Healthcare study ranks Australia second best in developed world, while US comes in last

>Healthcare study ranks Australia second best in developed world, while US comes in last
abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-healthcare-ranked-second-best-in-developed-world/8716326

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Based on what, how (((free))) it is?

Guarantee you it's not actually based on quality of care. Most people who jump nations to get better care come to the states above everyone else.

There are only 11 developed countries in the world?

Bullshit, NHS is falling apart from chronic underfunding and starving nurses doctors and others of pay

Thanks the Tories for that. They're trying to do what Reagan did to you guys in the '80s.

Dude, let's pay more in taxes than we'd individually spend on healthcare in the first place without insurance!

Not much

While the report looks like bullshit, I'm curious to see how the US ranked prior to Obamacare

Other way around.

kek, you think that people in Germany and in the UK are draining themselves out in order to pay for healthcare? I get full health coverage, and I'm paying fucking 40$ every 6 months.
You guys will say anything to justify your own mediocrity.

>Private party insurances don't exist
>Paying huge sums of money to prop up an oversized, publicly funded option

For being cost-conscious, you sure don't think your purchases through

>extra 10 percent income tax for barely passable health cover

That's what you pay for universal health care.

Private health insurance is a thing, user, and it's much cheaper than universal coverage.

Quality of care in the US is second to none. I guarantee this ranking is using "availability" as the heaviest weighted factor and then phrasing it in such a way to make you think it's discussing objective quality. You know, like the last dozen healthcare rankings that did the exact same thing.

>10 percent income
That's less than 5% of my MONTHLY income, and that covers FULL healthcare for 6 months.

True if you're rich.

>last in developed world
>a whooping 11 countries included in the study

So are there just 11 developed countries anymore?

>True if you're rich.

tell me more about my country Ahmed

Lmfao its from. Australia and abc

>you need to be rich
You don't need to be rich, you just need a grown up job. If your job doesn't offer health insurance it's because you're shitty and worthless and the clock is ticking to the day you're replaced with automation.

I dont see what Trump has to do with this given that it aint his healthcare system theyre judging

Here we pay both more in taxes and more in private insurance.

>he still mentally lives in the '50s

You've never been to the states, have you

>If your job doesn't offer health insurance it's because you're shitty and worthless and the clock is ticking to the day you're replaced with automation.

truly, the neocons have won

>I'm going to fly to Australia for treatment of my super rare condition!

Said nobody, ever

Hey American why are you spending so much inventing everything. Your poor people living better than kings 200 years ago are suffering because they havent gotten their teeth fixed for free.

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snopes.com/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

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only poor cunts get proper healthcare without having to pay, and america has better healthcare anyway.

you have a choice between having "free" healthcare (aka you're going to be on the hook if you earn more than minimum wage) and probably dying in the hospital, or having "expensive" healthcare (which best case means your insurance will deal with it, worst case means you'll go bankrupt and can't get credit for that sick new car) and living. which one do you pick?

>people who aren't responsible enough for insurance
>probably have tvs, iphones, and 3 cars
>Still get world class healthcare, despite no money
>7 years of bankruptcy, then back to normal

Meanwhile, in the UK, death panels tell you if your child gets to live or not.

"Free" shitty care is better than no expensive care. Or in the US system. Can't afford it until it becomes critical, then ends up 10X worse in an ER on the taxpayer dime.

>center of pharmaceutical industry
>center of cancer research
>rich people from all over come to our hospitals

huh??????

shitskin or millennial basement dweller detected.

Go get a job and insurance, faggot

>Can't afford it until it becomes critical
so that's why every mexican in california can walk into a hospital and get healthcare (((free of charge)))?

>True if you're rich.
Nope, pretty straightforward getting decent private coverage in the US

>Private health insurance
So paying a for profit company to pay the same bill is saving you money how?

The costs are care are the same, adding insurance just adds another layer of profit skimming.

How is "availability" not the most important factor to consider?
This is healthcare. The opposite of it being available when you need it is fucking dying.

>How is "availability" not the most important factor to consider?
because there is not a single ranking for it that is objective?

hospitals are not allowed to refuse to treat people if it's a life or death situation. if you've just lost a leg you can walk into a hospital, receive extensive treatment, and then hop out without ever paying.

That's why you need competition between insurers (which Obamacare nuked), people's freedom to negotiate any insurer they want for any price they want instead of this ham-fisted approach where it's illegal to not be insured and prices are extremely inflated (thanks to Obamacare), and finally need the individual customer to be the sole financial contributor to his healthcare premiums, instead of this subsidised approach that enables the price hike where employers have to pay thousands of dollars for their employee (thanks to Obamacare).

"Free" shitty care is just shitty care. Useless rubbish which most Americans don't want, because while quality healthcare was expensive, you only paid the bill once.

toothpaste gets it

>competition between insurers

You mean like we have competition between oil companies? That's worked out so well.

Why don't hospitals compete on price? There are 3 really good hospitals within a drive of my house, not a single one advertises how they have lower prices. Not one. They advertise that they have "the best care" but nothing on price.

Just because there are more in the market, doesn't mean they compete in price.

That's very rare. You'd have to be incredibly impoverished for them to allow that, and both your credit and future prospects would be ruined. Having it be "available" but cost astronomically more is an oxymoron. For the average person in the US it's more likely that they simply won't go to the doctor because of the cost of care. If they revealed something as pedestrian as a couple of kidney stones, it can cost thousands of dollars to remove.That is barely accessible for most people, and is prohibitively expensive.

Keep in mind, this penny pinching with someone's actual life is occurring in the wealthiest country in the world. It's honestly mind boggling.

Neither save you money, you ignorant fuck, unless you're a welfare leech.

In (((free))) healthcare, you will most likely either pay more taxes than you use OR rob your children through debt.

Insurance is gambling you don't get sick and you're gambling that you do. Both systems expect you to pay more than you get out.

The only difference is the fact that insurance have to compete (except under obamacare, that nigger) AND they have to worry about saving money, unlike a government who can do whatever the fuck they want because they're the mob with legal rights.

Also, my insurance can't decide my healthcare. They can either try to fight and not cover or drop me. They can't go to the hospital and tell them to cut my terminally ill child loose, unlike the EU.

IIRC Obama made it so a state only has one insurer
Kinda like your internet, why would 2 insurers compete when they never operate in the same market
With regards to hospitals, their price is determined by a myriad of external factors. Odds are that ailment being equal, all of them offer the same treatments at the same prices.

Because hospitals are guaranteed funding , that's why.

Doctor offices are doing exactly what you're describing, pay attention, faggot.

>land where every animal is a giant spider that is designed to do nothing but kill humans
yeah aussies better have good healthcare or else they'd all be dead

Since I was a teenager every fulltime job I've had has offered health insurance, even the lowest paying one (30k)

Because of the way these foreign schmucks chart "availability." Having hospitals in which you have to wait a dozen hours in the lobby just to receive basic treatment never seems to hinder "availability," but picking up some random homeless guy and shunting him into the doctor's office so that they can shrug at his untreatable conditions never fails to drive the "availability" score right up. If they were more objective in how they rated availability, our system would be parallel to theirs. After all, no hospital is entitled to throw out people in the ER and, if you can pay, you'll get treatment WAY faster than in foreign nations. That's on top of the fact that our hospitals are better equipped. But no, we don't busy our doctors with loads of homeless people to treat, so our healthcare is the "worst in the world."

There's an international conspiracy to hold back the healthcare system in the USA so that it fails and gets replaced by universal healthcare. Your proof is that the present healthcare system in the USA is believed by nearly the entire public to be a "free market system". Should you investigate this claim and study the actual legal structure of the healthcare system in the USA, you will find that the claim that the United States has a free market in healthcare is false! Should you thereafter trace that falsehood through the public conscious, you will find something else!

WAAAAY before Obamacare this was a problem. I had a Lithography for a kidney stone in 2008 that cost me $5000 out of pocket (And yes I have insurance) Because they get you with co-pays, deductibles, and specialist that are out of network (that you don't know about until after your procedure)

And Obamacare didn't make it so states have a single insurer (I have several to chose from here in Indiana) But they all suck anyway.

Again, health insurance is basically a ponzi scheme. You are paying one industry to pay another, so profits are skimmed twice.

minorities and extremely poor literal inbred white Appalachian people skew the statistics.

These stats never account for the latinos living in squalor, blacks in the projects or poor crime ridden areas etc.. those are different Americas. It's not just 'one America'. that's an entirely different group with different lifestyles, history, etc. These stats lump it all together and compare it to relatively homogeneous societies as if it's not apples to oranges.

Changing the definition of words again. I can only imagine we have the best doctors and hospitals in the world. Do they mean health insurance?

>Doctor offices
I've never seen a single doctors office talk about lower costs. Outside of dental rackets like Aspen Dental who are basically the payday loans of dentistry.

>In (((free))) healthcare, you will most likely either pay more taxes than you use OR rob your children through debt.

Government in the US spends more per capita on health care than government spends in countries where it's free, though.

And then all of the private expense is on top of that.

Because Hospitals need to look like the lobby of the Ritz Carlton. It helps you heal quicker!

Pic related, this is a hospital near me.

I feel healthier just looking at it.

So I understand you, do you mean we should all be self insuring?

If someone shows up at the ER and can't pay their bills, who do you think ultimately bears the burden of those costs? Conservashits like you are unbelievably fucking stupid.

You know the edgelords are gonna say
>Let the them die, and decrease the surplus population..

If they can't pay their bills then they incur medical debt (very common among debtors) and eventually file for bankruptcy. So eventually the matter gets sorted out through a proper payment schedule over the course of a few years.

Oh look who's.at the fucking top.

You burgers and shit posters constantly ridicule us, yet why are we good at almost everything?

Because we're fucking British.

Kyselves

>text so large that you can barely see the person behind it
>set very far from the top and bottom edges for no reason
>borders around the letters are way too large
>watermarked
Holy shit, that image is abominable. It could only be worse if it were jpg.

If you were a US state, you would have one of the lowest GDP per capita ratings among us. I think that it would be slightly lower than Missouri.

We really need to do a medicare for all system in the US. Companies can offer supplemental coverage as a perk or people can buy their own.

We spend 2x as much as other countries on health care. It's just not sustainable in the long term.

Your shithole country is letting a baby slowly die. You literally have death panels.

No it doesn't. Most personal bankruptcies are chapter 7. Which is the elimination of all debts without payment.

Why do you think hospitals charge $30 for Tylenol? To make up for the people that can't pay their bills.

I don't know that baby so I don't care.

Why is it that you burgers can only argue in GDP and nothing else?
>Big state has bigger GDP
Who would have fucking thunk it?

>To make up for the people that can't pay their bills.

And to soak their customers, don't forget about that part.

all I see is that after 8 years of dr. Baraka Obongo Kitumbe Mboto the USA is still in last. fucking democrat scum losers. they all need to be shot.

What the fuck am i seeing here? So they charge whatever price they want for surgery and supplies, but the other services are affected by government regulations? Or outsourced to providers with lower price points by choice?

>per capita
>per capita
>per capita

Your GDP per anything doesn't matter for much when you examine how in debt the US is does it?

>proper payment schedule
Yes, so when Jamal gets shot in the ghetto and requires ICU for 3 weeks, 4 surgeries and 5 blood transfusions, His mamma is gonna be alright paying that $500,000 dollar medical bill spread over "Eazy payments" of .... 10,000 years.

ʕ•ﻌ•ʔ population Controll /thread

Then make that point first rather that a retard post about the size of states to counter user's per capita argument.

Most people don't realize that medical billing is actually a massive pile of shit. Take the case of the $50 Tylenol. Insurance Company A comes into the hospital and states they can bring in all their insuraed customers but they need to negotiate a rate. The rate is what they pay vs what the hospital charges, if you are bringing 1,000 more possible patients in a month then the hospital is going to give you a discount. So they reach an agreement. The kicker though is the insurance company doesn't want you knowing what they pay nor does the hospital. Furthermore hospitals realize that insurance companies are both needed but also massive drains on their ability to make money. They need the marketing reach and spending power but they hate the concessions they have to make. The hospital also has to price parity on the bill, because the discount isn't public knowledge. Your insurance company will pay $10 or something for that Tylenol, but you will see $50 if you have no insurance because the hospital hopes that you just pay that instead of realizing you can negotiate much less. It's free money to them. If you charge most people $20 and then you tell some fool it's $50 and he pays that, guess what you take it.

Always negotiate your doctor's bills. Every line item. It's a service and they have already provided it in most cases. You should always be negotiating the bill because they contractually have to overcharge you to maintain the concept that insurance companies are desperately needed.

Also pay attention to the bonus structure of your physician, it is all legally required to be public information. when your doctor recommends a new drug to you make sure he isn't getting paid 250k a year in payoffs from that pharmaceutical company. It might be a good idea or just might be a crappy doctor at that point who has a conflict of interest.

thanks obama

Lol nigga we cure diseases they give you free gauze for a shotgun wound and send you off

"developed world"

a completely nonobjective criteria.

since it lets you pick countries that are better than the USA. to then say how bad the USA is.

compare the USA to the G20 nations. this is at least objective.

>Australian government nationalized propaganda media claims Australian healthcare is the best in the world

Meanwhile a study by Marlboro Cigarettes says tobacco is actually good for you and increases the average persons lifespan! Wow, imagine that!

The joke is that hospitals know they won't get that money back so they are able to write the debt off as a loss for tax purposes after inflating the value of the debt.

Just look at burgers, they are fat and inbred, you dont need a study to know they are fucking retarded.

Still pay the most per capita. Sad!

Burgers are so fucking blinded by hate for obama they want to pay even two times more just to stick it to the dumb libruls!!

I've always sort of wondered about that -- when the hospital writes off the loss for non-payers, do they write off their cost or their price?

Like can they deduct the full $50 loss when someone doesn't pay for tylenol, or are they limited to the tenth of a cent they actually paid for it?

>In reality, Australians pay more in cash out of our pockets that's not reimbursed than almost any other country in the world. Public hospitals are bursting at the seams. Private health premiums keep going up. We pay for procedures, tests and doctor visits rather than care and good outcomes.

abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/can-australian-health-care-be-saved/6969426

Time to name the (((researchers))).

Our liberals are so blinded by their hatred of the rich that they want to socialize medicine and still pay 2x what others do.

You're right, but most personal bankruptcies aren't filed until long after the debt is incurred. Even then, people can only file for chapter 7 bankruptcies when they can prove that they need to. Medical debts are therefor only discharged upon necessity, and only after having quite a bit of money funneled towards the hospital. The reason that drug prices are so high is because drug companies have a hand in the government's pocket.

Well imagine my shock

That wouldn't be the case if they actually had insurance. Besides, I don't understand what you're really insinuating. Should doctors just work for free?

I think how we practice medicine is the problem, not access to healthcare. Americans do not assume responsibility for their health. We are drunk on pills for everything. Stop depending on big pharma to fix everything because you are a lazy fat ass, who can't cope with life.

Democrats' "affordable car act" didn't make anything cheaper. All it did was increase numbers of people on welfare, make people buy expensive subsidized and high deductible insurance, and make everyone else buy more expensive plans.

even if you have medicare or an ACA plan. you have to still find someone that will take it.

the democrats rushed it because they wanted to give obama a "progressive legacy" beyond being the first mulatto president. they also might have intentionally released a bad product to get it to fail. thinking they could later use the failure as justification for putting everyone on medicare.

I think we should do like Japan. Which is the same Bismark Model like the ACA. Yet it is taken to the extreme. Everything in the medical industrial complex is forced to be non profit and doctor run. the government mandates the prices. if you don't get employer insurance and cannot afford to buy into a local commmunity based plan. then the government pays for your plan. Japan spends less than half per person compared to the USA. while having a much healthier population.

though holding out for such a drastic change in medical care laws. would have required political will not present in the modern american politician.

Your NHS is billions in the red, and always in the news for lack of doctors and facilities.

It's called a trade-off, do you think those resources put towards keeping good boy Jamal above ground are just magically compensated for in a socialized system?

Someone always shoulders the burden, either it piles up and the whole system collapses or Jamal's po' mama pays it off in installments until she can't or doesn't have to anymore, either way the financial burden is diffused

The former. They bill you 50 and record 50 as revenue, but when you don't pay they reverse those transaction. Tax-wise, there is no gain for the hospital. They will still record a loss for materials and labor, and will get a small tax benefit from that.

Are you insinuating that we as Australians pay 10% of our income to cover Medicare or just speaking about Ireland?

Because if so you are literally underaged or earn less than $21 grand a year, or are clinically retarded.