>Some see it as a way to compensate for the traditional jobs with benefits that will be wiped out by robotics, artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles, globalization and the gig economy. Others see it as a way to reduce income inequality or to create a more efficient, less stigmatizing safety net than our current mishmash of welfare benefits.
An explosion in creativity. A drop in homelessness. A bump in pofits.
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>universal basic income
then what's the point of money?
>An explosion in creativity.
An explosion in the lack of proofs.
UBI is just setting the conditions for a mass culling as everyone becomes dependent on it
Did someone say profits?
What's the point of an already established minimum wage based on state?
There is none.
If they give me a UBI I'll just send it to whatever politicians are fighting against it to help fund their cause.
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>What's the point of an already established minimum wage based on state?
To keep poor people alive for some reason.
Money already is useless. If we lived in a world without money it would be no different.
Yes, more free money for everyone!
A literal nothing because the money for it doesn't exist and it wouldn't work even if it were implemented.
You mean a basic welfare state?
Because leftards rule the media and some people are lazy
These fucking scum.
>If we lived in a world without money it would be no different.
Actually you would have to produce something to trade instead of making cheap plastic garbage for 7 bucks an hour. Would be great for someone like me who raises livestock but would be awful for anyone who isn't exceptional at anything.
Money is an equalizer because the unskilled would have nothing to trade for goods without it.
>and it wouldn't work even if it were implemented.
that's why it's good
>implement UBI
>Watch every bum and junkie on the continent flock over
>Watch UBI collapse under the additional hosuing, medical and therapeutic care bills ontop of UBI expense
Who will be first?
I bet it will be Ontario.
fpbp
This is going to put inflation on steroids if it ever breaks out of controlled micro-economies
>UBI
Can't wait. Working for a living is for the birds. Being a NEET will be easier than ever.
> Milk costs 2$.
> Everyone given 5$.
> Now milk cost 7$.
Nice idea, faggot.
Political nobodies trying to up the vote buying ante.
If they are successful and everyone conservative or liberal will have to play by their rules or lose the general election.
jew points will still be redemmable for produced goods, but they will be worth less since everyone will have a minimum.
Millenials have nearly unlimited free time, live with their parents, went to college and have access to the internet. Where's the "explosion in creativity" from that? We got even more trivial narcissism and fetish for consumerism, just like we'd get paying everyone to be some layabout moron.
>jews promoting communism
what is this, 1917?
Universal basic income is a rather large concept, which doesn't mean much by itself.
A low basic income could be advocate by the right, as a mean to suppress all social insurances.
A high basic income could be advocate by the left, as a mean to guarantee a minimal life standard.
Same concept, two opposite applications.
If we want to discuss about it, we need to know how much would be this basic income!
We've been getting surveilled and social engineered long enough without pay and now I can get paid!?
Count me in! Want me DNA, too?
>mfw
>WHY free money for anyone who wants is gaining support
Just wanted to say.
I'M SHORT TESLA.
There isn't. It is just another word for hyper inflation.
We already have basic income, that is welfare. Universal just means it extends to every citizen in the country. Find out how much someone in your country gets for welfare, thats what it will be.
>corporations get more consumers
>"middle class" will pay for it
Its a groundwork to let in a billion negroes and have you pay for them.
>we don't need them to work we have robots for that, we let them in because we need to help them
Can literally screen cap it and repost in 2050.
>then what's the point of money?
That... uh... what?
Guy, money is still representative of a finite resource. You use that finite resource to trade for things you may want.
Just because you get an allowance doesn't suddenly mean everything is free and meaningless.
Its just a communist trick.
>taking my taxes and redistributing it equally
I'll shoot you for that
To facilitate trade.
This.
I am a UBI advocate, but there are several major misconceptions about its rationale and probable impact. Milton Friedman introduced the concept in the Sixties as a more efficient alternative to current wealth redistribution. If welfare transfers "spurred creativity", American negroes would've developed a settlement on Mars by this point. And the notion that "automation" will render human superfluous in the economy was a sentiment shared by the typesetters union as well as the legions of telephone operators who used to account for the bulk of telecoms employees. People will just do different work. Why anyone thinks recent advances in dick pic tech and fast food dispersion somehow leads to robots doing everything within the next five years is beyond me.
I would also take issue with the fallacy that it will "reduce inequality". It would likely reduce absolute poverty, but that's not the same as inequality.
This is all UBI is meant to solve: you don't have to do in the street from hunger or disease. But if you want a house, a family, vacations, early retirement, and so on, you have to earn it. UBI essentially removes all dysgenic features of our current welfare net schemes while also eliminating absolute poverty and will not cost any more than we're already spending.
UBI will never work if all of Canada adopt it... But if Ontario adopts it first then it is a way of robbing the other provinces of wealth via inflation (which is a form of tax).
Mudslimes in Germany UK France Sweden already on UBI
Have produced exactly nothing except more of them.
The example already exist
UBI means more time for drinking, smoking, fucking.
Could raise birthrates
Is wealth like a pocket full of cash? Or is that just another buzzword for, "I'm owed X amount of dollars so my net worth is Y." because if it isn't the latter then capitalism is greed.
Oh I like that idea, theres even a tax credit for donations so you could essentially even give that tax credit to them. Let the establishment fund the resistance.
Great idea! Let the people endorsing it take the first 95% cut on their assets to pay for the pilot program!
Fan art and furry porn have seen tremendous improvement.
Still plenty of bad art, but you just don't see the scanned in notebook pages like you used to.
The super high level in video games is being occupied by stronger players than ever.
Besides that there is nothing. Almost all of us waste our time and lives on shit and those of us who don't lack the talent to do anything special.
A basic income won't create the next chess master or street fighter god. The people are born from adversity; they improve their craft so they can win enough gas money to make it to the next tournament.
Do your part.
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It's gaining support because the rich kikes know that the goyim have been pushed about as far as they can push us
>fake unemployment statistics covering up mass unemployment
>explotatitive wage slavery
>insane house prices and rent gouging
>(((gig economy)))
>(((service industry)))
>(((debt based economy)))
>(((outsourcing)))
>(((mass immigration))) = unskilled cheap labour
If (((they))) don't throw us a bone soon (((they))) anticipate a huge uprising. Remember this fact about (((universal income)))
>because everyone gets it..it will send the signal to business and landlords etc..that prices can go up because the rational will be "everyone can now afford higher prices". This will result in the poor becoming even poorer as their eg £100 a week..will not buy shit. You could give everyone £1000 a week and it wouldn't make a difference..like I said prices would immediately inflate and devalue the currency.
This is ONE of the major flaws with the universal income meme. Even I can figure this shit out and I don't have a degree in economics.
>reform the welfare state instead..cut out means testing and red tape. Save billions in needless bullshit..of corse that would result in more unemployed people..but still you would save billions.
Society will still disintegrate even with a UBI if people do not have some kind of structure to their lives that allows them to contribute meaningfully to society. And by 'meaningful' that doesn't mean just 'consuming'. Those who think that freeing everyone from the need to work for their own economic security will somehow ennoble mankind are deluding themselves.
The problems caused by modern technology and it's effects on the labor market can't be solved by simply writing checks, even in an honest well-intentioned rich-to-poor wealth transfer.
Bitcoin could have been UBI, but someone fucked that up for the rest of us.
Let's just ignore that until it goes away.
>We already have basic income, that is welfare
The welfare and social insurances (in my country) depends on different factors. For example, if you lose your job, you will get some money according to your previous salary.
We had last year a voting on UBI, the proposed salary was lower than most actuall welfare.
IDA is for faggots.
The problem with your thinking is that it assumes that UBI will replace current welfare and entitlements, when you and I both know it will merely be appended to them. Latonshafonda and her five kids will get UBI to avoid "absolute poverty" (whatever that is, we're assuming that prices don't simply inflate now that everyone is given $X artificially), but assume she mismanages the money and has nothing. She will cry starvation and absolute poverty, the very thing this was supposed to fix, and who will step in to give more money? This is an infinite loop.
A worse case would be having some kind of UBI based only on food stamps or "you can buy only this" with the money, because then people would either sell the vouchers on a black market, you'd give zero benefit to people who are not in absolute poverty, and you'd further inflate the prices of those subsidized things.
It's shit, Desu, though you are absolutely right about automation and the failure of the present welfare system.
>An explosion in creativity
absolute fucking bullshit. People are not creative when they are comfortable and have all of their needs met. They are lazy degenerate pieces of shit in that condition. If you want creative people put them under pressure.
There is already a law against landlords from increasing a persons rent by more than 4% in 1 year.
>UBI will cause the storm to cease.
No it will seperate the wheat from the chaff. Anyone only complaining because they get enough gibs will quiet down. Those who are truly tied of this punch and Judy show will become more agitated. It's a ploy to grease the squeeky wheel I don't want a bone, I want people to have dignity and self respect. If accept gibs for any reason other than crippling disability you are pathetic.
>UBI essentially removes all dysgenic features of our current welfare net schemes
Don't you think that an handicap person should received more than a person too lazy to work?
I think yes and that's why I am against UBI.
UBI is profitable for businesses, both big and small. Loan sharks are just itching at the opportunity. Convenience stores will begin to sell items that people on UBI will likely buy. Foods will become packaged into bundles that people on UBI will buy. The number of bank accounts being up will go up, the number of NSF fees will go up. More debt incoming. Suddenly people on UBI realize it's not enough. When the gibs will never be enough gibs because we let our capitalist state benefit from all government's actions. Not a commie, but UBI is stupid for regular working class citizens who will pay for UBI anyhow.
Here's the real reason, youtube.com
As the available jobs get eaten up by automation the availability of new venues to create fortunes increase but the available jobs for the low IQ people will reduce steadily up to the point where over half of the population will have no available jobs for them.
The question is if we will reach the point of post scarcity before or after that happens, if before we will be seeing some extremely troubled times.
If your talking about Irish (((law))). There is also a law about discrimination against people in welfare...but this is how well it's being enforced
>exhibit A check the date of the story
Arts is very free-time required. Other types of creativity (invention) do require pressure. (Necessity) People get creative because they want to be lazy... lol.
In practice, UBI is Jews bribing niggers with white people's money.
Are Jews promoting UBI is Israel too? or is this just another (((theory))) to test out on the goyim countries?
>Exhibit B..
Screen cap taken yesterday with adverts 28 days old
Do they actually think people will give a shit about being anything if they can get the "minimum wage" for free? Are they retarded?
People will just become the nowadays neets that doesn't do shit, except progressing in games.
I personally think it's pretty obvious that the elite knows that AI will handle ~90% of the jobs in a few decades and they need the people to just.. be there, to consume the things they produce. Which will all-in-all completely demolish the normal people's ability to WANT to get anywhere in life.
Expecting normal people to be more "creative" when their daily needs are met without having to even work for a living, is laughable.
I agree. It will do nothing to improve art and creativity. At least in the long run though it might help superficially in the short term.
Ultimately it will just create a hedonistic society that is morally empty and filled with infantilized people.
These people have no fucking idea what human nature is, or they are purposely plotting to destroy society.
We already have a tumblr full of idle hands making mischief without universal income
>Don't you think that an handicap person should received more than a person too lazy to work?
It's not about need. The UBI is blind to need.
The handicap person should be entitled to the same amount, and the charity and goodwill of his neighbors. With a UBI there may be more charity and goodwill to go around.
>the elite knows that AI will handle ~90% of the jobs in a few decades
This is absolutely retarded and it should be mocked whenever someone casually throws it out as fact. Why didn't mechanical automation replace 90% of the jobs in 1900? Could it be that the types of jobs, industries and endeavors are not static, and new skills will be required as they arise?
t. hopper / macfag. IDA for life.
They say it's free time required but that is a load of shit.
If you can afford the time to watch the news then you have hundreds of hours of free time each year. You can become proficient in any skill within those 300 hours. You just have to do it.
UBI at the price of freedom of speech.
All is well until the state presents those faggots the bill. And it wont be cheap.
All of a sudden they would back down.
Mark my words!
Which category is botched sex change operations in? That's the one that will explode following universal income
>The handicap person should be entitled to the same amount, and the charity and goodwill of his neighbors. With a UBI there may be more charity and goodwill to go around.
My income and the income of other people is not fucking charity and goodwill. It's the result of our risk and our labor and our commitment to our own families. You aren't "increasing charity" by removing money from the people who actually make money to give to people who can't manage theirs. You are going to get significantly less.
>quietly let us replace you with immigrants, I MEAN ROBOTS, and we promise to pay you money because obviously its cheaper for us to spend billions on robots and then pay you a living wage rather than just pay you a living wage and give you a job ;)
you gotta be a dumb goy to fall for this shit.
>Give people enough money from the start, so they don't need to improve not to improve their skillls to improve their skills.
Brilliant. *clapping*
Inflation not even once happened in history because of poor people getting money, especially not hyper inflation.
You are so simple minded its unbelievable.
Incentives need to be added, things like awards, titles, etc. Rare things.
I don't doubt at all that's what the left intends, but they will never get that in the US. Moreover, unless it is implemented exactly as Friedman prescribed, it will produce only disincentives and price distortion; in other words, the same shit produced by Welfare State 1.0.
The sad thing is this the best opportunity the right has to eliminate the dysgenic social policies that favor the left and they're gonna scotch it. If imposed in conjunction with massive immigration restrictions and sensible family planning policy (i.e., no government restrictions in abortion and birth control), we'd probably see the spic and nigger populations almost halved in 50 years.
Well, of course. That's what medical insurance is for. I'm also a single-payer advocate, on the obvious grounds that it costs half of what we currently spend on healthcare.
In truth, I do believe a person too lazy to work should simply be executed. The reality is we have a lot of people who are just too stupid to do anything productive, primarily blacks. I'd like to see them at least sterilized, but that's not likely to happen. In reality, UBI (alongside a couple other common sense and noncontroversial policies, all of which basically already exist) is the best chance to end the dysgenic impact of the welfare state. If you pay some dumb nigger just enough to not starve, and ensure his access to some means of birth control while also refusing to subsidize in any way his family creation or expansion, the impact of those policies is far fewer niggers in a couple generations and the left has no grounds on which to complain at all. It's win-win.
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that episode of Futurama.
whatevs, as long as i make equal or more than what i do with autismbux i'm fine.
>its
not an argument
In the case that Trump himself fails to implement basic income within the time of his second term himself, the future president of the USA would then be the one who has basic income on his agenda.
And this person most likely will win with a landslide indeed.
If 7 years from now only one candidate will have basic income on their agenda, expect his or her or it (A.I.) to win >70% of the electoral seats.
Money is an artificial construct of behavioural patterns (like any economic or financial ideologies) that can be modified or replaced in its entirety by something/anything more beneficial to humanity at any time.
Money does not matter,
Debt does not matter.
Only behavioural patterns do.
I see basic income as a transitional step/period during the complete liberation of the human psyche from the concept of money and economic doctrines.
Food, water, shelter, healthcare needs to be liberated from "finance" sooner or later.
The things I mention are not dependent upon any ideologies. They are only dependant on behavioural patterns.
It's not a load of shit though. Anything of real value takes time. Things that are fast are cheap and have less value.
They are alrdy testing this in The Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden. Many more eu countries will follow.
inflation would gobble all of it up and the end result is the rich get richer. it wont help any one at the bottom and is a boondoggle for any nation with a active military like the united states
gdp would be negative for each year with a universal basic income. this will kill the dollar. the people at the top dont care. im sure zuky jokes about moving to shanghi when the shit hits the fan
>universal basic income
>with open borders
it sounds good in theory but why would anything have any value if money is given away for free?
also too many selfish people, the same reason communism doesn't work, humans are flawed.
The problem Jews have is one of intelligent productivity. Jews are fanatically working to populate the world with essentially low intelligence, non-productive people.
One only need look at the countries from which third world “refugees” are fleeing to see their productive potential in today’s high tech world. It’s a real conundrum for Jews because they cannot tolerate intelligent, productive people with the capacity for understanding their predatory methods. Yet those people who make perfect slave classes will not be intelligent or sufficiently motivated to continue developing and producing products required to maintain a fast moving, high tech world.
Becoming creative doesn't happen over night. I can speak as a former vidya addicted NEET. After about 3 years of mindless gaming, I just kind of woke up out of the haze, and my mind was craving something to do. My new addiction is learning, I can't stop eating up as much information as I can. This will happen to others too, you can't just sit inside all day with your brain off forever.
At least you have enough money to run away from shitskins like rich people and don't have to live in basement.
Despite their self laudatory claims of brilliance, Jews are really not all that bright. While, as a race Jews are perhaps masters of cleverness and cunning, the only area where they rank appreciably higher on the IQ scale is in verbal skills and while one may “eat their words”, such a diet will not sustain the body. Therefore, Jews require their slave class to have IQs in the range of the average African Negro.
However, I don’t think the Jews really care about technology as much as they lust for Jewish supremacy uber alles and if that requires a new dark age with a backwards, medieval type society, they will move in that direction.
The Jew’s Old Testament story of the “Tower of Babel” pretty much lays out the future scenario. Nimrod’s culture was a homogeneous, high tech culture with the ability to build towers that reached the heavens. Towers high enough to threaten the “Lord god’s” power over the earth. The “Lord god’s” answer to this untenable situation was to mix Nimrod’s culture with people from different, disparate cultures of “different languages”. These cultures are no doubt of a lower intellectual capacity than the homogeneous people of Babel, otherwise they too would have presented a threat to the Lord god’s power.
Housing market in the UK and Ireland a fucking joke.
> No smoking
> No pets
> No children
> No students
> No DSS (welfare claimants)
With all this bullshit you get a shack that hopefully has all 4 walls, but you cannot be sure.
The deranged government also wants to make landlords check immigration status of tenants, and I bet
> No immigrants
is coming soon.
>>Money is an artificial construct of behavioural patterns (like any economic or financial ideologies) that can be modified or replaced in its entirety by something/anything more beneficial to humanity at any time.
>Money does not matter,
>Debt does not matter.
>Only behavioural patterns do.
t. postmodernist fool
The end result is Nimrod’s advanced civilization is “scattered” among the less intelligent populations, leaving the Jew’s “Lord god” victorious commander over a primitive culture. This new “confused” culture will now breed a less intelligent class of people incapable of building or maintaining the technologically sophisticated civilization required to build towers that might reach “heaven” and threaten the “Lord god’s” power.
In the very same manner, those people now flooding Europe will produce a race of bastardized idiots that can never present a real threat to the Jew’s far more sophisticated military power base created by white man’s technology. Essentially, the emerging slave class will only have the intelligence to pick up sticks and stones in opposition to Israel’s nuclear power. This very scenario is now being mirrored in the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
Star Trek faggots need to learn what hard work is.
Kek. That's all I'm askin for...
Rich people's sons like on 100 times the UBI since day 0, they also enjoy Socialistic schooling which goes like this: i got a job, i know my job, now Socialistic government just needs to teach me how to do it aka their private schools which are like government owned schools in Socialism where people owned them, in case of rich people they own the schools.
I just lost my job, so for the moment I'm down.
>does not understand that money is created ex nihilo
It's pretty simple...give people a choice between working and x amount of money for doing nothing.
Let's say a figure is set at $300 a week. You can take that OR get a job.
>the government would need to set caps on basic things Iike rents and essentials. To stop runaway inflation and price gouging.
Everyone who opts for a job..will either have a good career OR will do low skilled work simply out of pride..
>low skilled workers however will become highly valued and their wages will shoot up due to their scarcity..as most low skilled people will take the gibs. In fact they will match highly skilled workers salaries and will gain a whole new level of social respect..
Win/win
Workers cannot be paid a universal income because it would have a negative effect all round.
Money is a social construct and is racist.