The narrative:
>Russia directly interfered with the election to get Trump elected
>Russia hacked DNC emails and gave them to Wikileaks
>Wikileaks publishes them
>????
>Donald Trump Jr. met with some Russian lawyer from some oppo group (NOT ILLEGAL)
What did Russia have that Wikileaks didn’t already have?
Was the information legitimate in the end?
How does Don Jr. fit into Wikileaks releasing emails obtained by Russia and then publishing them?
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>What did Russia have that Wikileaks didn’t already have?
Russia didnt have what Wikileaks or Guccifer had until after it was released.
>Was the information legitimate in the end?
No. Its proof that some russian lied to get a meeting and dumbass Trump Jr fell for it like a chump.
>How does Don Jr. fit into Wikileaks releasing emails obtained by Russia and then publishing them?
He doesn't. Because Russia didn't obtain any emails from the DNC or Hillary. And wikileaks never got anything from the Russians.
Bullseye! Came here to say this
Well, I can't argue with those trips.
In fact, the fact they didn't have shit to tell him is proof the Russian narrative is a BS as ever
Practically speaking within the narrative, if Russia was responsible, and if Wikileaks published the emails, and if THAT publication was what ruined Hillary as the media says, realistically, what does the left have if Don Jr. left empty-handed? And if he did have something, he would have had to have been the one to give the emails to Wikileaks.
I just don't see Don Jr. fitting anywhere here, especially if nothing happened from that meeting.
Its a red herring.
The MSM, DNC and IC keep pushing for "collusion", except their problem is collusion require some sort of crime having happened.
Judging by their fucked up chain of evidence, no such crime ever occurred.
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His name was Seth Rich
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OK I need better info than NPR.
They're throwing around treason.
How is this not obvious evidence of him colluding with Russia?
I don't know what the fuck DJT Jr. is doing.
The last screenshot of the email chain that he posted (which contained the first email in the chain) specifically says that the Russian government wants to transmit sensitive information about Hillary through indirectly through intermediaries.
Perhaps they thought that was just bullshit but this whole time they have been playing dumb about whether or not Russia actually favored Trump to win.
Kinda glad he's being transparent though, because if this was the full extent of the Russia collusion then there isn't much there.
> colluding
colluding on what?
Russians didn't hack the DNC.
Actually... the email was sent by (((Andrew Goldstone))).
What if this was an elaborate attempt to frame the Trump campaign for colluding with Russians?
Was Don Jr. the one who hacked the DNC and gave Wikileaks the emails?
Remember--Russian hacking into the DNC was the reason why Hillary lost (among many other reasons...Comey, misogyny, a green frog...)
>Donald Trump Jr. met with some Russian lawyer from some oppo group (NOT ILLEGAL)
Right, arranging to meet with her under the premise that she would provide opposition research (goods or services of monetary value), is the illegal bit.
If he had just run into her into the street he would have been fine, but he substantially attempted to facilitate an illegal campaign contribution.
oops, (((Rob Goldstone)))
>illegal campaign contribution.
>opposition research
those aren't the same. literally no crime was committed there.
>I don't know what the fuck DJT Jr. is doing.
Releasing shit in a tweet that he knew was going to end up in public court records inevitably anyway through a warrant.
Better to get shit over with in a few days than a few months.
How did Russia make me vote for Trump?
Basically this.
It shows they were buddy buddy. Even if they weren't able to provide anything they said they had he met with them and tried to work with them.
>Left: Oy Vey!!! Lil Drumpf Jr. meet with Russians!!! No one can meet with non-Americans!!!
How many Israelis did Hillary and her campaign meet with?
>It shows they were buddy buddy
no law against being friends with Russians
>Here is what is wrong about Don Jr
Extra chromosome?
>those aren't the same
Under campaign finance law any "thing of value" can be an illegal campaign contribution and simply substantially aiding the transfer of them (or for the foreign entity, making the promise to transfer them) is illegal.
Unless your argument is that campaigns don't pay for opposition research, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
>Israelis
meeting with your master doesn't count you wattameloned ape
No press is bad press. Don Jr's profile has tripled since the media began making him sound like a diabolical genius who wants to lock up kiddie fuckers.
>How many Israelis did Hillary and her campaign meet with?
Dual citizenship.
>who wants to lock up kiddie fuckers
?
>thing of monetary value
and some can say sharing opposition research is freedom of speech under the 1st amendment. No court in the universe would consider that a campaign contribution.
Even IF that were true, nothing was exchange so no crime happened. You cant arrest someone for possession if they tried to buy weed and failed.
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I challenge any leftist reading to take me to task over this.
It is illegal to knowingly solicit contributions to a campaign by a foreign national. Since no money was involved, Jr. Is looking at facing a fine for the law he broke.
I highly doubt this will lead to anything more, otherwise Jr. wouldn't have released the emails.
>and some can say sharing opposition research is freedom of speech under the 1st amendment.
Just because there is freedom of speech doesn't mean speech is free.
There's freedom of guns and you sure as shit can't get those for free.
But nice try.
So this isn't about collusion, it's about campaign donations?
In fact, money IS speech and money is sure as shit regulated under election law.
FUCK YOU.
>a fine
5 years in federal prison. Finance law is serious business.
>Dual citizenship.
It is like (((they))) know their involved in something bad and want to leave the door open run home when they overstay their welcome.
>(((Them))): Oy Vey!!! We fucked up again and the goyim want to throw us into the oven for real this time!!! Thank God we have our dual citizenship to allow us to run back and hide in Israel.
Good thing he left empty-handed.
Someone promised Don Jr that the Russian lawyer was the Russian Edward Snowden with juicy info that would send Hillary to jail for treason.
I have no idea what you consider to be collusion. But yes, this is about conspiring to receive an illegal campaign donation.
>nice try
still waiting for the part were show that any court in the US ever considered "opposition research" a campaign contribution.
Sorry, pal, there is no law against sending emails or talking to people about politicians. If so then every foreign news outlet that said a bad thing about Trump was colluding with the Clinton campaign and the Clinton campaign is guilty of illegal contributions.
Yes and no. The law he arguably broke is about campaign donations. Whether it really amounts to collusion is unknown and needs more research since there is no evidence to support It's full relationship to Russia and any other contacts.
This sounds like a separate incident when compared to the scadanal at large.
So it's NOT about Russian collusion to beat Hillary Clinton by hacking her emails
>a green frog
Yeah, don't take credit where it isn't due.
>Good thing he left empty-handed.
1. We don't know that
2. Simply substantial involvement in the potential exchange is illegal. He agreed to set up a meeting and further involved 2 high level campaign officials. That's substantial involvement.
It's actually the exact same crime. The law doesn't differentiate between attempts and successes.
but guys Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails, duh
#SethRich
The specific section of the US Code (52 SS 30121) he broke is not listed as one of the parts that , when broken, would throw him in jail. He's looking at a fine.
he didn't and wasn't involved in any criminal activity
its just more bullshit "connect the dots" nothingburger
Everybody knows it was who Barron hacked the election
Don Jr. did nothing wrong buddy.
Is collusion illegal? Is not reporting it and trying to hide it illegal?
is Don jr actually fucked?
>and gave them to Wikileaks
There is zero evidence of this. It started as speculation by the Clinton campaign (Podesta and that dweeb specifically). It was later repeated by CNN. WaPo and NYT cited CNN as a source, but see above. Now Reuters and everyone else are going along with it.
This kind of thing happens all the time in the news. Remember Snopes used to debunk urban legends?
Thanks for providing a degree of intelligent discourse in this otherwise vapid thread.
point to any definition of
>anything of value
that includes information or data
>still waiting for the part were show that any court in the US ever considered "opposition research" a campaign contribution.
There is precedent that campaign materials be considered campaign contributions in the form of limits on air time (equal time rule). Opposition research is very obviously a campaign material.
en.wikipedia.org
Trips of truth
This hasn't been connected to the hacking yet.
Not saying it won't be.
DJT will disavow him and call him a loser publicly
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Someone please tell me if I got this right
>Donald running for president
>old friend sets up meeting with Donald Jr. saying the Russians want to help DJT and this person has dirt on Hillary
>show up
>"dirt on Hillary" was a ruse to get a meeting about a different issue
>meeting adjourned
>no Russian help
>DJT goes on to win election without help from the Russians
So perhaps Donald Jr. broke a law by soliciting a foreign national for information that would influence an election, but now it is shown that Russia did not directly collude with the Trump campaign (even though his son was willing to)?
So DJT won the election without Russia's help?
collusion with a foreign government to subvert the election seems like something that could be not-legal.
No he broke the law when he didn't inform anyone or make a record of it.
>that includes information or data
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pronoun
>used to refer to a thing, no matter what.
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1.
the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
"your support is of great value"
synonyms: worth, usefulness, advantage, benefit, gain, profit, good, help, merit, helpfulness, avail; More
>the material or monetary worth of something.
"prints seldom rise in value"
synonyms: price, cost, worth; More
the worth of something compared to the price paid or asked for it.
"at $12.50 the book is a good value"
How could it be connected?
Russia was the one that hacked the DNC not Don Jr. Russia gave Wikileaks the emails. Not Don Jr.
What does Don Jr. have to do with any of this?
>en.wikipedia.org
nothing there
> campaign materials be considered campaign contributions
information is not campaign materials either.
your just trying to make a definition that doesn't exist.
saying words in public or private is not a contribution.
Its protected speech.
It's over.
which statute or case ruling did that definition come from?
becuz i know you didnt just try to apply a merriam-webster definition of common usage words and not actual legal terms.
>information is not campaign materials either.
I'm not entirely sure you understand how campaigns work.
Cause it's literally 90% gathering modeling and spreading information.
>it is a crime to talk to a foreigner
>this is what fake news is pushing now
OK let it go... Drumpf is finished, its been fun watching you trumpets, but do you really think America is going to tolerate a sexist, misogynist, racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti immigration leader? Sorry but Drumpf is finished..
Because it's just some random email talking about shit, not evidence that any shit actually happened or was happening. Is there any confirmation that shit was happening that Don Jr acknowledged?
Now I understand why the US is dumbing people down.
>Saudi Arabia, Canada, Most of Europe and a shitload of foreign nations say Hillary is the better choice
>somehow Russia secretly wanted Trump to win, this is what's bad
>becuz i know you didnt just try to apply a merriam-webster definition of common usage words and not actual legal terms.
I absolutely did because "thing of value" isn't defined in the law and even if it were the things that defined it wouldn't be legal terms, or the things that defined those wouldn't be legal terms or so on and so forth.
But seriously, it's not defined, I checked.
And it was google define search results.
Saying she's a better choice and spending resources to prove it in the USA aren't the same thing.
>spreading information
this is still not campaign contribution.
you don't understand the meaning of the term "campaign contribution"
Yes I do. It's money or other thing of value contributed to impact an election.
Good thing he left empty handed.
Reminder that Comey basically set the precedent that now you have to prove intent in any case going forward for shit like this.
This means that someone has to prove that DTJ had the intent to collude (which will never happen).
There's also the fact that the supposed "Russian Government Lawyer" apparently lied about her status and has nothing to do with the Russian Government. Which means that there was literally no crime which took place as the only thing which would even be remotely criminal is the fact that this 'lawyer' was part of the Kremlin, which by all accounts so far, she doesn't.
Long story short, nothing will happen and we can enjoy 8 more years of Trump.
They will be blogging and tweeting about Russia until they are dead.
It's all a campaign to delegitimize his victory over a candidate with a ton of baggage.
They will NEVER admit Hillary did anything wrong.
gee. where is judge to turn then in your hypothetical case?
maybe Kentucky and Ohio state definitions of campaign contribution?
I checked. Informational and educational products are not included in that definition AND are specifically excluded.
definitions.uslegal.com
What does the supreme court say about how far the 1st amendment goes to protect freedom for speech? Sounds like strict scrutiny applies here.
nytimes.com
Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, which was co-founded by a Saudi prince.
Donald Trump and his offspring make a strong case against the heritability of IQ
Time for archive
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Free speech is not a campaign contribution.
>This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump
Nobody answered my question.
How does Don Jr fit into Russia hacking the election?
>Good thing he left empty handed.
The law makes no distinction between receiving and attempting to receive.
I have already fucking told you this.
Tell where in any case law or statute supports the idea that a Russian using free speech and telling the public things about Hillary is regulated by Campaign Finance laws.
HINT: Its not.
oppo research that wasn't received from a woman who wasn't working for the russian government is nothing, sweetie.
oppo research that wasn't received from a woman who wasn't working for the russian government is nothing, sweetie.
You have been BTFO already, and it began when you moved goalposts from "Don Jr hacked the DNC with Russia" to "this is a campaign donation" which is a speeding ticket in the grand scheme of things.
The only thing your trying to do is criminal free speech by claiming its a "contribution" and therefore regulated.
Citizens United vs FEC already shot that shit down. Your a little late to the party.
By releasing true information about Hillary you clown! If all the information about how crooked she is didn't get to the public, no one would've known and she would be president now.
The left will spin their wheels about it- but if anything they are just gonna trace the Russian lady and the set up for this to the left.
Can you answer this please
You see, what your calling "contributions" is actually defined as "electioneering communications" which is a 1st amendment right not subject to the FEC.
Conspiring with a foreign adversary to influence or undermine an election is illegal. Trump Jr. attended the meeting on the assumption that he would receive damaging information on Clinton via the Russian government. That's conspiracy to commit election fraud :^)
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>where is judge to turn then in your hypothetical case?
Federal court.
>g. a gift, tangible good, chattel, or an interest in a gift, tangible good, or chattel;
oppo research
It doesn't include informational, educational, or promotional items, but who is to say that includes oppo research? That sounds more like brochures and shit.
gold
it's already happening.