We know better than the doctors meme

>we know better than the doctors meme

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They grafted a penis onto his nose

It doesn't matter if the doctor is right or wrong, the parents should have the opportunity to pull their own child, whom they are responsible for, out to receive treatment elsewhere if possible. The fact that you actually accept this just shows you how fucking disgusting statism gets.

If you are given a rotten sandwich.
In that sandwich there is a bacteria that will kill you if you ingest it.
The state knows that you are about to kill yourself and has the power to stop you.
They act on it, not to lose another debt slave.

It's just the other way around.
Except that the sandwich is a baby and the bacteria already damaged the baby in a way that he/she will never recover.
Poor thing suffers every second it lives/lived.
The experimental treatment wouldn't have helped at this point.

You do whatever dude.
But if we lived outside of that ultra sanitazed world the baby would have been dead for a long ass time already.
But hey now, natural selection is for animals only.

I and most everyone has a huge amount of faith in doctors (even though are human and can make mistakes), however when the choice is between slim and nothing. I'll take slim chance every time.

When you're dead, you're dead.

>trusting the state with powers of life and death over your children
just trust the experts and obey!

op you are a natural tool

>I and most everyone has a huge amount of faith in doctors
modern day witch doctors, half the time they don't know what the hell is wrong with you but they're taught to project total confidence at all times to fool you. most of the drugs merely treat symptoms to maximize profit. every medical school founded and funded by...

you know what, never mind. just trust your doctor. he has to do what he's told to keep his job, he'd get fired if he warned you about vaccines or didn't prescribe enough anti-depressants to children. but yeah, you can trust him

Kid was diagnosed with a terminal illness. A hospital in America said that they had an experimental treatment that they admitted that had a next to 0% chance of working. Parents wanted to try anyway. People donated enough money to have the kid and family transported to the states and have the treatment. The hospital didn't allow it, so the family went to the courts. The courts ruled that the hospital had to take the kid off of life support and let him die. They went to the EU court, and they agreed. The parents wanted to take the kid home to spend his last days with the family, and the hospital refused, and said that the kid had to be killed at the hospital, and the family was not allowed to be near him without hospital staff monitoring them, in case they tried to save him.

Basically just another average day for socialized medicine.

How do we develop cures for illnesses if we aren't allowed to try treatments on them? Even though the kid would definitely die anyway, at least the parents would know that his brief life had value, and might help to develop a cure to save other kids.

Opinions on medicine from americans is super kooky

There is no slim chance for him

Yeah, better to just murder the baby than try a super kooky remedy. It isn't like the USA is the most innovative country in the study of biology and medicine, and the country that most cures for diseases come from these days.

He has encephalitis, his data would be basically useless

Yeah, because the results of an experimental treatment would be absolutely useless.

>10%

>every time the anti-vaxers get momentum, measles, a disease that was supposedly eradicated from the US decades ago, breaks out, and somehow effects vaccinated kids

A single result on a child with other problems, yes.
It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the scientists that proposed that cure. They can't do shit with him

>meanwhile, the death sentence for human trash is illegal

>never realizing that the point wasn't about whether it was okay to euthanize but whether the state could just say fuck you and kill your kid against your will
Goddamn bootlickers in this thread

As a doctor, I find your bullshit ridiculous. I rarely prescribe antidepressants. 99% if the time I know what's going on, and the 1% of the time I don't I refer to the guy that I'm pretty sure does. 99% of meds I prescribe cost less than ten bucks, it's all generic shit for the most part. And vaccines fucking work. They may kill one out of 100k people, but the diseases that stop would kill or disable a hundred times as many.

We never eradicated measles from anywhere
And the problem is that they infect the children that can't be vaccinated because they have cancer and shit
The anti-vax movement is the perfect false flag to discredit opposition, like chemtrails

Educate yourselves lads. This isn't just some State v Parents battle, there is no way the extensive brain damage the poor kid has suffered is reversible, even the US doctor offering this highly experimental procedure (actually a food supplement which surprised me) admits that this is only to possibly combat the mitochondrial depletion syndrome, he's not offering anything more.

gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

Ironically if this was the US, he'd have died already, our evil socialist NHS has spent around $10m so far on the poor kid.

So what do you think of this situation? Is it better to just kill the kid, or try any desperate measure to try to do something, even if the chance of a cure is nonexistent?

Is this guy right about there being no value from trying an experimental treatment, if only to gather data for treating other kids with symptoms that haven't progressed as much?

You are not every doc though. There are lot of really shitty ones out there, especially since the West started to import a shitton of poo in loos for their hospitals.

>have to do a routine checkup for my health insurance
>doc says my creatinine values are way too high, my kidney is dying
>tell him that my kidney is fine, I'm just doing a lot of sport
>says he wants to do more tests anyway
>still agreed with him at that point, he did have to check to make sure if he was right or wrong
>4 tests later I just stopped going there because he literally refused to accept that I was right and that all those tests coming back negative meant that my kidneys are fine

parents that abuse and cause undue sufferring to their children have their children taken away

this is no different

the parents are unfit to decide or stop the childs suffering

>99% if the time I know what's going on
doctors do not have a 99% successful diagnosis rate, youa re full of shit and likely believe your own lies due to the mental conditioning you recieved while being brainwashed in med school

and yes vaccines work, in principle. but what else is in those vaccines isn't something you were taught in school. the true rates of vaccine induced illness and retardation are being kept from you.

meanwhile when the vaccine court in the us (which you've probably never heard of) pays out a settlement, it comes from taxpayer money and the drug companies don't have to pay a dime. pretty suspicious.

you are human garbage and i hate you

Why not let them try the treatment. If it does anything to help with the mitochondrial depletion syndrome, isn't that valuable data to have, in order to help other kids?

>Ironically if this was the US, he'd have died already, our evil socialist NHS has spent around $10m so far on the poor kid.

That's not how it works. You are believing the propaganda that your socialist overlords pump out to keep you paying for your system that doesn't even let you choose the treatment for your own children.

>>we know better than the doctors meme

I can't imagine there is a more useless sector of society than doctors and medical personnel

anyone who can't exist without free government money needs the axe, this includes the entire medical profession

I thought that the doctors were thinking that yeah, the treatment may or may not work and stop any further degradation, but that the brain damage was already done, even if it works on the disease causing it, he's a vegetable, permanently.

And so to them it's unethical to prolong what could be seen as a life of suffering.

>Why not let them try the treatment.

why not tar and feather the corporate scumbags charging that much money for plastic and research

ah yes, but the evil corrupt state is totally fit to make those decisions

children don't belong to parents, they belong to the community!

fuck off

>Parents who choose to try desperate measures to save their children rather than let the state kill them are unfit parents.

何?

The encephalitis is not a symptom of his syndrome, but only an accessory thing that would fuck up every treatment and data
They aren't even convinced of the theoretical base of their treatment, and that child is a very shitty test subject because he developed a ton of non-curable problems
Like in Africa?
This wouldn't save him, for sure

I still don't get why they don't at least try the treatment, though. How the hell are cures supposed to be developed if we don't just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? I'm not saying that they should use him as a vegetable test subject for his whole life, but let them try something.

Give your head a rattle. Generally what can be done to help children with abusive or unwell parents, other than the various Child Protection organisations and charities that our developed countries have?

Aw dude the EU knows better than you they're experts better just accept another 10 million Muslim refugees lmao

>have best medical health care in the world
>highest standards
>tons of breakthroughs
>still get made fun of by eurostan
>they think that because they barely cover everyone they are "better"
>migrants get priority

Keep talking faggot

>also captcha knows

It would help a lot if you'd just admit you're a nation of depressed, rained-on nhilists who like to kill whites.

Okay, but it still seems beyond fucked up that they wouldn't respect the parent's wishes and just let them try. These aren't decisions that a government should be making.

Because that's not how the law works, dingbat.

gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

>Even if the treatment does not work for Charlie, won’t it help other children in the future?
>The courts base their decisions for treatment on what is in Charlie’s best interests, not what is in the best interests of medical science

Unless you're planning on proposing new legislation that considers the societal gain of also considering experimentation.

Where do you think your governments buy your medicine from?

Because you can't develop a theory and test it on humans this way
You first need to prove the basic of the theory on animals, then try to apply it to humans
this is another thing, and I'm far more conflicted on this

>thinking doctors know shit
lol go home ahmed of londonistan

>How do we develop cures for illnesses if we aren't allowed to try treatments on them?

Why do you think we haven't "cured" cancer yet?
In the early days of chemotherapy doctors were allowed a large amount of leeway in experimenting on human subjects, nowadays this would be unthinkable.
Now everything is too bureaucratic, very little place for experimentation (coincidentally very little advancements).
MAybe this is not the only cause, but it's probably a big factor why medical advancements have sort of stopped.

You have fucking stupid laws, then. Why is a court deciding what to do with a child's medical care instead of the parents? No wonder the UK and EU have contributed next to nothing to medical research in the last 20 years compared to most rich countries.

>I'm mad at the medical profession because i dont have healthcare
No problem lad

This sounds suspicious as fuck.

Meanwhile in Canada it is now illegal not to support your 8 year olds "gender transition" and you get your kids taken away.

Granted I do sympathize with your argument, and there is a neccessity for some kind of child protection program. Unfortunatly the government is evil and they take things too far in order to serve their dark lord.

We live under a satanist government so I'm not too keen on supporting that.

if the baby was black they would have helped it

>the baby is suffering
>dear God make it stop

You know if the little bugger is brain dead
he isnt suffering right?

You so realize if his brain is off and he is
in a coma he isnt in pain or suffering right?

You do realize this treatment, even if very
far fetched, is going to hurt no one right?

you do realize the people being unethical
is the state, resigning this kid to fucking die
in some state run facility, rather than a home, right?

Thank God im a fucking burger

Exactly fucking this. Even if you agree that the hospital should kill the kid, are you sure you want to let your government have this kind of power. What else will they decide is child abuse next? Do you really want to have the government forcing you to let your 4 year old have his dick lopped off because his preschool teacher saw him playing with a doll?

Because "plastic and research" takes decades of armies of PhDs dedicating their lives work to a treatment. People who study into their 30s get to make good money, faggot.

Right? I'm always on the verge of being convinced that the European/Canadian healthcare system makes sense, and then shit like this comes out.

It's the parents decision on what they do with their child.

If it's going to die anyway, then what harm is there in going through with the experimental treatment? It stops the parents from having to live for the rest of their lives wondering if their child could've been saved.

the main problem wasn't that they turned off the machines for a child that was pretty much dead anyway, but that they more or less said that the child is their property and that they can overrule the parents on decisions made with regards to their child at any time. to the extent of "killing" it.

You haven't even read the basics of this case if you think he's what a doctor would call "brain dead" or think him dying at home is even an option. A state being unethical wouldn't have put $10m into looking after him.

>I'm always on the verge of being convinced that the European/Canadian healthcare system makes sense

How do you get past the part where European/Canadian healthcare systems get to benefit from the medical technology breakthroughs our system makes thanks to the incentives that insurance costs provide for medical scientists?

Also, outside of this extreme case, you lads are being conned.

You already spend more than most countries, per person, in taxes on public healthcare. But then you are also expected to pay a private corporation for insurance which might not cover everything you suffer, and generally seems to be ranked average amongst other developing nations. Seems a shame that can't be made into a better, cheaper system for all of you.

>have best medical healthcare in the world
>people in the US regularly go bankrupt because of how much it costs

""best""

Why do you selectively listen to libcuck propaganda?

>anyone who can't exist without free government money needs the axe
So this kid?

>quality of healthcare and cost of healthcare are the same thing

>read my post nigger
(You) and cuba have a 100% health care coverage
[You] and cuba's health care is expensive and sub par

>people go bankrupt

yes, maybe if you tried to pay what
it costs here as you libs have a tax
rate far higher than we do.

Do you know how many Canadians and other Europeans come all the way to America for their health care needs?

just go by this rule of thumb

>does it use the free market to reduce prices?
its a good thing
> are there forces that force people or buy into a retarded bureaucracy that will only make things more expensive?
its not good.

There are stories that people are waiting so long for care in canada their condition worsens to a point where, if it had been treated earlier, everything would have been fine.

Have you ever wondered why the VA hospial system blows and eveyone wants to reform it never does?
its because its intrinsically fucked due to the fact its socialized

We spend half as much per capita (through taxation) as the US does in (insurance premiums + medicaid).

It does make sense.
Porkies are desperately trying to convince you otherwise because it means higher taxes for them.

thats because we have so many non-working niggers on medicare and premiums are the highest they have ever been due to OBONGO care

sorry, I cant hear you over all the canuks and euros in our hospitals, either escaping the awful care or coming for better wages

UK unemployment rate (Oct 2016): 4.8%
US unemployment rate (Oct 2016): 4.8%

If only they had a nationalised health service and not some gimmicky insurance deal.

If that's the case why are Americans going abroad more often for medical care than anyone else?

t. my ass

>I can't imagine there is a more useless sector of society than doctors and medical personnel

Wow user that's one of the most retarded things I've ever seen said here.

What a disgusting violation of parental private property rights.

This is why hell is needed.

Is this picture a fucking joke?
Who made this?

thats 3 million+ people unemployed for UK

and 15 million+ for US

I have no idea about the story nor do I care about searching it up, so I'll only state that letting an infant die quickly like that ends up in far less suffering and is not only natural but a dutiful choice in some cases.

No it isn't, you dumb fucking nigger.

>doctors nowadays are mostly competent

I'd agree in most situations. But I don't think it should be up to me to decide. Or the state. It should be up to the parents to be satisfied that everything that could be done for their child has been done. THEY are the ones with their child's best interest in mind.

The kid will die as soon as you disconnect him from the machines so there's no taking him home.

The kid would die as soon as he was disconnected. The parents are retards that insisted on attempting the impossible.

bamperu

This for me was the last straw. I m done with europe, socalism etc. Every man for himself, if you cant pay you die. But the state ordering the killing of a baby? No ehe no. All these braindead leftist defending this. Statism is a disease

Fuck the entire medical profession! Yeah! Fuck doctors and shit!