Classic cars can sell for over a million dollars at the Barrett Jackson auction. Isn't that.. a bit unethical? >but user, it's their money and they can do what they want with it! Yes, I understand that. It is with their rights to do so. But it is also vulgar to do so. Vulgarity is (generally) not illegal. And it is not illegal for me to pass judgment on them and consider them not "good people" for spending a million dollars on a single automobile when that money could be spent elsewhere and do much more for the common good.
I feel like kind of extreme capitalism should be viewed with disgust by society rather than the free pass it currently gets. It's hedonistic. It is not in alignment with the values of Christianity, or any of the other dominant religious of the world. And yet many of the people who attend these events and participate in the would label themselves as believers.
It's just too much. What can be done about it? Nothing other than cultural evolution.
Caleb Howard
a basqiuat just went for $125,000,000 and you're worried about classic american cars selling for a million? peculiar focus there lad
Mason Anderson
Why is it vulgar to pay a lot of money for an old, well preserved car? An item that is rare and has historical, sentimental and esthetical value?
You you sound like a jelly faggot to me who tries too hard to rationalize his jealousy - a road that leads to becoming a full blown communist
Samuel Bell
It's a familiar example, my friend. There's even a television show about it.
Jordan Morales
>do you ever get disgusted by supply and demand
Tyler Diaz
There's nothing vulgar about buying a fucking car unless the car is decorated with degenerate shit.
Why does the fact that other people have money bother you? Why are you envious freaks loved by God?
Jaxson Flores
>Why is it vulgar to pay a lot of money for an old, well preserved car? An item that is rare and has historical, sentimental and esthetical value? Because at the end of the day it is only a car. The preservation of historic artifacts is noble, but this is not a positive example. These cars sell for so much simply because people are willing to pay this much for them. I find this unethical. I find it to be a weakness in the moral fiber of the nation. If there was a lowered demand because money was being spent on better things, then the cars would still be preserved while more good was done. And if the cars are lost in exchange for a better future I am willing to take that loss. Again, it is only a car. Many of them are already preserved, they are well documented. There is too much focus here to the point of vulgarity.
Henry Jackson
"Vulgar"? Those cars were hand-crafted. A lot of men ten times the value of your average man today spent many, many hours crafting them. They are objects that symbolize good quality work and enjoyment of life, far more than something like a modern art painting.
In addition, the notion of "spending money on X instead of Y" is also completely retarded. When they spend money on a car instead of X, the money goes to the car seller who has equal capacity to spend it on X. The money is not "lost".
Aiden Gomez
Read my OP again, think for 60 seconds, and reply again in a more intelligent manner that actually addresses the topic.
Jonathan Smith
>These cars sell for so much simply because people are willing to pay this much for them.
Very insightful. They sell for a sum "simply because" someone is willing to pay that sum.
Carson Cox
I have issues with spending excessive amounts on any kind of art, whether it is a painting or an attractive car design. > A lot of men ten times the value of your average man today spent many, many hours crafting them. They are objects that symbolize good quality work and enjoyment of life Symbolize. Your word. Implying they do not actually contribute anything other than spiritual fulfillment. This is fine in moderation, but spending millions of dollars on a single car when that money could be put towards medical research that will cause far more practical, common good is vulgar. It's offensive. It's childish.
In addition to all this, Americans in general place too much value on automobile "culture".
Hudson Rivera
>the common good Fuck off, its not up for you to decide how people should spend their money. This thread is stupid and likely some leftist faggot trying to turn us into commie idiots like him.
Lucas Campbell
You "argument" is a feel.
>I feel like >it is also vulgar >It's just too much
The fact that people can have more is not a bad thing. God gave us rational minds with which to apply to the world He created. You feeling like people have too much to do with is not substantive. It's your feel. A worthless feel that nobody cares about, and that's based in either envy or a misconception of God's Will.
Josiah Bell
There are objects which are intrinsically valuable because of their measurably higher qualities than their competition. Classic cars are inferior in most aspects compared to modern vehicles other than the aesthetics. If there were a practically measurable advantage in these cars to justify their price it would not be vulgar.
Alexander Gutierrez
You are an imbecile. Read more books.
William Barnes
>its not up for you to decide how people should spend their money It's a democracy isn't it?
Carson Watson
Brilliant retort dipshit~
Daniel James
You are an imbecile. Read more books. And kys you stupid commie faggot. Your bullshit tactics are so obvious.
Nathaniel Davis
No, arguments can be made for classic cars. While they lack the same safety, comfortability, fuel efficiency and performance among other things, they are also usually mechanically simpler which means cheaper repairs, they lack electronics which is prone to breaking, they can't be remotely deactivated by the CIA.
As for "intrinsic value", old cars still take you and your goods from point A to point B, and were more than good enough for people in the past.
t. Owner of a '81 car
Noah Sanchez
bump
Jack Sanders
You have made not substantial contributions to the discussion. Only repeated my own OP as it were some manner of refutation. Yes, I feel. I literally wrote that in the OP. That is the point. It is not the law, it is something that goes beyond the law and I am asking >Do you ever get disgusted by the vulgarity of capitalism gone too far? A question you have not answered even though it is the subject of the thread.
>The fact that people can have more is not a bad thing. It is sinful to spend exorbitant amounts of money on what amount to toys. >God gave us rational minds with which to apply to the world He created. Yes, and I am saying we should use them more often and make choices more in line with what we supposedly believe. >You feeling like people have too much to do with is not substantive. >It's your feel. A worthless feel that nobody cares about, By replying to this thread you substantiate it. You care enough to reply. >and that's based in either envy or a misconception of God's Will.
I say I am ethically opposed to spending this much money on cars and your retort is "y-you're just jealous!" You truly are an imbecile.
Jeremiah Morris
There are some aspects of older vehicles that are preferable, but a million dollars of difference? And there are millions of older vehicles with those properties that can be bought for only a few hundred dollars. There is nothing about these vehicles to justify their price tag other than their scarcity and the desire of the buyers to have them.
Jordan Powell
Try again. Put some effort into it. I'll pitch to you one more time. "It's a democracy isn't it?"
David Diaz
>It is sinful to spend exorbitant amounts of money on what amount to toys Where is that in Scripture?
Nobody gives a shit about your feelings - I'm glad you realize you're not making a substantive argument though. Being a self-aware dipshit is better than being a dipshit without self-awareness.
Jeremiah Young
Democracy is unethical.
Landon Russell
Why do you think so?
Nolan Gonzalez
I agree to an extent. Honestly, true communism would be best, but it is impossible to achieve due to mans fallen nature and sin.
Kevin Martin
Special ethics are different than general ethics retard. One is relative and arbitrary and the other is only important because of consequences.
Hunter Roberts
Using violence to force people to comply with mandates they don't agree to is un-Christian. Democracy is the attempted infliction of the will of some on the will of others via violence.
Jaxon Walker
Those prices only impress plebs who envy the collectors. Those collectors preserve pieces of automotive history Billy Sue would park in a field behind his trailer and leave to rot.
Not in alignment with superstition? Piss off. I don't bend the knee to imaginary friends designed for the sole purpose of exalting man over men far more than mere money can ever do.
Luis Baker
The only way to get away from consumerism on any level at this point is to bomb ourselves back to an anarcho-primitivist stone age
Grayson Martin
"He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again." Proverbs 19:17
I think this one is the most succinct and relevant to this thread.
Matthew Sanchez
Democracy is rule by the majority. The majority have no incentive to vote based on ethics rather than self interest. Most don't even have a moral compass to speak of.
Matthew Thomas
What does currency have to do with being compassionate to people who aren't as well off? Why does someone buying something equate to sinning against the poor? It doesn't. That is a philosophically untenable position.
Michael Jackson
>my friend Stfu nigga you sound like a fag
Gavin Nelson
I tend to agree with this. It's not a sophisticated enough system. Representative democracies are a bit better, but as any of us can see they have their issues as well.
Colton Barnes
>What does currency have to do with being compassionate to people who aren't as well off?
>What does money have to do with helping the poor?
Asher Lewis
The Samaritan didn't give a penny to the man he found robbed on the road. You realize that?
Asher Cooper
How is this any different than the buying and selling of any commodity? Please tell me this is bait.
Carson Ward
I agree, the private car collections of rich jewish parasites should be seized and put on a museum for the people to enjoy.
Oliver Lee
Nah OP is just a commie boy trying to demonstrate the theory of Marx and Ricardo's "labor power" n shieeet
Brayden Scott
It's different because the price is far out of proportion to the reasonable value based on what is generally regarded as good sense. >but user, you are merely arguing from an arbitrary set of values! Correct. A set of values I choose to believe in and defend. And which I believe increase the common good when followed properly.
Ryder Kelly
No. I love my cheap third world labour and brown, rootless consumer base replacement.
Wyatt Russell
I actually agree. Modesty and charity on a personal and spiritual level should be valued, art should be religious in purpose. However, the govt should of course not be involved
Dylan Davis
I am not in favor of communism because I believe capitalism is part of human nature. But I believe it should be controlled. Spending this much money on something that is near-worthless when detached from vanity is a harmful human impulse that we should attempt to limit, just as we try to limit other impulses which have a negative impact on society such as wanton sex or wasteful gluttony.
Austin Fisher
No. We can correct the course. It's not that bad yet. But there is no master stroke. It will be a complicated, long affair. The biggest issue right now is simply admitting there is an issue in the first place. It's overwhelming, and as you say at first glance the instinct is to say "burn it all, start over". But we can't do that.
Dominic Kelly
I'd be more offended if it was some shitty riced up honda civic.
The car in your example is literally a work of art.
Joshua Johnson
>add up total value of classic cars purchased at auction yearly >add up total amount of extra money (over a cheaper version) spent yearly on iphones, apple products, starbucks, whole foods groceries, "artisanal" anything, etc. etc.
Which one do you think is more, and therefore more unethical?
The only people that would bitch about dudes spending their money on cars are people that see said dudes as non-progressives (and they probably mostly are) while they sip their 18 dollar bottle of bone broth they got at new seasons while they order a 92 dollar black lives matter shirt on their 700 dollar iphone.
Jason Watson
>Semantics
Andrew Murphy
Liberals drink DA BONE BROTH?
Parker Bell
Get a life you filthy wannabe nazi.
All that millions spent STILL goes into the economy.
Evan Sanders
>no expensive things allowed Boring communist faggot.
Sebastian Russell
>It's not that bad yet. Nah it's perfectly fine. Just two generations of fuckhead, hardcore, broke as fuck consumers who only worry about instant gratification and have had all long term goals like >Having a family >Buying a house >Starting a business bred out of them.
Caleb Peterson
Shut up you poor fag.
Easton Jones
>And if the cars are lost in exchange for a better future I am willing to take that loss. Maybe you are willing to take that loss but I'm not. Looks like you're just going to have to get over it.
Charles Sanchez
Back to with this jealous meme shit.
Bentley Bell
By far the latter, and I feel the same way about it.
>The only people that would bitch about dudes spending their money on cars are people that see said dudes as non-progressives (and they probably mostly are) while they sip their 18 dollar bottle of bone broth they got at new seasons while they order a 92 dollar black lives matter shirt on their 700 dollar iphone. Stereotyping makes you look foolish.
Jaxson Scott
>into the economy.
Carson Garcia
If men outnumbered women, couldn't they just vote away rape laws? It's a democracy isn't it?
Gabriel Thomas
What you say is correct but it's futile to say because we are human and even stuff like gluttony can be in benefit to another. The
Kayden Clark
>Classic cars can sell for over a million dollars at the Barrett Jackson auction. Isn't that.. a bit unethical? there's nothing inherently unethical about it.
people put their lives into designing these cars and they sell for millions so no surprise there.
David Price
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Jose Stewart
expain to me which other mechanism we should use to distribute extremely rare goods? Lottery?
Aiden Mitchell
>the point
You missed it entirely
Gavin Morgan
You and I are here, user. And there are others like us.
My own gut feeling: in the next 50 years civilians in the 1st world will be so disenchanted with technology there will be a spiritual awakening, rather than the popular conception of religions going extinct. I look forward to seeing what new denominations and customs spring up.
Ethan Sullivan
>basqiuat I didn't know what that was until a google him. Graffiti has become art
Cooper Davis
They could, but they choose not to because they subscribe to a system of beliefs which sees that as unethical. Perhaps they think about their friends, wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers? About people other than themselves.
We are Men. Not animals.
Dylan Hernandez
OP You're not alone. I am a simple working man who has lost the respect he once held for the majority of his friends due to the excesses of hedonism and materialism. I would pass the same judgement on all my countrymen of I was the sort of twat who pretended to know what occurs in the hearts and minds of millions of people I have not met.
Cameron Jackson
He blew you the fuck out of the water. You're either a woman or a faggot for feeling instead of thinking. Objective facts> feelings everyday.
Ryder Smith
whole lot of angry kids itt who probably take the bus
Luis Martinez
Your point being that iphone sales do more harm to the common good than classic cars? I agree with that. But they are merely two examples of the same issue, and as you can see I have gotten more (you)s with the more easily understood car example.
William Butler
>explain to me which other mechanism we should use to distribute extremely rare goods?
The current mechanism is fine, it is the attitudes of those participating which need to change. It is not an issue of law. It's an issue of society and our reaction to behavior which ought to be seen as unfavorable, but is currently not. What do you do about it? Well, public shaming is pretty direct, but also effective. When you see small examples of it call that person out on it.
Xavier Lopez
What pathetically transparent samefagging. But I suppose I should expect nothing less from a tripfag.
I apologize to everyone else in the thread for not doing the right thing and ignoring him from the start.
James Brooks
Ethically, I feel you should mind your own fucking business and not worry about what other people do with their own property.
Andrew Scott
I agree with you op but you chose a bad example. Million dollar ice cream with gold flakes on it would of made your point, literally throwing away your money.
David Wood
That's too low-hanging of fruit. I chose the car because of the emotional attachment people have to them.
Carson Ross
Nigga, let me clue you in on "value". Years ago when I was a young freshman in college one of my economics professors said something as part of a larger lecture that's always stuck with me; "you're net worth represents your value to society." I don't care if Mommy and Daddy love you, if you help old bags cross the street, if you don't have and spend money you are worthless to society as a whole. No one gives a fuck about your feelings about what folks want to buy and how much they're willing to spend. They're pumping the blood that feeds the fucking world. Like it or not, that's the way it is. Go write a fantasy novel about how in the future we exchange daisies for happiness and we're all sustained by the mutual love we all share. You worthless piece of shit.
Noah Hall
Bad advice. Will you "mind your business" when it comes time for you to feed yourself or your family and find all the property has been bought up before you got there?
Dylan Butler
>extreme capitalism
What did (((they))) mean by this?
Angel Nguyen
>It is not in alignment with the values of Christianit
damn right. your religion get btfo. go dream about heaven.
you lose. go whine more christcuck
Daniel Evans
>"you're net worth represents your value to society." Laughably vulgar statement. Doubly so that you quote it towards me as if it were some kind of proverb when I have taken a completely opposite stance in the thread from the beginning. My entire argument here is that the belief system you are saying is dominant (and it may eventually become so) is abhorrent and needs to be avoided for the sake of our good.
>"only rich people matter" Shaking my damned head here.
Easton Turner
The point is that it's relative and not absolute. Absolute in this sense doesn't work, cause you could drill down over and where does it end?
Do you need a 50k care when you could get a 20k car that does the same? A 10k car? A 2k car? Do you need 2000 calories a day when you could get by on 1800? WHY AREN'T YOU DONATING YOUR OTHER 200 CALORIES TO CHARITY user?!
Jayden Fisher
>capitolism sucks wow what a compelling argument
Asher Fisher
Also the example I posted is infinitely more relevant to your point because a classic car is an investment, that can gain value over time. Iphones and artisan waters are throwaway items that are quite literally a waste of money beyond group membership and social status.
Grayson Lee
There is a line that must be drawn somewhere. Where? They've been discussing it since antiquity. It's where you choose to put it. And I choose to put million dollar vanity cars firmly past it.
This "it's all arbitrary" line of discussion is so elementary. Come on, we are better than this. We can think.
Chase Long
>because a classic car is an investment, that can gain value over time If the investment goes towards something other than the pursuit of more cars and other cartoonishly price inflated items. Does it?
Carter Torres
How is it that you haven't figured out that all religions are just huge networking circles? It's the spiritual equivalent of people who passively follow a sports team so they can make idle conversation.
Jayden Martin
i think if i had a 1954 gullwing i would literally live in it somehow.
Jace Collins
Marxists belong in a gas chamber
Camden Taylor
>capitalism should be viewed with disgust by society said every loser fag begging for $15hr with no skills.
Xavier Peterson
Then your argument is shit and your line is shit, because, as I said, there is a ridiculously larger amount of money spent every year on 30 dollar eyeliner brushes at ulta than there is on old corvettes. Every single one of those eyeliner brushes will end up in a landfill. It is much less likely than a million dollar car will. The car is at the very least a piece of history.
Oliver Sullivan
No its technically a republic you stupid nigger.
Tyler Foster
>buy car >put in garage/car museum >does the car lose value?
Then it's an investment. It is in a sense like buying a painting. Or buying gold. What the investment ultimately "goes towards" is irrelevant. If it is sold at a later date it simply goes back into the owner's net worth.
Wyatt Morales
Fuck off dirty commie
James Garcia
>I don't like thing >therefore thing is bad
That's not how it works, you fucking retard.
Jayden Hernandez
>It's a democracy isn't it? "and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Michael Murphy
This. Ignore this libtard child. It's been established that his argument is teen angst muh feels about large sums of money, while ignoring the reality of how economics works. also, asking for logical responses for an illogical(emotional) question.
Jonathan Hernandez
it is in a way lost if there is market sinkhole like the OP’s example.. money keeps pouring into it. There is no guarantee that it also gets out and is then used for other stuff. The mere existence of that extravagant "sink hole" should be unwelcome. Best case scenario, it postpones the investment in better stuff.
Owen Foster
OP is a commie faggot
Ethan Wilson
Nice subtle attempt to build resentment against the wealthy and successful, leftypol. But fuck off. Attacking the wealthy and successful doesn't help the poor losers.