Sup Forums. Putin

Ladies and gentlemen, I often read and post in /po/ of 2ch. And in opinion of anons there, you admire Putin, as you count him powerful leader and defender of traditional european values.
I desire you to dispel or, conversely, confirm these your stereotipes. It would be better to attract some analytics and facts.
Also, what do you know about Alexey Navalny?

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Yeah, Putin's a pretty cool guy. Tough leader, not a little babby like Western European country leaders. Also not a globalist, so that makes him okay in my book. A Russian-American alliance would be a wonderful thing.

Putin is a dangerous gangster who kills or maims his opponents. But I don't think he was responsible for hacking Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

Putin's the kinda guy to Blackmail Cancer with a Cure.

I can't discuss seriously about your inner policy, but migration policy of Trump is more tough than Putin. Russia has a lot of legal and illegal migrants from Middle Asia. And of course, Putin won't build a wall on border anywhere.

What are the relations between Putin and the Jews?

>Alexey Navalny
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Party_(Russia)
>0 Duma seats
>0 Regional seats

So basically a nothingburger.

>The party's platform stands for the decentralization of power in Russia, cutting the number of government officials, lustration for those responsible for political repressions, reducing the president’s powers, possibly switching to a parliamentary republic and ensuring the independence of the judiciary. It also stipulates "drastically reducing" government interference in the economy, ending censorship, prohibiting the government from owning media outlets and abolishing conscription.

Sounds good, except not everybody in Russia Fed is as nice feel goody as this party and likely would start jacking power in the vacuum left by the decentralization. Didn't Putin install pretty much merciless proxies in states like Ingushetia, Dagestan ect and they only hold power because of federal gibs? No federal gibs = warlord can't keep down the extremist derkas anymore, extremists declare ISIS caliphate, extremists get foreign Saudi dollars to destroy Moscow regardless of new friendly regime who doesn't support 'rogue states' (iran).

>The foreign policy plank calls for introducing visas with Central Asia, stopping support for "rogue states" and partnering up with Western countries.

Except the jews in those "western" countries would demand he pull the visas req for Central Asian day laborers. Partnering with a western country means doing their bidding unless your GDP is huge like the US or UK and you can dictate terms otherwise they will just globalist fuck you in the ass.

Do you wish the Soviet Union was still around?

Putin would be perfect if he were several inches taller

>I often read and post in /po/ of 2ch
You have to go back.
How are the summer holidays btw?

They're just ignorant. Putin is a big time muslim lover. Didn't he say something like those who say russia should be for russians are idiots
I don't know much about Navalnyi

Putin is a kike

>So basically a nothingburger.
He got 22% in the Moscow mayor elections. That's quite a lot

I know the anti putin sentiment. It isn't all wrong, Putin is sneaky authority etc etc, but it is better for your country to have a strong man than slip into faggotry trust me.

gopniks, all of them.

Yeah, Navalny is that guy Putin is probably going to have assassinated.

after Russia’s annexation of Crimea...
“Well, he’s done an amazing job of taking the mantle. You look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, OK, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’ And he really goes step by step by step, and you have to give him a lot of credit.”
-Trump on Fox Business

Not really, Moscow is bigger than a lot of countries and has a tendency to always be up in arms about something, because any portion of the moscow population looks big on camera, he has no support in the regions and in moscow he was voted for as a protest vote more than any actual support for the man.

After 2014 let us see what people like him produce when they take power, his support has plummeted there too, Dima 2% is a common dismissal of his entire cause nowdays.

It would be better to create Slavic Union or something like this,which united postsoviet countries, not based on communism

Wasnt there protest around Russia last month? Even our media reported about them or was it ebin fake news :DDD

No, I am sure Navalny will not assassinated. He probably used by Kremlin in order to show "real opposite candidate".
Did you hear about Navalny's meetings?
No, his supporters never change the system by such passive behaviour.

Understand, when western news say that "thousands protested all around russsia" they hope really hard that you don't remember that russian population is around 145 million.

"Thousands protesting" this or that thing is about as newsworthy as the fact that putin will win our next election.

Central Asians just want their rightful clay

>you admire Putin, as you count him powerful leader and defender of traditional european values.
That would be a gross overstatement, but he does support European nationalism so I would consider him a potential ally.

>Constantinople owned by the Mongols

I see him as a lesser evil. And honestly that's pretty much the best you can hope for in this insane world.

>by such passive behaviour.
What to do then? Throw bomb's at putin limo? Blow up his villa? We already had shit like that.

He is a communist. Everyone with half a brain understands this. But for some reason especially people who cant speak nor understand russian assume hes some sort of conservative Czar that is fighting the "NWO". Its the most primitive propaganda you could imagine.

I don't admire him, but I don't demonize him either. he's just another head of state that cares about his country. At least he isn't a globalist so I don't hate him.

>Ladies and gentlemen, I often read and post in /po/ of 2ch. And in opinion of anons there, you admire Putin, as you count him powerful leader and defender of traditional european values.
>I desire you to dispel or, conversely, confirm these your stereotipes. It would be better to attract some analytics and facts.
>Also, what do you know about Alexey Navalny?


Navalny is CIA puppet and financed by the same old group of motherfuckers. Basically cancer.

Putin took Russia from shit, back to world power under any analytics. It's a great leader for Russian and could be a great ally to EU if we weren't complete Cuck.

Full stop

Navalny is a middle class metropolitan liberal, no? Surely he doesn't have much support in the wider nation. Give me someone like Sergei Udaltsov any day (but of course, because he actually poses a threat, he is in prison already...)

How does German propaganda describes him?

Why globalism is bad? I think, borders between countries will be deleted anyway.

As a despotic Czar. Many left wingers dont like the man in the Kremlin now because he is apparently represeting "conservative values" now.

I think he's a good leader. Possesses a spine, which is worryingly uncommon these days. Respect him, but don't want him having anything to do with my government.

In what possible world is Putin a communist? Does he advocate worker's control? Does he oppose the existence of the state? The best you can point to is occasional nationalisation and a suspicion of FDI, but that's not surprising given Russia's experience of the 90s.

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>Why globalism is bad? I think, borders between countries will be deleted anyway.

That's just step 1 of globalism. Step 2 is the deletion of democracy, step 3 is putting a price tag on the air you breathe, step 4 is making a global government that is run by multinational corpos.

Because it's consolidation of power, ignores sovereignty, the concerns of the local population are ignored, and full of shitskins and wealth redistribution.

putin is a opponent I can respect, unlike the retarded fucking leftists

Ukrainians did that? How could they make revolution, and we not?

>2ch
Don't listen to a word this faggot is saying, the whole 2ch is a boiling shitter, anyone who is posting there and reading this crap worth listening just as much as PraiseTheKekxD cunts.
>muh Navalny
Fuck off to where you belong.

Rusbros is there any idea who is going to replace Putin?
He's not a young man anymore and as far as I know Putin is rather moderate in all ways.

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Seems to be running a sham version of Soviet Union under the guise of "democracy" and seems to have a proclivity to autocratic and orwellian tendencies as far as ruling goes.

Although as you mentioned he is a defender of traditional values and he does seem to genuinely care about making Russia a fierce global contender and superpower.

Navalny is an idealist and optimist, not sure if he has the goods to back up what he preaches though. However if I were a Russian I'd be willing to take a gam le in navalny as opposed to any other putin puppet or stereotypical politician.

Putin 5/10
Navalny - meh

>How could they make revolution
because they had retarded government with no power

Look mate. This man was groomed in the Soviet system. Granted he was just a boring bureaucrat so his image is overrated. But this same man not too long ago said that he really likes "socialist ideas" and thinks they are very similar to "christian values" speaks volumes. Let alone him saying he was a card carrying communist party member not by force but by conviction. Don't even want to mention about the several Soviet traditions he brought back into Russia. Just because he is not openly advocating for a workers revolution does not mean he is not a communist. That is the whole strategy after the supposed downfall of communism. Now people like Merkel are "conservatives", Obama a "democrat" etc etc

For reference, look up Anatoli Golitsyn and Jan Sejna. Get into the material and things will start to make sense. Its really a shame that no one on pol really knows about it.

implying russians aren't just crypto mongols

The whole mongol invasion is a meme
there's bigger % of mongoloid dna in average american than russian

Chans have always been a cradle of counter culture, it is no surprise that anti-government sentiment is strong there, don't dismiss the entire thing because of that, it has plenty sane people.

>Rusbros is there any idea who is going to replace Putin?
That's the question worth 145 million russians, is it not?
>He's not a young man anymore and
He will in all likelihood stay for another 6 years, after that - who knows. There are a lot of possible candidates, I suspect that they are competing for the spot currently. I can dig up a couple but I think 6 years from now things can change radically so it's not worth the efoort to guess.
>as far as I know Putin is rather moderate in all ways.
He's a realist and a silovik. He will probably be replaced by a realist and a silovik. That's about all that can be said with certainty. Medvedev and the west tanked the liberal faction, so it's pretty much siloviks as far as the eye can see.


Do take a look at ukrainian economic and social situation after that revolution, and despair. And if you wish such for russia, I kindly ask you to remove yourself from gene pool.

Probably someone from his close people in Kremlin, some FSB-officer. I guess, it's not wisely known person yet.

>Even hohol pisses at liberashka's face.

That's pol for you.

>That's the question worth 145 million russians, is it not?
You know it doesn't work that way. Putin was chosen as the successor after Yeltsin. The election was just a formality

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Probably it will be these candidates:
1) D. Medvedev, prime-minister
2) V. Volodin, chairman of the State Duma
3) S. Shoygu, minister of defence

What does "cилoвик" mean?

Cилoвики stands for army, police, FSB, other secret services et cetera.

In fact it is very unlikely to be any of them. All 3 would be too old 6 years from now. Medved is head of liberal faction that all most of it's power because of their failed pro-western policy that was multiple times shown to be idiotic by the West itself, Qaddafi, Syria and Ukraine made them quite hard to take seriously, after Trump got into office Silovikis started shamelessly absorbing power from them because their main function was to talk with the west. Now that that purpose is best served by siloviki themselves, for 4 years at least, they are being Weakened greatly.

Volodin's and Shoigu are more feasible right now, but in 6 years? Nah, too fucking old.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silovik

> it is no surprise that anti-government sentiment is strong there
Aye, this "I would suck burgerpuppet's dick for as long as I can, at least he is not Putin, that guy sucks amirite?" is sure should be considered in a conversation.
Because of all this COUNTER CULTURE LADS this shithole attracted swarm of teens and preteens who hold no real thought but a wish to be edgy on the internet so other kids would say how smart they are, and they do feel smart especially since are WAY too smart for Sup Forums.
2ch is a bigger cyclejerk than /r_Donald/, it holds nothing in value.
>few sane people
The whole town is well known for aids spreading, b-but we can't stop having sex with everyone from there, I mean, it has few clean people?

DO NOT LISTEN TO OP

*Also, what do you know about Alexey Navalny?* he is a Russian politician with less than 2per cent popularity.
The only reason *YOU* know anything about this man is because he is a Soros funded stooge. How many British/Canadian/German/SouthAfrican politicians with less than two percent popularity can *YOU* name????
On (June12) Russia Day Navalny had a permit / approval for a protest in Moscow. Realising he was going to get a crowd of 10 people and a dog, he moved his protest to the very middle of a historic event attracting a crowd of 100,000. His losers then ran thought the displays, caused havoc, broke people's personal property _ and were _ shock! Horror! _ arrested.
Most of his losers were adolescents and this could not be prosecute as they would if adults.
The western media were put in force, photographing the arrests. The actual Russians were pissed of and angry as Navalny once again interfered with what was intended to be a fun family day on a national holiday.
Navalny is a western puppet and has no actual support in Russia.
Here's a pic of the western journos crowded around taking a pic of one guy being arrested.

It's impractical to build walls when you have plans to invade.

Evidence for this?

Including the Baltics?

What he said about Muslims:
"Russia is their home. They have no other". He was referring to,the people born in Russia who hold Muslim beliefs. This is contra posted to the immigrants to Europe who struggle to adjust culturally.
PUtin put his military into Syria to prevent ISIS ideologies infecting Russian Muslims.
Better to kill them in Suria than have them return to Russia.

Pootin is cucking Russia you dumbshits. i swear Sup Forums is fucking retarded when it comes to anything Russia

* evidence*??
You are just repeating western propaganda.
Putin is very legal minded and follows due process. Spend some time watching him at SPIEF2014/2015/2016/2017.
You'd learn you are wrong.

I am a conservative American who grew up during the early 80s. We were taught the Soviet Union was an evil empire, they were constantly funding communism throughout the world, including in areas where it didn't benefit them in any way like the Congo. A lot of our movies were very patriotic and portrayed Soviets as very competent, ruthless and determined to bring an end to our way of life. For a while we knew next to nothing about Russia because we were constantly lied to by the Russians over simple things like how many of their soldiers were captured in Afghanistan. We didn't trust the USSR and Russia and we still don't, there are a lot of people who think this way, it is not just neocons like Songbird.

At the same time, Reagan, who called the USSR the evil empire, visited Moscow in the later part of the 80s and we had a rapprochement, Reagan even took back his evil empire comment. So for a while, things were good and once the USSR fell, the American public did not feel like they defeated a great foe, but more like they let a dying animal breathe its last breaths. So we celebrated, but we knew that it wasn't some great moral victory.

Ever since then, I have viewed Russia with caution. It is very clear that just like how the American public never fully trusted Russia, so too did the Russians never fully trust America. I think Putin is a logical extension of that. He recognized that Russia lost a great deal of influence, going from superpower to regional power in just a few short years, and he wants to change that and make them influential again.

He is a well spoken man and treats the US very fairly, he is educated and not some blatant anti-American like Khomeini. But at the same time, I see that he has a lot to gain from destabilizing the US and NATO. We don't have much to offer Russia and they don't have much to offer us, because we are competitors. When one is weak, the other prospers. I will never trust Russia completely. Most Americans won't.

Baltic countries will not able to stay independently from this potential superstate near to them.

Crimea has been Russian almost as long as the USA has been a nation.
The Russian warm water port at Sevastopol is 200 years old.
NATO had a plan to take this port after the US-funded and controlled 2014 coop in Kiev.
There is no way russia will relinquish one of the most strategically important military bases on its territory.

Yes, Soros backed western media reported the protests. Navalny moved his authorised protest into a new location where 100,000 people were enjoying a historic reenactment.
He fucked up everyone's fun family day. Russians were not impressed. He did it for western cameras. You KNOW about fake news _ why accept what CNN says about Russia

Navaly is Soros funded western puppet.
He has no support among Russians.
That you even know his name shows how much western media koolaid you've slurped

Putin is NOT a communist.
His economic thinking and "politics" are very much free-market open competition.
Look no further than a press conference he gave the day he met Trump, where de discussed competition in the LNG market. He said russia will,have to compete. That's the market.
HE is not a communist.

Navalny is a CIA plant douche.

Admiral Piett is the true leader of Russia.

They are already part of a superstate, the EU. I'm all for retaking the whole of Karelia or whatever you like, but in reality, Baltics will stay free... They're not even Slavic. A Slavic Union would be a truly great thing though.

Socialist values:
Free health care. For all. Maternity "dividend"
Excellent free education.
Excellent mass transit systems.
Yes. Socialism is terrible, much better having people die cause they can't afford health care. Or starting career with a college loan.
Why do you think the corporate globalists hate Putin - what if everyone realised they could have healthy car and education - free!

>Ukrainians
Yeah, they do that every couple of years and end up in a deeper ass than previously everytime. Thank you very much, but fuck off with your revolution'n'shiieet.

Well, ok let me be precise then. He is a Leninist. "His" (its not his economic policy) is Lenins NEP transformed, just like in Red China. That there would be a sudden collapse of the Soviet system and communism as an ideology as a whole was predicted by defectors who even wrote extensive books about it that you can find even online and read. People dont understand that communists think strategically and not ideologically. Only the utopian idiots who believe in a "classless society" do and they usually end up as cannon fodder.

If you were *actually* a Russian you would have total and absolute contempt for Navalny.
You'd know he was a Soros paid puppet. He exists for the western media to photograph.
Russians remember the 1990s. When their country resembled Somalia.
Now Russia is back as a major geo-political and military power.
And Putin did that.

"Corporate globalists" like Henry Kissinger very much like Putin. All this bla bla in the media is utopian leftists panicking. Everything they dont like they call fascist, hence Putin who revived the Orthodox KGB church in Russia and is supposedly representing conservative values is a despotic autocrat or maybe even the next Hitler. Again, politicians like Obama or Hillary always talk big game but have never actually done anyhting significantly to hurt the powers that be in the Kremlin.

This is getting old, always the same out of context nonsense, sad to see that even Fins seem these days to not know some of the most basic facts about Russia.
Russia became the Russian Empire the day they conquered the Muslim Tatars East of Moscow about 500 years ago.
What they did not do is exterminate these Muslims, these Muslims stayed in these territories of their ancestors to this day.
So Russia was right from its conception a majority Orthodox Christian / minority Muslims society, therefore Putins statement about this people is absolutely correct.
But he means these specific Muslim minorities, not Arabs, Iranians and others who are NOT allowed to settle in Russia.

If you believe that it would be smart for Putin, or for that matter any other Russian leader to piss off these Russian Muslims you must be completely fucked in the head, because it'd only lead to internal conflict like the one we've seen in Chechnya.
If the ancestors of Russians could live in one empire with them for centuries successfully and now all of a sudden they discover they can't, then something has gone very wrong.

So why is Navalny then pushed and funded by the joos, yet has only a very small but extreme following?
Navalny antagonises these Russian Muslim minorities very effectively, if he got into power, or someone like him, it could be expected that suddenly Republics would start to strive for independence.
It could even lead to new regional civil wars, so all things that would delight the joos in their eternal struggle to rule the lands of the Slavs again.

Make no mistake, if a guy like Navalny ever had a reasonable chance to get into power they would most definitely suicide him, as no one ruling Russia will allow the country to disintegrate. And I would absolutely approve of doing so.

I don't really care who is in charge as long as Russia stays stable. That's best for everyone
But the history shows a lot can happen in a short period of time and Russia has always broke from inside within.

But Putin and his friend has cemented their position so well nothing drastic will happen I think

No. Not a Leninist. He is not looking 100 years into the past.
He is looking forward. With the sanctions placed on Russia in 2014 he has see. The need for Russia to develop its own independent system to link with international finance. Russia is becoming increasingly a diverse economy, with agricultural military and aviation exports. It is developing its article and Far East regions.
Putin pushed for Russia to join WTO. He is a modern economist who wants to build Russian economy based on free-market principles.

He is a staunch nationalist who does what he needs to do, this is good enough.

Russia will never be a democracy of the kind that we have.
A country with such vast territories, so many different ethnicities and languages bordering on so many strong nations who could one day be potential enemies will by nature always prefer stability, even if it's cruel in some cases, over democratic values.
That's why Finns had an easier life bordering Russia as a neutral nation with a small army vs many other strong nations who always had bad experiences bordering Russia.

The 2014 Ukrainian Maiden coop was 100% US state department and CIA funded.
Victoria Nuland admitted this. The US spent 5billion funding the Maiden.
The purpose was to take Sevastopol _ the Russian warm water Mediterranean Sea port. Which has been Russian for 200 years.
Crimea is Russian territory, has been Russian territory for almost as long as the US has been a nation. The western globalists are pissed because their plan to steal Crimea was thwarted by the Crimeans themselves

It's hilarious because Finland always claims to be an expert in Tatar-Mongol history yet doesn't know shit about actual Central Asia

This guy gets it...

>mongol
>mongoloid
I think you're both

And what kind of demon-ocracy do you have, exactly?
Why all the anger following Trump election?
The anger over the,electoral college V the "popular" vote?
Who can vote in America? Who chooses to vote?
And why all the angst that a vote "changes nothing"?
What *exactly* do you mean by *your democracy?*

Lenins NEP was devised to support trade and so called "free market reforms" so the Soviet bloc could garner the resources needed to modernize its military or well, its war making abilities in general. They were supposed to conquer the whole world during the "world revolution" and obviously they were not ready shortly after seizing power.

I never claimed anything like that? I didn't even know what Navalnyi stands for
Why should I know anything about central asia in the first place? I can't even pinpoint all the stan countries in the map

Lenin was _ literally _ 100 top years ago _1917.
Nothing else has remained as it was in 1917.
Putin is a man looking forward,
He has a deep understanding of Russia's history. But he is not looking to repeat.
He says himself, to look 20 - 50 years into the future.
That is why he is engaging in the Belt and Road Initiative with China. The world will look very different in5- 10 years, if the neocons don't start WW3 _ which is their goal.

Here in Austria it does, right wingers are far ahead in polls and we'll have in October elections.
Even the left acknowledges that we'll likely soon have a right-conservative/far right wing coalition, similar to that of Hungary. (the guy who actually closed the Balkan route for migration will become our new prime minister)
So you see, the democracy here actually does something, we have a peaceful transition of power from leftist governments to right wing governments.
Just because the EU globalists push mass migration of niggers to our lands does not change the fact that the population rejects this, votes accordingly and we get a leadership that actually does something to stop migration.

Don't you always claim to be related to them? We wuz an empire an sheeit?

He is right about that, I mostly agree with what Putin does and how he communicates it.
He's very balanced in his views, I do not get how people would call him an extremist.
Someone like him would have been called a centrist 20 years ago, but these days centrists look more like Marxist - brainwashed psychopaths.

Prez Putin he's this pretty based guy.

I thought everyone else thought that way. Has the mongol gone this far already

All I know is Putin is the sexiest man alive.

Putin is a thug, and Russia should be balkanized.

Haha, the neocon movement was also founded by an "ex-communist" or "ex-trotzkyite" I should say.

And it's funny that you're mentioning Red China. The Communist Party of China has never ever renounced its goal of implementing world Communism. And their planning is also very, very far ahead, just like the neo cons btw. If you look at the ideological background of all of these actors everything becomes pretty clear.

You don't understand that Perestroika etc was a strategy in leninist tradition. Gorbachev himself has repeated and talked about this many times.And dont give me this "Gorbachev is a traitor" shit. He has done exactly what he was supposed to do. That's why he was good friends with Rockefeller and Maurice Strongs, who btw called himself a "socialist in theory". Actually its very easy to understand. The world is faced with two alternatives. Either a worldwide socialist dictatorship by "consent" i.e. the slow transformation which is mainly being accomplished by the Climate Change agenda. Or by force, which would mean all out nuclear war. And it will be started NOT by the United States but by the eastern bloc and they have been preparing for this for decades now, with help from the "globalists", while the Americans havent tested any nuclear weapons in like what, 25 years?? But this is all new to you, because you have shit sources from the altnernative media that is littered with propaganda from the eastern bloc.

Yep. You've been drinking the US koolaid, and don't even know it. The US entertainment industry is an extension of the military-industrial complex, .... So of course Russians are portrayed exactly how the military was ts the to be perceived.
The US sponsored and funded the collapse of the Soviet Union (and to be fair, there were deep fissures which allowed it to spilt) but the US was deeply embedded in funding the process of collapsing the USSR.
During the 1990s US corporates and swept in and bought up Russia's national resources at fire sale prices. Russia became the equivalent of Somalia.
Male life expectancy dropped to 55years. The birth rate dropped. Russians were unemployed and starving. It was a period of chaos and unrest. All supported and funded by the US. Yelstin was a US puppet - he had 6per cent popularity and yet *won* the election. The US was so proud of how it had inserted its puppet, it boasted about it on the front cover of Time magazine. Yes. That is what "meddling" in elections looks like.
Russia under Putin is growing its economy, restoring its military capacity and looking to engage with China to build a major economic corridor from Moscow to Beijing.
You wont read a sentence about this in the US-western media.
Stop drinking CNN koolaid. Visit TASS for info on what Russia is *actually* doing. It'll make your head spin.