Why is it that Communism has been tried multiple times and failed each and every one of them...

Why is it that Communism has been tried multiple times and failed each and every one of them, and yet there are those still trying it,
when Fascism has been tried literally once and didn't "fail", simply had its enforcing government lose a war?

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>Fascism has been tried literally once

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The RED STAR seeks to eliminate private ownership replaced by state ownership ruled by the same banking elite at the top. They do this by using economic warfare carefully throttling the money supply. There is not enough money, services, resources, and materials to go around.
The state has subsidized; energy, agriculture and food production, industrial mining, industrial manufacturing, industrial finance and now industrial health care.
You have no clue the world you are about to wake up in.

Franco didnt fail Hitler didnt fail Mussolini didnt fail survivors from that time if free from enemy persecution could soeak freely prefers those times

That wasn't true communism retard

I could touch the tip of my ring finger if I caressed her throat

I would cum inside of that, whatever it is.

>Pinochet didn't fail, Hitler didn't fail Mussolini didn't fail
>the only reason why Franco didn't fail earlier was because he hated commies more than the Americans

>didn't fail

So where are they?

gib sauce.

Responding to your post: jews won and gommunism is their favourite meme.

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>Implying that Franco never existed in Spain
>Implying that Japan's Imperial WWII era wasn't even nearly fascist in nature
>Argentina
>Italy
>Pinochet's Regime was similar

Both ideas failed.Though the commies had more chance to prove communism.

its never true communism is it?

a marxists perspective:
>communism is so in-credibly fantastically unrealistic that every group that has ever tried to try it, has failed to try it because its irreconcilably flawed, logically inconsistent and practically it is not possible to even try to try to implement.

this meme again

>about to

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Fascism failed so hard that multiple armies had to beat it into the ground.

The good news is that if the red army didn't save the world, fascism would have caved in on itself because its domestic policies were a complete fucking mess.

Only if it ever works it is......

...so yeah never

That's a tiny neck

EU is fascist, not natsoc, but fascist

prove me wrong.

Franco was not a fascist. He was an authoritarian conservative.

>Franco
>Fascist

Exactly what is true Communism?
Communism's goal was socialism and There were loads more movements like left populism and syndicalism
And Maoism and Marxism.Which part of the left spectrum is "true communism"?

Facism did so well that all the other nations governments got jelly and had to stop it because everyone would want facism instead of them.

Communism on the other hand was continuously buttblasted by capitalism until its biggest nations abandoned it after realizing it's retarded.

>when Fascism has been tried literally once and didn't "fail", simply had its enforcing government lose a war?
If you consider communism to have failed because the Eastern bloc went back to being liberal democracies then it's hypocritical to consider fascism to have not failed when Spain under Franco did the exact same thing.

Fascism has also been tried more than once.

Actually Fascism has been tried a few times, and it worked really well.
See Gaddafis Libya, a nation of nomads, no schools, no industry, no nothing.
Also Chile did work out really well.
It's just that you likely wouldn't want to trade security for freedom forever, that's the drawback of Fascism.
But it is a great ideology for industrialising a agricultural society and creating order out of chaos.

>Facism did so well that all the other nations governments got jelly and had to stop it because everyone would want facism instead of them.
Only it's the fascists who DOW'd everyone else.

>red army saved the world
>tries to insult domestic policy in fascist states when the USSR and other numerous ML states collapsed themselves

Because communism can only work if humans stop being humans

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>Gaddafi was fascist
He was literally a pan-African socialist.

Why is it that my dick is getting stiff?

Communism is only favoured over Fascism because it promises fucking lazy people to have a good life.
How good does it sound to a lazy degenerate that he'll be made to work, follow law and order and rebuild the society after prolonged total chaos.
Not so good I believe. That's why the violent enforcers of Communism like Antifa are basically all dirty lazy bums.

Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles livestock

But where though? Is there more?

Seems to me like fascism is the cuck ideology, they couldn't even beat off all these lowly other ideologies?
Fucking cucks

And Hitler was a National Socialist. Gaddafi was a National Socialist too, he created a society out of chaos by enforcing law and order.
That's basically what Hitler did after the Weimar Republic chaos.

There's a difference between getting your head cut off in a war and collapsing under the weight of your own failing policies.

Everybody knows that communism leads to poverty, suffering and oppression on a massive scale, but for leftists that's a feature rather than a bug. Never forget that thier only real goal is th destroy the white race and western civilization.

He wasn't though, he was a pan-Africanist. It's not really nationalism when you want to build a multicultural, multiethnic state across a massive continent. Dare I say, that sounds more like internationalism.

>he created a society out of chaos by enforcing law and order.
That's what every state does at some point in time. It's called rule of law and like every state on the planet except Somalia has it.

Is Charlemagne a fascist now because he brought rule of law to European post-Roman warlords?

Well when you start the war not really.

GDP UK after WW1: $18 billion
GDP Germany after WW1: $17 billion

GDP UK 1938: $25 billion
GDP Germany 1938: $56 billion

There you have it, a war would have been inevitable no matter what Germany did or didn't do. UK wouldn't allow themselves to be economically overpowered, that's why they created all kinds of alliances within Europe.
They knew that economic power equals military power and they had no hope taking on Germany on their own.

Faschism was going to fail. Germany was going to go bankrupt due to its enormous debt but declared war before getting fucked over like modern day greece. A part of me thinks that the only reason Hitler declared a war was because he didn't want to be remembered as some Idealistic retard who plunged Germany Into yet another economic crisis.

LOL, Libya is even to this day 90% Libyan-Arab, rest is Phoenicians (locals) and then a very small minority of Europeans, Asians, Africans.
He had no plans to create a multicultural society, but he wanted to rule eventually over all Arabs and Africans, similarly to how Germans do it these days in the EU.
He knew his country would get eventually powerful enough to project power.

>Fascism isn't that bad, lol, rawrr!! XD

Idk, I guess it's because it appeals strongly to the average peasant and thus the average power-hungry dude.

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Oh no, countries are making alliances with one and other to protect their own mutual interests. How horrible!

Why wouldn't they just let Germany steamroll them all one by one?

Old idiots indoctrinate young idiots to perpetuate the cycle. It's why history always repeats itself one way or another.

Every form of government fails eventually.

Fascism only ever existed in Italy. Yeah it failed.
What you are talking about is nazism, which is clearly different, but would have still failed economically eventually. Pillaging other nations was the only way for them to stay afloat.

The only political movement that hasn't been tried yet is libertarianism

Both fail. Communism wants worldwide control whereas fascism wants control of a country. Both use force.

>He had no plans to create a multicultural society
He did though, actually read a little bit about Gaddafi. He was a pan-Africanist to the bone. From the 1970s to his death he was basically the front man of the pan-Africanist movement.

>but he wanted to rule eventually over all Arabs and Africans, similarly to how Germans do it these days in the EU.
Only he didn't. The plan wasn't to unite Africa because worldleaders want to amass power for absolutely no reason like cartoon villains, the plan was to unite Africa so that all African nations could operate independently of western and Chinese meddling whilst co-operating with each other to develop.

>faschism wanted control of a country
>what do you mean Mussolini wanted to control southern europe, hirohito: east asia and Hitler: the whole world

The point is none of these countries are capable of resisting German power on their own by nature.
Their people are not capable of doing so because their social order is outdated and weak.
That is the fundamental issue Europe faces since Germans have united 150 years ago.
It's obvious why they were keen on splitting Germany between the Soviet Union and the West, and why they had us change our constitution to forbid uniting Austria with Germany.

I'm neither a fan of Hitler, nor of Fascism (I don't want to liver under such a system, I prefer liberty), but that doesn't mean that I'll parrot because of this some retarded propaganda.
There is nothing wrong with the strong leading the weak, but engaging in exterminations like the Nazis did to achieve that goal certainly is unacceptable.

Fascism has been tried a few places, actually. Nazi Germany is just the most conspicuous example.

It is also a good example of why Fascism fails, since strong leadership tends to not be tactically sound leadership. Exceptions exist, but Hitler was notorious for ignoring crucial advice from his military commanders and advisers.

He also failed to actually kill all of the jews, which could have been accomplished swiftly and decisively in a short time span. Instead, he wanted to use them as labor, which they were very poor at.

Italy, greece, spain, croatia, and a couple other Mediterranean states went through fascist movements at some time or another.

>exactly one time

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements

So in other words, it failed.

>Their people are not capable of doing so because their social order is outdated and weak.
Only here's the thing. Germany has still overtaken every other European country as an economic power now that they're a liberal democracy.

Could it possibly be because Germany has a bigger population than every other country in Europe bar Russia, and unlike Russia is very well developed and educated? No, clearly what this means is the German social order of antiracist self-flagellation is the future and we all need to conform to it.

the population demographics of a country do not denote whether it is nationalist or not. It's policies do.

belgium is 90% belgian, but this is nearly the best example of a globalist country.

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>Why is it that Communism has been tried multiple times
Communism is stateless. Where did you imagine it was ever "tried"?

>Hitler wasn't that great at war that means fascism fails
I'm strawmanning your argument but it needs to be said, all political ideologies fail but fascism works the best and has the least amount of downside to it.

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that's rich, considering the UK and France are the ones who declared war on the Germans...

Communism like Capitalism are conceptual ideologies which don't make much sense in practice. This is why most countries have a mix of state owned goods and services and privately owned goods and services. Which you prefer depends mainly on your personal convictions and socioeconomic background.

fascism has a long history of succeeding
its the foundation of literally every successful civilization until the modern era
it eventually becomes subverted and corrupted from within and fails but the strong shared culture, shared ideals, shared goals, shared struggle, etc are the foundation of everything good in this world

Yes, because they attacked Poland who was our ally.

Do you think if China attacked the US that the rest of NATO would just let them have at it?

C'mon, Germany is 81 million, France 66, UK 65 and Germany could still overpower all of them if we suddenly went insane and made this our priority to build up a military for that purpose over the next decade.
It's not that Germans are more intelligent or more educated than the French or Brits, it's that we can follow even the most insane orders in a very strict way and cooperate better and have more trust towards each other if we really need to.
Trust, cooperation and diligence is very important for success, without it you could have the most intelligent population and it wouldn't matter.

Fascism has been tried only once?

Maybe you haven't heard of Argentina, Chile, Spain, Indonesia, Central America, . . . ??

Yet it fails mainly because the common goal of one person (the fascist) gets in the way of the common goal of everyone else. Same with monarchy for example. It's not because of corruption although that's also happened.

Austrians and Germans are not the same people.

>Fascism has been tried after WW2
a*glo-South Asian education

And that's by the way why Russians would still beat Germans. Russians can be made to run with sticks as weapons into machine gun fire.
You can't beat a fatalistic people in the long run, they are willing to burn down the whole world to defend their motherland.

>C'mon, Germany is 81 million, France 66, UK 65 and Germany could still overpower all of them if we suddenly went insane and made this our priority to build up a military for that purpose over the next decade.
I know, that's my entire point. When a country has achieved first-world levels of development literally the only deciding factor in how successful it's going to be is how big the population is. This is why America is the most powerful country on the planet, it's the first-world country with the largest population by an order of magnitude.

The communist project as envisioned by Marx and Lenin alike involved a conversion to Socialism and the gradual "withering" of the state.

Since Socialism was created and has not in a single instance become Communism, Communism as an ideology (if not the end-state political construct imagined) is a failure.

Who is this semen demon?

The first country who shipped man into space was communist.
oh the the country that beat up Fascism was also communist.

>Communism as an ideology (if not the end-state political construct imagined) is a failure
So everything should be privately owned? Including the armed forces of a country? If anything is common then it embraces concepts of communism.
For a country to have cohesion some government is needed.

>country that beat up fascism
>by getting free handouts from the rest of the free world

Only they also specify that socialism would have to be global, and it would have to feature XYZ characteristics that were absent in many eastern bloc states.

communism failed because of niggers, every time, they ruin everything

central Asian nigger, Balt niggers, chinks, etc

The question at what cost. If you need to kill 70 million Russians in GULAGs to do it, sure - it's possible.
I'd prefer the way the burgers or the Indians did it.

you cant "try" communism. Communism is the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.

>balt niggers

>when Fascism has been tried literally once and didn't "fail"
I assume you mean allowed to exist for more than a single generation of a nation, then yeaarrh, it's that sweet Franco-senpei. Every time it was allowed to do it's thing it did as well or better than free market democratic nations until the post-war period where you were either a Consumer-globalist loving capitalist or a Godless commie fuck

I bet you think the Ba'athists are commies too, huh?

Are you stupid? Poland would have negotiated with Germany if Britain and France hadn't treacherously promised to intervene on Polands behalf. Then when Germany invaded the allies just sat there and let Poland get raped.

Britain and France deliberately stabbed Poland in the back so that Germany and Russia would exhaust each other in a war.

Apparently korean. I wonder what she looked like before she had her face carved up.

Communists no, socialists yes.

I realize Americans are idiots and do not realize there is a difference.

>Poland would have negotiated with Germany if Britain and France hadn't treacherously promised to intervene on Polands behalf.
Oh, no, we actually stood up for our allies. How treacherous! Instead we should have just let the Germans stomp them into rubble and extort them out of whatever they wanted afterwards even though we were allies. That would be the just and noble thing to do.

Truly, Wehrabooism is a brain disease.

>Then when Germany invaded the allies just sat there and let Poland get raped.
Except we didn't. When Germany invaded Poland we DOW'd Germany straight back.

>70 million Russians in GULAG
Victims of the revolution. I expect the alt-right would probably silence more liberals if they had the chance.

Commies are autistic.
But anarcho-communists take the cake.
Literally the most autistic ideology you can possibly make.
Communism without government.
How the fuck do they think that is going to even work?
Hurr durr
>I work my ass off 12h a day on farm to get my family something to eat.
>Some bum walks from under the bridge to my house and takes my food.
>Just smile and give it to them.
How can they think this would work.
And what if someone forms a gang/mafia and starts going around.
1 of my friends is nice and right in many things but he got brain washed somehow before I met him and believes that this type of system would work.
Thinks that when the state is gone everyone will start sharing their stuff and if gang with different believes forms everyone just teams up and fucks them up.

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Nobody is enforcing it, technology is leading us there.

Well put

>Communism without government
Hippies and early Christians tried it. Works for small groups but not for an entire country.

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>engaging in exterminations like the Nazis did to achieve that goal certainly is unacceptable.

Good write up. This point here can be debated, but it's a moral issue, and that is decided by the society. Like Eugenics, it's a tough subject. If you watch man in the high castle you can see it with John Smith of the American SS. His own son would be put to death, and he struggles with that choice. I'm not any farther than season 1 episode 9 so I'm not sure how it turns out. Also the show is made by non Nazis so I can't tell you if it is an accurate representation of how it would all be dealt with.

Certainly not, but many would go for segregation if no acceptable solution is possible.
Alt-Righters believe to some degree, although varying in the Libertarian or Classical Liberal model.
Killing people on a grand scale to create a new kind of human just doesn't go together with this ideology.
I haven't heard Alt-Righters wanting to create something similar to the Soviet man, or the Übermensch like the Nazis wanted.
Most just want to be fucking live in peace and not have millions of foreigners being imported to their nation to fuck with them.

>It's just that you likely wouldn't want to trade security for freedom forever
Opt-in fascist society WHEN?

>Communism like Capitalism are conceptual ideologies which don't make much sense in practice.

capitalism isnt really a stand alone ideology its an adaptation and modification of mercantilism as a pragmatic Liberal economic model to accompany the actualization of Liberalism, and the federal system.
>The Wealth of Nations (1776)

Even in the wealth of nations many of the concerns we talk about today are addressed (monopolies, lobbying etc...). He doesnt go nearly as far as marx, obviously. But its not corporatism, not by a long shot. Capitalism is by design an addendum to Liberalism.