So far these are my ideas for Natcap. >economy will incorporate elements from pre-corporatist America and Pinochet's Chile. >Government's power will be limited to securing borders, helicoptering commies and shitskins, and ensuring voluntary contracts are upheld. >Christianity will be the main religion, however separation of church and state will be maintained. >Islam and Judaism straight up banned obviously >Economic and individual freedom will be of constitutional priority. >lobbying banned. >Immigration limited to Aryans and intelligent whites.
Any Natsocs are welcome, and more advice on how to preserve White Christian identity is appreciated.
And of course any Ancaps redpilling the masses on the benefits of Capitalism is always good.
As long as it's not ancap, fuck that retarded ideology.
Adam Morales
cool
Ethan Morales
I hate to agree with a commie but this. LfCap>AnCap because Minarchism>Anarchism and that is because objective law>polycentric law
William James
that would literally be the most autistic ideology ever
Carson Stewart
>economy Good. >government power Good as long as you allow private contractors to compete with the public sector on a for-profit basis. >Christianity Why? >Islam and Judaism Again, why? >freedom Good. >lobbying Good. >immigration Why? As long as we uphold a national Castle doctrine and abolish welfare, muhnorities shouldn't be a problem.
Nolan Young
Do you know that separation of church and state meant that the government would not pick a specific sect of Christianity to follow? You can't separate Christianity and the US government, but the US government cannot be solely Methodist, Anglican, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, etc.
Jayden Foster
So it's basically Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain and Pétain's France? >le epik based muhnorities guyssss!! Loool >>>>>>Reddit
Christopher Roberts
And that is precisely why it's such a great idea.
William Brown
Yeah, this ideology makes me happy. I hope it gains more traction.
Jordan Green
That's a good thing.
Hudson Reyes
>government power will be limited to killing off dissenters and generally whoever they wish That doesn't seem like much of a limit.
Jonathan Nguyen
NatSoc works within limited government, free market scenarios where a group of consenting individuals agree to work together in that manner. As long as they do not impose on any nonconsenting people and only take measures to defend against aggressors.
Capitalism cannot exist within NatSoc scenarios, however. The well intentioned but ultimate downfall of the economy is created not by the limited welfare of NatSoc nations (govt subsidizes for the very elderly is about the only welfare I would be anywhere near supporting), but the regulation and nationalization of corporations. This mixture of half of column A, half of column B leads to the engineering of a market which has historically never provided a healthy market, has always without fail provided inflation, and creates cracks in the govt infrastructure where markets need to be fluid but the govt cannot allow it for stability's sake.
Thomas Allen
>that flag I didn't say that muhnorities were "based,"I simply said they wouldn't be a problem if they were starved of what makes their communities so shitty and we had the right to shoot them if they invaded our property.
Cooper Robinson
>incorporating shitskin country's policy >not realizing (((capitalism))) is the ultimate blue pill
Jayden Torres
Reminder that Objectivism is the only possible /final/ redpill. Libertarianism is incomplete Objectivism. Objectivism without the epistemology. youtube.com/watch?v=erytcpYpzRk Objectivism is Nationalist, Capitalist, Individualist, Egoist, Libertarian, Minarchist, and Meritocratic all rolled into one. Cultural Marxists are terrified of Ayn Rand as she represents the American Constution completed; a rejection of the Primordial evil that is Altruism that the US founding fathers lacked. Epistemologically validated, metaphysically defined, and ethically expanded, Objectivism is the greatest threat Commies have ever encountered which is why they cannot even bear to have it discussed as a philosophy. The dreaded, horrible secret that academic philosophers face (and why they do not even allow the notion of Objectivism as a philosophy) is that Objectivism is not -a- Philosophy but THE Philosophy. Hers holds the particular distinction of being the first ever formulated META-Philosophy. And psudeo-intellectuals the world over are perpetually butthurt over this incontrovertible fact. Yes fact, I do not exaggerate. Including it among their other disaparate half formed, half actualized "philosophies", they find it eats everything it comes into contact with. This disrupts their vested interest in keeping a fanciful salad-esque collection of philosophies to catalog away and do nothing objectively meritous with it on their own terms. Despite what these sorts of people would have to say it isn't Ayn Rand but academia as it stands that is "the joke".
Alexander James
>National inherently internationaist system
Nathaniel Gray
They're inferior subhumans, you fucking retard. Minorities are a problem by merely existing and they should stay in their own shithole countries. The master race must destroy the slave races.
Evan Hughes
on a serious note. If you're already ok with government interference, why not provide basic welfare as well?
Robert Nelson
Wow, that's edgy.
Samuel Green
>official state religion >Separation of church and state All ancaps are fucking retards.
Logan Lee
Says the ideology literally built by Jews
>inb4 oy vey and backpeddling
Shoo shoo shlomo
Hunter Gonzalez
In terms of immigration it's very nationalistic.
Zachary Gutierrez
Its funny because only kids who have never had a job in their life and live off their parents shill for this type of shit. Why the hell would you want your boss to have the ability to make you his complete bitch?
Liam Brown
>implying capitalism wasn't designed by British Jews
Carter Evans
Because I don't like poverty shackles.
Noah Brooks
>edgy Back to Faggdit. You are probably a subhuman yourself.
Jeremiah Bailey
>((()))
Jacob Sanders
>naming yourself after a term invented by a Jew, then adopted by Jews
lol
National Socialism is transcendent, economy is not central. If you make it central, you're basically just a different form of liberal ideology.
But I guess ancaps don't care about anything that is traditional anyways, as they want trannies to adopt kids, farm weed and eat eachother's shit freely. When you're already okay with that, ideologies that go beyond a one dimensional facade are out of your reach.
Jose Nelson
Capitalism is the very natural exchange of goods and services. I want you hooknoses out of my natural economic system.
Meanwhile, Bolshevism is LITERALLY the base wants of Jews given a political platform. You're either a kike or completely mislead, and either way, you have to go.
Jeremiah Martin
Starting an ancap community: Keynesians economists, democrats, communists, pedophiles, and leftists are humiliatingly executed on live tv every weekend. Only whites and east asians.
Alright who wants in?
Carson Bennett
>Why? As long as we uphold a national Castle doctrine and abolish welfare, muhnorities shouldn't be a problem. You absolute fucking retard, you live on land your ancestors died to maintain. Why give literally everything away except the tiny bit you own, just to be consistent on autistic principles that aren't practical anyways?
Your grandchildren will likely grow up among niggers getting raped and beaten up in your utopia, and the very very best case scenario they live in a teeny tiny bit of a closed community whilst the rest of the land your blood was spilled for is given away to liberals adopting millions of niggers. You literal fucking cuckold, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Juan Reed
This is retarded
Liam Richardson
>the natural exchange of goods That occurred before capitalism existed and btw my flag is just irony. There isn't a flag for the anticapitalist Nietzschean views I have.
Joshua Collins
natsoc and lolbertarian both make logical sence. this is just sadistic as a ideology and people would flee your country as fast as possible
Brody Martin
>Pinochet's Chile. Universal healthcare and ~50% of market being controlled by government? No thank you fuck off.
Cooper Rogers
this
Gabriel Sanders
>Capitalism is the same thing as free enterprise in a fedual society W r o n g
Caleb Morales
Hitler's NatSoc Nationalism was a psuedo-Nationalism of the subjectivist Mystic variety Rand describes. Nationalistic Mysticism is where the mystic collectivism of racial groups, economic classes, or the leftist parts of organized religion is replaced with the "Nation". True Nationalism lies in the affirmation of the societies that free men wish to craft and the self interest (isolationist if they choose) objective reality demands they live by. Objectivist NatCap Meritocracy is the only world a free man can live. NatSoc is Soxialist first and psudeo-Nationalist second. Ayn Rand's criticism of it and Hitler in 'Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal' is irrefutable. As far as stereotypical kikes go, Hilter was far closer to a kike than Rand. Dumbfuck Hitler would have unwittingly paved the way for GloSoc if he had won so thank fuck he didn't. NatSoc is the maymay. The patently moronic notion that Nazi isn't leftist is Soros-tier counter narrative in work. Hitler was just a filthy statist socialist. >B-but NatSoc is different >muh Hitler indentified Socialism differently And he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. I don't give a shit how he thought his Soicalism was/should be; it matters what it actually IS. Hitler beleived in massive public works programs, complete gun control, government control of the economy, and cradle to the grave benefits. NatSoc wasn't diametrically OPPOSED to Communism; it competed with it.
>inb4 hur (((Ayn Rand)) was a bitch Reminder that all these smear attempts by commie, cyrpto-commie, and NatSoc shills of Ayn Rand are borne out of their gut wrenching realization that Objectivism is the greatest threat they have ever encountered which is why they cannot even bear to have it discussed as a philosophy. ALL of the adversaries she describes in her novels are EXACTLY what Sup Forums describes as the sterotypical kike. Kikes exist but Rand is quite literally the most based jew to ever live. I do not exaggerate.
Luis Rivera
>Economic and individual freedom >lobbying banned.
oh im laffin.
James Jenkins
This Google Mercantilism numbnuts.
Anthony Young
socialism causes us to self-destruct. is it ancap without the retarded open borders nonsense?
Parker Robinson
Read Ayn Rand's "Capitalism: The Unkown Ideal" and try to tell me the Big Bang wasn't the thing that created Capitalism. Every OTHER economic system was created by man. Cowardly men.
Landon Hernandez
>">>>Reddit" >kekistan flag
take your own advice dipshit.
Ryder Parker
What constitutes as "white"?
Carson Miller
>t.cuck
Wyatt Wilson
There's a thing called irony.
Eli Smith
Sadistic? It's about preservation and freedom. Inb4 muh poor darkies need their gibs.
Wyatt Wilson
So basically nationalism with some free trade policies of the people but heavily regulated when it comes to the outsiders. That's cool but I fail to see how this is capitalism. Capitalism is always shilling for open borders and free movement of the capital because it makes the accumulation easier and the rich always want to pay their taxes in (((Luxembourg))) or other fake country set up solely for this reason.
Xavier Brown
Basically
Eli Wright
Like the idea but it needs a better flag. Perhaps combine the yellow from the Ancap flag and replace the black part with red from the NatSoc flag? Having a pure yellow flag is kinda ugly, desu.
Aaron Robinson
>of the people should be for the people
Jaxson Jenkins
Stop posting this flag, seriously. Cringe
Bentley Rogers
I'm not going to read a book by a Jew, I've heard the arguments anyways.
The point is that an economic system shouldn't be central. It's not important. It's only one of very many factors of a traditional state. But as to what you were replying to, capitalism is a term invented by Jews, then other Jews adopted it to hoist money laundering as the highest virtue. It's a retarded name. Call it free enterprise, I don't care, it's just not important. Wealth is not important.
You're a coward for not standing up for something greater than yourself, for your highest ideal to be comfy & cummies. It's not an ideology, it's basically some rational attempt to replace ideology with something inferior.
Aaron Sanders
Economically open borders and immigration open borders are different concpets numbnuts.
Noah Gonzalez
what is wrong with national socialism?
Eli Ramirez
fuck ay sign me up where's the fucking flag option?
richard spencer is right >they need us more than we need them until he starts talking about economics and >muh star exploration and >muh student loan debt
its complications from big gub/socialism is what got USA into the problems they face today.
capitalism is awesome, and we owe a debt to our (somewhat boring) puritan English/Dutch ancestors to giving us the philosophy of maximum freedom & productivity. we don't need a bunch of moslems or mexicans to be great again. we need borders and neighbors who respect the same values.
Jose Brown
what is right with national socialism?
Landon Cooper
>aesthetics vs morality but the faggots in the sales department aren't wrong. we need a sexier brand.
Eli Thomas
A jews paradise
its sad you dont realise
Jaxson Baker
How about the most anti-kike Jew to ever walk the face of the earth then stupid? Open to read one of her books?
Debate me.
Dylan Russell
I'm retaking the flag, dipshit. >defending a BASED NIGGER LOVER IN A MAGA HAT You go back too.
Charles Brown
Jews always shill for communism.
Evan Rodriguez
Read
William Kelly
true another reason why Ayn Rand is awesome
Ayden Phillips
Is this the new shill tactic you kikes adopted?
Jaxon Reed
Some Jews shill for communism others for capitalism but no Jews shill for Fascism. Really makes me think.
Thomas Baker
what is right with national socialism: >Only ideology to have defeated a degenerate democratic society collapsing into chaos. >Ideology not based on wealth >Ideology that respects blood >Ideology with a versatile economic systems that can adapt to changes, unlike ancap or commies >Respects family values, provides everyone with work that can provide for their family but doesn't allow freeloaders >The leader is more than man >No Jewry >A revival of myths, the creation of customs that have the grand ability to develop into true traditions >initiation as part of government functions
What is wrong: >Bases it's power on the people instead of basing it on powers above humanity. >Uniforms and aesthetics way too cool, might attract people simply looking for that
Nolan Nguyen
I would like to see a Constitution and maybe then I'll sign on.
Jaxon Hernandez
>implying billionaire capitalist care about the concept of nations
Do you think the likes of Bill Gates and the Koch brothers (aka capitalists) care about borders?
Eli Gutierrez
>first post starts with objectivism as the final redpill ahahaha
no
Modernity's main problem is objectivity. Also, myths are great.
Nathaniel Butler
Because communism is controlled position to jew capitalism, think about who is best off in a capitalist and communist system.
socialism (some types) is the only system ive seen which seems to piss off the jew
Brayden Morris
This just sounds like natsoc.
Aiden Perez
*opposition
Sebastian Cruz
That's why we have border guards and helicopters.
Aaron Wood
Uh, no sweetie. Border guards and helicopters won't stop billionaires from shipping their labor costs overseas.
Adam Campbell
fascism is unpopular with everyone except skinhead morons, they are smart enough not to go on the losing side and ake the best with what they've gt to enslave us.
I hope your not white because the fact you cant see that easily make me wonder if your dog typed that post
Grayson James
>implying Knut Hamsun was a skinhead moron There is more to it than your strawman kikeshill
Kevin Kelly
What do you think about Pic related? Kinda like it, even though I'd prefer Christian National Anarcho Capitalism. Also it would only be christian towards other white people and Asatru towards the shitskins.
Kevin Cox
There are ways to make it cheaper to stay in the country. Trump campaigned around such ideas.
Henry Martinez
If this isnt the best oxymoron I've seen. So the state will be based on meritocracy, but no niggers of any kind allowed based on a collectivist racist principle. But hey, it's meritocratic as fuck y'all!
Noah Reed
>BLACKED FLAG
Christopher Miller
It's called the GOP you fucking tard
Jordan Rodriguez
>campaigned around such ideas
Ideas that FAILED. Carrier still shipped out those few hundred jobs that he allegedly saved through bribes before he was even president.
Trump is a cuck. Deal with it.
Christopher Parker
>Modernity's main problem is objectivity. >Also, myths are great.
Wat. What does this even mean? Explain further. You just vomited this out didn't you?
Samuel Johnson
I hope the gop becomes more like this.
James Rogers
Wrong. The GOP is infected with cuckservatives, and mixed economy advocates.
What we need is a Objectivist Laissez-faire party. I had this idea for a "Meritocratic Party". Declare the Republican Party a failure to the right and vow to push it to the "center" (which I view, essentially, as a giant Middle Ground Fallacy anyway) and claim the right in its stead. Invite all Libertarians, Constitution Party members, and Paleocons disgusted with the GOP and form this new Meritocratic Party. It would be necessary to get a bunch of big name supporters to simultaneously endorse it and even convert some big name celebs in a surprise event. Can't be a "minor" party like the old Libertarians, this has to be a threat as a major one on it's inception. Imagine if Trump made this statement while also extending an apologetic olive branch to PaleoConservatism while also expressing his disdain for neocons, RINOs, cuckservatives, and "crypto-Democrats" (as I like to say). Imagine.
In this new 3 party America the new Republicans in the ""center"" would be able to say the this society is a Constitutional Representative *Republic* and their party simply reflects this reality. So then the Democrats and Meritocrats to either side must say that their intent to do is is to modify the society with more Democracy and Meritocracy to the left/right respectively.
Nicholas Powell
no niggers or jews? Sign me up!
Ethan Hernandez
>natcap Stop being a faggot and making words up. Can't wait for you summerfags to go back to school
Aiden Harris
>Good as long as you allow private contractors to compete with the public sector on a for-profit basis. How do you compete with public sector when your customers are forced to pay for for their services whether they like it or not?
Jordan Walker
And furthermore - if the goal is to have the most efficient value system, that will shape people into good hard working men, then shouldn't Judaism be perfect for that?
Christianity is a clusterfuck of crazy protestants, brainless catholics who follow whatever the Pope says and Orthodox Christians who can't adapt for shit and still lurk in their medieval collectivist mindset.
Justin Gray
What's the point discussing this with someone this far gone? The Renaissance revived the decrepit end stages of Roman civilisation, it celebrated reason as a god and lowered tradition to vague folk myths resulting in nobody really understanding why anyone did anything, as it just was not rational. Rationalism is a disease that need its head smashed in.
But I'll talk about something a little more material, since that's clearly the world you're operating in. Because even there, objectivity is a cancer. I'll take your objectivity and relate it to the retarded 'nationalism for all peoples' argument, as that clearly is the objective take, right? Why would you be for nationalism for your own people, but not apply that equally across the board?
Well, you can't have nationalism for all people.
The entire idea of 'nationalism for ALL peoples' is retarded exactly because it results as a justification from someone who did not develop nationalism from a starting point of tradition. Hitler was right about complaining about eternal objectivity and Germans being unable to take their own side unconditionally.
First of all I don't think you can actually make yourself care about it beyond social signalling of a moral worth you took for granted coming in (which underlines the paradox of it, as the nihilistic objective approach to nationalism still relies on an assumption which would be deconstructed too if the nihilism was consistent.) And secondly it's impossible, as we share this earth and will naturally come into conflicts where to be nationalist will have to mean to step on other peoples' nationalism.
Nationalism should be developed from tradition, as trying to do it from the ground up is shoddy and impractical. Nihilism has pulled at threads we don't know how to put back together and it has given us little to no insight in to why it was there to begin with.
Joshua Williams
>Claims to be a capitalist >Wants to ban lobbying m8 you're retarded
Bentley Gomez
FUCK OFF JIDIF
Jonathan Brown
I guess you know an idea is good when shills start trying to discredit you by falsely calling you a jew.
Connor Gonzalez
>Objectivist Laissez-faire party That was the LP. To get more popular the politicians were forced to pander to idiots. It happens to every party under universal suffrage and your party would undergo the same process.
Ayden Miller
>>Islam and Judaism straight up banned obviously NO
Islam is redpilled af, you retard! Stop watching propaganda!
Leo Wilson
>Government's power will be limited to securing borders, helicoptering commies and shitskins, and ensuring voluntary contracts are upheld So, your whole government is cops? Basically a military force?
Henry Foster
Hes your boss you stupid fuck
Connor Perez
The default state of human living for hundreds of thousands of years has been without welfare, bud. You have to provide a reason as to why it should be done first.
So I ask you: why should the government be responsible for providing citizens something that nature has thoroughly demonstrated them to be perfectly capable of acquiring themselves? Why make them dependent on state handouts when they could have autonomy from what may eventually become a corrupt government?