforce that. Grasp that!

Didn't that bitch shove her head in an oven?

The sad thing is that the allies were on the wrong side. They won the war, but put forward a precedent that was false, fueled by following the complete opposite of racism and fascism and national socialism, ending at the most extreme opposite they could find, which is where we are getting close to today. Which is kind of horseshoe in a way, because here we are denying science in favor of ideology.

Sure but what does that have to do with my post about a voting system with voting only for families with children who are self sufficient?

Died in the kitchen.

I like to masturbate to it as I listen to death metal

Literally hitler

It's funny, these days you don't even need the kindness coins.
Feminism turned women into degenerate, mindless sluts.

This quote is actually true tho

> declare the truth based on objective facts and evidence
> "i dont hate women but even I.. "

The red pill is a tough one but your on your way kid.

Roughly 1/3 of women worked in the era right before 2nd wave feminism and this was the highest level of female employment ever reached as far as I know

Take away all the laws that forbid white males from favoring other white males and watch all the supposedly equal and superior others fall back into place.

You can't claim fair play when you turn a blind eye to anti white male laws (which are enforced by armed white males.) Discrimination is wrong? Yeah, right. Only when white males do it, right? How much longer will white males continue to accept open discrimination against them? Every other group of person may discriminate in their own favor, but not white males. Something truly horrifying is coming for the proud Super Women and their non white sex toys.

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It's the cause for all the following shit and destroys the family as unit by dividing the interests of men and women. Men voted for the family, women for their gibmedats.

Most women (of the most poor classes) worked 24/7 most of the history.

WWI simply required maximum mobilization from societies, in particular 100% involvement of women in industrial-grade jobs and careers. No Zionism required. Traditional societies simply became developed societies' bitches. Natural selection.

It was cultural marxist garbage from the start. Feminism has never and will never be good.

>The womens right to vote
That right there.
It switched from the family voting to the individual voting. Which is a whole new game.
Catering to the individual instead to the family is a huge part of what destroys the west.
If you dont mind a long but really good read I got it from one of you guys.

The first political issue is always the ethno state. All other talk is only related to policy in such a state, that's always implicit.

Yes. There is nothing degenerate or excessive about this quote. It is just plain human decency and morality.

>Most women (of the most poor classes) worked 24/7 most of the history.

Nobody denied that. The majority of women didn't work during the first half of XX century, though.
>Traditional societies simply became developed societies' bitches. Natural selection.

Oh, I agree that this is natural selection at work, but not in the way you would think

weforum.org/agenda/2015/11/the-relationship-between-womens-education-and-fertility/

I honestly find it really tragic but also a bit hilarious how everyone, including Sup Forums, think that men can be "real men" alongside modern western society and all the feminism and chivalry women have.

None of you can accept that the world has irreversibly changed, and you are all a part of that sea change. Instead of bitching about young men like everyone else does, accept that technology and feminism have went too far, and that's why you can't get everyone to be a perfect 'real man' to complete the last piece of the puzzle. Get over it.

That's bullshit. There was never ever a family voting. An individual has always voted - and our modern system - whatever its' flaws are - is atleast better than the Noble Republic - that destroyed states immediately.

In a sane world it would be a critique of second wave feminism who sought to free women from the bonds of family and tradition and deliver them to the wonderful role as a production unit and atomized consumer.

When it started.

It was de facto vote per family because of social norms. The land owning bachelor in that era was essentially unknown.

You missed the objectification/sexualization of third wave feminism, its primary tenet is making women into sex objects.

All feminism is the product of capitalism, materialism, individualism, and hedonism, and accelerated the degeneracy of its causes. Aestheticism has been killed in favor of eroticism.

It says a lot about how our society has declined when women hate on men who are kind and try to be gentlemen. Good virtues are actively hated.

>"Girls are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out" - some femshit
That's the problem. That's why men stopped putting kindness coins and pulling the plug on the "girl machine" all together and replace it with the "sexbot with artificial wombs machine" because not only will sex fall out of it when you put kindness coins into it, sex will fall out of it even if you didn't put any kindness coins into it. It just gives you sex. And children, if you want.

It's a better investment than the shitty girl machine that has an abysmal ROI. Let the girl machine rust and break down from disuse and lack of maintenance.

Isn't that second?

But they are.
Wine them, dine them, vagine them.

>As white European birthrates continue to decline, shitskin birthrates continue to rise, and 1 in 4 Germans is now a foreigner.

White genocide is real, Europe in 500 years will be the color of mud if we let this go on.

Yeah, the world can be changed and it will change eventually. That's one of the few things we can be sure of.

Why does feminism emasculate boys and tell them to act more feminine in our schools then?

everyone can responding now , this is the ultimate truth.
before money it was food.
now money can buy them useless shiny garbage so they prefer that over the rest.

kek