Was Stalin really going to Invade Germany?

So Hitler claimed that Russia was going to invade Germany if he waited. Is this really true or a bunch of Nazi propaganda?

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It's obviously nazi propaganda

how do you know?

The USSR was likely going to bring military action against some of Eastern Europe if nothing happened, and Germany would eventually be one of the few places between it and the rest of Europe, but they probably wouldn't have directly invaded Germany first.

>just had a devastating lose against finland
>germany is one of biggest military powers
>germany seeks alliance with england against russia
>just sogned nap woth germany
>literally dozens better easier targets
>hitler said in mk he wanted to invade russia
>wehrmacht said no immediate threat of soviet attack
>soviet attack would unify all europe against soviets
>stalin ignored intelligence reports about hitler prepping for war because muh treaty
Sup Forums is satire newbro. You have to be clinically retarded to fall for the memes.

The USSR did not have the strength to attack.
Hitler wanted to capture Moscow for 3 months.

Of course he would have sooner or later, that's why HItler attacked when the commies weren't ready yet

Stalin was happy to let the west destroy themselves and then maybe sweep in like 5 years later when they were all exhausted, but France collapsed faster than anyone expected and Britain was pushed off the continent.

If he did plan to invade, it was still several years off

So the Germans are dishonorable scum who need to be wiped out then????

Because USSR was a shithole. It would be a catastrophic mistake to attack

Yes they did. Russia had a fuckton of manpower. Stalin himself said in the early 1930s that when the next great war came he would throw all the weight of russia into the war and decide the outcome at the right time

>implying
Fucking soviets waited a week with attacking, thereby leaving only germany to blame for the attack and triggering the anglo-polish defence pact. It's no wonder Hitler thought Stalin would betray him once more. He would be stupid to sit idly by.

Wrong. The Russians are an honorable peoples who would honor the treaties they sign. What I'm gathering here is that Germans are pussies who attack when you're not ready.

>>stalin ignored intelligence reports about hitler prepping for war because muh treaty
I've read that he ignored them because Hitler didn't prepare for a war in winter, which to Stalin was obvious. Additionally Stalin was preparing himself to attack Germany to swoop in and take over whole Europe as a saviour. From then on, US would be easy picking...

That is no evidence that he would have attacked Hitler.

>Was Stalin really going to Invade Germany?
nope

Poles are biased against Russia so your word means nothing here.

>honor treaties
>wait a week until they invade poland after promising a set date.
>should be declared war on by england but wasn't because they waited so long.
>laughed as germany was now in a war with england after germany begged them to understand they were merely reclaiming stolen land.

Sure, real honorable people.

hitler thought russia was allied with britain.

So hitler was surrounded. britain controlled seas, america would ally with britain eventually, and then russia would supply the army.

that said, germany did have nerve gas, and if they did not invade russia, they could have focused on developing nuclear weapons.

Well the Russians are peaceful peoples who don't like war so obviously they waited a week to get themselves mentally ready to do as those damn fucking Nazis did so easily. Which is to kill innocence.

The English didn't declare war on the russians because they never had any intention do so in the first place

Hell the polish-english/french pact even mentioned a defense only incase of a german aggression

Russkis attacking late had nothing to do with it

Yeah the Nazis were pretty retarded when you really think about it. One mistake after another. Being dishonorable trash gets you no where.

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Oh so the Russians started most of the European wars?????? Hmmmm i think not, they always get attacked and then shit on the attacker. Pretty Honorable if you ask me.

>merely reclaiming stolen land
>take more land than you had even with the polish majoroty lands that were part of the kaiserreich
Naziaboos are the most beta people on earth

Incomplete humans who wanna prove to the world that they are in fact as great as the English and French who actually managed to get empires together.

False.
first, March 31, 1939, England guaranteed polish independence.
then, on August 25, two days after the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the mutual assistance pact between England and Poland was signed. The agreement contained promises of mutual military assistance between the nations in the event either was attacked by some "European country". Apparently the USSR wasn't seen as a "european country" at the time, even though Belarus now is.
It's just that russians always stab their allies in the back, seen with the nazi-soviet pact and then with the blockades and the wall after the war.
There was a part of Germany that wasn't connected to the main part of Germany, it was being harassed by the Polish, Hitler had threatened them to stand down, but Polish militarymen kept walking into Germany.

>harassed by the Polish, Hitler had threatened them to stand down, but Polish militarymen kept walking into Germany.
Case and point.
Germany took way more land than that you moron.
Stop believing things you read on Sup Forums
ARE YOU 15? Jesus Christ

are you retarded? he literally did invade germany. the soviets occupied half of europe for 50 years.

Yeah reminds of "WMD's in Iraq". Bullshit excuse to try and build an Empire.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov

Fake.

That argument comes from an amateur historian Viktor Suvorov and his book "Icebreaker". It was debunked a number od times.

Well he pretty much needed to after England declared "total war" and then had the french throw a few rocks at them.
Hitler gave them plenty of chances.
You don't have to believe everything on Sup Forums to believe that the victors weren't the good guys.

You're the biggest cuck i've ever seen, you're not even saying anything, you're just nodding your head.

What is this??? A Croat NOT taking the side of the Nazis??????? My god a fucking Miracle , now apologize for killing a million Serbs you scum.

>In a secret protocol of the pact, the United Kingdom offered assistance in the case of an attack on Poland specifically by Germany,[3] while in the case of attack by other countries the parties were required to "consult together on measures to be taken in common".

It's even on goypedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance#British_guarantee_to_Poland

Actually, Stalin wanted to ally with Hitler against the British, who Stalin always saw as the Soviet Union's real enemy. Stalin didn't like Jews either, purging most of them from the government in 1937.

Hitler refused the offer. It was the worst mistake he ever made

If he accepted, the world would be totally different today

According to the memoirs of his associates, Stalin was genuinely shocked at Hitler's betrayal. At first, he didn't even believe Hitler ordered the attack, suspecting a rogue general in the Wehrmacht.

Suvorov is literally a kike.

Says the guy sucking Nazi dick to this day. Go cry over interracial couples you fucking pussy. Muhhhhh race waaaaaaaaaa muhhh race wuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I've watched Russian government produced documentaries attesting to the fact that the Soviet Union never expected a German invasion since it was always assumed they would strike first.

Oh god here we go. What's wrong with being Jewish?????

Yup, they always were, under Hitler especially. Great tactics, definitely effective, but scummy nontheless. Poland was attacked without an official declaration of war

The Soviets invaded Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and attacked Finland. It was only a matter of time.

>Poland was attacked without an official declaration of war

didn't they give Poland an ultimatum to cede german clay?

youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>autistic screeching and straw manning

I did read that. Yet they never met up or decided if they were going to declare war to the country that had the other half of Poland under their control.
Nah, they just had to side with the backstabbers.
They were literally just jealous of how big and successful Germany had become in a time of great famine and poverty.

I'm not saying every move Germany made was correct, I'm saying that Stalin was a backstabber.
You sound like you're paid to say this, that's how shit your posts are.

Filling 80% of mass media CEO positions and indoctrinating the masses with their message of "it's good that millions of arabs and africans are slowly taking over Europe".
There's several strong ties between ISIS and Israel, healing terrorists in their hospitals and supplying guns, they even said they'd rather have ISIS than the syrian government.

All in all you're fucking worthless to talk to.

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There's operation icebreaker etc; few other things but evidence and reference is sparse due to the nature of the war, soviets certainly didn't want anything to justify Hitler.
There's a god deal of information about Soviets seeing Hitler as a potential destabilizer towards western forces and sparking world revolution as they wanted, Stalin only ceased a portion of Europe and relapsed into communism for one nation etc, maybe its not all true but interesting stuff.

Most ultimatums are bullshit and impossible to implement in the time given. Go look at the ultimatum given to Serbia by the Austrians. It was a joke.

Read Icebreaker, defected soviet officer reveals that Stalin was planning to attack Germany just as Hitler anticipated.

Stalin also broke the NAP with Germany by invading Bukovina after Hitler told him that he wouldn't allow a second invasion of romania.

it was totally possible. they just didnt want austrians to investigate because they knew their security services were involved

Right...
If that is the case why were the soviets all in forward position and training for war? Thats how they were so easily encircled btw

All of the countries you mention have a thing in common; they were a part of the Russian empire once. Germany was not.

Germany was not ready to invade the soviet union, contemporary opinion of the Wehrmacht was that the German armed forced would be ready late 1943.

Well now I guess all those (excluding finland) were in the reich once too now

Propaganda.

War between the two nations was inevitable really but the Soviets would not have done it for a few more years.
Don't let Stormfags fool you into thinking it was a pre-emptive strike. It wasn't.
Hitler wanted Russia for the resources and living space.

Varg?? really? If you're gonna use the word "autistic" don's use Varg as an image to prove your point.

Communism was globalism by force and trickery. Don't expect Soviets to hold on to old lands, he just wanted the easiest territories. There were still plenty of communists in those countries, and they were small and weak.

It's not a (((coincidence))) that it's literally always the fucking jews that are behind shit like pic related and the anti-white SJW PC police bullshit. The massive amount of lies, the massively exaggerated claims about the holocaust, emperical Zionism of the Jewish supremacist state aka Israel, 9/11 and the dancing mossad agents videotaping the twin towers burning to the ground while they jump around high fiving each other and celebrating, the attack on the USS Liberty where Israel bombed an American ship which was in international waters for several hours, ignoring radio calls and claiming they mistook the ship for was from Egypt or some shit.

I could literally go on for hours. I don't think every single jew is evil, but there sure are a fuck ton of slimeballs in their ranks

Loving all the soviet revisionists in this thread.

STALIN DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY HE DINDU NUFFIN.

>So Hitler claimed that Russia was going to invade Germany if he waited. Is this really true or a bunch of Nazi propaganda?

Before Nazis took the power, communists in the USSR still had had the plans to light up the world revolution.

But when Hitler showed to all of Europe that he was going to remilitarise Germany and make it great again Stalin became pro-versaille (USSR even joined League of Nations).

So, USSR wanted to create some form of collective security system in Europe in order to stabilize the situation. He feared the most that Western countries would unite with Hitler against bolshevism.

But Western countries were too weak, they were pacifistic and didn't want to go to war. They didn't want to make any concrete deals with USSR against possivle German agression, instead they tried to pacify Hitler with Austria and Czhehoslovakia. Hitler deceived them, saying that the only thing he wanted was German-populated territories. After the Munich Conference the USSR was in political isolation basically.

But then crazy fanatic named Adolf Hitler declared war on Poland and Stalin used the opportunity to make a deal with Germany. He couldn't agree with the West, so he made an arragement with Hitler.
After that, Stalin strategy was to watch how capitalistic dogs fight with each other and laugh.

Nazi apologists often argue that Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941 only ended up preceding a planned Europe invasion of Stalin by mere days or at best, weeks. The German invasion of the Soviet Union was thus a preventive war, meaning: Hitler wasn't such a great villain after all - he had only valiantly tried to defend Europe from a Soviet invasion, and because half of Europe did end up becoming part of the East Bloc for the decades that followed anyway, we should, in fact, nevertheless thank Hitler for his actions and crown him Savior of Western Europe from the Red Terror via the heroic deeds and sacrifice of the Wehrmacht and its Axis allies!

>It wasn't a preemptive strike
>>The Peaceful people of the Soviet Union didn't invade a half dozen nations including Lativia Lithuania Estonia Poland Finland Belarus and the Bessarabian region of Romania

Didn't stop them from attacking Finland, the Baltics, or Eastern Poland under the same conditions. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

Stalin had always intended to invade Europe, much like Lenin with his failed war against Poland. His aim was to let the other European powers fight amoungst themselves and weaken each other so he could swoop in near the end and claim the continent. When Hitler beat France in six weeks, Stalin was pissed and figured he would go through with the plan anyway.

Yeah they hate war so much that they started one with Finland for basically no reason. You're cringey and retarded.

>Icebreaker, defected soviet officer

His name is Suvorov aka Rezun, he is not even a historian, he is a laughingstock and a traitor

>that said, germany did have nerve gas
So did we, we had nerve gas during the first Crimean war and were going to use it on the Russians but then decided not to.

Lucky Russians! Would have got gassed! WE GAS YOU GOOD! WE GAS YOU ALL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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A traitor to communism is a friend of the truth.

>Go look at the ultimatum given to Serbia by the Austrians. It was a joke.

This is pretty much the only thing people can say on here about austrian history that still triggers my asshurt after all these years

It was far from impossible, it was just that the people that had a hand in the assassination rather sold out an entire country than have themselves being uncovered trying to start shit

This, Israel wants Assad out, they support ISIS rebels and probably helped them carry out the false flag attack that happened recently with the poison gas. There is no fucking way Assad would gas his people, especially when he is beating ISIS with the help of Russia. Also, ISIS has been caught trying to frame Syria with gas attacks in the past.

Another important note is the "evidence" of WMD's in Iraq came from Mossad, they leaked it to the CIA. Netanyahu gave some big speech to the US senate or congress, can't remember, but he ranted about how great it would be in the middle east if Sadam was removed from power... look how well that worked, lol.

Israel is closer to our greatest enemy than our greatest "ally".

I see nothing wrong with that. Also that is a lovely cover of the glorious Russian Anthem thanks for sharing. I hope the US and Russia can become great allies and take on those traitors in the EU

B-but muh glorious gommunism :*(

Because the Soviet army was completely unprepared and hadn't been planning on any offensive operations against Germany?

Because they just invaded Poland you dunce

Well all the evidence has piled up against the Germans. They deserve their terrible reputation.Now let's focus on stopping them from Destroying Europe again with the Muslims. OHHHH TOOO LATE :(

>His aim was to let the other European powers fight amoungst themselves and weaken each other so he could swoop in near the end and claim the continent

Sounds oddly familiar doesn't it

>Stalin was pissed and figured he would go through with the plan anyway.
Where is this plan You're talking about?

Dude, poland was filled with fucking soviet soldiers.
It's just that they had to resupply from eastern USSR because the Germans were kicking their ass. No wonder if barely anyone in your army even knows what "Germany" is.

We like Russia though, STOP HATING RUSSIA.

Kind of. Stalin had no reason to trust Hitler in the long run and had plenty of reason to see Germany crippled. However, at the same time the Soviet military despite its enormous size (when the Germans launched operation Barbarossa the Soviet Union had about a 3.5 to 1 advantage in tanks and aircraft and Soviet tanks were generally superior to their German counterparts) wasn't fully prepared for war in 1941 and was still recovering from the officer purges and from the losses taken in winning the winter war. With that in mind the Soviet Union was building up much faster than Germany and even if the western allies never landed in Europe independently (which was unlikely, even without Soviet intervention North Africa would have inevitably fallen to the allies and a natural extension of that would be invasions of Southern Europe) the Soviet Union would have eventually invaded the Third Reich in order to destroy the powerful anti-communist alliance (Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria) sitting right on their borders.

Had the Soviets had an extra 2-3 years of peace and invaded in 1943 or 1944 odds are even a prepared anti-communist coalition would have been defeated in a year or two as the Soviet army would simply be too massive and too well equipped for the Germans to deal with.

Put simply Germany never had a chance, war with the USSR was inevitable and Germany lacked the industry and manpower to ever defeat them. It is a miracle Germany defeated France in 1940, and the fate of Germany was decided in 1939. Ideally Hitler should have given up his territorial ambitions at Danzig and tried to repair their shattered reputation in the west after the betrayal following the treaty of Munich. Of course the German economy was unstable and without war the German economy would have imploded in a few years anyway.

GUYS GUYS

A conclusion has been reached. Germany was the aggressor and they deserve everything that came their way after losing so pathetically.

yes.

Both countries wanted to have a combination of w. european industrial infrastracture with e. european space and resources. Such an Eurasian empire would be unstoppable. It could even build an army and fleet latge enough to invade the US.

In 1940 Stalin and Hitler were simultanously preparing to invade each other. Hitler struck first. Stalin won. If it had not been for the US army and NATO Stalin would have reached Lisbon by 1947.

Stalin refused to believe reports than Germany prepared an invasion. He was convinced Hitler would honor Molotov-Ribentrop pact.
Even after attack it took Stalin weeks to come out with a speech

After the Germans went in Stalin was shutin with his vodka for three days so I guess not expected.

Russia is okay at the moment. Shame the russians still like stalin though.

Shorten it down and stop mixing everything up.
Learn to use sentences correctly.
Hitler had no reason to trust Stalin in the long run. German tanks were far superior. The USSR barely had any planes, and obviously barely anyone to pilot them.
You're fucking retarded and indoctrinated.

Look into Winter War and Terijoki Govt.

Stalin was going to invade Europe.

>Stalin refused to believe reports than Germany prepared an invasion
>Molotov Line
>new T-34 and KV-1

oh yes

There would have been war sooner or later, but Stalin wasn't ready to attack yet.
Hitler figured that since Britain wasn't making peace even after the campaign in France, they must have some other ally in Europe. The only country that was big enough to make a difference and wasn't already allied with Germany was the Soviet Union, so he thought that when he committed the Wehrmacht to an invasion of Britain, the Soviet Union would attack from the east and overrun Germany. In reality he had simply underestimated british stubbornness and stupidity.

>1941
> the start of a new 5-year military production plan
I know you Poles are still butthurt and all, but consider the following: attacking someone as powerful as Germany at the beginning of a 5-year plan would have been a bit too retarded for anybody and Stalin wasn't megalomaniac idiot like Hitler

Russia is sexy country.

>So Hitler claimed that Russia was going to invade Germany if he waited. Is this really true or a bunch of Nazi propaganda?

True.

US decided to land to Normandy precisely because of this threat.

1940's were very contrasted, politically speaking.
Either you were far-right, either you were far-left.

As Nazis were considered as far-right, majority was anti Nazi, therefore, was far-left.

Furthermore, as Hitler decided to fight on two fronts, east and west (biggest mistake in military strategy), he was done, for sure, early as 1943.

Even if Stalin wouldn't had been successful to military conquer West Europe, ideas and minds were largely communist friendly (which explain far-left inspired social laws in 1945).

US had no other choice. The threat to see Europe from Moldovia to Portugal to turn red was too important.

>implying Finland is not rightful russian clay

oh

>The Peaceful people of the Soviet Union didn't invade a half dozen nations including
>Lativia Lithuania Estonia Poland Finland Belarus and the Bessarabian region of Romania

But that was after the Munich Conference ant it was a clever move to push back the borders from your capital when a war-mongering psychopath started a war near your country.

That is not my point.

No, he was going to give free food and protection to everyone on the Nazi occupied borders. And also hugs, lots and lots of hugs.

communists were starting wars all over europe long before nazis were around

>Furthermore, as Hitler decided to fight on two fronts, east and west (biggest mistake in military strategy), he was done, for sure, early as 1943.
Well it was either getting backstabbed from the east or fighting on two fronts.

Suvorov is a kike, and if you agree with him you're a kikelover

>starting wars all over europe long before nazis were around

like a ...?

proof of kikery?

>Stalin and Hitler were simultanously preparing to invade each other

How that coincide with the simple fact that the USSR wanted to create alliance with Czechoslovakia and France before 1938 against possible German aggression?