/NatSoc/ vs /AnCap/

Haven't had a thread on this for long so let's see if the 50/50 distribution is still true
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Implying Hitler was wrong

>Physical removal
>non-agression
Pick one.

what? the whole purpose is that who's violated the NAP has no rights anymore

Tax imports to pay for common military defense. Figure the rest out for yourself fags
t. Ancap

Hoppean mongs have got to be the most annoying idiots on this board.
>Lmao killing anyone we don't agree with is still libertarian guys, individualism above all!
literally kys. Anybody who subscribes to this for longer than 2 months without becoming fascist is mentally incapable.

Any form of anarchy would never even theoretically work tho. You need a state and government to maintain the people from becoming radicals and to protect your anarchy society from just being annexed by an established state.

Typical plebeian comment by someone who cannot understand nuance and the difference between killing and physically removing.

You would allow any other retard to decide when your right to due process ends? Even after all these SJW types claim that hate speech is an act of violence?

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>Cannot understand nuance
Thinking about ancap practically for 15 minutes makes it clear to anyone that it would lead to a dystopian hellhole.

>Lmao killing anyone we don't agree with is still libertarian guys, individualism above all!

That's fucking retarded misinterpretation of Hoppean libertarianism and says very little about your understanding of it, kind of disqualifies you to call anyone mong or idiot.

Arguing is acknowledgement of self ownership, we try to convince others, ergo we acknowledge they have control over themselves. People who don't try to argue or convince are nothing but animals.

Disagreements have two methods of resolution, agree to disagree, or reject self ownership of the person who disagrees with you.

We would only kill the second group, the ones who don't recognize our self ownership.

Friendly reminder.

Yea bro, pure natsoc is also shit

It's about what you are rather leaning towards to

And yet tomes have been written about it, and everyday anarchy is something we all practice.

>Ayn Rand
Disregarded. Looney cult leader

>von Mises
>fought in WW1 for Austria-Hungary
>was involved with the Austro-fascists
>thought fascism saved Europe at the time

>Murray Rothbard
>race realist
>Holocaust revisionist
>"the overriding goal of WW2 was to kill as many Germans as possible"
>against civil "rights"
>supported David Duke
>supported Pat Buchanan

>Milton Friedman
Disregarded also. Monetarist and libertarian-lite.

Now fuck off.

Funny, considering Israel is a natsoc country.

Only part of your ideology that does not appeal massively to kikes is the killing kikes part. The rest? They fucking love it.

Anarchic capitalism is a contradiction in terms. Without the legal framework to enforce NAP, the invisible hand of Adam Smith directs one to grab a rock, smash the trader's skull in, and take all their shit.

Anarcho-capitalism is just Corporatism with a fancy flag. Of course, you're the retards against net neutrality.

>I don't understand the concept of property rights

>Israel is a NatSoc country
Fuck off larping retard

>t. larper

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Sure thing brown American shill

If you like leaving form half of Europe (Germany included) for Turanian hordes, and disintegration of colonial empires by chinise jews indeed he wasn't.

>Implying your utopia could exist in the real world

You guys are about on the same autism level as commies.

where would a nationalist fit? I don't like nazis because of the whole war and holocaust thing (inb4 it never happened), but I hate foreigners and agree on race theory.
I tend to view myself as closer to nazis, because lolbergs are pretty stupid in my experience

If someone doesn't beleive in private property, is it morally ok to steal from them?

What is so confusing here. If someone isn't agressing on you, you don't agress on them. Before you ask "what if they believe things I don't like. Can I give a chopper ride then" the answer is no. Hurt fee fees does not mean agression.

Rights that are granted to you by the government as a result of a social consensus and historical genesis

Lolbertarians will get the rope

Ancaps are basically people who want to be degenerate consumers and shoot anyone who interrupts them.

Essentially, think of some faggot who wants to download CP and somehow also get away with unloading mags at the men forming a tactical line down his apartment hallway.

Your Brawndo drink won't last forever.

If they don't believe in private property, they don't own any, and therefore it's not stealing in the first place.

>anclaps getting crushed under the iron heel of fascism as usual
Good.

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And the preceed to be shot by everyone else in town.

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I had to read this twice to understand lol

Communist rape!

War and the holocaust are irrelevant, the war happened and the holocaust (didn't) happen long ago for reasons that existed at the time. The goal of a modern National Socialist is not to start a war (or get attacked by) Britian. Being a Hellenic/Greek nationalist doesn't mean you want to go to war with Iran just because Thermopylae happened.

As far as the jew gassing, you kinda just have to hop on board or go fuck off with Sargon and friends.

How is that a contradiction in terms? It's literally saying nothing other than a capitalistic society without government.

You can enforce your own NAP by hiring a security firm to protect you, or just protect yourself if you dont want to pay for it.

Says the guy arguing to take them away on an basis of political alignment.

>Rights are gifts from government
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read. And I've been on Sup Forums for a while...

Relevant

youtube.com/watch?v=Fmy8UyvKvYE

Can't wait to give AnCaps their paradise by sending them all into the woods with no food or water.

Your own security firm can easily betray you and work for someone else, or perhaps form a union, which in itself is a form of government. What's to stop the outside world from forming a government and ganging up on you? In fact, that's what's gonna happen if you have something others want.

>muh economic distribution system is the highest value
Centrists are worse than hardline tankies.

but that would violate the NAP

Now reconcile that poll with this one

What the fuck is this commie shit?

I used to prefer Natsoc, but a trend that I've been seeing growing on Sup Forums and in "alt right" videos/podcasts and stuff is the notion that non-whites that follow ideologies similar to Natsoc are superior to whites that don't follow Natsoc, people saying that non-whites that follow ideologies similar to Natsoc should integrate with a white Natsoc ethno-state, or even that saying that non-whites that follow ideologies similar to Natsoc are "more white" than whites that don't follow Natsoc. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, TRS! Sup Forums also has this problem. The point is to put white interests and the white race first. Not LARP as Nazis and go full multiculti as long as they have a similar governmental ideology to yours, faggots. It pains me to have to say that I disavow the current Natsoc movement as being degenerate and increasingly anti-white.

Nobody would care.

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So you're saying Ancap is doomed to subversion by communism or any other strong ideology? I see.

>Your own security firm can easily betray you and work for someone else

Would you sign contracts that didn't acknowledge the possibility of this scenario?

Some people do need governments, if you're so dumb that you would get an insurance without provisions and potential enforcement of such provisions you certainly need a state taking care over you.

That's why ancaps also promote private cities, so you don't have to think about anything but paying the fees of the city.

Everything you mentioned completely defeats the purpose of ANARCHO-capitalism.

Those are civic nationalist cucks not natsoc. I'd lump them in with the alt-lite.

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Anarchy etymologically means no archon, which means no forced ruler, the term archon was not used on voluntary relationship, it was exclusively used to describe magistrates of ancient Greece city states.

So you're wrong. There's nothing incompatible about what I described with anarcho capitalis.

Besides, I dont give a fuck how you call it, private property society, polycentric law society, ancap, all describe the same dynamics, which is voluntary interactions between individuals.

communists aren't people you statist fucktard

>implying that the mere existance of commies means meltdown.

Seriously.

Firstly, TRS is trash.

Secondly anyone talking like that misses the point of National Socialism. National Socialism first and foremost is about preserving and elevating the folk, the kin, the race, to their highest form. Once you ditch that concept, your faux-fascist trappings do not make you a National Socialist anymore than Sid Vicious was for wearing a swastika t-shirt. You become pathetic, a role play.
That said, there are low quality whites who simply are beyond saving. Once people engage in certain activities there is no regaining the soul and spirit, and they must be cut loose.

I can appreciate the ideology of certain other races but ultimately I don't want them because helping them doesn't matter to a National Socialist.
Anyone who doesn't understand this hasn't read even the core NatSoc Literature.

>Communism
>Strong

Yeah son, those starving soldiers and those outdated guns will sure wreck a wealthy society. Many such cases.

Any and ANY form of anarchism is retarded.

TRS leadership (particularly TDS) and the people close to them are civic nationalists? Hell, even tangentially related groups like the Traditionalist Worker Party are buying into it now. As an example of this recent behavior, look at their reactions to the Poland speech. They all highly condemned it and condemned the Polish despite the Polish being massively white, massively pro-white, massively anti-degeneracy, and massively traditionalist. Why did they condemn the Polish and the rest of the Visegrad group then? Simply because they hate Russian Communism and the Nazi occupation. Meanwhile they have the utmost respect for the governmental systems of North Korea and Syria, two places with high levels of anti-white sentiment just because they have some overlap with Natsoc in their governments.

Sup Forums has and always will be a libertarian / ancap board

stormweenies and other crypto commie statist faggots need to go back to leftypol

many such cases like Vietnam

>Sup Forums will always be anclap
>Meanwhile anclaps are getting their asses handed to them.
kek

Why is this not "Hippity Hoppity, get the fuck of my property?"

cry more faggot

Vietnam hardly wrecked the US, it just defended against an invasion, but thanks for defending my point, not even a large army could successfully invade a raw-rice-munching country.

Imagine the same but against a rival with proper guns and funds to get a nuclear weapon with a single call for crowdfunding.

Only Euroneetsocs voting at these hours.

Recent poll with more thank 5k votes: strawpoll.me/12581497/r

Anglo hyper-narcissistic philosophy won't help you with that one asshole, rights emerge when a social body takes form and needs organization to its members, what's so hard to understand about that ?

I wanna see this poll except with nationalist capitalism as an option. I can never tell just how many Natsocs are just in it for the ethnonationalism, and how many are actually economically illiterate.

>5k votes on a Sup Forums strawpoll
nigga, this was two autists fighting with botnets.

As opposed to ancaps and libertarians who are only economically illiterate with no other redeemable qualities ?

((((ancapism))))) is the ultimate form of degeneracy. Its basically about legalizing pedophilia, drugs, etc.

The whole concept of private property can't exist in an anarchy.

The true answer

The anti natsoc posting is coming in hot and heavy tonight.

>looney cult leader.
Crypto leftist detected. She was the greatest of those 4

Yes let's disregard the entire völkisch nature of the movement.

>She was the greatest of those 4
I'm not even an anclap and that's painfully wrong.

She wasn't an AnCap she all but debunke Anarchism in favor of Minarchism.
Objectivism is the single greatest Political and philosophical system ever devised.
I can address every criticism you'd care to make. I have answers for all the popular ones and even ones I made myself steppin into a commies shoes for a moment.

>implying you can create a commie state by running and hiding.

Deputy Commissioner of the Commission on Human Rights and Administrative Justice (CHRAJ) has stated that human rights are not gifts presented to individuals by governments.
'Human rights are rather the expression of human dignity, which every Ghanaian must strive to protect and ensure its promotion,' he said at the closing of a two-day workshop at Sekondi on Tuesday. The workshop was on: 93Monitoring the Human Rights Situations' and was organised for Non-Governmental Organisations in the Western Region.
He said for individuals to secure their rights, conscious efforts must be made to pursue choices in a safe environment where freedom of speech, association, right to property and opinion are respected. Mr Quayson said child trafficking, prostitution, illicit drugs, environmental degradation, corruption and tribal conflicts were new challenges hindering the promotion and protection of people's rights. He said there should be no trade-off between human rights and development. 93It is only through the promotion and protection of human rights for all persons that we can effectively achieve human security and promote peace, stability and development of the society," he cautioned.
He said NGOs must partner CHRAJ in promoting and improving on the human rights situation in the country, by reporting and assisting victims of human rights abuse to get help.
Mrs Chris Dadzie, Director of Public Education at CHRAJ said regular education and monitoring of human rights abuses by NGOs would assist to dispel myths and help victims to tell their stories. She said NGOs must collect, compare and report human rights abuses wherever it occurs.
Miss Lilian Ayete-Nyampong, Deputy Director of Public Education at CHRAJ said NGOs must not neglect child labour issues in their respective communities.
She said children's rights are human rights and all adults must work hard to safeguard them from exploitation, deprivation and abuse.

What I'm getting from this thread is that AnCap is degenerate.

NatSoc is better but unachieveable in this day and age. It's better to lean towards freedom and keep cultural marxists away from state positions.

And of course kill the welfare state, you can't have open borders and welfare at the same time if you want stability.

>NatSoc is better but unachieveable in this day and age
Not with defeatists like you. The NSDAP thought the same thing in the 20's.
youtube.com/watch?v=IPGPsgDTW6k

We could install a NatSoc gov in europe, but no way in hell are we gonna make it happen legally, most constitutions and laws in euro countries are specifically forbidding such political action. Only way we can get it is by toppling our current governments and quite probably through civil war. Are you volkisch enough to murder your brothers and sisters over politics?

Don't kid yourself even the army and police wouldn't protect these corrupt goverments.

>ancap world created
>apartment complex 12 decides they need to guard their entrance to make sure thieves and criminals don't sneak in
>it's a full-time job to guard the entrances
>everyone have to pitch in to pay for it if they want to live there
>electricity keeps shutting off
>local electrician decides he can help maintain it vs a fee
>everyone have to pitch in to pay his salary if they want to live there
>neighbouring apartment complex sees the greatness that is building 12
>asks to be allowed to join in
>on it goes
at what point does it cease to be an ancap society and instead just a very small country?

>implying there is electricity in anarchy

That picture made my day.

Their allegiance lies in the government which gives them their daily bread and they will not betray it unless they are sure the government is losing.

Yeah, that's the point. We began in anarchy and evolved to where we are now out of necessity and basic needs. If an anarchist society is created, then it evolves (anarchists would say "degenerates") into a de facto state again anyway.

But you can't expect AnCaps to thing critically.

true, is anarchism just a reset button?

it would literally just take a day until what basically constitutes tiny countries would emerge.

It's entirely unapplicable in modern times because either a foreign country will invade or there will be a civil war in which the victor will establish a new goverment.

>>Murray Rothbard
>>race realist
>>Holocaust revisionist

Wrong.

If somebody doesn't believe in human rights is it ok to murder and do sick shit to them.