Which side was was logically more right?

Which side was was logically more right?

No one. All of them were jew puppets.

But the jews invented right and wrong

The Union

None of the above because neither side wanted to send the nogs back to Africa.

the union. south's decision was based on high emotion and refusal to compromise.

I think logically, the South was. They were pretty much fighting for the survival of their states. Shitty as it was, at this point and even when the constitution was ratified, slavery was already deeply ingrained in the Southern economy. Their economy was dependent on slave labor and they had no reason to believe that the Northern states gave two shits about helping them convert their economy to non slave labor (whether that be tax subsidies or tax credits, etc.)

The North literally wanted to end slavery for no other reason than because it was illegal in Europe and they wanted to be seen as equal to Europe. They still hated black people and believed they were inferior.

The south wanted to abolish slavery as well but more gradually and build them up to be free first. The abolishment would've happened anyway because the invention of the cotton gin erased the need for as many slaves. Just freeing the slaves

What logical reason did the Union have to want to end slavery in states they didn't even live in?

They pretty much wanted to end slavery because it had been ended in Europe - and thats it. And just like stupid socialists here today in the U.S. want us to change our economy and healthcare to socialist style "because thats how Europe does it" - the North wanted to change the Southern states. Mid 19th century virtual signallers. THey still hated black people. THey still believed they were inferior.

If you want to put your tinfoil hat on, you could even say that it was likely Northern business interests wanted to force Southern farm and plantation owners out of business so they could come into the South and take over, much like carpetbaggers did post war.

The Union. Slavery was a dying institution not worth the cost that the war inflicted on the country.

If it really was just about slaves the Union could've bought the slaves from the south and still would've saved money in comparison to the damage that was done by the war.

moral reasons i guess and if you want to be more logical, slavery was holding back the south from industrializing. and most in the north didn't even want to end slavery until the middle of the war, they just wanted to ban import of new slaves.

The south
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The union if you base the war on slaves.

The south if you base it on the idea of one person in an office miles away ive never seen before is going to tell me what's best for me

Although the south had a good point, we shouldn't have seceded and caused such a messy war. How black people got turned into the center of it I don't know. But the south isnt rural and backwards as it was. As far as competition with quality of life compared to up north, the south is equal at this point. We have some backwards people but we still have major cities.

One side was fighting to spread a Brazil type society across the territories.

The other was fighting for opening them to free white settlement.

Then neoconfederates blame Lincoln for stuff Woodrow Wilson did. I like both the modern South and Southerners better then Northerners (and I'm a Northerner) but their cause was awful.

Most citizens in the north didn't give a flying fuck about slavery in the first years of the year. Many people joined the army to make sure the union was preserved.

However, once the staggering death toll of the war kept rising and rising many people began to feel some higher purpose was needed to justify the cost.

Even so when Lincoln released the emancipation proclamation entire units in the Union army threw down their weapons and refused to fight for niggers.

Good post

The confederates imported millions of niggers into the USA and has been blaming the north for it ever since. So they were objectively in the wrong.

The Union jesus fucking christ what are you a bunch of civil disobedience SJW larpers?

The Union == rule of law
The Confederates == 19th C. SJW faggots

Sup Forums is the board of peace, and we are peaceful because we obey the law. If you can't recognize the basic distinctions behind that please never post here again. You are making us look like a bunch of Tumblr users.

The overwhelming majority of the Emancipation deserters were Irish.

The Confederacy wanted to leave to protect the constitutional rights of the states.

The Union would not allow it.

Hence why it is called the War of Northern Aggression in the South.

North was facing an economic depression which was crippling the old manufacturing industry which was making knockoffs of European things to support The Great War + War of 1812 (Ever heard the song "yankee doodle?").

South was loving the cheap currency and high demand for cotton following the war of 1812 and the rebuilding of Europe. Specifically the demand for produce & cereals which were transported down from the midwest to the Gulf.

Gulf shipping was crushing Northern export companies & banks who had to use white slaves for dock loading.

Knickerbockers backed "Honest Abe" with a meme that the North would tax the South to equalize the states.

Cotton Gin led to the decline of slave owners and layoffs at the plantations. Blacks started to migrate north which increased calls in North States for some form of subsidy.

South states refused to "bail out" or remit their taxes to the North to pay for the immigration.

South wanted to leave the union

Currency crisis and Wall St. refuse to allow them to separate.
> Same as Greece & Polish resistance to Immigrant welfare today

North refuses to let them leave the union

Post-war reparations to North are essentially a stealth Immigration tax

Lincoln promise of "the vote" is given to all blacks, which was not what Blacks were fighting for in the war. They were fighting for land and entitlements in the North (see, underground railway propaganda in national archives)
Reunification and depression lasted until 1850 when, thanks to depressed gold exchange rates and German imperialism, there was finally a demand for US heavy industry.

TLDR: War set USA domination back 100 years, killed half the country, blacks saw their quality of life impaired for 150 years because of a failed attempt to adopt unemployment insurance & land reform

Source: Fridman's economic history of the USA

Tbh the most logical solution that ever come from senate and congressional debates of the slavery issue before the civil war would've been; the plan to annex cuba and literally deport all the slaves to that one island so many fucking problems would've been solved right then and there. Someone that more keen to smaller details of history. Redpill me why did this plan fail and/or just never go through?

>deport all the slaves to that one island so many fucking problems would've been solved
Just like Haiti. All problems solved!

No. Jews from the north did

well think of it this way all your problems would've been on one island. So if they wanted to abort the problem they could've just cut the life line to cuba and let it go. So idk why it went through; i assume it had to due with the fact they would've had to go to war with spain at the time being a logical educated guess but idk if the republicans at time were against it etc. Maybe the plan/bill was veto'd, filibustered repeatedly. That's why im asking just wondering why they never went through with that instead of white men killing each other over people that were sold out by there We Wuz Kangz and shieet people.

the civil war actually made the US much stronger, it settled some deep structural issues with brutality and opened up the west for the next 50 years

the Confederacy. the union of states should be voluntary.

The south. The United States Constitution was based on the ability for states to leave the union if they wished, the union fought against that by starting a war over it.
The southern states wouldn't have been much of a country due to their poor industry but by the original agreement they were allowed to separate (and segregate) themselves.

good thing the war wasn't about slavery then

Look at how things are now, do you think it would have made a difference if the south won? I think both of them would have ended the same, as long as the Jews, chinks, and niggers stayed in the US.

In a way yes. But this is why i personally think the u.s's founding and country in general is mystic in nature cause generally when i country goes to war, a civil war none the less losses a good chunk of its population, destroy's its infrastructure, takes years to recover. Say the soviet union for example losing millions of people in war = bad. And we know this fucked them in long run during the cold war one of thee factors. So yea i can see what you mean but generally civil wars and killing off your own population isn't generally considered a good thing.

Oh user, the jews didnt exactly force those niggers on your gran pappie. He knew what he was doing.

check'd and agreed.

Ah, yes. The Civil War. America's second instance of the long American tradition of LET'S GO TO WAR FOR JUSTICE*!

(*Justice being fabricated claims of a ship being attacked, slavery, the bay of tonkin, weapons of mass destruction, osama bin laden etc etc etc when the real reason is that we just like to whip our dick out and make the rest of the world sniff it sometimes.)

America ended up liberating Cuba from Spain less than 30 years from the end of the civil war. Perhaps that was the ultimate goal? But the 14th amendment was already ratified. Then the commie revolution ruined it even more.

>implying there was more than one side during the confederate rebellion
It was a brief skirmish, O.P. Only a bit of excitement.

>muh slavery
Slavery was tangential. The Northern textile industry didn't like that the South was also exporting cotton to its British textile industry rivals, and used their overwhelming federal clout to restrict that trade, at the expense of the Southern economy. When the South understandably told the North to fuck off and left to govern themselves instead, the North turned to force.

Slavery only became a factor as a means to make the emancipation movement support the hawks. A small compromise when the goal was to make the entire population slaves of the Northern federalist elite.

>northern Jews buttmad because raw European capitalism created an economy in the south they couldn't control
>decide to take it over legally
>fail
>provoke northern europoors into an idealistic war by way of propaganda
>Jews win, take over southern economy and remove slavery
>frees niggers into non-slavery
>Jews realize that by allowing the thousands of niggers to populate the European population of America they have made it shittier
>realize by making niggers more and more equal they will shit it up even more
>add women into the mix and you have a totally and completely retarded degenerated society void of Christianity
>tfw the American civil war was the beginning of the Jews final moves to end the world

The Confederacy was the last breath of the America the founding fathers wanted. Autonomous states, decentralized government, free market, state nationalism, and ect. Slavery would've gone away on its own view free market(industrialized farming would've become more profitable).
Also reminder that the Confederate constitution is better then the one we have.

>the union fought against that by starting a war over it.
>wouldn't have been much of a country due to their poor industry
You can't honestly believe the North would've bothered if the South wasn't poised to overtake them industrially.

Look at the south even today, it's mostly pretty reliant on farming, not industry. Even during the war they assumed farming would give them an economic advantage, they never turned to industry. The only people with the money or education to create an industrial revolution in the south didn't give a shit about industry.

I have mixed feeling about what you're saying. I'm big on state's rights, but at the same time, undermining your the industry in your own country just to line your wallet seems rather seditious.

Legally, the South.
Logically, the Union. Bringing back the Articles with a fragmented decentralized power system would have never forged the country we have today. Remember that Germany due the HRE did not get their shit together until after the Civil War