Higher taxes on the rich

All the capitalist cucks on here will say "the rich work harder, that's why they have more money". But this is total bullshit, most rich people really do not work harder, they sit on their ass well benefiting from the manual and office labor of everyone else.

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t. (((Marx)))

People are paid according to their ability to tank shit or sell their influence. Fact is these lazy rich could do some real damage with what is their property. Also sage this shill slide thread

STFU neckbeard and go get a job

Rich people use more of the state. They benefit more from police and military security, for example, because they have more to lose. They use roads more, and profit off the infrastructure and social structures maintained by the state. Of course rich ppl should pay more.

I would shit on anybody's face to get that house, and you should too

I wouldn't say they work physically hard however, they put up the capital needed to maintain their affairs, make cut throat decisions that takes a toll on them physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually. They are the ones risking their backsides to see their ventures through. Here's a quick run down in terms you might understand
>You, you're brother, sister, and friend are offered a position to take care of the yard by your parents
>Each week each of you get $10 for whatever you want
>However each of you must pay $5 for gasoline, $1 for renting the equipment, will have 25% taken off the $20 for any damages if they occur.
>You're left with $4 each with a possibility of having to pay $2.50 if there's an accident.
>You're smart and realize that there will come a day where you only earn $1.50 and so you save you're earnings
>Your sister spends her $4 as soon as she gets it
>Your friend is saving for a new toy
>Weeks go by and you're savings is growing, your sister has nothing, your friend bought his toy and now doesn't care spending his money like your sister.
>You all have broken a few plants, and ruined a patch of the yard.
>Sister and friend say it's not worth it and are ready to quit.
>You in your wisdom tell them if they keep helping you their pay goes to you however you garunteed $3 even if there's damages and you'll cover it.
>They agree, you now earn $6 on a good day but on a bad day you owe $1.50
>Now you have to ensure there is a lower likelyhood of damage in order to keep from having to pay out of pocket.
>Keep your sister and friend happy or else they quit and you need to find more friends
>Still want to save your money so the job needs to be done right.

Most of the rich have worked for their earnings, stop complaining and if you're jealous sort yourself out, it's not becoming of you.

Why don't rich people get jobs? How about we make them toil in the fields, or actually construct the lavish homes they live in? Why don't we make them actually collect lumber, or butcher the food they so greedily enjoy?

25% off the $10, had to correct myself, didn't want you wracking your brain with higher digits OP

I think it would be a good idea to raise the taxes on the current corrupt crop of (((international capitalists))).
It will hamper the money they can buy politicians with.
These guys in charge are the ones who opened the border.

Because they can pay other motherfuckers to do all that shit?

Imagine if Moot had spent his time chopping trees to build a house, he would have had no time to create this virtual hovel for weebs where we can all insult you on.

This.

this is the rich working hard

Pay them with what money? With the money they collect from other people's labor.

Face it. The rich don't do jack shit. They benefit off the labor of others. They produce virtually nothing and live ridiculously extravagant lifestyles.

Billionaires who inherit their wealth need tax cuts but hard working Americans don't deserve $15/hour. This is the ideology of (((pol))). This is how you know these fucktards are nothing more than GOP establishment shill billionaire globalist supercucks. Case closed. gg

Firstly you need to determine who the "rich" are, it's such an obscure term. There's nothing difinitive about it. Secondly let's say you collect everyone who earns over 100k and they now have to do exactly as you said. Who is now going to manage your ragtag group labourers? You figure that problem out and things are going smoothly and everyone's working. But now people are starting to save and have well over 100k saved. They are now considered to be part of your "rich" group. What do you do with them now? They're already following all of your rules...

>every rich person shuts down their business
>wage cucks starve
>every wage cuck quits
>rich people just don't get any richer

I support higher taxes on the rich - particularly the ultra rich.

Capitalism is not the friend of the traditionalist. In fact, Capitalism works more to further liberal aims than conservative aims.

im very sorry, but intellect is unfortunately a very rare commodity, & the rich r justly rewarded 4 it; even the spoiled 1s... if u werent such a faggot, maybe u wouldnt b such a communist dog

What do you produce OP?

See my post you mong, they don't labour off the backs of others, they hold the market in order to provide for their employees. Are parents living off the backs of their children when they earn an allowance?

You stupid fuck...how do you think they got rich? We're not all equal. Some do, some wish and some watch(you).

Do lottery winners deserve the money they get? Is it desirable that a rapper would earn more than a farmer/engineer/physicist/doctor?

Luck.

Learn how to budget and evaluate your expenses.

LOL

They work smarter. No one cares how hard you work if it isn't useful. An industrious masturbater is not entitled to money just because he works hard (lol) doing it.

You would collapse like a bitch with the pressure of running a business and competing viciously. Fuck off.

Oh sorry I didn't know I was talking to a child. You'll understand when you're older.

>deserve
Who defines that? I get so tired of this tax the rich bullshit.
Plebs not understanding how tax code works.
People who bitch it about it the most more than likely get a refund of what they paid in or don't pay any taxes at all.
All you fuckers go kill yerself. The world will not miss you.

>Let's steal from the rich because they can afford it

I'd be more for it if the dinars we stole from them didn't go to bomb sand niggers and pay for regular niggers.

Seriously, start spending money well and I'll be more morally flexible.

so you admit you're here to shill communism

Rich people already do pay more, retard.

You see this is simply not true. At least the rich, well, most of them at least worked their asses off for a period of time in their lives. Unlike marxist communists who destroy other people's work they are actually creating jobs so you don't need to get your ass up and found your own company to support yourself.

Or if you decide to be a NEET capitalists makes sure there are companies and workers who support your sorry ass lifestyle.

It's a simple fact that communism or socialism wouldn't be possible without capitalism. No companies, no workers, no taxes not NEET no GIBMEDATS.

GET IT NOW YOU PATHETIC LOSER?

Get this into your brain... life is hard work. Even if you try to weasel your way out of it. There's no way around it. You have to put in the work.

Well, unless.... unless you just shoot yourself in the head. That will solve ALL of your existential problems. ALL OF THEM.

:)

what's sad (or funny?), is u think ur right; ppl r fucking stupid by mass; that should b2 ez 2 lrn by now if ur a Sup Forums tard

>complex.com/life/2017/07/anonymous-trader-made-more-than-230-million-in-a-month
DUHH HUHHH

EVEN in >widgets< can a man make millions in his youth; passion is a horrifying monster that u gravely underestimate

>here to shill communism
>Of course because we all know from history how successful it has been.

Agreed. Most rich people inherit their wealth or are born to middle or upper-class parents. The "rags to riches" story is incredibly rare and is touted by neocons as if everyone can do it if they just "work hard."

In reality most people who are born poor can, at best, move up to the middle class, if they kill themselves doing degrading labor for rich assholes 60 hours a week for decades.

Fascism would fix this problem.

you're fuckin nuts m8

he isnt; even the sites i think shouldn't go 404

i fkin h8 this, & canadians

Hey dipshit hillary voter, it was hillary who said she was going to raise taxes on the middle class, read WORKING CLASS, while billionaire Warren Buffet clapped right next to her

>he isnt; even the sites i think shouldn't go 404

o my bad bro

addendum: even the sites i think shouldn't go 404, end up 404ing

if that is true aren't you happy you were born in the USA and not some african or middle eastern shithole? Those people make less than $1000 dollars per year. PER YEAR.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_(nominal,_Atlas_method)_per_capita

I hope you feel rich now. :)

Can't tell if bait or uneducated

rich people created everything your worthless ass uses to enjoy the comforts of modernity
fuck off and die, commie

>Tax them more for making more money than me

Really makes me want to work harder :DDDD

2/3 of billionaires are self made.
you're a fucking moron

Source?

For the most part I agree OP the richest make their money off stocks and do not work manually. The rich should pay somewhat higher taxes. Businesses should be taxed less (like 15%). If you tax the rich at to high of a rate they have no incentive to create jobs, and tax on money made on stocks is doubled by income & business tax. The other end of the spectrum must be addressed to in the welfare state of people who do nothing for the economy. The working middle class always seems to get stuck with the bill as a % of earnings.

this is under the assumption that more tax revenue for the government will equate to increased prosperity for the working class and the poor

unfortunately, thanks to the absolute beauty of public adminstration, only a tiny, insignificant fraction of that revenue will actually go towards helping said people

the rest will get squandered through the inefficiencies and corruption of government

which is why, it's better to let rich people keep their money as they'll likely spend it and invest in businesses, thereby helping the economy and keeping working class people employed

>spend it
Nope.

archive.is/AS5Ct
>...Forbes said that wealth in America has become far more meritocratic over time. It said that in 1984, "less than half of those on The Forbes 400 were self-made; today, 69 percent of the 400 created their own fortunes."

stocks enable businesses to run... i.e. allow us to buy shit and be employed

Why? I grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood in Orange County. Rich people are often some of the most fucked up, anxiety ridden depressed losers on the planet, always stressing about materialistic bullshit. Not even mentioning never knowing who your real friends are and who just wants to hang out around wealthy people to feel better about themselves.

Obviously this isn't true for many rich people, but if having a mansion, multiple luxury cars, and essentially never having to worry about working again doesn't make people happy, then what does? Wealth isn't everything, and America is going to find that out the hard way as our nation and the West continues to crumble.

Horry Shit
An intelligent leaf
Archive this now for future generations to see a canadian said something that makes sense.

>most rich people really do not work harder, they sit on their ass well benefiting from the manual and office labor of everyone else.
OK why does this mean we need to give the feds more money?

if they save it, it gets declared as income and is taxed to shit

The rich have lawyers to avoid taxes
The poor never pay any income tax
The middle class is the killing fields

>But this is total bullshit, most rich people really do not work harder
Prove that statement.

>OK why does this mean we need to give the feds more money?
Their "tax the rich" argument isn't about taxes at all.
It's about a group of losers who want to punish successful people. Successful people will always find a way to be successful. Losers will always be losers.

leafs have been getting more based lately now that we have flagfags
the only ones who retain their leafs are the basest nationalists who don't give a fuck what Sup Forums thinks

>I would shit on anybody's face to get that house, and you should too

What the fuck would I do with that many rooms? I need, like, three. Maximum. The rest of the house would be a creepy empty place.

As expected, anyone who has anything against those who manipulate and fuck over other human beings to get to the top is automatically a 'communist'. No, I'm not a communist; I just don't think that it is morally acceptable to ruin other peoples lives so you can live in a temporary bubble of wealth.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. Humans have been doing this for 10,000 years of civilization, and we will repeat this pattern until we go extinct. It is ingrained in our very biology to always seek out more and be competitive; on a larger scale this is dangerous because if you have a handful of people making the decisions over billions; obviously the elite and wealthy are only going to care about themselves, not what is best for society. And hence why every single empire in the history of the world has collapsed, and why the United States is going to collapse. Enjoy the good times while you can, /pol, we're living in some of the last materially prosperous times right now.

(((succesful people))) with (((connections)))

face it man, its not about personal strength than its about being born in a position to meet other powerful people

The problem isn't wealth itself, who holds it, or it's distribution, the issue is the structure in which it's made. We're long overdue for some serious trustbusting and anti-monopoly legislation. Excessive regulation isn't good for industry or the economy either but in times like these it's necessary in the short term before being rolled back in order for the free market to function properly and actually be free, laissez faire capitalism doesn't work either.
It's not about punishing those who are successful for their sucess but rather addressing unscrupulous business practices and policies which are supposed to be illegal but companies engage in regardless by finding loopholes in the letter of the law while defeating the spirt. Overbloated industry without sufficent oversight and culpability is just as bad as putting to much power in the hands of the central government.

If being rich is so easy than why aren't you rich yourself?

>But this is total bullshit

Hey dumb ass, what happens when they decide to store their wealth outside the country, or move themselves entirely outside the country? What's more, 20% of $25 trillion or 80% of $0?

Honestly we need to get rid of universal suffrage, you fucking retards shouldn't be able to vote.

>implying it isnt already

>born in a position to meet other powerful people
Bullshit. I know and have known personally by name and association very successful, wealthy people. I'm still poor.
Not everything is black and white.

This is true of small buisiness.

however the inevitability of cumilative wealth increases result in monopolies.

Small monopolies lead to oligopolies when corporations realize there is more profit in less competition by working together.

Thus they involved politics to keep it out of their way while they work as a small, conspiratorial, unit. Exploiting their oligopoly status through political influence until all that remains is corporate power.

How do you, libertarians, stop this natural "shark party"?

I don't think their definition of self-made is the same as yours.

By their definition Trump is a self-made billionaire.

Capitalist cucks don't actually say that.

They say the rich produce more value, which is broadly correct. You can try organizing the efforts of those manual and office laborers and see if you get rich too.

Probably not.

Trump increased the money he was given over 1000 fold. The people complaining are ones that take 60k loans and turn them into -140k of net worth.

The rich do work harder. If being a rich person just involved sitting on their ass all day, there'd be a lot more of them right?

the problem in inflation which is basically lets banks give out tons of shitty loans

>"Oh there you go bringing class into it again"
>Knowing full well he doesn't know the movie quote.

>they got what they have by ruining other people's lives
this is why you're a communist
you're a parasite that needs to be purged
it's your kind of entitled thinking that destroys societies

No shit leaf, that's the whole point of making our corporate tax rate competitive on a global level, to bring back the trillions of USD currently sitting in offshore accounts. You don't reattract lost investment by raising taxes as Berniebros keep demanding

when i said born in a position i said born in a powerful family position with deep connections

not you, just knowing some rich friends and living as a commoner does not equal to deep connctions

except that that's bullshit
people can build connections through hard work, fuck fack

>powerful family position
Some were family. Family is no guarantee. Christ you're an idiot.
You think bill gates gives money to a 3rd cousin by marriage?

its not going to happen

low corporate tax might encourage start ups but once the ball rolled they will try their hardest to evade its just how it is

We should tax the rich at 10%, then have that be our only tax.

People who make over $500,000 pay easily 40%+ of their income.

That's a government issue, not a business is nor is it a result of people being wise with their finances. OPs argument which is what I was addressing was about how wealthy people are lazy and don't work hard. However to address you, the government needs eliminate pay for play, lobbying, corporate donations and the like. Essentially treating these companies like any religious establishment in order to remove their part in government. On top of that finding a way to help local start ups. I would argue supporting them financially is a waste of time and money as if the start would to boom then they would find themselves in the corporate level of non government involvement. I'm not an expert by any means though so I'm not sure of a solution but im sure there is one. There always is, it's just a matter of wieght the pros and cons for the country, and community. Monopolies are risky business.

Why don't people just become rich instead of complaining?

All you need to become Bill Gates is follow these 7 easy steps:

anthonyevans.net/asrichasbill.htm

>the definition of 1 in a million

sure as fuck there can be exceptions if you happen to be at the right place at the right time

there are way more hard working folks than bill gates that are working for him

>born in a powerful family position with deep connections
Just an FYI. Bill Gates his giving the bulk of his estate to charity. Not his own children. Wonder how they feel about that and your so called theory. (I love how people with no money know everything there is to know about rich people)

Was Trump given a billion dollars? No he took the money left to him and used it to create his empire. He could have easily squandered it in the beginning and lived a lovely depreciating life. Instead he was wise and made it.

fuck, i didnt read your thing right

bill gates might not give them money, but he will give his children something more valuable, connections

The stairs on this house make no sense

bill gates might not give them money, but he will give his children something more valuable, connections

>obamaleaf ranting like a nonsensical retard
This is a view at a mentally broken person right here

>Bill and Melinda Gates are giving a reported $10 million for each of their three children: pocket change compared with their $76 billion. Buffett’s three kids each have a $2 billion foundation funded by Dear Old Dad. The rest of his money? Going to charity

Damn, only 10 million each, how will they even afford Starbucks with that?

Only way to become a millionaire is an EMERGENCY FUND OF UP TO 6 MONTHS OF EXPENSES

>The stairs on this house make no sense
Common sight in Florida.

Bill Gates earned himself the luxury of not having to work hard. Currently there's probably people under him who work harder then he does, in the beginning of his career he worked harder than anyone else to bring Microsoft to where it is today. It's no wonder the leaf meme is so real with people like you raging on about folk with more shekels in their pouch.

There are good arguments in favor of a 100% tax on all profit made off of renting real estate

That is an issue as well along with the current debt based fiat currency system which is dependent on perpetual growth in order to be sustainable. Between to two eventual collapse is inevitable, especially with interest rates pretty much as low as they can go meaning there's no longer an simple way to quickly encourage corporate spending and investment. I'm curious to see what will happen to Canada now that they've sold off all their gold reserves, their government has gone all in staking everything in investing in the non-real financial assets rather than holding physical commodities in reserve, when shit hits the fan they are likely going to feel it the hardest off all 1st world countries.

If the corporate tax rate is as low here as it is anywhere else then why would they go somewhere else?
>inb4 tax havens with zero percent rates
One those places get your money in other ways, two they are all small nations that can not be completely trusted not to eventually nationalize your shit a la Panama