My job is turning me into a socialist

When I was a teenager, and then a college student, I was fully pro-libertarian/pro-free market, all the way. But now that I actually have a full time job, it is really changing my view.

Working 40 hours a week is absolutely hell. It absolutely destroys your soul. And I'm there for more than 40 hours, more like 8 and a half every day because of lunch, and a lot of people even are there for 9 hours a day. So it's 8 hours of absolutely mind numbing, fucking boring work. And that doesn't even factor the commuting time - sitting in agonizing traffic every morning and every evening on the way home. And you also have to factor getting ready in the morning. So really, each day is around 10-11 hours of either preparing for work, driving to/from work, or being at work. So really, you only have about 4-5 hours to actually enjoy your day, or get anything out of the day, but by then you're so fucking tired. It doesn't help that more and more offices are ditching cubicles are going with an "open office plan", so now you have to be around fucktards all day and you have no privacy at all, ALL DAY.

It's ridiculous. There is no way that a workweek should be 40 fucking hours and take up so much of our time. We absolutely need a shorter work week. Having to live under this capitalist system is fucking bullshit. Can any of you honestly tell me you really enjoy it? When you complain people just say "oh, so you're lazy?" No, it's not lazy to want a lifestyle that isn't totally shit. I think we need to focus on the means of production to decrease work and improve all our lives instead of pretending that we enjoy working in capitalism.

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Your job should be always to find a better job. By 'better' I mean, one that you enjoy. Tht way, you will enjoy the reciprocal side of capitalism,: freedom to do what you like doing.

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i only work 30-35 hours a week and i feel like anyone who works any more on something that they're neutral or negative towards is retarded

Sup Forumstard here. I was born in a privileged family, yet I am socialist myself. More than my parents (who are "liberal" but centrists).

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i work 15 hour days 3 days a week and have no complaints like OP

>Can any of you honestly tell me you really enjoy it?

You should try changing job. Never stay too long in a job where you feel miserable. Try a different job environment. Reach out to new people.

40 hr/week is not something to be sad about, tho. Just spend your time off more wisely.

For one thing, it's hard as fuck to find a job. Even getting this one was a huge pain in the ass. But mainly, I don't think anyone could really enjoy working FORTY hours a week on a job. The more I work, the more ridiculous is seems that 40 is the expectation, and of course, tons of people actually work more than that.

Hitler was actually the first in Europe to implement the 40 hour traditional work day that we use.

Before Hitler did this it was very common for people to work upwards to 65 hours a week with the average being 60 hours.

Capitalism is evil if it is unchecked, having some socialist policies regarding workers rights is not a bad thing.

You can still be a social conservative but believe in strong workers rights economically speaking.

Between being a penniless NEET and being a wagecuck, I'm happy to be a wagecuck

>Working 40 hours a week is absolutely hell.
>Wants to pay more in taxes
KYS

You're fixating on forty hours. Put that out of your mind for the moment. Spend one hour each day thinking about what you might like to be doing with your time. Then use that time to devise a plan to work towards that goal in small steps.

You may not end up doing what you planned, but you will end up doing something you enjy and, trust me, your time spent working will not feel as burdensome as it currently does.

Shut the fuck up and get back to work you wagecuck.

Become a socialist... A National Socialist, much better.

Fun fact: only thing that socialist can offer is eternal job.

>more offices are ditching cubicles are going with an "open office plan", so now you have to be around fucktards all day and you have no privacy at all, ALL DAY.
This is the worst shit user, I feel your pain

People work for money.

"Do you work so that you can live? Or do you live so that you can work?"

There is no law prohibiting you from applying on new job offers while you're still employed.

But 40 hours is still pretty normal for a full-time job. If your problem is how much you work, rather than being displeased with your job, it can probably be fixed by talking with your boss, and dragging in a doctor recommendation that you try a period where you work less.

Mfw i work 60-80 hours a week

>This is the worst shit user, I feel your pain

I suppose that is something I could work toward, but honestly, it's hard to have the energy to do anything after getting home from work. I just spent basically the entire day - 6AM to 6PM - getting reading for work, driving to work, being at work, and getting home - so there is just absolutely no energy or motivation left in the tank. To be able to actually do things productively, to really be engaged with stuff outside of work, you don't just need some time, you need peace of mind. It's impossible to really feel relaxed at all, or want to do anything, when most of the time when I'm not AT work, I'm just dreading having to be there. I totally get what you're saying about finding other stuff to do, but again, it's fucking hard to find any job at all, and being in this system, where most people have to work 40+ hours, it just seems like we're putting people off to a shitty starting point that makes it pretty hard to do anything else

I would probably be willing to pay a bit more if I really saw the dividends - much shorter work week, free healthcare, etc. And honestly, the top tax bracket in the US pays less than 40% which is very low compared to most other first world nations

Communism is the ideal society, and even its grotesque distortion that is socialism is still better than the cold pragmatic cruelty of the free market. We absolutely need a shoter work week. In fact work should be optional. Someday it will be. Someday soon.

How can you honestly believe you were a libertarian with those attitudes so readily in you?

The whole point of libertarianism is taking your own fate into your own hands. If that's hard to do, you work harder to do it.

You get one taste of tough work and you cave and want the system changed.

All changing to socialism will do is perhaps give you a shorter work week but make your whole society less productive and therefore poorer, and eventually you'll realise your opportunities to move upwards and gain riches that can make you truly free and independent are much more limited because the system is designed to bring everyone down to the bottom level to pay for things like shorter work weeks and wealth redistribution.

Work night shift
Get a mans job, not in some homo office
men will never be happy in an office if an alpha
40hrs a long week, week man
Your job does not fulfil you
Find one that does or prepare for depression and mid life crisis

Or you can be a nigger and leech of the rest of us

You're working at least 10 of those hours per week to pay for the useless niggers and single moms who don't do shit.

Most AnCaps/libertarians are rather dellusional people who are too autistic to recognize context.
In an ideal society were values like solidarity, love for your country etc were upheld by everyone small goverment might work.
In the real work, man is the wolf of man. And in oir posmodern society people have become individualistic an selfish to the extreme, so they need to be forced to behave and help out their neighbours by force

>home sweet socialist home
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Nah. It's what the (((service economy))) and international free trade does. You are now a commercial unit, congratulations.

A more traditional society would venerate the tradesman and farmer.

When the state has no power corporations own you. Money is political power, and inequality is inequality of power.

You want a better life style? Did you WORK for it?
You are lazy piece of shit, you just want to steal from people instead of working. That makes you a criminal. Work for mediocre assholes is not about enjoyment, but about effort for money. You want the money without the effort: that is criminal. Socialists use the state as a mafia for extorting money from those who make the money with their work and talent.

The energy you expired in that somehwat defeatist post could have been used to think about what you want to do. Don't let your mind dissuade you from an action that you feel is true in your heart.

Give my plan a try without second-guessing yourself or prematurely commenting on the success or failure of the endevour. It might change your life for the better.

As much as I think that this an absolutely shit b8 post, I'll give it a bite.

Guess what? You're nobody special, OP. Nobody gives a shit. Instead of complaining about your own shitty life, take control and make it better. Nobody is forcing you to work. You can quit anytime. The good thing about capitalism is that it enables the best to rise to the top while the worst of humanity stays at the bottom. This is the natural hierarchy of things. If you can't figure out how to get to the top, then better get used to the idea of working as a cog in the machine. It's your choice. This what we capitalists fight for. Frankly, I don't give a damn about your sensibilities. You alone have the capability to succeed on your own.

When Corbin Laden rises to power it will be paradise and free summer death camps for all.

Nah welfare is like 10% of the american budget.
Tax cuts are the same as giving money. So 10 of those hours are probably spent in giving rich millionaires tax rebates so that they can buy yachts.

Holy shit OP are you me?

I too was a staunch libertarian and voted for Ron Paul when I was younger. I fully believed in free market economics. But now that I'm older having to deal with work and everything dealing with it, I feel like I'm waking up to the realities. I don't know whether to feel scared or amazing at how my views have changed so dramatically rapidly. It's like some alien or the Soviets from the moon have beamed these ideas into my head. I'm even going to leftypol to try and reading the ideas because I find them so fascinating from a different perspective now. And now some of the bigger flaws of capitalism are becoming more pertinent I can't help but change.

Most rich people don't work for their lifestyle. They steal and then they buy it.

If you were rich you probably wouldn't think that the road to wealth is hard work. I know because I'm rich.

>You are lazy piece of shit, you just want to steal from people instead of working.

But what if a ton of the tax money already is fucking wasted? If for instance, we stopped giving money to international aid so much, decreased stuff like , stop bringing in so many immigrants, you could probably make a far more efficient use of tax money that would actually help citizens.

Then organize.

Really? My job made me more capitalist.

Tradecuck btw.

But the more advanced we get with technology, doesn't that narrative become more and more outdated? I mean, isn't a major point of technology to DECREASE work and make life easier? And while it has decreased hard manual labor, it seems like the cost of necessities are going up and a focus on worklife is stronger than ever. Your darwinian stance feels less and less relevant when 1 machine can do the work of many men

It feels like, with all the advances in technology, we shouldnt have to settle for this

Most tax moneys go into breaks, and aid to wealthy and middle class citizens.

Wealth people pay an effective tax rate of 15 to 25% because of deductions. Take out the deductions and say that they can't pay under 35% like most middle class families and you would have a shit tone of money.

thats weak
welcome to life
ive been working full time sense 15
Youll get used to it
I dont feel for you tho, life sucks so get over it
Working 40 hours a week and getting taxed to pay for welfare cases was the ultimate red pill
I wish canada would do soething like russia
If you dont wanna work 2 bullets in the head and leave you slumped in the streets
Creates a job for someone to clan you up
Get a better job

>And in oir posmodern society people have become individualistic an selfish to the extreme

Reminds me of this

This really helps. I really enjoy what I do and work is rarely a chore (of course there's some bullshit, it's unavoidable, but I'm also a pretty easygoing and adaptable person).

There are also some people who would just be miserable regardless of what job they have, though. Anything that requires work and doesn't involve pursuing their own interests is seen as a waste of time. Seems to be more common among millennials and younger folks (boomers and gen X may not like their jobs, but they also realize you just got to fucking suck it up and deal with it to live comfortably). OP is one of these people I suspect.

Eh working 40 a week isn't bad, it's the 5 days a week part and unpaid ot if u are salary. 4 10's, 9/80's, or 12 hour shift isn't bad assuming not too much OT. 12 hour shift usually have 7 days off in a row.

The point is that now labor is not a necessity to produce goods, but it's a way to justify your wealth and privilege.

The invention of bullshit jobs is perfect. Bullshit jobs is basically a way that rich people found to overpay their good for nothing fail sons. Naturally all the money that they send to the children of their other rich friends gets written off taxes and in exchange they receive favors.

Graeber calls it "the communism of the rich"

That's the thing with capitalism. How does it work when machines have replaced most work. You still need money to survive so where do you get it if you can't get work. Machines should make things less expensive and enough for everyone. What happens then?

Do we turn into a cyberpunk soylent green elysium dystopia where the wealth hoard everything or a startrekian utopia where technology truly enriches mankind?

Nothing to be proud. I pity you, no one deserves to do the hard an numbing life that you do.

you think too much, your desk job is for lower IQ people who are contempt to earn their shitty bread crumbs at the end of the month to spend compulsively at malls. you went wrong somewhere in the middle of choosing your career path. you see, I fucking hate the concept of free market, but it has its flaws and crevices where you can take advantage of it and live comfortably. this is a world of literal morons. Morons are eager to spend a lot. Make sure a fraction of that ends up in your pocket.

Get out of that fucking office, now.

>look at me guys! i got used to slaving my life away!
>oh you don't want to be a slave? wish you got two bullets to the head!
fool.

You are doing it wrong.

Also, how different do you think your life would be under socialism? What, do you want to be one of those professional party membership holders?

Better get ahead with the times, boyo. Ever study history? What about the guys that made cart wheels, wagon parts, and bred horses? What about the guys that made wax and wicks for candles? What about the guys that made every weapon by themselves?

The point is if you can't catch up with the technological revolution of this era, then you deserve to be left in the past. The old leftist narrative of "technology should be made for our purposes" is ridiculous as technology always requires new jobs which in turn spurs more technology. This is a well-set pattern throughout thousands of years and socialism tries to stop technological progress.

But do I really give a crap about your plight? Not really, but I figured that I'd pass on a few words of wisdom. Capitalism will go on as long as people desire to choose their own fate. Spouting some Che Guevara shit on an online forum only proves how ineffective socialism these days is able to change history anymore.

The biggest barrier to equality is people that have been beaten down and suffered all their life realizing that they have been treated like shit for no reason at all, they were taken advantage of

>The invention of bullshit jobs is perfect
This too. Now you have bullshit jobs like Chief Executive Consultant or Head Vice President Synergy Specialist. It's like a money laundering scheme

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>What about the guys that made cart wheels, wagon parts, and bred horses?
What about them? Who invented cart wheels first? They were probably some slaves. All results of their work belonged to their masters immediately, don't even know who they were.

its a nescessary thing to do if you wanna get ahead
ive used my money and invested it properly
i own land, i have nice things
i dont work the same jobs, i have more income now and benefits
life is hard but people often take it for granted
immigrants come here and push out 60 hour work weeks for "a better life"
a better life that is normalized here
imagine working or living in socialist columbia

>I hate my job so everyone should go to theirs and pay more taxes so I can be less productive and have more fun

get raped you fucking loser.

Why not ubi and then everyone gets the job they want and when they want them?

Like you live your life, you need extra cash, you freelance.

I see random titles like that 100 times a day in my company's emails and newsletters and shit

easy there hadjii
i live in a nice country with nice things
youre a shit skin living in a shit hole of a country
id willingly put in 40 hour sper week to make sure my quality of life is better than yours
you should try it

This is the truth right here. Don't miss it.
Trick to happiness is avoidance of suffering.
If you want to have a nice life, you must take it easy. Take all the things. Easy.

You sound really fucking lazy. Find another job if you don't like it, like I did.
Sage for probable slide thread.

>Working 40 hours a week is absolutely hell. It absolutely destroys your soul.

Because you're doing shit work you don't enjoy, faggot, that's your poor decision.

>We absolutely need a shorter work week.

Because you made poor choices? Dumbfuck commiefag tale is just so obvious.

>There is no way that a workweek should be 40 fucking hours and take up so much of our time.

Yeah, because you'd be playing video games or be a professional protestor if you got paid to do nothing, HOW FUCKING PRODUCTIVE AND LIFE-CHANGING!!!!!

> I think we need to focus on the means of production to decrease work and improve all our lives instead of pretending that we enjoy working in capitalism.

Translated: "Even though working long, hard hours was good for civilization for millennia and only in the last few decades have we been shown we can be lazy dole suckers, I think it'd be just fine it everyone got paid to do nothing because we should enjoy the fruits of capitalism without putting our own time, money or effort on the line. All because I don't like working makes this true."

Nah, just kill yourself for being either a lazy fuck or a commie in disguise, neither will be needed in the future.

Yuno it's not going to work that way.
Did you ever get into applying for financial aid in college? For them subsidized loans. Did you notice anything strange about how much grant and loans you get? Remember "suggested contributions" from different parties?

It's not necessary. I never worked a day in my life and now I live in a 1000 sq feet apartment on the 17th floor with a view on the empire state building.

Funny thing is you can't directly apply for these positions. You have to "know people" who hook you up with these made up jobs. It's basically like getting expensive welfare from a corporation. Money that was cut from the hard workers.

I can't read the text. It's too fuzzy in mobile view. Can you link me to it?

Why is this always the reaction? "Hurr durr you're just lazy, you're a loser". It's weird, it just sounds like you are conditioned to accept this bullshit at all costs. Do you really think taxes now couldn't be spent way more efficiently? Do you really think spending virtually all week at work should be part of our lives? Why are you so quick to criticize someone who might want it to different?

Stop whining you fucking cunt. I work more than 40 hours per day. As a matter of fact, many people work much more than you do.

>waaah, I'm too much of a pussy to handle work like a man. I want the govt to take care of me!
What are you a nigger? If you want a better life then work for it. Get a marketable skill and find a better job. Only women and shitskins whine like little bitches.

Never in history at this rate and in this form. Tell me all about the wonderful jobs the automatized cashiers at the supermarkets will create.

>confusing capitalism with slavery

What the fuck are you doing...

Well, enjoy your little "rebellion" against the system. I'll be busy employing guys like you to pay for my Jaguar. Notice I didn't say "enslaving" as I would have to pay them well enough to want to work for me.

>minimize debt

That's the key. Take a look at your bills and what you're spending your money on. Is there a lot of extraneous bullshit that's eating a lot of your money, that you'd in reality really be better off without buying in the first place? Purge that shit. Then you don't have to work 40 hours and overtime.

>There is no way that a workweek should be 40 fucking hours and take up so much of our time.
>We absolutely need a shorter work week.
What would you do with your time? Probably spend it buying and using things brought to you by a capitalist system.

>Having to live under this capitalist system is fucking bullshit.
You know, you and all your coworkers could quit working for capitalist companies and quit buying capitalist goods. Hit 'em where it hurts, their money.

Or move to Russia if capitalism and freedom is too much for you to handle.

im guessing you dont see you career as "work" and more like "i get paid to do what i like"

if thats the case, please dont nit pick shit on language and word play

words and interchangeable but you still gotta be driven to do something with your life theres no way you got there sitting on your ass and hoping it falls into your lap.

No I didn't. I went to college in Europe so that I could avoid going into debt.

I paid 2k a year for 3 years to get my BA, and I did that because all schools are public in europe.

the true tragedy in my opinion is that we are actually bred for this.

we(humanity) let our best/most fit murder each other over nothing.

we are the leftovers.

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When did I say I wanted to do NO work at all? I was saying how shitty it is that the VAST MAJORITY of our time is spent working, probably way more than necessary. I don't understand why even pointing that out makes people so mad.

Also, most work is shit work. There's a reason why it's called work.

Also if you really get ubi, and manage to get it fair (per household, small bonus for extra adults, no bonus for children) it will be absolutely not enough to survive.

>talking to an Ancap about taxes
Abolish welfare, faggot. People like you who won't work hard enough need to find a way to be useful.

I worked hard and trained for a field that had a lot of job offers, now I make a boatload of cash and I don't have a degree.
Make better life choices, and choose work that has high availability in your area.
Communism is as effective as a flaming pile of dogshit on a door stoop. Yeah, it works as intended, fucking people over.

>it just sounds like you are conditioned to accept this bullshit at all costs

It also sounds like you continually are making excuses for your poor life decisions or your desire to get paid to do nothing but have fun. Interesting, eh?

>Do you really think taxes now couldn't be spent way more efficiently?

Going off topic? Sure, taxes could be better spent, but spending them so people who don't want to work can sit around doing as they please is just retarded use of funds.

>Do you really think spending virtually all week at work should be part of our lives?

Where did you get the impression that the world should revolve around your whims and desires? Ah, that's right, leftist trash thinks it knows better than all that came before it, so you go, girl, get those dole gibs and be the failure you always dreamed of.

>Why are you so quick to criticize someone who might want it to different?

Because you're making excuses for why the world should operate in a completely different fashion than it actually works under all due to your disdain for having to be employed. If you cannot see how retarded you're sounding with all this, then there's no hope for you.

go ahead and do just that.
as you seem to be incapable doing anything else.

Because not everyone is a soft pussy. Everyone has to work. Every animal on the planet struggles to survive. You have no idea how comparatively easy your life is as you sit here whining about your Mon-Fri air conditioned office job where you sit on your ass being bored. You have no idea what hardship is.

I want to pay much, much less in taxes and I want to support almost zero layabout slacker socialists so that more of my labour benefits me and my family directly.

I'm sorry you don't find your job fulfilling, maybe you should learn a different skill set and expand your horizons rather than wishing for a socialist revolution.

Also why the fuck are all the pro-socialist parties in the West also pro-mass immigration from the third world? Seems fucking retarded, bringing in more migrants will just increase the financial burden and make the culture a lot worse. I'm mostly socially liberal but not on the issue of immigration. I definitely think Trump is vastly more correct about the issue than the majority of politicians.

Here, folks, is where capitalists and socialists diverge. Capitalists choose to seek opportunity, thinking "How can I make money?" While socialists choose to think, "I can't make money! I give up! There are no opportunities!"

Socialists are chickens running around with their heads cut off, absolutely blind to opportunities. This is why the real movers and shakers of the technological world has always been capitalists seeking to make profit off of their wonderful inventions when asking the question, "How can I make money?"

No mate, I don't have a job. When I was 21 I ran into some very rich people, who made my fortune. At first I was organizing parties and events for them, managing some of their affairs here and there, but quickly I made so much money that now I'm just rolling it shitposting all day.

Then, OP, the answer is clear - start your own business doing something you enjoy, set your own hours, and -wow- you can get what you say you want. If you don't go out and do it, then you have zero right to complain because there is no UBI, only welfare, so either make the life you want or deal with the one you've got.

t. guy who has worked for himself for 19 years

motherfucker back in my day we worked 100 hours a week and never complained once. yall motherfuckers weak as shit

Mate most new engineers get excited about a new salary position to start with and see the pay and go WOWO

then they realize it's required to be there 60 to 80 hours a week for no additional compensation

I'm not in that boat but I have been stuck on mandotary OT for a while and it sucked even though i was paid (1.0x additional hours)

There wasn't even time to lift and the money was like an extra 100$ a week, worthless come tax season

its the world we live in
years and years and years ago you had to bust your ass and work on a farm, you needed to be skilled at trades, etc
times have changed but the game hastnt
life will treat you like shit
rich or poor
it makes more sense to get your money up and be miserable than being poor and miserable
40 hour work weeks are not long
60-80 hour work weeks are long
but people do it

>Because you're making excuses for why the world should operate in a completely different fashion than it actually works under all due to your disdain for having to be employed.

have a kid.

I never said I didn't want to work AT ALL, I was just saying the current conditions of working are BULLSHIT when we look at our level of technology. The more we advance as a species the less we should be working, I don't see why you would disagree with that. The current system is bullshit and you all know it.

Nah. That's only in discretionary spending. Count automatic stabilizers which are 80% of the budget.

Use Google and perhaps an econ course at your local college.

Faggot

The point of UBI is to make it enough to survive. So that working becomes voluntary and not a blackmail. Only in this way you alleviate the power that the rich have over the poor just by being richer.

I can relate to a lot of this and i'm still trying to overcome this. I'd tried to start out at one of the lower tier jobs in retail at a supermarket and i was in frozen/dairy. Needless to say a lot of my fellow co workers also seemed to also being carrying a weight on their shoulders, i had an alcoholic in my one aisle , and a bitchy co worker in the other. Needless to say i was only there for about 4 weeks max and i dragged it out not wanting to wimp out thinking it was just used to the work environment but one day i just said fuck it i can't take this. I had more fun high school and never got paid! Idk how that's even possible. Right now im probably going to go back to school to finish my associates in network engineer but idk if its retail; or just working in lower end jobs if someone can relate but higher functioning jobs im hoping only 20 :/ pay better and have better people in my environment to work with. Cause the #1 complaint i had with said job was my co workers. The best day i had there was when i was working an aisle by myself but were rare days.

Think of the hundreds of IT specialists required to keep those from ordering 150,000 Big Macs because La'Quisha pressed a special order of buttons and caused a glitch to occur. All the software developers, mechanical and electrical engineers, people to maintain them. All the people hired to install them, and all the people required to design and prototype the fucking things originally.
The problem with you welfare whores is you can't think past "muh job"
You need to stop and think, perhaps the job loss is just the market's way of adapting new technologies to make EVERYTHING else cheaper for the end consumer.

except of course, those who must toil as slaves at the jobs too unpleasant for the politico-card-carrying ubi receivers. Now the just and proper ubi future will surely only use criminals for that, so at least initially there will be no shortage for that. There'll be plenty of perps being relentlessly guilty of being a white male

FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT

It's not 10% you fucking retard because it's not just welfare. It's free schooling (daycare) for single moms and niggers. It's prison for single moms kids and niggers. It's the armed services to pay single moms benefits and to shoot niggers overseas.

Most of your taxes are being sucked up by single moms and niggers, in one way or another.

>The current system is bullshit and you all know it.


Aaaannnnnnnnnnd....we reveal our commiefag self clearly with this one line.