Ayn Rand

Is Ayn Rand a Sup Forums approved author?

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Too jewie

((((((((((((((( Ayn Rand )))))))))))))

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IRL Ayn Rand was a Welfare Queen.

Alan Greenspan was an objectivist. What do you think? Objectivism is a quintessentially jewish movement according to Kevin McDonald's criteria.
>promotes individualism among gentiles but silent on jewish tribalism
>all the top people are jews
>project different external beliefs than their real internal beliefs (see Rothbard on Ayn Rand on YouTube)

I'm actually an ancap because I think Hoppe's natural order actually encourages tribalism, and the jews like Rothbard and Block seem to be on board with Hoppe.

read her works but don't heed her gospel

This. It's a co-option of the protestant work ethos morphed into something that is completely non-conducive to ethnically aware societies, or notions of the civilizational common-good. Meanwhile, Jewish Objectivists have no problem carrying the economically unproductive dead weight of their own race. It conveniently leads believers to label any white who points out collectivist imperatives as "Communists".

She is shit-tier nihilistic garbage
Nietzsche for dummies
A degenerate

>There's also a fundamental problem that others have referred to

If you can read her war and peace take on "govt get out reeeee" and form your own opinions after it is a good intro to right wing thought.

I'm glad a fascist and an ancap can agree on something.

Ayn Rand was a sociopathic kike and juvenile-level writer. Objectivism is just a superrfically different version of Marcism that ultimately benefits only the jews. Anybody promoting Ayn Rand belongs in a crematory oven

The whole modern libertarian movement and its "intellectual" underpinnings are a kike trick. Only physical removal is practical

Except no-where does she admonish private charity or being ethnically aware, when she talks about being selfish it's in response only to state welfare systems because that was the allegation at the time (and still is) to being anti-welfare. So you're literally repeating purposefully dishonest liberal criticisms but with the all important "yeah but they're jewish" so you'll be agreed with by the ever ebin and edgy Sup Forums teenagers.

>project different external beliefs than their real internal beliefs
please explain. I'm very interested in examples of this among the jews

Ayn Rand was a sociopathic idiot who had hugely inflated sense of importance. She did terrible things, and her idea of an ubermensch was a pedophilic serial killer.

No decent human being believes in her shit. If you encounter an Objectivist in the wild, walk away. Her followers are brainwashed sociopathic idiots.

You have to read Culture Of Critique to understand what I mean. MacDonald points out a lot of both overt deception and self-deception. Pay special attention to the chapter on Freud. Freud had a cultlike circle of disciples that is exactly like Rand's cultlike circle of disciples.

Now here's Rothbard talking about Rand's "exoteric vs esoteric" belief systems. You'll see what I mean about deception.
youtube.com/watch?v=dejVMFLpQuY

>a kike trick

>Now here's Rothbard talking about Rand's "exoteric vs esoteric" belief systems. You'll see what I mean about deception.
I see that Rothbard commented on Ayn Rand having inconsistent/changing views, but I didn't see any examples of this.
I at least want to see some examples of "deception" or inconsistency

>self-deception
I had a jewish roommate and I absolutely see self-deception among the jews..
However, self-deception doesn't necessary mean contradictions

>You have to read Culture Of Critique to understand what I mean.
I'm going to skim this on wikipedia

Another JEW writer that is selfish and doesn't see the benefit for the greater good. All ABOUT ME ME ME. Ayn Rand doesn't deserve the benefits of the civilization she was gifted

>Ayn Rand
Into the trash it goes.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
>a Russian Jewish bourgeois family
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)
>Objectivism has been a significant influence among libertarians and American conservatives.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard
>Jewish immigrants
>Rothbard was the founder and leading theoretician of anarcho-capitalism
>Conflict with Ayn Rand

Both of these people are Jewish
They are advocates of libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism, which are both against socialism

I fail to see what is going on here
So, you are a fan of Murray Rothbard, but not Ayn Rand, right?

Never bite off more than you can jew

Randroids are even more pathetic than lolbertarians

This. Hyperindividualism is pure degeneracy.

Rand and Rothbard fanbois are the strawman that the (((commies))) enjoy atttacking most. For just this i dismiss them, plus i've no need for their bullshit (actually bullshit tbqfh)
ANCAP is a developing ideology. It's developing here. Away from the sycophantic namefag echo chamber cults of Rand and Rothbard.

Ayn Rand has no literary merit. Her works are pure unadulterated trash.

The right system without virtuous people will quickly cease to exist. The same is true for the wrong system with virtuous people.

Virtue comes first.

>Rand and Rothbard fanbois are the strawman that the (((commies))) enjoy atttacking most
Well, I don't like socialism and you seem not to either; thus, our beliefs align with theirs?

>For just this i dismiss them
why?

>ANCAP is a developing ideology
it's essentially libertarianism, right?

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I actually wanted to read Atlas Shrugged. Are people just being cunts because she's jewish or can anyone point me towards better libertarian literature?

He mentions natural rights and liberty as Rand's exoteric beliefs, so I think he's implying that Rand's esoteric beliefs somehow contradict natural rights and liberty. If this is the case, it's not and will never be public knowledge.

I'm still familiarizing myself with her source material myself, but there's one example I can think of easily.
In brief, she believes that there are objective truths, but that there still needs to be an authority to enforce these truths from the top down. In reality, she has this backwards. It's only subjective beliefs that require coercive authority to perpetuate themselves.

Hoppe, the man who carries Rothbard's torch, is a gentile who associates himself with people like Jared Taylor and Richard Lynn.

Yeah, I do like Rothbard, Mises, and Block. They're from the Austrian school, which was founded by Carl Menger, who seems to be a gentile (although he married a jewess). Mises praised fascism. It's notable that Rothbard and Block both married shiksas. Take it how you will.

The fundamental issue that I think redeems ancapism and damns objectivism is that Hoppe's natural order actually promotes tribalism, which is apparent in his book D:TGTF. Objectivism calls for a state while simultaneously calling for individualism. However, statism weakens natural tribal tendencies, so groups with strong tribal tendencies will be more successful in the presence of a state.

>taking a woman's perspective on philosophy
>listening to Jews
>listening to Jewish women preach philosophy to you
>agreeing with Jewish female philosphy

She's a spergy Jew.

>our beliefs align with theirs
Your run of the mill Randroid is absolutely destined for the wall, but not until most of the other post-modernists are normalised.
>it's essentially libertarianism, right?
This misunderstanding is why you must dismiss both Rand with great prejudice, take Rothbard with a large dose of salt, and realize that even Hoppe isn't a hundred percent right about ANCAP. You really would do well to be suspicious of all (((Academics)))

>I'm going to skim this on wikipedia
No need to skim btw.

Longtime follower of Ayn Rand here, not anymore!

>promotes individualism among gentiles but silent on jewish tribalism
The Ayn Rand Institute talks at Jewish community centers, and advocates open borders for the US (but closed borders for Israel). FWIW these people are not Ayn Rand herself as she passed away decades ago.

Also, Ayn Rand cucked her husband and got her "lover" to cuck his wife. Cuckoldry, and sadistic and masochistic sexual pleasure in general, are rampant in her novels as well.

There is definitely a bad seed in there somewhere.

>Your run of the mill Randroid is absolutely destined for the wall
>run of the mill Randroid
I believe I am simply just not well versed in understanding libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism yet.

I disagree with socialism/communism, but I believe a small amount of government intervention and regulation is necessary for stuff like roads and public schools.
I also disagree with the whole open borders shit that would be inherent to true libertarianism.
Where I believe we draw the line is the idiotic entitlement programs--I disagree with basic universal income, minimum wage, and welfare

>This misunderstanding
And this is why I post here
All I am certain of so far is communism and socialism is idiotic

>Alan Greenspan was an objectivist.
Hello? If you believe any form of authority or government has legitimacy you are a relativist. Kys.

No, but Susan Ayn is an actor.

I truly don't have the time to read it any time soon

never trust the Jew

If Objectivism is your thing

Cool another Ayn Rand hate thread where not a single critic makes any reference to any statement Rand actually made in her novels or philosophical writing.

Wow a bunch of people who vehemently disagree with Rand but have never studied her work. Literally all of my shocks.

Here's just a few predictions Rand made which have come true in the states.

>Degeneration of art
>Degeneration of architecture
>Corruption of science via gov. grants
>Corruption of gov. via economic entanglement
>Decay of infrastructure
>Increasing empty materialism (Rand was not a materialist you morons, read Atlas Shrugged and pay attention to Rierdon's wife and what she represents)
>Increasing inflation as currency increasingly fails to represent actual wealth

I could go on but I'd quickly break the post limit. Now come at me you antisemitic morons. Tell me about how she was an evil Jew for taking a giant potshot at ((((((communism)))))

>I disagree with socialism/communism, but I believe a small amount of government intervention and regulation is necessary for stuff like roads and public schools.
Oh boy I strongly disagree. We actually have too many roads because of road socialism. Combine this with cars, and you've got the problems of urban sprawl that plague all American cities. If all roads were private toll roads with private shareholders, you'd see a lot of problems disappear.
I used to agree with you though. It seemed to me that you needed a government to protect everyone's "right of access" to their own property, but I've come to realize it's possible to manage this through title insurance and contract law.

>I also disagree with the whole open borders shit that would be inherent to true libertarianism.
Required viewing for anyone who brings up this criticism: vimeo.com/86857165
Watch 26:55 through 31:35.

>a small amount of government intervention and regulation is necessary for stuff like roads and public schools
This is how you get 'coptered, none of that shit is government's business.
>All I am certain of so far is communism and socialism is idiotic
And virulent, you're infected with it and need to cleanse your system.

You're right that she made a lot of valid points, but I've disassociated from her and the ARI because of the corruption that I talk about in this post: 133852101

I'd encourage people to start with the Austrian School which doesn't have the problems of the Objectivist enterprise, and then read Ayn Rand's works with a grain of salt.

>Here's just a few predictions Rand made which have come true in the states.
"Here's just a few things I was completely unaware were cyclicac, I think it's magic because I'm a shallow scholar."
FTFY. Deontologize urself, fagit.

If you guys want to know about her ethics (they are really good, very eye opening) you should read "The Virtue of Selfishness". It's barely 200 pages, even most stormie brainlets can deal with that.

Many people are recommended "Atlas Shrugged" but it's a +1000 page mammoth and it can be quite confusing as her writing style isn't very 'Western' in a way. Rand became famous for her ideas, which can be read on in other books, her fiction works aren't really that good.

Well her actual writing is garbage but the ideas she posits are good.

Virtue of selfishness and the fountainhead are worth the read, but she's not a good writer desu. Objectivism is (((infested))) and she ended up on fucking welfare in the end. I know thats a bit as hypocritum but still...

>is Ayn Rand le based Sup Forums approved author xDD
>lolbertarian
Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Ayn Rand walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol because there are no regulations and they die.

...and then everyone goes out of business.

Actually, there is no tainted alcohol because everyone values their business and careers.

Meanwhile, governments kill millions and destroy the environment, but they're the governments so what can you do, you give them world-class treatment with your taxes and seats of honor at international assemblies.

Every single pirate poster (((talks like this)))
Is it a coincidence?

Godless anti-christian
Kike
The sin of Greed personified

No

Depressing that people are actually paid to shit up Sup Forums, I'm flattered that they consider us such a threat, but I'm afraid they might do something bigger in the future, the calm before the storm... I don't want to give anyone ideas so I'll leave it at that.

She was on social security at an older age which she was forced to pay into throughout her career. I don't find that argument very honest, and I don't even care about her.

In 2010's Internet everything is a government honeypot.

Bernays. Read Bernays. By god, he's the only god these advertising maoists pray to. (and that edgelord cuck crowley.) The two of em together is their playbook and it's nasty stuff. You're very very right, but we're very very strong.
If you're worried about Sup Forums, don't be. There's a sea of alternatives waiting. They can't cuck em all, I Guarantee.
>in 2010's internet
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
It's never not been a honeypot.

Yup, I'm not a "student of Objectivism" either but even I acknowledge that with book sales, etc. more money went into the government coffers than out because of Ayn Rand. But this sound byte is convenient for dismissing her and defending their precious welfare state so they use it on TV.

Naturally the government can subpoena Sup Forums whenever it wants, but the question is, who is at the helm?

>Bernays
>crowley
Thanks for the tips, user.