**blocks your path**

How does it feel knowing that despite campaigning for 7 years against it and controlling all 3 branches of government, Trump and the Republicans just don't have what it takes to repeal Obamacare and as a result the US will be forced to take steps further towards socialized universal Health care instead?

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It'a pretty pathetic, but the thing that bothers me more now is that Obama will go down in history as the president that gave Americans health care and the history books will beautify the fuck out of it.

Feels pretty much on track. Trump announced early on that it would just fall under its own weight if nobody wanted to fix it.

Feels pretty good knowing the Republicans are a bunch of incompetent cucks

we have summoned obamaleaf!

>there are people on this board that honeatly thought the republicans were competant
You have it backwards. The republicans are incompitant. The democrats are out of touch.
The republicans don't know how to actually DO anything. They're best at stopping things from happening. Only the dems can do things.

You're welcome for blessing this thread.

So that's it?
They're just giving up?
After winning 4 elections, taking back the house, senate, and presidency, they're giving up???

Fuck this party. I will never vote for them again.

It was designed to destroy private health care for 97% of Americans. Single payer is the only option, and don't forget it's not health care, Obamacare is a tax.

The point is Obama won. Trunp and the GOP even with absolute power couldn't stop it.

I like that. Its like we tried to make Yin be Yang and vice versa. Republicans must fall but our presidents must always be Republican so they can veto when Dems go too far. This is the Mandate of Heaven if you will.

Is there still a chance?

Let's just sit back and watch the fires

You say that as if this isn't something that effects you.

If course it doesn't.
You think Sup Forums is 26 years old?
Average age is probably 20. This place doesn't even understand the health care debate.

Don't most of these retards have autism tho?

>obamaleaf forgets his graph
>the post

>graph
>singular

implying i don't have thousands

Do you want to talk about Obamacare though? Part of IBM's WATSON computer was developed the next building over from me.

Do you know how that fits in?

All they have to do is repeal Obamacare.

Yes, the health care industry has been destroyed, but it can't rebuild until Obamacare is gone. The government needs to get the fuck out of healthcare. No one is going to die in the street because hospitals are mandated by law to stabilize an emergency medical condition (EMC) when someone walks into the emergency room. Once stabilized, they discharge the patient.

What must be done is obvious. However, it would probably take 8 years for the healthcare industry to return from the dead.

I'm happy to talk about how shitty and unpopular Trumpcare is. Most unpopular bill since forever.

>All they have to do is repeal Obamacare.
But they're not going to. They don't have the votes.

if republicans weren't so fucking DENSE they'd realize the political gains of building a single payer healthcare system far outweigh whatever campaign money insurance companies are throwing their way

fuck youse cunts

You can talk about how shitty and unpopular Trumpcare is all you want. I also think it's shit.

But what I want to talk about is the Jews, whether you call that Hillarycare, Romneycare, Obamacare, or Trumpcare.

Then they need to keep trying to repeal. In the 2018 elections, they can mobilize Republicans to vote out Democrats blocking the repeal. If they don't even attempt, people are going to get pissed at them for lying and not having a spine.

yeah no one is going to die of an emergency! (just of cancer and a thousand other diseases and conditions)

Eat healthy and exercise. Lack there of is the cause of most disease.

Epigenetics overrides genetics.

... the neocons arnt trying to repeal obamacare tho....

what's your point.

The left is retarded because they believe that progress comes from consensus, even ignorant consensus. Progress comes from argument, but the left sees conflict as failure. Which is why they fail.

yeah exercise does wonder to combat leukemia in infant patients

Don't forget that neocons are also evil satanic tulmudic khazar jews.

I'm not a fan of my insurance premiums going up so much the company I work for had to change providers to some shady, awful healthcare provider that won't even help pay for my meds unless I buy 6 month supplies.

Then I see some guy I used to work with, now on welfare, who just has medicaid and has all his shit paid for in full. Pretty infuriating. If repealing obamacare will lower costs in any way shape or form, i'm for it. Otherwise, I don't give a shit.

>someone actually thought that an entitlement program could be removed after it was implemented

Once you give people free shit, there's literally no way to get rid of it

Are republicans just stupid on purpose or what? I'm right wing and i don't even like a majority of them.

Socialized medicine would work fine if we only gave it to whites and kicked the Jews out of medicine.

not disagreeing...

but OP's point was that republicans were trying to repeal obamacare....

repeal isnt even being discussed.

Paul Ryan (a #nevertrump neocon) wants Romneycare 3.0, because that's what his boener lobbiest wants him to want.

it won't. literally the only way to fix obamacare is to either go full socialized medicine or make the mandate stricter.

I think it's gonna have to be driven through their stupid thick skull by the elections in 2018.

Fuck the fucking healthcare and insurance companies. You represent THE PEOPLE

T H E
P E O P L E

And they have no counter to just letting it blow up in their faces. It's great.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

OH FUCK

YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY WANT SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE AND AREN'T BOUGHT AND PAID FOR?

LISTEN TO THE WORDS COMING OUT OF THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER'S MOUTH ON HIDDEN AUDIO TAPE:

soundcloud.com/the-intercept/centene-15th-annual-investor-day

listen to them laugh.

this is your party.

There are other options too.
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Medicine is a cabal.
There is no reason a pharmacist shouldnt be able to prescribe a painkiller or an anti-biotic.
There is no reason a nurse couldnt diagnose a cold or food poisoning.
Honesstly the rest of the shit doctors do is just making correlations between different symptoms, and this could be done by a computer, at least well enough to help a nurse make good decisions.

Then you have malpractice insurance, which is at least 1/3 of the cost of your doctor.

For stuff like surgery, cancer... etc
Ya you want a doctor for that. but that cuts down the doctors you need by a huge amount.

>There is no reason a pharmacist shouldnt be able to prescribe a painkiller or an anti-biotic.


I barely trust the fucking guy that has spent a dozen years in school for this stuff to cross-check drug interaction notices.

You want me to trust some over-worked corner-store Becky who is more concerned about if she fed her cats this morning?!

Are you fucking retarded?

>But what I want to talk about is the Jews,

and how much Trump is cutting their taxes

>Paul Ryan to Headline #NeverTrump Conference 3 Days After Primary

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This is the guy running the healthcare debate.

right wing retard btfo

So be it. If the right wing conservatives don't like colleges, then the red states should defund them. If they support Trump, then take away their Medicaid. Trump says jobs are coming back. They sure are, in LA, New York, and Seattle. They want tariffs. Go ahead. Impose a 20% tariff on imports and let them pay much higher prices at Walmart. Start a war somewhere and let their kids get sent away to a far off land to die. The blue state kids will be in college.
What else can we do? How do you reason with someone that is incapable of reason? How do you have a conversation with someone who rejects reality and lives in a dream world?
Hey, I live in the midwest. I have been around country people my entire life. It has never been like this. They had different viewpoints, but they had both feet planted on the ground. Now, the situation has become so dire that I fear for our nation.
At times like these, leaders should stand up for the truth. A very few are in the Senate. Very few. The House has been overrun by the inmates and their leader forms policy based on third rate schoolboy novels. Right wing journalism has gone from projected a different side to the story to creating a story. All done for money, ratings and profit. And most of that profit goes into the pockets of the corporate oligarchs. These are the same people who have subjugated vast sections of the population with their propaganda. And for what? Not for America, or patriotism. Only for money.

That's an incredibly misleading graph.

The top 0.1% could have a tax decrease of 0.5% while the lowest quintile has a tax decrease of 90% and the graph would look virtually the same because of the difference in income between the two.

I can only fathom that this is the express reason why the graph is showing total dollar amounts and not the actual percentages.

Ya, doctors dont know shit about drug interactions. They just perscribe whatever the pharma rep says works.

Following and understanding drug interactions is literally what pharmacists go to school for.

>Are you fucking retarded?
apparently you are.

But that's really very irrelevant unless you're a Jew who wants to monetize the value of life, like pic related, one of the architects of the Death Panel.

Can you tell the folks at home who he is and what role he plays? Surely you have an infograph for that.

>Ya, doctors dont know shit about drug interactions.


I have had two separate people come up to me and thank me for the work of my uncle in figuring out a negative drug interaction. He is the best local doctor by far and is against big-pharma and always pushes for more natural medicine.

My GP uses a computer database he set up to pick up conflicts between drugs so he himself does not have to keep them all in his head.


The correction to your bullshit is that BAD doctors don't know shit about drug interactions.


So your solution to the fact that bad doctors don't do due diligence is to hand it to a group of people who could not care less about the subject on average?

Great plan! Again: Are you fucking retarded?

>I have had two separate people come up to me and thank me for the work of my uncle in figuring out a negative drug interaction
Did you get paid for it?

I told my family right off the bat grandma was going to get addicted to the oxy, start having stomach pain, need to take more of it, they were going to give her other shit to mask the pain, and then when it got bad enough for ambien that she was going to be a walking zombie and get into trouble.

Had a friend on an ambien script. wew.

But oh no the almighty doctor knows best. How much relief do you think they feel after years of that and switching to a doctor who canceled all that and put her on something more effective

>don't tell them it's to put her out to pasture, going silently like a lamb to the slaughter
>oh you think it's some kind of surprise she can't talk straight or remember anything?
>wow

user, republicans are on track to lose the house in the midterms. And if that happens you can kick repealing obamacare goodbye

>So your solution to the fact that bad doctors don't do due diligence is to hand it to a group of people who could not care less about the subject on average?
on average doctors dgaf about drug interactions. The know the obvious ones (dont mix ssri's with mood stablizers or beta blockers), but really they dont know shit about the drugs they prescribe, other than what treats what and the potential side effects.

Literally, Durg interactions is entirely the domain of pharmacology, you know... the thing pharmacists get certified to do.

>my dad can beat up your dad
go fuck yourself. Stop being a nigger

Hmm

It's not misleading. The truth hurts. Trickle down is a scam and the wealthy elites don't need tax cuts.

So anyway are we going to talk about what Obamacare really means or what? I thought we were starting off on a friendly conversation there for a bit.

Who needs tax cuts? The poor faggots that don't even end up paying?

You lost me with this I have no idea what you're talking about

the dems played everyone like a fiddle, obamacare was broken and incomplete, but they knew it would get enough people depending on it that the US would never get free market healthcare again

We're talking about the commoditization of life. Do you know much about the financial industry?

I assume you do based on your charts and graphs.

>But oh no the almighty doctor knows best.


Sad story user, I hope your family takes that doc to the cleaners if you can. It is sad when people take a doctor's word as absolute law.

>on average doctors dgaf about drug interactions.

So you are saying your choice of physician is actually incredibly important. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that statement.

>you know... the thing pharmacists get certified to do.

Ah, so I should trust in their certification...of some fucking idiot in the back of a CVS who barely gives a fuck about showing up to work let alone quadruple checking drug interactions. Instead of my GP who I have seen go to great lengths to ensure that no negative drug interactions are in the cards.

>>my dad can beat up your dad

What are you even talking about? I stated categorically that the doctor in my family and the GP my family trusts look for exactly what you are saying doctors do not. How is that not relevant? How is that >Muh Dad?

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small companies need tax cuts

no one else

I guarantee you that anyone you know who is on coumadin is being managed by a pharmacist and not a GP.

Well I have medical power of attorney over one of my parents. God please grant me the wisdom to make good decisions in keeping with the desires of the people I am tasked to care for.

Oh yes I do.

billionaires don't

You can't decrease taxes on the lowest quintile because the lowest quintile doesn't pay taxes

>I guarantee you that anyone you know who is on coumadin is being managed by a pharmacist and not a GP.

This is the thing, people should be constantly asking their doctors about these things and cross-checking themselves online and consulting a GP even if some fucking Becky around the corner at Walgreens tells them its all good.

Another anecdotal story: My gf will not go in for anything but a test without me there because I ask the important questions about things like drug interactions and alternative treatments.

My uncle taught me about how bad doctors do not do their due diligence and you have to be your own advocate if you have no choice of which doctor you go see.

Hell, such attention to detail is why my family settled on the GP we use.

"Always two there are; No more, no less. a president, and his vice"

>Ah, so I should trust in their certification...of some fucking idiot in the back of a CVS who barely gives a fuck about showing up to work let alone quadruple checking drug interactions. Instead of my GP who I have seen go to great lengths to ensure that no negative drug interactions are in the cards.

why trust your doctor?
Its just a license? Some dude with $500k in debt and no intentions to ever start his own practice or even show up for anything but filing insurance paperwork.

Who also has no incentive to check for drug interactions BECAUSE ITS NOT HIS JOB.

we all get it
>YOUR DOCTOR
>YOUR UNCLE
good for you, here's your (you).
its not fucking relevant.

Doctors are not responsible for checking drug interactions.
Doctors are more expensive
And there is no need to involve doctors for a huge number of prescriptions.

There is absolutely no justification for needing a doctor to be involved in prescribing a painkiller or anti-biotic.

I needed a new GP once so I could get a script for a vaccine I'd decided I wanted to get before traveling to a certain location.

I asked him why the little key hanging there for his lock box was made of pure copper
>well i don't know user
>actually I never noticed that
Doc, you know copper is soft and keys are usually made of brass, right?
>...uh, yeah, user... I don't know
You know Doc one time I was to Fort Ticondaroga and they showed us how they kept the swords made of copper so they wouldn't strike a spark and set off the black powder
>huh yeah, kind of makes sense

Always put your doc up against a wall. You're paying for this shit. Get everything you can out of it.

That isn't what I meant.
Warfarin management is primarily the realm of pharmacists working in ambulatory care.
Warfarin interacts with fucking everything and INR management while on it is predominantly via the recommendations of the pharmacist.

In addition, who the fuck do you think doses vancomycin or aminoglycosides while you're in hospital, or who manages amiodarone?

>Who also has no incentive to check for drug interactions BECAUSE ITS NOT HIS JOB.


>Doctors are not responsible for the scripts they write

Again: You are fucking retarded and know not of what you speak.

The funny thing is that we are partially on the same side. Bad Scripts can hurt people and something needs to be done about it.

My line on the issue is:
"Your doctor writes the scripts, you should pick a competent doctor that does his research and ask him loads of questions about what he picks to put in your body"

Your line is:

"FUCK DOCTORS, THEY BAD. TRUST PHARAMACIST, DEY CERTIFIED IN DIS SHIT AND DO NO WRONG"


To which: You have still yet to make any sense in how the average pharmacist will be more responsible than the doctor whose entire practice can hinge on what they put on their scripts.

People joke that Sup Forums is full of under-aged and yokels with no brain but geez you are proving it.

>Warfarin management is primarily the realm of pharmacists working in ambulatory care.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Yes there are cases where it falls to the pharmacist to make the call but again: You should be keeping your GP abreast of all of this so they can catch such things.

When I go into my GP he asks me for any and every thing I am on, why I am on it, when I started and how long I intend to be on it and tells me to e-mail him if I have any concerns about stuff that I go on of my own choice or am put on.

People really don't get how important an engaged and detail oriented GP is to their overall health.

Ofc doctors are responsible for scripts, stop changing my words. But only so far as making an appropriate diagnosis and prescribing an appropriate treatment.

I'm not saying fuck doctors at all

I'm saying how about doctors do shit worthy of 20 years of training instead of writing a note to a pharmacist bc a person has a cold.

It's clear you've got an agenda here. stop being a nigger, you're literally retarded.

It might not even be the GP. If you ever get sent to a specialist, chances are they'll be overjoyed to chat the situation up with somebody who knows one or two things about what's going on.

They love having somebody to talk to.

Yes I agree with you that a good GP is good.
However, you seem to be making the argument that pharmacists are useless when that is not the case at all. Just as a good GP is essential, so is a good Pharm since there are gaps in MD knowledge such as dosing key antibiotics, managing coumadin, amiodarone etc..
Is making the argument that given the knowledge on medications that pharmacists have, they should be able to prescribe certain medications upon a visit to the pharmacy, which is already the case in certain countries in the EU.

Your original post:

Is advocating across the board for letting nurses and pharmacists take on the job of doctors in the diagnostics and script writing. I say this is a terrible idea as bad doctors already fuck this up.

I am still waiting for you to explain how my stance is retarded.

I can clearly outline why yours is:
I have met many a nurse and pharmacist and almost none of them would have the time or presence of mind to take on the task you are suggesting should be heaped upon them.

That is not to say that I do not know nurses and pharmacists that have not caught things when doctors have not; but making it their job across the board? Nope.

quads and obama goes to jail

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>However, you seem to be making the argument that pharmacists are useless when that is not the case at all.


I am not stating that at all, they have their place in the medical system but giving them the responsibility of general script writing especially in the US would be a terrible idea.

Imagine an opiod addict going into a CVS and easily muscling the under-paid and over-worked Pharmacist there into giving them their fix.

By having that firewall of: "Go get a script from your doctor" there is at least a layer of protection there that the person will be looked at by someone with decades of practice in knowing when someone is just looking for drugs

Healthcare is a massive clusterfuck. Insurance companies are too influential and take too much money to facilitate. FDA takes forever to approve drugs. Small cap bios get kneecapped by big pharma. Treatments make more money than cures. Nutrition is a foreign language to a lot of Americans. Natural remedies and treatments are vilified by the allopathic establishment. It's gonna take a lot to fix this shit.

I see, this whole fucking post train seems to be a failure to communicate.

I doubt pharmacists would ever get CII prescribing power due to that exact moral hazard so no worries there.
Pharmacists do get a shit tone of practice in drug seeking behavior btw, they typically use the prescription drug monitoring program more so than physicians but I digress.

youre is retarded, because "my doctor is great" is not a stance at all. It's not even an argument.

I outlined situations where nurses and pharmacists could absolutely take over, your response of "well my doctor is great, therefore... no" is ad-homonym, not an argument, retard teir bullshit.


I also stipulated that in order to make broad changes in diagnosis you need technological advances which should have been implemented 10 years ago, and havent been because of the medical cabal (corporate hospitals and medical boards that create false scarcity).

>with decades of practice in knowing when someone is just looking for drugs

this is irrelevant. The war on drugs is about putting blacks in jail. There is no reason to control these substances except to keep people locked up.

Healty people dont do drugs. And unhealthy people dont get help.

>thread about healthcare
>obamaleaf continues his mentally ill ranting and goes on about the economy
So this is what it is like when someone has a mental breakdown

>is ad-homonym
non sequitur*

calm down leaf

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>continuing your descent into madness
Look at that mentally broken idiot and laugh, it would be tragic if it wasn't so funny

Yeah, we should just copy the VA. The actual single payer system run by the government.

Oh shit.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/3/va-still-plagued-by-problems-two-years-after-scand/

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youtube.com/watch?v=XHakl2bMQYI

Trump should get moderate Republicans and Dems and try and fix Obamacare rather than repeal it.