We all know that Spain Colonized whole world and has kick ass architecture and 1st world standards. They Discovered Americans and have tons of inventions. During the invasion of muslims, muslims numbered 20 000 and conquered Iberia that at the time had population of around 4 million so they could hardly change genetics. They were mostly at top positions and as time passed the natives were muslims later on. During reconquista and inquisition many times muslims were sent back and resettled by Christian Spaniards. Even majority of Spanish haplogroup is huge majority R1. North Africa used to be part of Vandal kingdom for 100 years, do north Africans look Germanic?
Italians were never even conquered by any 3rd world nation except a really small part of sicily. Majority of their slaves were celts during Roman times. Italy has epic architecture started renaissance and had Dante, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and multple others and has invented so much. Just because those nations don't have blonde features like Swedes doesn't mean they are not white Europe has to have real diversity after all
Meds are white. There aren't a lot of differences between all of them, most of them share the same colours, I'm focusing on North African and Iberians. They are mostly different when it comes to the skull size and haplogroup.
Pic related is a Moroccan
Joseph Reyes
>Pic related is a Moroccan Kek.
Tyler Johnson
Thats like me giving a picutre of blonde indian and sayin '' Look Indians are white''
Zachary Bennett
maghrebi scum are not white
European Meds are white, not the remaining meds
Ryan Powell
White is either a racial concept or not, it's not a cool kids club. Meds are (sub)racially different from proper whites i.e Anglos/Scandinavians.
John Jones
yeap
White is the cucked stormweenie word of European, both of which contain the subcategories of slavs, germanics and Iberians etc etc
Kayden Martin
>Meds are (sub)racially different from proper whites i.e Anglos/Scandinavians. Lmfao Anglos/Scandis literally can't handle the sun, and meds are the inferior ones? >maghrebi scum are not white What are they then? Black?
Jeremiah Campbell
North African.
Daniel Green
I have never mentioned superiority/inferiority in my post, says a lot about the complexes some people have here. We Meds are adapted to a different environment as Nords, of course they have more trouble than us in our climate.
Cameron Powell
>debunking Only a small vocal minority thinks that Meds aren't "white". European Meds that is.
North-African, Middle-Eastern, Anatolians etc. are not "white".
Cooper Richardson
Anyone who sits on their fat ass screams about Italians not being 'white' needs a psych eval, has never picked up a history book.... and their family history was probably endentured white slaves that immigrated to the US.
Tyler Gutierrez
Yeah it's mostly Americans who got their entire idea of race/ethnicity from their history books on the second world war or it's just people shitposting.
Isaac Sanders
Misunderstood the "sub racially" then
Ian Watson
>North-African, Middle-Eastern, Anatolians etc. are not "white". What are they then?
Michael Baker
>and meds are the inferior ones? no, but we are different
Noah King
"Proper Whites"
Ohhhh, do tell oh wizard. You seem to know more than what EVERY SINGLE DNA STUDY in genetics on the FUCKING PLANET tells us.
Christian Collins
ah ok, guess it was a bit misleading
sub-racially because both are caucasian, and both roughly reside in an Europid cline of variation, although it gets a bit complicated there as you don't have the sort of huge separation that exists between caucasians and non caucasians, people near the borders of Europe are often more related to non Europeans than they are to other Europeans, namely Finns and south Italians
"proper whites" in the sense that those people pretty much define the category and nobody could reasonably call them non-white or do you seriously believe that if you sample enough Italians you'll find people more genetically white than Norwegian?
btw, "white" is not a genetic category recognized in any serious study
Benjamin Powell
Ahhh, so "White" is the lack of melanin (because of mostly snow regions) and lack of large percentage of Light Eyes.
"White" is, according to you, how close you are to being PALE?
Not about cranial features or DNA, or haplotypes, or genetics, or facial features, or phenotypes.
It's all about SKIN tone?? You take yourself seriously?
Grayson Perez
>Anglos/Scandinavians According to Benjamin Franklin Scandinavians were swarthy.
Connor Hill
>btw, "white" is not a genetic category recognized in any serious study
Fucking KEK, from the guy who just said "Proper Whites"
Logan Walker
nice strawmen buddy, you truly come off as an expert on the subject I'm just basing my classification on what can be considered unanimously white and then expanding from there
BF is long dead and his definition of white is no longer considered believable
yet another strawman, I never mentioned to be talking about a commonly recognized scientific term, "whiteness" is not scientific but we can still talk about it
Liam Moore
So far, I've heard on Sup Forums
Germans not White Italians not White Irish not White Russians not White Portuguese and Spanish not White Italian not White Finnish not White
Who's left? If it's going to come down to skin tone, than the pale snow people or pink "Anglos" can claim WHITENESS. Fuck em.
Cameron Lee
"Unanimously considered White"
You mean PALE skin with light eyes? Amirite?
Oliver Lopez
>Who's left? Anglos, and they are really not white (anymore).
Sebastian Richardson
Alright bro, my genetic test says 100% European, my eyes are green, hair is auburn, pale as hell in the winter.
But hey, don't consider me "White". Cool man. Half of Europe can live without the snow people or the Anglos just fine.
Deal?
Nolan Morgan
reasonably depigmented Europid of continental European appearance, the sort of person who could pass as a local in one of your super white communities
is this man white or not?
Blake Wilson
Okay, if Anglos are the only "Whites" left, then fuck man, they sure gotta hard road ahead. No need to defend as fellow Whites. Since I'm not White.
Good to know Man.
Hunter Baker
why are you so much on the defensive? tell you what, why don't you explain to us exactly what a "white" is and how you distinguish it from a "non-white", phenotypically and genetically
Xavier Anderson
That man is CLEARLY not white based on pheno-typical traits alone. WTF are you asking for?
Michael Anderson
Whites are EUROPEANS. All but Sicilians and PARTS of Eastern Europe.
But hey, only Anglos are White. So why even bother responding? Right?
Jack Taylor
ok, how often do you think that phenotype appears among pure stock Norwegians and how often does that appear in Greece or south Italy? maybe there's actually some real genetic differences and putting those in the same box makes no sense whatsoever?
Luis Ward
the guy I posted was from Calabria, guess he is actually white then
but if you do some research, you find out they're arab/jewish.
really makes you think huh
Mason Cruz
keep crying and not bringing any single argument you still have to explain to me your classification criteria for genetic and phenotypical whiteness
Jack Gray
that don't even look like an italian wtf
Jaxon Bailey
Sicilians and Chechens are white. Fite me faget.
Joshua Kelly
That was a really gay song
Aiden Martin
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Gabriel Long
nice undersampled pca you got there try to include more populations from the near east and west Siberia and you'll see what I'm talking about
Nolan Sanchez
here
Joshua Jackson
>try to include more populations from the near east and west Siberia There are plenty
Mason Morales
>utah, USA hmm that is some meme data you got there
Ian Green
why? Utah whites are a common academic sample for white americans and they plot exactly where you expect them to
Aaron Baker
I wonder why Sardinian plot so far from everyone in these fucking graphs. Like they have nothing in common with anyone? Even though they were under Cartage for a while?
James Martin
Based proto-Europeans
Landon Barnes
what makes Sardinians different from other Europeans is not the presence of something non-European but rather the absence of a certain input from the steppe, related to the spread of IE languages there's no significant sign of Carthaginan input
all middle-late neolithic Europeans were pretty much sort of Sardinian
Benjamin Ortiz
well except maybe those from the Baltic area actually
