The final redpill

Consumer capitalism has all but destroyed culture and identity in the west, replacing it with individualism and self preoccupation. Basement dwellers talking about muh heritage on a Cambodian knitting forum and rednecks having a yearly festival in who knows where will NEVER bring it back. Individualism WON community and culture LOST, the alt-right is fighting a war over a decaying horse that died decades ago. The west won't be Islamified, on the contrary immigrants and there religion/culture will slowly die as ours did.

ISIS, Alt-right, We Wuz kingz and all other traditionalist/"back to our roots" movements are destined to fizzle out and die as technology, interconnectedness and individualism becomes more dominant. You're standing against the flow of history. new and fluent sub-cultures will appear no doubt, but the large homogeneous cultures and religions of the past will be destroyed in a world of "individuals" and totally open social/cultural barriers. Welcome to the future faggots.

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Muh linear history

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>b-but we can change the course of history
this isn't a Hollywood movie kid, sorry but the build up to this has been happening over the last half a century its not a "phase" its a movement in global social/cultural history that's gained unstoppable momentum like when Abrahamic religions took over paganism in the west or when Feminism rose to acceptance in the developed world, history is full of examples. The further connectedness of the modern era makes it not only more inevitable, but likely to spread further and faster.

In the west, yes. East Asia will have the last homogeneous societies in the world, and when the global capital system collapses, the individualist West will descend into complete chaos as everyone scrambles to reestablish high trust communities to defend against the medium-intensity civil conflict. I think totalitarian regimes will swoop in at that point. Meanwhile, the East will weather the storm due to high social trust, and they'll move in to take over the ruins after the western warns end.

Statsindividualism requires abundance. Once that ends, you get socialism, and then economic collapse, and then civil war between a diversified population. The East just has to sit and wait for the west to fall apart. Individualism is fun in the good times, but it's incapable of weathering economic hardship. Evolution selects against individualism and multicultural nations, which is why they're rare in history.

Unless you can guarantee infinite prosperity for all time, then your notion of "the flow of history" is wrong. The flow is always against diverse polities--they're fickle and blow over easily.

On the contrary we see these movements continue to grow by the day as intergroup interaction creates cultural and ethnic tension. Furthermore, a heavily individualistic society is not sustainable, if nothing else, because of low birth rates clashing with conflicting political interests. You can't have a dwindling labor force provide gibs for an aging population and not expect there to be some young vs old tension and political unrest. There will always be forces that change the status quo, but we will tend back to homogeny and conservativism because it is what we as humans know and it is what served us for thousands of years

You do realize culture isn't just skin color right? Homogeneous culture is just as on the downfall in the east as the west.

>Individualism WON community and culture LOST, the alt-right is fighting a war over a decaying horse that died decades ago.

Who said individualism= moral decadence?
All moral bullshit is a personal choice. Losing culture is because individualism is dying. The foundation of patriotism is based on a personal devotion to yourself and one's country.
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ISIS, Alt-right, We Wuz kingz and all other traditionalist/"back to our roots" movements are destined to fizzle out and die as technology, interconnectedness and individualism becomes more dominant
the only reason why you aren't conflating collectivism with this is because no communist society ever prospered enough to feed themselves let alone let their immoral decadence take over. Collectivism is only good as an aim, not a means. Individualism is a means for both the good and the bad, hence why it is good as a means only. The combination of the two is a healthy culture. Your blame on capitalism is unfounded

Just let me think my future isn't living in a bleak, monochrome, atheistic, nihilistic world, you nigger. That shit is depressing.

You realize that RACE isn't just skin color right? Culture is downstream of biology. The average character of a population determines culture. Multiracial societies can produce civilized culture--that's not the issue. The issue is that genetically diverse populations have low social trust, and low civic engagement, which makes them bad at handling hardship. Economic collapse, natural disasters, war, famine, whatever--a diverse population fractures more easily under those pressures than a homogeneous population. The would wasn't created with homogenous countries sprouting from the ground. They develop over time because they are the most successful arrangement. Wars are fought to separate different peoples into separate geographical areas where their homogeneous identities can establish stable polities. Nature ALWAYS selects for homogeneity, either through miscegenation, eradication, or expulsion. The heterogeneous societies don't survive.

I suggest you read Putnam's study out of Harvard on the effects of diversity on civil society.

God bless you

>Consumer capitalism has all but destroyed culture and identity in the west
be commie somewhere else

Not an argument
Globalism is just capitalism's endgame

>Shills for the system pushed on his country's flag in order to destroy it

>tips "historical materialism"

That's all well and good (if you like classical liberalism that is) but how do we avoid fighting a war of ideas given how lethal weaponry has become since the 80s?

Do we really just need to fight with memes?

globalism is capitalism at its finest
ppl opposing global capitalism are filthy commies who need one short helicopter ride

>Globalism is just capitalism's endgame

Well, it's a good thing we're waging our war against globalism now so that we can watch it burn in our lifetimes, isn't it?

>Culture is downstream of biology. The average character of a population determines culture.
That is waaay debatable user. Tons of serious anthropologists would disagree.

commie detected

10/10 post. This has been similar to my analysis. double digit iw dweebs can't fathom that the world has moved on in spite of them, and can only cry and dream, making shitty clickbait memes for the sake of nostalgia for a time long gone. But, my analysis includes the normalization of contraceptives alongside globalism, where greed and money dictates action rather than collectivist ideas of culture and all that horseshit that these manbabies are crying so much about nowadays. The Indians and their cultures went extinct (practicallly) in America as a consequence of immigration. It happens all the time. Get over yourselves you fucking hypocrites and crybabies.

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You know who else supports globalism? Commies.

>. Economic collapse, natural disasters, war, famine, whatever--a diverse population fractures more easily under those pressures than a homogeneous population.
Proofs? Do you seriously expect anyone with half a brain to believe that with no evidence whatsoever. Low IQ scum detected. Face it, the future belongs to those with a)good looks and athleticism and b) those that are highly intelligent or conscientious. If you don't fall in one of those categories, then I'm sorry to break it to you bud, it's no one's fault and it's just destiny. I would beckon for you to read into Native American History. The patterns are eerie. Putnam's study does not account for natural disasters and all that stuff you discussed earlier in your post. You can't just extrapolate from civic life to natural disaster. Besides, once more and more people integrate into their respective societies, I expect the study to become null. Otherwise, the ball's in your court.

commies hate capitalism, they know shit about economy, that's why I expected more from Sup Forums, if you are anti-cultural marxism you also should reject their economical point of view

The final redpill is turning to Jesus.

>always do the opposite of what lefty says
NOT AN ARGUMENT

You just said you're pro-globalism, which means you support the dissolution of local cultures and massive unending waves of immigration from all corners of the world to everywhere else in the world. How exactly are you not a cultural marxist?

What if you're just a humanist?

Everything that has happened happened because the Jews are aiming for a one world government, currency, and religion under Lucifer. This they will achieve but in the Book of Revelations Jesus will triumph and all those who accepted the mark of the beast will be sent into a lake of fire along with Lucifer.

>you support the dissolution of local cultures and massive unending waves of immigration
nope, just support global capitalism
fuck EU, fuck UN, fuck leftiest

GLOBAL CAPITALISM NECESSITATES THE UNFETTERED MOVEMENT OF LABOR (I.E. PEOPLE) YOU FUCKING DUNCE.

>Everything that's not extreme laizee faire capitalism is communism!

doesn't mean it destroys your culture when those ppl must work hard so you will spent your hard earned money on their work to keep them alive or you won't so they will starve and die on the street. it's only up to you

>mfw I unironically don't see any problem with that since Lucifer is the good guy in that book
>mfw one world govt sound peachy
Fortunately, Sup Forums really is (((them))) all along.

correct

Hahahaha yes user! Pajeet will work VERY hard to accommodate to Southern culture. Oh, and you don't mind if he brings his whole family too right? BASED Indians and all.

>implying culture is something finite that you lose by mixing it
The only way to reduce cultural drift is by making communication faster. And even that wouldn't suffice because human culture just is fucking fractal.

>Everything that has happened happened because the Jews are aiming for a one world government, currency, and religion under Lucifer.
You give too much credit to Jewish people. Sure, they do have a disproportionate amount of influence, but influence is natural. You do it, I do it, we all do it. To point at the Jews and tell them that they have an undue amount of influence is to tell a nigger he has a giant cock and has an undue amount of sexual capital. They are both retarded things to say in the final analysis, and just makes you look like a pathetic, whiny little weasel.

You mean... People will just be who they want to be? They'll give up fighting over color differences, religions, century-old rivalries, gender, nationality, whatever? They'll simply be themselves while maintaining an interconnectedness that facilitates and maintains the safe, riskless expression of the self? That technology will aid in creating a world of abundance, where petty squabbling with "unwanteds" just to get some extra scraps will no longer be necessary? A perfect balance of collective need and individual want?

I agree. This IS the true red pill.

Welcome to the world where freedom and equality exist in their maximal form simultaneously.

Welcome to anarcho-communism.

Yeah user the trend really has been tending to greater economic equality over the last 50 years!

>individualism

what difference does it make where they starve?
it's about your money. they come to most of countries because they got money from your taxes. just cut the taxes and destroy the whole social security programs: you'll be richer, they will starve
>profit

I think OP is more referring to a kind of collective selfishness, Brave New World style, rather than individualism truly.

>Money money money money profits money
Fuck off Noah Rosenkrantz

>free stuff
>social benefits
>leech on taxpayers
find a job
you're nothing but socialist cancer to society

>taking anything from Oscar Wilde as valid
He was a man that spoke in tongues. He could contradict himself twice in the same sentence and claim neutrality to be happy about it. You sound like a young fag to take him seriously.

Equality doesn't exist. If you want equality, then you have to know when you've been locked out, and when to get tough and hard. Blacks have it figured out. Read the studies by Martin Daly and you can see how the solution to inequality is not fighting words, but fighting fists. So, I should include in my previous analysis that the future also belongs to the courageous as well, but it ain't pretty. Time are changin' and there's nothing you can do about by living in the shadows.

No, it hasn't. It has gotten increasingly more unequal, more unfair. But here's the thing: people see it now, more than ever. Marx predicted capitalism would not break until the workers saw it for the dead end game it always was - a world where the rich prosper ever more and the rest stagnate.

Class consciousness of that fact is rising at record pace - again, as Marx predicted it would as capitalism entered its terminal stage. Most millennials in the U.S. now identify as socialists rather than capitalists - nothing like this has ever been witnessed. Some try to chalk it up to youth, or evil pinko professors. But youth and pinko professors existed 50 years ago, too; but the Boomers were never majority socialist. The problem is staring you in the face: smart young people with masters degrees working at Starbucks. The youth aren't rapidly turning to leftism because it's a trend. They're doing it because they're fucking broke, and they're sick of it.

Global communication, now open to everyone on earth, has given the workers the last tool they needed to coordinate the final showdown - the end of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Once again, Marx predicted that this would be the Achilles' heel of capitalism: it would globalize, maximizing inequality, but introducing the workers of the world to each other - and uniting them against a common enemy.

The time is fast approaching, my friends! Even you fascists, in all your fear and self-loathing, can still yet join in the glorious coming of the age of unlimited prosperity and freedom for all!

Workers of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

>that MikeeUSA brand autism
I wonder what that good for nothing neet with a law degree is up to these days.

wow. someone's going to get some college aged Tumblr puss

>LARPing faggot
Communism is impossible in a scarce society.
Ancoms are as retarded as ancaps.

You're an absolute fucking moron. It doesn't matter what I say to you, because you'll probably just insert some shit into my mouth about benefits that I didn't say, and continue shilling for the economic system forcibly pushed on to your flag in order to destroy it.

literally who?

hey user, why don't you set the example and just pay your employees at your start-up business their fair share! It should be easy since... oh wait...

>Individualism WON community and culture LOST

I like this a lot. What does a world without culture look like though. That doesn't seem to make sense. Semi-borderless culture probably makes more sense. People adopt cultures from a mixture of websites. Right now, everyone basically sees a lot of the same stuff. But if there's ever a time when people choose to segregate and see/read completely different stuff (think of virtual reality), then culture would develop.

I also think. for sure, people will eventually work less hours per week as the world population levels off. So there would be more hours in a week to devote to whatever hobby or world you want to inhabit.

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Are you arguing that a country with high social trust and civic engagement will perform the same as a society with low social trust and low civic engagement in the even of a catastrophe? You think those societies would be equally capable of banding together? You think they would have equal incidents of brigandry, looting, and exploitation? We already know atomization results from the breakdown of civic engagement. Do you think atomization is conducive to cooperation?

so then: what's the best economic system in your opinion?

Depends of the state of affairs user.
If fast growth can be sustained then it's for sure capitalism. But that shit breaks down without it.

That's like asking what the best size pants are.
I favor which ever system allows for the most self-employment possible.

you are what you own user ;)

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No, we support internationalism.

it's all about human action
do you put collective interests before your own or do you put yourself before others?

British Empire
Austrian Empire
French Empire
Ottoman Empire
Umayyad dynasty
Assyrian Empire

literally ALL multiethnic polities have fallen apart, and done so violently and with excessive bloodshed.

It's a mystery to me why the nation-states of Europe (some of which have maintained their territorial integrity since the 800s) are enthusiastically marching towards a system with such horrifying historical outcomes.

How can there be a global working class uprising to seize the factors of production, if everything is only produced in the countries most devoid of a working class mentality among workers (currently Asia)? Millennials can resent capitalists all they want, but their resentment and attacks towards the capitalists will never bring the factors of production back to developed countries with working class cultures.

>KJI
>coherent ideology
Pick zero.

Russia is still kicking.

Impliggity-plying Juche is representative of Communist beliefs.

I would never start a business and nor should anyone else in a capitalist world. It is impossible for co-ops to compete with those who rob their workers of the surplus value.

If our creator only put us here to serve ourselves, why do others exist?

>global communication
>growing membership of socialist organizations around the world including poorer countries

We continue to agitate and educate, in our own countries and everywhere else. Our time is not quite come yet - we are living through the dying cry of capitalism, but he's a stubborn old bastard. He's not ready to go without making a mess first.

yeah, after losing, what, a third of it's territory after the fall of communism?

and Russia is a miserable society to live in. Who would actively want to become more like Russia? No one!

Most of the "scarcity" today is artificial scarcity, and you know that as well as I do. We live in a world with starving people miles from superstores that throw counltess pounds of food away every night. The wastefulness and inefficiency of capitalism is what creates scarcity today - not a lack of resources. And what little natural scarcity does exist will soon be a thing of the past. 3D printing, automation, etc. will make it such that a world without work is possible, if those who lust for power aren't permitted to hoard and distribute as they please - and they will not be, because as I said, consciousness is growing rapidly.

we cooperete with others because we have needs that our creator gave us. there's no group sin, there's no group absolution. it's only up to you as a individual. just a pure relation between you and our creator

>Most of the "scarcity" today is artificial scarcity, and you know that as well as I do.
Energy and rare earths you fucking moron.
Take away cheap petrol and the entire world will light up.

you realize that while you fight to defeat western capitalism there are literally dozen of ethnic groups waiting in the wings to destroy and take over the ruins of our society?

Third worlders don't give a shit about the false dichotomy Marxists beat off to. Once the west has exhausted itself in a civil war, they will move in to take the spoils for themselves. And they will have no problem with forcing their culture on whatever remains of western society.

Ask yourself this, commie, do you really want that? Is beating the rich chads really worth becoming a slave to foreigners in your own country?

Capitalism, by its very nature, is shit. It must devour everything: the environment, communities, nations. All must be subjugated to the motive of profit, and if one CEO is too ethical for that, he will be replaced by another who isn't. When regulations hinder profits, they are removed, sooner or later. When the laborer in a country isn't desperate enough, and when wages aren't low enough, corporations bring in hordes of stupid foreigners to compete with the natives and to inflate the labor pool.

>capitalism is pretty much: the people own the companies but laws still exist to keep things ethical.
Don't kid yourself. People own companies in the sense that the companies are owned by human beings, but certainly not "the people". How much control does the American public have over Microsoft or GM - companies that are hard at work to bankrupt the American worker by outsourcing and importing H1B poo-in-loos? How much control do the German people have over Siemens?

The companies have no loyalty to their home countries whatsoever and they answer to no one. All they care about is ever-increasing profits, and when the profit motive is in conflict with the interest of the community - and it fucking is -, then the profit motive wins, every time.

I am arguing that it is a dubious claim to categorize a 'non-homogeneous' society as better than a homogeneous society in times of duress as opposed to times of civility, especially in our age, when globalism and multiculturalism are in its early stages and has yet to really take hold, so to speak, and without immediate evidence for or against that claim. Plus, a natural disaster is a natural disaster, and to measure the 'performance' of such an event is imprecise and prone to bias and hogwash. We do not know at all, that in times of disaster, that one society is inherently more conducive to well-being than another.
I believe that people that hold SIMILAR BELIEFS AND PRINCIPLES ABOUT BASIC HUMAN DECENCY, can occur in a society that is homogeneous or non-homogeneous. The holding of similar beliefs is not dependent on ethnicity (the type of homogeneity that i think you speak of), but rather, on good communication, which I do not believe is dependent on ethnic homogeneity, but a more general homogeneity that can be achieved by means of globalism that we have yet to fully embrace. Sure, as things currently stand, we have yet to witness the full effects of globalism. But, once we do, whenever or however that might be, I hope I can come back to you and discuss the issues at hand then.

trudeau-like leaf

All things have a tendency to fall dibshit. I would argue that innately, things fall apart. Entropy as a natural law guarantees it, and not the fact of 'multikulti' itself.

I have a chance to live in post-soviet country
I don't buy your marxist shit

gtfo of New Zealand chink

You say it as if people can't simply reject what society has become and branch off and start anew in a safer haven far away from what our modern civilization has become. Haven't you heard of the Amish?

Mudslimes are already overrunning western culture by converting white women to Islam.
It's almost as if American women are retarded or something

It's part of human decency to look after one's own first. People look after their own children before their neighbor's. People look after their own tribe before their neighbor's. People look after their own nation before their neighbor's. It has always been, and it stands to reason that it will always be the limiting factor of excessive diversity in any given geographic area. I also don't believe 100% homogeneity is necessary, nor practical, or even possible. What is possible, and the historical norm is overwhelming dominance (not just predominance) of a single demographic over a given geography--dominance enough so that no minority ethnicity can make no demands of the dominant culture. This is the norm in East Asia.

You're right that we will find out if all of this works soon enough. My original point what that if/when the Western experiment fails, East Asia will be the last civilization standing. I for one think it's good that Civilization is not dependent on the multicultural experiment working, and it will go on when the West collapses under its own hubris.

Not for long.

You are a paranoid schizophrenic. Anyone who leaves their home from time to time and actually *speaks* to people - including the other ethnic groups you speak of - knows that what you just said is complete bull shit. Your nightmares of millions of zombie-like hoards of "ethnic groups" coming to steal your stuff and exploit you are idiotic, fed by the nonsense the idiots at Breitbart post on a daily basis ("SHOCKING VIDEO OF REFUGEES OR SOMETHING MOVING AROUND EN MASSE AHHHH!")

Stop being so afraid. The vast majority of all people want the same things. The idea that "they" are going to act like white westerners and enslave you in the 21st century is absurd, backed up by nothing, pure paranoia. Luckily, the younger people are, the more they know this. The one benefit of not being able to get decent jobs is that millennials have been left with a lot of free time to socialize - and they have discovered that the paranoid fantasies of their ancestors are less than worthless.

Communism has failed everytime it's been tried, but today, less and less people go hungry that can still complain about their crummy jobs because of their crummy lives that they fail to attribute to themselves. No one likes to be wrong and will transfer responsibility to the first idea that grabs hold. Communism is a scam and history proves that to be the case. I implore you to kys, for the sake of the working class, because one way or another, those are the options communism gives you you limp-wristed faggot.

are even fucking looking at what I wrote. France, as a political entity has existed for over 1200 years. That's unheard of in history. Typically societies last no more than 200 years.

England has existed for about 1100 years. Germany, in the form of the Holy Roman Empire, has been around for 1000.

There is nothing even close to that in multi-ethnic empires I've listed. And I challenge you to find one that has existed even half as long as those European states.

>Not for long.
>implying we have any realistic way of meeting the world's energetic demands let alone making them irrelevant
You're one of those pie-in-the-sky idiots who didn't actually understand Marx.

listen you fucking Jew. a one world one culture no thinking tolerant diverse 8am-5pm social media addicted debt slaved society is NOT the fucking answer.

you're the type of person that needs to see something in order to understand, rather than being able to visualize based on your existing knowledge because of your fear of losing credibility. you seem too new to me. get the fuck back to your karma (good goy points) hoarding playpen. better just think that humans aren't animals and are different species like everything else that lives on this planet. that would be a bad thought to have, besides, we need more proof.

Define existence. Humanity, as diverse as it is, has existed on this planet for eons. A little experimentation isn't sure to destroy the entire human race now is it?
But I hear you're point, and raise you the world.

Capitalism has failed everytime it's been tried. Everywhere it has been tried, malnutrition, starvation, exploitation, imperialism, dashed hopes, destroyed ambitions and the death of the intellect has followed. It is time to admit that capitalism was a valid and necessary stage in human development, but that it is no longer feasible, discredited by history; nothing more than a new set of bosses barking the same old orders.

Capitalism must die. In fact, it is already dying.

I've been here for years, before Trump even. I came around in the Libertarian era. Soooooo, no.

and aren't* different species unlike*

>At the end of FY 2017 the gross US federal government debt is estimated to be $20.1 trillion
wtf i luv catipulism

>Communism has failed everytime it's been tried. Fixed

The technology is more or less already there, and getting even better. Nothing but the political manipulations of a small but dedicated cabal of oil vultures stands in the way. The petroleum problem is one of politics, not of technology.

gee, if only there were some historical examples I could point out where the exact senario I'm describing has happened. Oh wait.....

Rome fell to the Germans after several hundred years of Germanic immigration. First they came as refugees fleeing a war in the East, then the co-opted the Roman military, and then they sacked Rome. It can happen again.

What else is there? Perhaps we should consider what happened to the Arab caliphates after they invaded central asia? They were subjected to never ending waves of Turkic and Mongolian invaders. Who have ruled over the Arabs in their homelands for more than 1000 years. Last time I checked, the middle east was both a highly diverse place, and a major shithole. So I guess you're narrative fails again.


Or what about that time the Celtic rulers in the British Isles invited Saxon mercenaries to fight a war against other celtic tribes? How'd that work out for the British celts? Oh, that's right, they were ethnically cleansed from their own country, and the British Isles now speaks the language of the mercenaries they INVITED into their society.

give me a fucking break.

Did someone say............

.................TECHNOLOGY

Yes, I notice the debt is suddenly no longer a problem, considering the right-capitalists just want to cut taxes for their corporate overlords and set the supply-side disaster right back in motion. Luckily these types, contrary to what you'd believe through Sup Forums, are a breed quickly going extinct.

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