Hey Sup Forums
My friends I were talking about Net Neutrality when it occurred to us that none of us knew what the fuck Net Neutrality actually was.
So what is "Net Neutrality" exactly?
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Parker Cook
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Tyler Russell
Telecom engineer here. It's basically nothing but scare tactics.
Juan Scott
This. A law looking for a problem.
Ian Wilson
Faggots will be here to screech and yell shill shortly.
Henry Fisher
To elaborate. People are saying corporations will buddy up with ISPs and make you pay extra for certain services. Think an extra 5$ per month to use Facebook and YouTube on top of your current internet. QoS is a thing in telecom infrastructure but it prioritized VoIP and emergency services over standard traffic on a shared line. On top of that many fiber owners lease their fibers to ISPs but give themselves priority already. Not to mention those who already pay extra for faster internet already get more priority over the same "internet pipe"
We have fibers than can transmit 64 Tb/s commercially and Pb/s traffic has been achieved. Again it's nothing. ATT are cunts tho because they don't like people who stream/torrent.
Easton Murphy
It's a government monopoly on the internet.
Jacob Long
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Brody Barnes
Basically, they want to make sure that businesses lile AT&T can't have affinity relationships with other businesses like Facebook. Why? because HURDUR THE INTERNET IS FOR EVERYONE.
Private businesses need to be allowed to compete without excessive restrictions.
Isaac Collins
Well put, but you and I are just Jew shills.
Austin Robinson
Government wanting to take more control over something.
Tyler White
How true is this. From what I've seen, there are actually 2 versions of NN. The one that is at risk is the Obama 2015 Net Neutrality. The other is Network Neutrality. It is actually a good thing the current Obama version is being removed?
Dylan Gonzalez
That's exactly what they will do, and already did do:
>2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it. cnet.com
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. fortune.com
2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. wired.com
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. businessinsider.com
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. washingtonpost.com
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money. freepress.net
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place. savetheinternet.com
pcworld.com
Robert Martinez
Why not archive?
>wired com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge
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>businessinsider com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12
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>washingtonpost com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
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Easton Nelson
More examples
Easton Ward
Based fucking Norway.
Landon Perez
In South Korea they don't have net neutrality protection, guess what happens?
Christian Anderson
It's what we have right now and always have had ever since we had the Internet. It's what allowed the internet grow as a neutral market place that no single entity can control.
Julian Rivera
government overreach
Samuel Cox
How realistic will it be in the future, that people who want to live stream will be required to apply for a broadcasting licence. I seen some shady shit about it for EU countries.
Ayden Butler
The most expensive bandwidth costs correspond directly to countries without net neutrality:
Hudson Russell
More Corporate or More Government. Easier to fight a corporate than a government. In my experience
Blake Scott
Based fucking leaf.
Grayson Gutierrez
Without net neutrality and with the current ISP monopolies - 100% chance
The internet will turn into cable television. The ISP's are the same companies currently running cable television.
People arguing against Net Neutrality are in essence arguing FOR the news networks like CNN.
Pointedly you almost never see the anti-NN advocates in favor of breaking up the monopolies and introducing laws to prevent them re-purchasing market monopolies, and just the idea of "introducing laws to prevent monopolies" would be seen as "evil market regulation". Meanwhile ignoring that the actual evil market regulation are the laws and contracts being purchased by the ISP's to prevent competition in the first place.
If you think Net Neutrality is dumb - well fine, but let's break up the monopolies and prevent them from reforming FIRST. Then maybe we can start a discussion on Net Neutrality afterwards.
Landon Sanchez
In my experience, no it's easier to fight a government. Especially in the US.
Americans have the Constitution. If the FCC or FTC start censoring the internet, Americans have legal recourse. The state would have to go full totalitarian to censor the internet (and if they do - they'd be able to do so if it were corporate controlled ANYWAYS).
Whereas if the corporations control the internet, and they all collude together and price fix. You're shit out of luck because without Net Neutrality, that is now legal.
Then just take a look at the various color revolutions in the middle east - in spite of massive government censorship and crackdowns, the various revolts, rebels, and terrorists were still able to communicate over internet infrastructure. That's not going to happen anymore if the internet is re-centralized and put in the hands of a couple corporations the way cable TV is.
And speaking of cable TV: Anyone who's been on Sup Forums for more than a couple months is well aware of the collusion going on in the back rooms between the "news" and the government. Corporate ownership and control of the internet is virtually identical to government control and ownership, except you have no legal recourse under the constitution if you start being censored.
Wyatt Clark
t. communist leaf
Ayden Lopez
buzz words
a solution looking for a problem to fix
Andrew Barnes
I don't like the idea of broadcasting licence for random people that want to live stream. This fucks over the little guy without a fan base to support the cost of the licence, and also opens up a door to silence people guilty of wrong think.
Xavier Moore
Net Neutrality isn't communism, in spite of it being a common buzzword for the corporate shills to use.
Oh my god, you mean you have to give people what they fucking paid for? COMMUNISM!!!
Adrian Reyes
If Net Neutrality passes we will never see amerifaggots on Sup Forums ever again. YES! Pass it!
Kevin Garcia
If you don't like it, you're gonna have to look into doing something about it, because at some point net neutrality is going to be stripped away and the corporations put in control of what you can see/read/think/hear online.
This ALREADY HAPPENED to Sup Forums the last time there were protests about net neutrality [See image]
Jonathan Johnson
Net Neutrality is the principle that 'all bits are equal', in terms of how they are transmitted. That there shall be no prioritization of data packets based on their source or destination.
It is and always has been the rule, as long as the internet has existed, mostly because there wasn't much obvious way for ISPs to benefit from breaking it. This changed when independent VOIP and streaming video services started competing directly with services run by the ISPs, and the ISPs responded by blocking them out. They got shut down by the FCC for violating net neutrality. They sued on legal technicalities and won, but in response, under near-universal public demand, FCC created new, stricter, legally unimpeachable rules fully declaring ISPs as Title 2 'Common Carriers' (declaring 'The Internet' a public resource).
The only people who stand to benefit from the repeal of Net Neutrality are the handful of regional monopoly mega-ISPs like Verizon and Comcast. They will use the freedom to further suppress would-be competitors and to create new sources of rent income (shaking down independent websites and services for 'rent').
There are contrarian faggots here doing free shilling against Net Neutrality, very carefully ignoring the fact that it is and always has been the status quo as long as the internet has existed.
Dominic Robinson
You wouldn't see americans because the entire internet would be virtually dead.
The drop in users and increase in hosting costs would kill off most small websites. God help you if you're hosting the same kind of website your ISP is and competing directly with them, because now they're going to throttle the fuck out of you and increase bandwidth costs just to crush you out of the market.
There is NOTHING "free market" about repealing Net Neutrality.
Elijah Rogers
>People are coming to expose me, better pack in as much high-density shilling as possible.
Lincoln Williams
>Consumes more energy
>Wants to pay the same as someone that consumes less
Nathaniel Cooper
Just to be clear: Net Neutrality has de facto been law pretty much since the internet started. (It had to be for the internet to even work)
Starting in 2015, Net Neutrality is now de jure (by law), and not just de facto and corporations pinky swear they won't break it.
So we've been under Net Neutrality rules for some 20+ years now, which everyone followed, and under legally enforceable Net Neutrality for 2 years because some of the ISP's started to break the rules, and the sky still hasn't fallen.
If you like how the internet works right now, you should be in favor of Net Neutrality.
Dominic Diaz
But what can anyone realistically do, aside from cancelling their service from their ISP in protest?
Lucas Rivera
Lobby government for Net Neutrality protections
Lobby government to bring anti-trust cases against ISP Monopolies
Lobby Government for laws to prevent network monopolies
File Lawsuits against ISP's
Cancel your service with any ISP that is trying to repeal Net Neutrality
And for information purposes only please don't do this it's illegal you'd be breaking the law:
Bring physical violence against the corporations and executives
Josiah Smith
>has access to entire internet
>does not know what something is
>asks on Sup Forums
Juan Baker
And I should add:
Inform other people how net neutrality works:
- Why we have NN in the first place
- How the ISP's have broken NN rules in the past
- What NN actually does
- What happens in countries without NN rules
- Why we have ISP monopolies in the first place, and how they got there
- etc. etc.
There's tons of evidence, examples, information. The more people who understand Net Neutrality, the better.
Caleb Ward
If it's the government that is taking away NN, they are the last people who will listen to us about putting it back into place.....
No need to punch out random employees though, money talks, if enough people just call up their ISP and cancel something might change.
Mason Garcia
100% this. It pains me that Sup Forums has been brainwashed into believing otherwise.
Bullshit like this comes without any explanation and gains support from anti government folk. It's not a position an informed person takes.
Please educate yourselves and take the right stance.
Joshua Ross
Let's all stop driving because of gasoline tax too while we're at it.
I might as well shut off the heat to my house because of carbon taxes too.
Adam Edwards
I dont know but hiroshima nagasaki told me its necessary or we may all get banned so we need it.
David Torres
>If it's the government that is taking away NN, they are the last people who will listen to us about putting it back into place.....
It's not quite "the government" taking it away.
What's happening is the guy Trump put in charge of the FCC is a bought-and-paid for pajeet who used to work for the big ISP's. He wants to repeal Net Neutrality for their sake. (And it's very likely the same guy would've been put in place under Clinton).
However, half the tech sector relies on an open and free internet for their services to function - google, microsoft, yahoo, apple, etc. etc. so there's at least some hope of these businesses fighting to preserve net neutrality rules, and likely if NN does get repealed, they'll pursue a lawsuit, since repealing NN could seriously damage their entire industry.
But the ideal case would be destroying the market monopolies in the first place. That's what is REALLY needed to fix this problem. Second to that I'd like to see NN enshrined in law by congress, but first and foremost the market monopolies need to go.
Christopher Butler
Doesn't Trump have to sign this thing at the end for it to remove the current NN. And how does this effect Canada, do we have our own version of FCC, or will this automatically effect us too.
Kayden Perez
The US basically sets the standard for the world. Once the US repeals it, ISP's in other countries with dollar signs for eyes are going to try it as well.
Canada doesn't have Net Neutrality, just vague wishy washy wording that wouldn't hold up in any courtroom and pretends to be NN.
Speaking of which:
cbc.ca
This is yet another example of what happens when your internet isn't actually protected by Net Neutrality.
>Be on strike
>Want to visit union websites
>lol no fuck you we don't have to let you do that
Anyone who tries to tell you that corporations wouldn't start censoring the internet without NN protection is a fucking liar.