So... I'm having an identity crisis here. I'm an American and firmly believe in absolute freedom...

So... I'm having an identity crisis here. I'm an American and firmly believe in absolute freedom, I don't particularly identify with any political ideology, but if I had to put a label on myself I'd call myself libertarian.

But the way things are going, I'm starting to think democracy was a mistake. The vast majority of people are astoundingly stupid. Democracy and capitalism are such a good system that it leads to decadence and so much comfort that people's need for conflict, and no problems to combat, they create their own problems, and the system eats itself alive. See what we are going through now, it is exactly what the Greeks went through before their collapse.

Facism is a good idea on paper, but the problem is you need a Christ or Buddha like dictator, and such a thing does not exist.

What is a good and realistic political system to run a society?

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Nice quads brogle. Ancap is best system desu.

>So... I'm having an identity crisis here. I'm an American teenage boy who watches way too much porn, I don't particularly identify with anything other than seeing naked women, but if I had to put a label on myself I'd call myself something that has a totally different meaning than I think it does.

But the way things are going, I'm starting to think that what is laughably called democracy in America was a mistake. The vast majority of people aren't anti-social and spend all day on Sup Forums like me. Democracy and capitalism are such a good system that they cannot by definition coexist and never have. See what we are going through now, it is exactly like the Greeks even though I have never studied any Greek history whatsoever and am just talking out of my ass in between going to Sup Forums and jerking off.

Fascism sounds good to me because I am autistic and think murdering a bunch of people until the world gets together and wipes kills me, but the problem is you need somebody who screams a lot and will control my every waking thought, and such a thing does not exist.

What is a good and realistic way for me to pass time before I go jerk off or play video games?

FTFY

>Being this mad

>I'm an American and firmly believe in absolute freedom,
you mist want to give up that dream...

There is no good solution to the government problem. Right now what the USA needs is a purge of left wing elements, not theorizing.

why should we take you seriously when you take women seriously

Kek

for goodness sake you need to listen to some Hans Herman Hoppe lectures, or just plow right into what he's written

i don't think anyone could be more relevant to you, i'd elaborate further but i'm unfortunately at work and about to occupy myself. try watching this to start off

youtube.com/watch?v=k12teOokSqM

(Checked)
You're on the path to the French Revolution redpill.

>What is a good and realistic political system to run a society?

Ancap is the best system if you're bellow 16 years old, like this poster

Libertatianism is the best system if you're between 17 and 21, like you presumably

In reality liberal conservatism, in the European definition of the term, is the best political ideology, and more importantly the only realistic conservative one (one important parameter you mentioned yourself) that can actually be applied without issue. It's not perfect, but if you want to balance wellness and realism, it's where every western country should be standing.

That doesn't really exist in America. America is a little more liberal both socially and fiscally. Closer to libertarianism than conservatism. Which is why it's such a shithole to live in unless you're rich.

Take a look at most European countries of the western bloc, and you'll see that they are pretty close to liberal conservatism, or the center-right if you will. Some may be center-left, but center-left being the opposition to center-right is far better than far-left being opposition to far-right, like in America currently.

Center-right is the red-pill. It makes some compromises, but it's a stable political system that works for people's interests without preventing growth in the industry or making irresponsible social choices.

Problem with democracy is. All you need to do is get out of pussy and live till 18 and BAM you can vote.

You dont earn right to vote, you just live long enough to get it. And as usual people dont respect anything that is free.


Solution ?

People should EARN voting rights by certain conditions.

Let it be 5+ years military/fire dept/etc servcie, working for 5+ years in community hospital as doctor and so on. Oh women ? Simple raise 3 kids to 15+ and females get voting rights. Or just be college or higher teacher for 5+ years.

Obviosly exclude all goverment office workers from that. They get no voting rights.

This would cut out all welfare whores , failures and idiots from beeing able to vote. People would have to sacrifice working in corporations to get voting rights.

>bellow
Sorry sweetie I'm a big boy.

I meant mentally and emotionally

>someone actually took the time to write this

a real society follows a magic 8 ball. let the universe decide what is so and let it speak through the magic 8 ball.

you can't corrupt a magic 8 ball

FPBP

Most people are stupid because of Satanic brainwashing. People need to wake up or die, the future can be paradise if we stop being ignorant little bitches

Your main grip with democracy is "The vast majority of people are astoundingly stupid." and that as a result it leads to degeneracy and decay. This is true. But if that's your only gripe The way around this is to have a democracy where only non-stupid people are given political power. There is no need for dark enlightenment or fascism.

hale hortler

That was how it was meant to be, you used to have to be a free white person of reputable character to get citizenship, and you had to be a citizen to vote. Somewhere along the line it (((changed)))

This guy was awesome until he went through his cringe Christian-Fedora-GamerGate-TuxedoWearing phase.

Or stop importing Hispanics and sub Saharan blacks...

Yea... absolute freedom never works, and always end up with people getting shot, or society producing a group of people that screw everything up, like those antifa losers, or transexuals, or aids fags.
I once talked to this retard that thought that Freedom should be a "Law of the Land"... lol, perfect example of a fucking oxymoron. He was saying that all drugs should be legal and nonsense like that. What an idiot. He was trying to tell me that crack heads would just sit around smoking their crack and mind their own business... absolute fucking ignorance. Freedom is a commie scam, that's what I think.

cart before the horse?

I know. Monetary census in US. I did my homework on this.

While I dont thing wealth in current times would be good factor. But serving your country (in many ways) should be.

This way people that are able to sacrifice their personal profit would decide on country.

... b-b-but freedom.
See, with freedom, everything gets fucked up. Your country will always open up like a dusty old whore, ready for more disease and other shit like that.

HALE HORTLER

kys
sage this shit

Most efficient system while still ensuring human rights is a capitalist Constitutional Monarchy. Promotes economic competition, ensures inalienable human rights above the monarch, the monarch is otherwise free to do as they need to run the country. Central head with no one blocking the road, only appointed secretaries still answerable to the monarch. Should the system ever corrupt or become tyrannical, the people are able to rally and take up arms to overthrow. A lot more to running a country, but that's the basic layout.

>So... I'm having an identity crisis here. I'm an American and firmly believe in absolute freedom, I don't particularly identify with any political ideology, but if I had to put a label on myself I'd call myself libertarian.

Only the declaration of independence and bill of rights matter, and they only matter for Americans. Never forget your heritage was forged for you through the blood and sweat of your countrymen. Foreigners are not worthy to share the same benefits you do until they prove they are equally willing to bleed and sweat for this country.

>But the way things are going, I'm starting to think democracy was a mistake.

Which is why we are a republic.


Capitalism, republican democracy, these are the values of our country. These are the values of freedom.

Do not accept any form of political ideology that has come from germany or any inferior country.
Socialism
Communism
National Socialism
Corporatism

all are cancer created by lesser people to control their equals.

Don't let the taint of gobalism effect you. It is simply the machinations of those whom we ejected from our lands in the war of independence.

what is the french revolution redpill ?

Let them eat cake

Monarchies are ideal. You have a dumb ruler at worst, but that's better than a smart charismatic psychopath who will use his power for his own gain while he can. (Democracies)

>those digits
Nice
All things aside, sounds like you're just one step away from NatSoc. I'm not telling you what ideology to subscribe to, but you are exactly where I was up until a year ago when I realized lolbertarianism and the NAP were just too ridiculous to believe in anymore (after 10 years of watching it flounder around only to never gain traction because there is no true structure to it and its inviability in general, hence why you don't see libertarian societies). Maybe give it a good look, and ignore both the super anti-NatSoc shills (there are going to be some people who genuinely disagree with it for personal ideological reasons, which is to be expected because people see shit differently, but those who screech against it the loudest are the degenerates and shills, or at best just willfully ignorant) and Stormfags (because it's not all about "muh white nationalism", that's only a small part of it the retards latch onto). Just a suggestion user. Good luck either way

Also, checked those quads.

This.

Someone is astoundingly assblasted. Take a nap you pussy.

This. I've experienced it recently myself. Be ready to have your brain twisted and to question everything you have always taken for granted and assured

Wrong, in your case. The Queen is garbage and doesn't give a fuck about her people. Sold out to the highest bidder. She's not even a real englishwoman.

:(

Absolutely this
We need an Anglo Supremacist in charge

... sorry, old chap. :^)

Monarchy works good as long as:
- royal family keeps gene purity (no cross breeding, no incest (fucking hasburgs)
- cares deeply about his country
- kids are raised to be next ruller from early on

good monarch will treat country like something he owns, and we care about OUR stuff

Democracy != capitalism. Democracy is as anti-freedom as monarchy.

We need to reinvigorate the Anglosphere, how likely is it that Justin will bugger off?

He's imported record numbers of niggers and muslims and slapped meaty gibs in their filthy hands. People are completely brainwashed by the CBC and will believe anything they say. It's looking pretty grim. I have completely given up on society and plan to leave to somewhere remote. I live in Ottawa at the moment, and it's shit. I can only imagine what Toronto is like.

Don't worry, we can return to a small government system once we've PHYSICALLY REMOVED all the leftists.

Economically fascism, politically... Tbqh democracy isn't bad, you just have to find a way to prevent everybody from voting. Something like a democracy where only >110 IQ men (women have too many fee fees) can vote or something, with elected king/president/whatever to steer the country.

Democracy doesn't work because the majority of people have a large part to play in and the majority of people are stupid.

National Socialism is the answer

>believe in absolute freedom
>democracy was a mistake

do I have the ideology for you my friend...

>but if I had to put a label on myself I'd call myself libertarian
>I'm starting to think democracy was a mistake. The vast majority of people are astoundingly stupid.

Your journey has only just begun

>democracy was a mistake
quads of truth, monarchy is the way to go
fuck america

You see I can't just do something like that, the furthest away I can be from someone else is literally 15 miles in the UK

No human-created system works.
SURPRISE!!!

Democracy is the absolute, final, and ultimate red pill.

True democracy (not representative democracy, not first past the post, not excluding women from voting or any sort of corruption) is the only system that can save us.

Our problems stem from a lack of a faithful implementation of democracy. Greedy leaders, corruption, mass immigration, and societal decay stem from representative democracy, and they stem even more so from degenerate implementations of representative democracy like that which is seen in the United States.

This is the true redpill desu. Human civilization is basically an endless game of musical chairs. A Utopian society can never exist because humans are just too fickle. Eventually enough people will get tired of your "Utopia" and try to push for something greater.

I know... it must suck. I have a sister that actually moved there. I tried telling her about the muslim issue, but she's too stupid and ignorant about the entire situation. Lost cause.

>People suggesting monarchy

Okay, I respect your input, but please give me an example. The first to that come to mind are Great Britain and Saudi Arabia, and both of them are third world shitbuckets where the rulers have no interest in the common man, and heavily restrict personal liberty, under threat of imprisonment or even execution for such simple things as freedom of speech.

...

The first *two* that come to mind

Fucking phone making me look illiterate

The House of Stuart was the last monarchy in Britain. The English Civil War / English Revolution fought against the Stuarts. Read the execution speech of Richard I for a pure expression of far-right royalism.

h/t Moldbug

Read about polish commonwealth.

Acctualy got fucked up by nobless democracy.

>Richard I
sorry, Charles I not Richard

Oliver Cromwell did nothing wrong
England would have become even more powerful than in our timeline if England had a Puritan Anglo supremacist dynasty

All systems lead to decadence

Capitalism and free market means the individual takes responsibility and if they mess up they get fucked. That ensures that stupid people either wake up or die out.

Govt control of every aspect of people's lives inevitably leads to dumbing down of the population ie communism. That's wherr everyone is headed. The powers that be prefer that system because stupid people are much easier to control than smart, capable people.

>What is a good and realistic political system to run a society?
barking up the wrong tree asking Sup Forums this question

Charles I at his execution: "For the people. And truly I desire their Liberty and Freedom as much as any Body whomsoever. But I must tell you, That their Liberty and Freedom, consists in having of Government; those Laws, by which their Life and their Gods may be most their own. It is not for having share in government (Sir) that is nothing pertaining to them. A subject and a soveraign are clean different things, and therefore until they do that, I mean, that you do put the people in that liberty as I say, certainly they will never enjoy themselves."

Read your Moldbug. We are living in your Puritan Anglo supremacist dynasty. We are ruled by Roundheads in a permanent revolution for Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.

* Jewish Roundheads, or Roundheaded Jews

The USA was founded as a democratic republic. Not as a democracy.

Democracy worked well untill women got emancipated.

The government was small people lived by family values.

It's not just democracy/facism you have to consider, but whether you want economic capitalism or socialism.

Capitalism is the best system right now, because it is the system that will allow us to build the bridge to the post-scarcity utopia. But you eliminate scarcity first, because otherwise socialism suggests that there is x amount of pie, and the state will divvy it up. The goal of capitalism is to say we have x amount of pie, let's make more, no, let's make so much fucking pie that everyone can stuff their face and die from eating so much pie. Capitalism is wealth additive, but once there's unlimited pie (post singularity), it doesn't matter who / how it's distributed, because it's unlimited.

People think ideology is this thing that works 'on it's own', when ideology is tied completely and totally into economics, and economics, well that's tied into freedom. Only when I have freedom of thought can I choose to think that trowling a field with a hoe is fucking stupid and then go and 'think' up a fucking tractor. Remember that statistically, ~100 years ago, if you were a man in society, you had a 9 in 10 chance of being a farmer. 9 in 10. Sustenance farming allows for cities, which allows for universities, ethics, scholars, etc.

But it's freedom that's key. The world we live in today is materially the same as it was 100 years ago, only there's 7x the people, living 3x as long, with electricity, light, heat, transportation, we didn't invent more resources, we just learnt how to discover what we had / use it more efficiently, and all that comes from freedom of thought (When coal prices got jacked up in the early 1900's, someone went fuck paying that much for heat, invented the oil lamp, and fucked coal miners in the ass). Only when I have the freedom to say 'fuck doing it this way', can I create a better way, and capitalism encourages people to find these 'better ways', by giving you a fuck tonne of money when you find one.

And the people*

Come and reforge the political structures of old with a for profit motivation

>libertarian and liberal on the same tier as conservative
>nazi along with sjw and antifa
Can you be more retarded than that?

As long as you remove the parasites, the world jewry, then society would likely police itself to some extent and a lot of political systems will slowly start to make more sense. I honestly don't know what's best but I'd take Hitler over democracy in a heartbeat, and democracy is a big failure.

>Oliver Cromwell did nothing wrong
Wrong

If you're some dirty Rousseau lovin jacobin fuck off to lefty pol, but if by that you mean a glorious Napoleon setting up a monarchy then you muh nigga.

Vive le Roi!

Fascism is pretty sound, it could have transformed Europe had we not had a war.

Since you're a libertarian, perhaps I could tempt you with a representation of the economic side of fascism.
youtube.com/watch?v=MYXhOT1ZMEg

Also you're just a reactionary like Molyneux.

Fuck voting, you want to restore aristocrats, have a proper nobility. Ownership means quality, commons means a shithole. Privately owned government, not some shitty public government. Then and only then can disgenics be properly addressed as protecting the genetic quality of one's servants becomes an integral part of a lord's self interest. Voting always flows towards a river of meat, more bodies to throw at a booth, quantity over quality, degradation becomes inevitable.

Libertarian constitutional monarchy

The ancient Greek thinkers saw issues with democracy that are still prevalent to this day.

One of them, Socrates, even died due to these issues.

Democracy is inherently flawed, it can be improved, but it will always be flawed because Humans are flawed.

The sophistry that infected the old Athinian system wasn't stupid. Just like how the top leftist academics aren't stupid, rather extremely foolish. The source of rot runs deeper, dialectics is a shit epistemology. No debate, ownership and skin in the game, with competition god will sort them out. Anything less leads to insulation from consequences, no information feedback loop, and thus degeneracy decay and disgenics.

>What is a good and realistic political system to run a society?
Skynet or Matrix or anything machine ran,

what the fuck is this post

Fucking this. You need to take the hoppepill mate

Everyone shut up and watch this

youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I

before you start crying about fascism.