Finish paying off my house

>finish paying off my house
>still have to pay "property tax" (aka tax just because the house is there, existing)

wtf? no wonder people hate the government

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Property taxes are some of the only taxes that almost universally make sense. It's very hard for many people to own property in a traditional sense because how can it be protected at all times or in all instances? When you leave your house on vacation it still needs to be protected. The government fulfills the role of protecting these property rights and using them to fund courts, police, etc. to enforce property rights which our society and economy are built on.

>When you leave your house on vacation it still needs to be protected. The government fulfills the role
If that were true home security companies would go bankrupt.

Texas doesn't have property tax.

This, property tax is good and one of the few that make sense.

It turns property into a liability. Without it, you could just buy property and sit on it while it increased in value. You wouldn't have much incentive to sell land if it wasn't costing you anything, therefore inflating the market and causing it all to be owned by (((Real Estate Companies))). Nobody would own a house, the US would basically be serfs and lords.

fucking lahey

Yes it does, it does not have income tax

Protection comes in many forms and he's right. It's protected through insurance if you pay your taxes

Taxation is theft. If I'm living in a county with basically 0 people, I shouldn't have to pay property tax if I'm 100% self sufficient.

that's the tax you pay for being defended by the country's guns.

> Libertarian memes
Okay well you live in a country with other people that needs to provide public services. Now fuck off unless you can provide a meaningful and worthwhile thought experiment or example that can actually be taken seriously instead of retarded ancap memes.

That's the point. You'd never live in such a country because that example is impossible and meaningless.

I'd rather pay $1800 a year instead of $1000 a month.

yo dawg


basically what this guy said, get your shit together.

Also, if you live in a small county or are self-sufficient, then get your county together and vote against property taxes.


You can do that. Or just whine about it.

Property tax makes less sense than income tax.

He said county faggots not country

Property Tax incentivizes people to do 1 of 2 things. Continue being a productive member of society in order to pay the property tax, or develop the property into something that has an economic use. It IS IMMORAL to sit on useful land and let it's potential be squandered on some lazy asshole. Just ask Zimbabwe.

Property taxes are paid to the local municipality. Defense of the nation is a federal responsibility.

>he still doesnt support Georgism

explain yourself

it's literally the same thing

>Taxation is theft
So is benefiting from the presence of public services without contributing to their funding.

Libertarians are such ungrateful selfish faggots.

Property taxes are the only reason private property is still allowed in the United Socialist States of America. If private property were abolished you wouldn't work nearly as hard without being forced to. Property taxes motivate you to produce more so you can pretend like you own something, and the surplus value you produce is taxed and redistributed to the poors and/or cronies pockets. Same thing with the estate tax; instead of taking your entire estate when you die, they just tax half of it so you work harder so you can feel good about leaving something for your children.

As soon as you stop producing and stop paying your taxes, the commissar comes and takes everything. Politics is such a scam, anyone can read the Communist Manifesto and learn that the USA has implemented ALL of Marx's measures by which to transform a capitalist society into a communist society. Except for a few additions like property tax and estate tax instead of abolition and confiscation, because taxes increase production more. The whole idea is to increase the productive forces "as rapidly as possible", because Communism doesn't come until a society has produced a hyper surplus and the concept of money doesn't even make sense at that point.

The cold war was a scam designed to create a spirit of competition so that both teams would work harder to produce more shit. All this talk about budget crises and "Oh how are we gonna pay for Social Security and Medicare there's not enough money" is bullshit, because as Marx said:

>means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

They are DESIGNED to fuck up the economy to force the state to take over more of it from bourgeois capitalists.

Makes perfect sense... And thank you

>Property Tax incentivizes people to do 1 of 2 things. Continue being a productive member of society in order to pay the property tax

So, the founding people of the US didn't become productive until a property tax was levied.

Good to know.

Most people don't benefit from ALL of the public services they help fund through taxes though. It's not outrages to give people options to fund what they want without being forced.

You don't actually own land, you just rent it from the govt. Saying that you 'own' the property is just clever legalize that does a swell job at confusing the masses, but in truth you're just renting it.

>Taxation is theft
Taxation is a necessary evil. I don't like 40% of my check being taken because I'm in a really high bracket, but without it I wouldn't have the roads needed to get to work to make the other 60%. I wouldn't have police to go catch tyrone when he tried to steal my motorcycle. I wouldn't have gotten the education needed to get into college. I'd much prefer a flat tax system, but whatever.

This. If people could just buy up all the land they want and then sit on it, (((they))) would be charging you a hell of a lot more to use their land than the government takes in property taxes.

Marx's measures have been in place in America for 100 years now. Here they are

1. Abolition of private property (we have property tax instead)
2. heavy progressive income tax
3. Abolition of rights of inheritance (estate tax instead)
4. Civil forfeiture
5. Central bank
6. Public Utility Companies
7. Public Infrastructure development programs
8. Unemployment Insurance
9. Agriculture development programs
10. Public Education programs

These are literally communist policies and Americans are so used to them by now they think they are traditional capitalist programs, "common sense" good ideas.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

Americans have lived in a quasi-Communist state for a century without even realizing it, while even hating Communism as "what the enemy does". That's how stupid the average person is, the Communist Manifesto is available for anyone to read, but no one reads it. They just take the politicians' word for it that they are fighting communism.

is there anything else similar to property taxes? i can't really think of any other scenario where something gets taxed that isn't a "transaction" or movement of money/goods of sorts. where does my money even go. it's not like the roads ever get their potholes fixed anyway.

You got jewed son. Nothing is for free. Not even the ground you rightfully purchased. Gotta pay for the air you breathe there too.

Taxation may be helpful for establishing certain basic societal elements (which I believe it is), but it's still helpful to recognize it is a) theft, and b) therefore evil. It should be used sparingly.

The left, of course, thinks otherwise.

It's much less reasonable to have a tax on income, something hard to track that can be circumvented via loopholes in the law (if you're wealthy), rather than taxing something as difficult to dispute as land. When was the last time you heard of property tax being evaded?

Go back to fucking a goat Muhammad.

lol who "protects" them? is there magic protection fairies? fucking idiot property tax pays the bills for the entire city. like hydro for lights road repairs water/gas pipe line repairs construction of public buildings ect ect

No it doesn't, explain why.
Property tax makes sense because the government basically is the only entity that can enforce property/land claims effectively and as such it effectively has to own and rent land for enforcement to work well. Income taxes assume that your labor is partially owned by the government which makes assumes that you're a slave to some degree. Property/Land Value taxes are among the most progressive taxes there are, income taxes decrease net spending and thus economic growth, land value/property taxes don't, there are a lot of reasons property/land value taxes make the most sense, which is why people as widely diverse as Adam Smith and Nobel Laureates like Milton Friedman and Joseph Stiglitz have advocated for them.

This jewry must end.

It's funny that any of you think your tax dollars actually go where the government says they go...

this.

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> lol who "protects" them? is there magic protection fairies?
You're a fucking retard
> What are police
> What are courts

I'm not reading the thread to see if anyone mentioned this him, but did anyone mention to him that you don't actually own land in the US and are merely renting it from the government?

>When you leave your house on vacation it still needs to be protected.
>I have absolutely no clue what the fuck property taxes are for.

>all these faggots itt

Property tax is fucking horseshit, and equates to you not owning your own fucking home.

If you think you own your home, try not paying taxes on it for a year. The nigger loving government will seize it and sell it.

FUCK PROPERTY TAXES

you really think cops give a flying fuck if someone breaks into your shitty house? they fucking wont even show up you have a home alarm system installed. the alarm company shows up first

this, too.

roughly 3/4 goes to education. Meaning that you are paying for female teachers to turn kids into fucking worthless faggots.

go into the military
become 100% disabled
never pay property tax again

Yup. Taxes for public services make sense, however taxes going to Tyrone to sit around all day and smoke crack is fucking retarded

PFFTTHAHAHHAHAHA

>implying even half of it goes to actual useful things

>property tax being evaded
like turning your home into a place of worship?

Not to mention govt can just take it at any time anyways if you ""do something wrong"" like not pay taxes.

I have sincere doubt. My lefty friends are much more faithful and naive. It wears on my patience sometimes, like being surrounded by adults who still believe in the tooth fairy.

only homeowners should be allowed to vote as our forefathers intended. people with no skin in the game should not be able to inflect a tax upon others. for the same reason people on welfare should not be allowed to vote. unfortunately the american constitution was written by responsible men for responsible men, there are few responsible people left in america.

but but but muh free gibmedats!

savage. where theres a jew, theres a way.

If I buy property, I pay a large amount of tax. Why is anyone entitled to my money while I live on my own land, minding my business? There should be an option to opt out of all taxes if you are self sufficient. The only thing I would use is roads, which I contributed my share by paying a tax on the initial purchase of property. You guys are such boot licking cocksuckers.

I wish I could drag every moron who wants to hand out gibs like candy to the south side of chicago and make them hangout in section 8 housing for 24 hours. I can promise once they leave they'll never wanna give another dime to welfare recipients as long as they live.

No, no, your thinking of the ten gallon hat tax, which it does not and has not had since 1892

It's a lot harder to evade property taxes than income taxes. But true, anything can be gamed.

Yeah. If you lived in the middle of nowhere, I doubt you'd have to pay a municipal tax, dumbass.

It's every man's moral duty to evade tax as much as possible.

>If that were true home security companies would go bankrupt.

Who the fuck do you think calls the police for you when you're not home you fucking faggot.

Is your property seized if you can't/don't pay your property taxes?

If so, does it not destroy the concept of land ownership if you're really just renting it from the government?

even the bush people have to pay taxes on their land
why do you think they trap animals for furs to sell?
so they can pay their property taxes
if you watch any of these " innawoods " shows, their biggest problem is paying the land taxes. it comes up every now and then.

>lives in Nevada
>no property tax
>no income tax
>no capital gains tax
>no corporate tax
>$200 to start a business
>can buy weed
>can go to bars 24/7
>can fuck hookers
>can buy a grenade launcher or fuck a tank
>soon to be implementing a voucher system

Am I free?

this. I think he might be a poorfag

IN Houston the city increases the value of every property every year as a way for politicians to raise more taxes without changing the rate they charge which would require legislation and a vote.

fucking this. hypotheticals derived from biased worldviews ARE valid counter-arguments. Especially when there is no research to back up their premises.

But that doesn't make any fucking sense either, there is NOTHING preventing tycoons from buying up all of the property that people actually live on (cities) because it's all private anyway, the fact that the government charges you tax on it changes literally nothing.

Do you know what prevents land ownership monopoly? MARKETS. People SELL land because its value changes. All property tax has accomplished is driving up rents for average people and ensuring that nobody ever fucking owns anything.

This is what baffles me, how could you possibly make an excuse like this, "oh well ebil fatcats would just buy all the land," the GOVERNMENT is the most evil group of oligarchs on the fucking planet, the average BLM agent makes George Soros look like Trey fucking Gowdy, have you ever met these people? These are people who can repossess land while you're standing on it and have you arrested for tresspassing. The federal government owns like 70% of the country already and home ownership is at an all time low, how is the good 'ol government's property tax protecting you from that?

It isn't because it's a fucking scam and you support it because you've made the mistaken conflation that the government is more moral or even distinct from the scary capitalists you're afraid of.

>What is water

What is Lake Tahoe and the truckee river

Property taxes don't make "sense", just like any other tax doesn't make any sense. And this isn't because 'lol, taxation is theft', its because no system of taxation is tied to a specific outcome.

Let's look at another money making scam, state lotteries. These are presented when first brought to the ballot as being ways to pay for nice family friendly things like schools, roads, police pensions, whatever! Anything made of sugar, spice, and everything nice will be funded by state sponsered gambling that preys on the poor and foolish. This isn't some private casino or small raffle doing it, it's the State. Big brother says buying a ticket pays for teachers. But it doesn't. That money gets funneled into the state's accounting coffers, and from there only God knows where it ends up. If by chance it made it into the Education budget, it'll probably be used to pay for a superintendent's bloated salary, not teachers or school supplies or field trips.

And the same is true of all other forms of taxation. Your property tax dollars don't go to the police, or fire fighters, or guy who comes round to make sure your house is connected to electricity, gas, water, and sewer. No, it goes into the fucking giant money trough that is government budgeting.

The only form of taxation that makes 'sense' or is justifiable is where your money directly goes to things relevant to that kind of taxation. Property tax should go into local services - police, fire, ambulance. Gas taxes should go to roads or highway patrols. Business taxes should go to things that business uses - like let's say a truck company should be contributing more to the highways than just some random shopkeeper. And things like income taxes or sales taxes are utterly unjustifiable at all. The rich don't use government services more than the poor, in fact, they use less.

But you'll never get a logical tax system. Government is corrupt. End of story. They want your money, so they take it.

What is California