What was the fucking point?

>start war with austria because mah slav unity
>40 million people dead
>start war with each other because fuck you slav unity
>150 thousand people dead
wut?

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autism

Next up is you kike

it was the eternal serb as always

austria invaded us
nato bases because russia collapsed and couldnt compete for the balkan chessboard

how can you even jew ppl if you cant figure out the simplest things?

your kind was financing different militant groups who would break it up

uh yeah.
didn't you like kill the fucking heir apparent?

no....

>be austria
>have "military exercises" on serbian border
>every day a shell "accidently" lands in a serbian village and blows it up
>they keep provoking for war for months
>franz ferdinand is an utter retard and austrians manage to talk him into going to bosnia for no reason
>one of the villagers whose village blew up offs him

>>>WE DID IT! YES! YES! YES!!! WE DID IT!!!!

there i just saved you a history book

>serbian delusions
neck yourself

jesus christ
way to prove my fucking point

We Serbs apologise for our long lost brother shitposting. franjo pls come back to your serbian roots we can be great again.

We arent one people, and we dont like each other. Its not like the black hand was for yugoslavians and yugoslav unity
Go back to your turkish roots

you can safely ignore croatia
no such thing existed before world wars
and no such thing existed after

history of this region is germans vs serbs
and we won
and then americans move in and spread islam and some random terrorists that violated yugoslav constitution and today all exist on foreign life support

just look at its borders, croatia screams of artificiality, its faker than israel, austrians, germans, itallians, serbs, all of these have more reasonable claims to that province than """croatia""", whatever that even is

>"win" a war because washington bombed belgrade
>think you wuz fighting wars n shiiiiiiiet
next time moscow will be bombing zagreb and well wipe out the rest

>serbs ignoring history once again

Only Slavs may oppress Slavs.

>just look at its borders, croatia screams of artificiality
At least we're not the worst in the region anymore.

youre right the borders are too artificial
fixed it

Serbs always have an ok idea but a bad execution. They wanted a southern slavic union but they thought they would get Austria to piss off by killing their heir and his pregnant wife and then chimping out when Austria wanted to conduct an investigation lol.

In the Yugoslav wars they wanted to keep Yugoslavia together but instead they invaded 2 biggest Yugo countries just because Albos triggered them...

>ok idea but a bad execution
i think you mean a bad idea and a bad execution

That was a mistake.

Yugoslavia should have been relevant balkan orthodox slavs: ethnic Serbs and Bulgarians.

When you let statelets like cro-slovenia and muslims get involved you cause problems. What could Croats contribute in a real war against Turkey? Serbs had no business freeing them from the Germans.

>croatia in charge of being on the map

as you can see, no such a thing on the map
legitimate claim to that province have serbs because they won world wars,
germans because they took it before world wars
italians for the same reason germans have

croatian state was founded by some random terrorists that cant stand on their own 2 legs and are supported because nato needed a base in the region

as soon as nato goes away, so will all of you
war for """croatia""" was literally serbia vs nato
"""croatia""" is literally not even part of any equation here

you uppity villagers are getting exterminated next time, should have pushed you all back into austria when we forced the austrians back

serbs happened

>croatia in charge of being on the map

Caught me off guard, had a laugh.

You'd have borders like Croatia, if you hadn't let the Turks run over you like the losers you are.

Our borders are the result of our war against the Turks and we are proud of it.

We lost man and territory, but at least we didn't loose out identity and our country.

That's why you are so aggressive and have this expansionist politics, because when you don't value your own territory, how are you supposed to value someone else?

>t. alternate serbian history.
back to watching happy tv you go

You shoud've just stayed as our balls tbhq.

I approve this map

>What could Croats contribute in a real war against Turkey?
>what is Antemurale Christianitatis
ebin maymays hehe xD
there is literally no point in arguing if youre going to use serb logic without even googling about croatia
Nato didnt do shit in the wars except arm us, just like the russkies were arming you even tho you had plenty of arms

We fought the Ottomans all alone nobody really helped and the final part of Serbia fell to the Ottomans 1521,whille Croats had the entire AH on their side.

Lol are you rally this stupid?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia_(925–1102)

The united Croatian kingdom existed at least 300 years before there even was a Serbian kingdom.

legitimate balkan nations:
mountain niggers (can stand on their own)
serbs (west)
bulgars (east)

>muslims
should all go back to their deserts
>croats
literally no such a thing, never was, and as soon as NATO is expelled never will be

croatia currently exists because of NATO, not because of croatia
because croatia does not exist independently

if we sold out to NATO and allowed them to build their anti-russian bases, croatia wouldnt exist today

Do balkanese even speak different languages? Don't they all speak dialects of Serbian or something

Twice

without slovenes and croats there wouldn't be a yugoslavia
also you're country is a joke

ITT: Serbian alternative history:
WE WUUUUUZ VOJVODE N SHIEEEET WE WUZ THE BIGGEST COUNTRY MAYN BUT NATO STOLE OUR LANDS AND MUH BOMBS

we don't

>start war with austria because mah slav unity

Austria started that war. They deliberately over reacted to the death of the archduke (which they blamed on the government, which wasn't at fault) because they were itching for war. Serbia agreed to all but 1 of their almost comically unreasonable demands and they still went ahead and invaded.

Imagine, hypothetically, if the UK levied unreasonable demands against Ireland because the IRA blew up Lord Mountbatten. Same thing.

but he was literally backed by serbia and they denied the fucking investigation

The first Serbian dynastie was formed in 865 the Vlastimirović dynastie so sorry to pop your bubble.

Read De Administrando Imperio.
It's hard arguing with Serbs, when the only real source for their wild theories are their parents and grandparents,
and when they never picked up a history book.

the croatian one(trpimirovici) was in 845

>year is 2030
>nato has to close its bases to fund welfare
>nato has to sell its warheads to russia to funds its studies studies, multiculturalism and other social policies

>>>balkan nation with 10 million people and heavy industry with tank producing capacity goes to war with a balkan nation that has 3 million ppl and fucking tourism
>serbs start rolling in tanks
>croats start sucking foreigner dick (that's what tourism industry is essentially)
>no more nato intervention

>germans, who had interest there previously have other problems to deal with
>italy doesnt give a shit either

>>>>>>muslims are returned to the desert, uppity villagers expelled from serbian lands, peace and prosperity of the orthodox homogenius balkans ensues

wew

He wasn't backed by he was just backed by one Serbian general because he was a secret member of the Black Hand and litteraly nobody else,now please tell me what do they teach you in Croatian schools

based austrobros
new kingdom when?

my point still remains
the reason the black hand existed and the czar was arming himself for war was that the austrians claimed BH because they didn't want pro-russian slavs allowing russian warships in the adriatic. you could say the serbo-russian and austro-german hostilities were initiated by the latter but it was the formor who banded together in an alliance because they were all slavs in the first place

Ya because they had to cross the whole balkans first and you had a whole lot of catholic countries helping you..

>he wasnt backed
>they dont let austria investigate
choose one and only one
if you praise him now you praised him then

>dynasty
kek, not an argument, since they were not kings.
Their title was, and I qoute:
> "Prince of the Serbs"

Also the royal Trpimirovic dynasty started in 845 bitch.

lol cocksucker

>all slavs
they were all serbs and they wanted an unification of "serb land"

Be careful, Croatia is importing Warrior Genes™ from black americans.
Apparently some marines were on vacation there 20 years ago and on some pickup artist forum they said the women are crazy for the BBC, so blacks keep coming to Croatia to try their luck.

and the first Knezez was Knez Svevlad who ruled Serbia from 660-679 and other Knezez rulled until the year 836 when the Vlastimorivic dynastie came.

>implying the kingdom wasnt /comfy/
it could be better but it was good

Isreal gets 88

>its confirmed hitler would support isreal so that all the jews could be contained there

youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

He wasn't. He had unproven ties to some high ranking members of the military but not the government itself. They also did not refuse to investigate, they actually did, they tried him and he died in prison (would have been executed if not for his age).

Austria's demanded that they themselves be allowed to investigate and were already accusing high ranking officials in government of colluding before any proof had surfaced, they would obviously have abused an investigation if given powers to conduct one.

>
it was good verynice

What do hrvats say about the origin of the word hrvat?
A local historian professor I spoke with said its scythian/iranian in origin, like bulgar.

We were orientals, and so forth.

Yeah I've noticed that.

what does that have to do with the slavs

Southern slavs are a meme,they need foreign rule

the fact is that croatia never played and will never play any part of any equation of the balkans

possible interpretations are:
>austria hungary doesnt want pro-russian slavs to allow russian ships in the adriatic
>united states on the heights of cold war mentality are supporting jihadi islamic terrorism and other random local terrorist groups just so pro-russian orthodox slavs cant put a missile shield again russia in the balkans

all of this shit is literally america vs russia geopolitics and croatia is never even mentioned anywhere
>we wuz independent n shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet

even today, brussels writes all croatian laws

>number of croatian laws written by croats: 0
>numbers of independent governance of croatian province by serbs: plenty
>number of independent governance of croatian province by croats: 0

croatia exists because of nato welfare, not because of croats

better for someone else to write your law than to live in a lawless shithole that is serbia

The Serbian king wanted to feel important and was butmad that Austrians got to annex Bosnia first.
The Serbian court has been financing subversive political movements in Croatia when it was under Austro-Hungarian rule.
Most famously he got one of our linguists who was also a representative in our parliament to promote the dialect of Croatian that is most closly related to Serbian to enforce it as the lingua Franca instead of the Ozalj dialect we all should have spoken.
Ban Josip Jelačić kicked him out of the parliament for that after the bribes were discovered.
Sadly the decision on the official language wasn't reversed or we wouldn't have to have suffered under Serb hegemonist movements or the Nazi puppets who were created in retaliation.

Lets end this discussion right here.
Read DAI first and then come back.
There you will find that
>a) Croats were christianized prior to the Serbs.
>b) They were christianized by the Roman pope, i.e as roman catholics
>c) They came from a territory known as White Croatia.
>d) They were called to this territory in the time of the Byzantine Emperor Heraklius to drive out the Avars.

So, Croats had their own identity and their own country before they even came to the territory that is now Croatia.
This means your whole theory about "Catholic Serbs" falls in the water.

DAI is the oldest written source on the history of Croatia and Serbia, so unless you have something even older and more precise you can go fuck yourself.

>150 thousand people dead
that's not even close to being true

>He doesn't know about the kingdom of Croatia both as an independent state and a Hungarian principality
>Serbian History
Neck yourself, this is even worse than your lies about being kebab removers when you cant even defeat them with overwhelming force.

Serbia refused to let them investigate further about the murder
"Nothing had been done so far and the matter did not concern the Serbian Government."
many people argue over that but people think its iranian-sarmatinian, coming from the words, Horoúathos, Horoáthos, and Horóathos according to the Tanais tablets. There are lots of other assumptions tho.

>Implying that Serbs aren't just a bunch of Bulgarians LARPing as Dukljans (Montenegrins).

We completed every task AH asked us to do expect that that they police our court and goverment,so we weren't guilty but they just wanted to annex us.

...

...

what' does that awful meme try to prove?

We were Christinized by the Byzantines who gave us our own alphabet who just wanted to stop the Serbian raids on their border towns and villages,but after we got Christinized we became their vassal againsts Bulgaria.

It has nothing to do with Serbs, rather with muslims who claim the Coat of Arms and the history of the Kotromanic family as their own, but in reality they were the ones responsible for their extinction.

>Implying that Croats aren't just LARPing Avars who think that they are German

so you literally sold your religion for money?
kek

>but in reality they were the ones responsible for their extinction.
explain

>calling anyone Roman Catholic before 1050
>calling the church of bosnia roman catholic whereas it was a heretical independent church

hmm

Wrong. You didn't read De Administrando Imperio so stop taking part in the discussion.

When even the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII writes that the Croats were baptized through Rome and not Constantinople your little "opinion" doesn't matter. You were told lies.
By your parents, your teachers and your leaders.
I know it hurts, but you can't erase history.

Read the thing:

So your just saying that the Pope baptized Croats and not Serbs gotchu.

Our modern day pseudo-scientists claim it has a Scytian origin and thanks to some stone tablets found on the Black sea that contain the word Horatos written in Greek and somehow tied that into Croats being Persians i shit you not.

Serious scientists claim that Croats were a slavic tribe from southern Poland (modern day Krakow) and were a warrior tribe under Avar rule or at least allied with Avars.
When the Avars started to fall appart because of internal strife caused by the inabillity to plunder in the newly fortified west ruled by the Franks, the Croats turned on the Avars and settled down into modern day Croatia.
There exist American and Canadian immigration records of ''White Croats'' who remained a dystinct ethnic group within Poland up to the late 19th century thus substantiating this claim.

As for the origin of the name Hrvat.
I'd take the literal approach with slavic languages where the verb ''Hrvati'' means ''to wrestle/to fight'' meaning that we got our name as a tribe of soldiers which is again substantiated with topography carrying Croatian names all allong the borders of the Avar Khanate where battles were fought.

Brief description with meme arrows:
>Avar Scytians split of from Avar turkic tribes who enslaved them and went west on their own to settle down in modern day Ukraine where they formed the Slavic ethnos with the subjugated native populations.
>Avars raid into central Europe and the Balkans for a few centuries.
>Sudently horde of immigrants from central Asia pushes them west into modern day Hungary while Slavic tribes split of to form their own groups along their borders.
>Avars continue their raiding economy and forget about agriculture which spells doom for them once their raids are stopped.
>Croats betray the Avars once they saw this fact and occupy the land of modern day Croatia.
>Byzanth is too weak to oppose Slavs migrating south and instead just legitimizes Slavic rulers by giving them Conzul titles.
>Cont.

I'm asking how are modern Bosniaks responsible for the "extinction" of the Bosnian kingdom

serbs will be exterminated in the next 20 years by hostile neighbors, particularly croats hungarians and albanians, perhaps bulgarians will get in on the fun

when russia is out of the balkans nobody is going to protect them

6 of 7 were Roman Catholic Kings according to wiki.
>THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC REEEEE!!
You look like a retard.

>calling anyone Roman Catholic before 1050
Not knowing when the Catholic church was created.


>heretical independent church
They called themselves "krstijani", which literally means "Christians", so no matter whether it was heretical or not, they were Christians, NOT MUSLIMS. And that's the claim of todays muslims in BIH. They claim heritage to the Christians and at the same time they hate Christians, they erased the only Christian kings in the history of the country and sided with the Turks. So you can go fuck right off.

>Franks decide now is a good time to push their influence into the Slavic ruled lands.
>Venedi gets conquered and those Slavs get integrated with Italians.
>Karantania (Austria) gets conquered easy peasy because lower population and gets colonized by Germans turning them into the Slav-German mongrels of today.
>Slovenians don't get Germanized but are still ruled over by Franks.
>Czechia gets subjugated but remanis largely intact because the Franks realize they need them as border troops.
>Franks try to start shit with the Croats on the border by modern day Rijeka and their commander dies a swift hummiliating death.
>Franks and Byzanth slowly wage their diplomatic war over who gets to control Croatia.
>Franks invade Croatia several times only to die of Malaria and hunger while sieging a fort town in our inland.
>They have to call in the Croatian Duke that rules our coast to get done with this,
>Croatia get left alone to develop their kingdom for several centuries after that since the Franks are divided in internal strife and Byzanth remained weak for a long while after Arab conquests.

So much this. Based. Hope that USA will have their eyes closed on Balkans in the future. DESU I really don't want to see scenario where we invade Croatia oblitiring them brings nothing to the equation. on the other hand removing violant kebabs from Balkans is a must for Europe future.

>bogumils
>christians

lmao off yourself my dude

They where united, until someone wanted to build a non-white highway to the middle of what we now know as Europistan.

NO I am saying the ROMAN pope baptized the Croats in the 7th century. Prior to that they were not baptized, i.e they couldn't have been orthodox Christians, as is the claim by Seslj and other Serbian radicals, when they were baptized by a different church, and even prior to the Serbs.
I don't know why this is so difficult to understand for you? Just read the damn thing and stop arguing. You will learn a thing a two about your own country and history in the process:
>homepage.univie.ac.at/ilja.steffelbauer/DAI.pdf

>removing violant kebabs

>serbian delusions

bosniaks albanians and turks would have a field day executing your 43 year old population

>slav unity
that's not how you spell serb supremacy

good thing they're shitty warriors so they failed

And then you became Hungary's port.
Whats the situation with Bosnia's cost, is Croatia currently a single piece of land that you wan walk from one end to the other, or is there a tiny line that isn't yours?

>Bogumlis
>Bosnian Church

omg off yourself, please!

meant for you:

>so mad he can't even hit the right post

>They called themselves "krstijani", which literally means "Christians", so no matter whether it was heretical or not, they were Christians, NOT MUSLIMS. And that's the claim of todays muslims in BIH. They claim heritage to the Christians and at the same time they hate Christians, they erased the only Christian kings in the history of the country and sided with the Turks. So you can go fuck right off.
you sound like a serb here
fuck yourself disapora cunt, the "christians" (both catholics and orthodox) purged and fucked their bogumil "christian brothers" countless times before the turks came and did everything in their power to make the bosnian church disappear. But you left that part of history out of your narrative, like an A class serb.

Kys, please!

Muslim detected!

talking like behind Bosnians didn't stand entire NATO. Albanians literary have huge monuments of George w Bush for helping. Also kebab I don't want to kill you I just want you gone from Balkans.