"don't hurt others"

>"don't hurt others"
>why?
>because would you want someone to hurt you?
Why do people act like this makes sense?

I agree OP

It made sense when there was still a cohesive culture.

How about
>if you hurt others but end up failing to remove their capacity for retaliation, you are fucked

The categorical imperative and every damn theory of secular morality that's come from it? You're correct, it's not a good argument for selfish, solipsistic people. In this case, there's an argument that appeals to vanity such that you make out as if kind people are better and that because they're so selfish they'd rather present themselves as kind than cruel.

>what if they don't actually care about their identity?
So they're horrible people who think they're the only consciousness that matters? Yeah, that's about when you got the rope and trash Stirners name through history.

Because it allows for a cohesive society to progress culturally and technologically while maintaining it's cultural and racial integrity, something a parasitic entity like yourself clearly has no interest in and this is why you will you be gassed.

why would you present yourself as kind if your position of power allows you to boast your cruelty or if you enjoy challenging the spook of "karma"?

Most human achievement is because of cooperation. Cooperation requires a degree of selflessness and empathy.

There is a reason most successful societies/civilizations follow this trend (i.e. laws, ethics, societal norms, charity, councils/parliaments/congresses, etc.)

You CAN hurt people, OP. You just can't bitch and moan when someone does the same shit to you. That's all

of course genocidal western civilization required cooperation (i.e. obedience) to profitably enslave the test of mankind

I don't hurt others because it's the dick thing to do, OP.

Point still stands.

No man is an island.

Hypocrisy is evil and evil is hypocrisy.

Because power isn't forever and spookbusting spooks that keep you alive is itself a spook. There's nothing wrong with spooks when they're in your interests.

Out spook the spooks.

They will reduce you to the lowest common denominator and expect you to follow their lead.

Can't change my mind.

actually by bitching one can attempt to manipulate those imbecile enough to be impressed by words and principles; indeed the very point of words and principle is to have others do our bidding

Intentionally hurt others and see how far it gets you

Because no one likes cruel people?

You either get the categorical imperative or you get appeals to your vanity or you get religion. Pick one, nothing else actually works. Not even setting up legal systems works.

it makes, you deserve what you give, if you treat people like shit then you have no right to complain when they treat you the same

Cooperation can be in ones selfe interest.

>started committing petty crime and cheating on my gf since reading Stirner

help

of course there's nothing wrong with useful spooks, that's why we conveniently manipulate the herd - still doesn't make the exploitation of other sentients less profitable; if non-human sentients and communists think they are able to turn the tables let them come forward; still doesn't make piggies being transformed into sausage and children dying in coltan mines less convenient

There is no objective reason because there is no objective morality.

But if you want to coexist with someone, it would be good if you could mutually agree not to hurt each other because neither of you want to be hurt.

And if you don't want to coexist with people, go ahead and hurt them. But don't be surprised if our system that we put in place because most of us don't want to be hurt has a punishment for you breaking it.

yeah but then you look like a little bitch with unbased complaints to anyone over 95IQ, but enjoy impressing niggers and women I guess

*sigh* + *yawn* = zion.

Get used to it.

Stirner was an autistic shitposter in rl. The basic premise of having legal systems is that you make illegal the things people generally don't want to happen to themselves by account of others vices.

>Hurt someone else without destroying them utterly
>They survive
>Track you down and hurt you far worse than you hurt them

Or

>Hurt someone, utterly destroying them
>They have friends, family, or a tribe
>Their friends, family or tribe hunt you down and destroy you

Men are not islands. Society and order are based on implicit and explicit displays of violence. Commit violence, receive violence. The danger of an extremely large state is that the people responsible for perpetrating acts of violence (lawmakers, politicians) are held unaccountable due to the apparatus of bureaucracy that surrounds and protects them.

What does that have to do with anything?

>DEGREE of selflessness

You can't be 100% selfish AND cooperate. They're diametrically opposed positions. All of our actions are selfish (i.e. survival of either our person, legacy, progeny, ideas, etc.).

>But don't be surprised if our system that we put in place because most of us don't want to be hurt has a punishment for you breaking it.
Spooked as fuck.

>Why do people act like this makes sense?
Nigger if you hurt someone what do you think they're going to do? Apologize and run away? Suck your dick? They'll lash out back at you. If you kill them, everyone that knows is going to be suspicious that you'll kill them too, so they'll want to lynch you before you get them. It's basic fucking logic you stupid fucking fakeflagger.

>still doesn't make the exploitation of other sentients less profitable
As I said, power isn't forever. Go look up Rawls' veil of ignorance.

if communists and anti-speciesists think power isn't forever let them come forward; their current powerlessness still makes piggies ma de into sausage and children dying in coltan mines profitable; of course there's nothing wrong with useful spooks, that's why we conveniently manipulate the herd

When you hurt others you are hurting yourself and your lineage, you need to read the Bible.

You need empathy or you end up like africa or the middle east

>if communists and anti-speciesists think power isn't forever let them come forward
You think it is? Don't you remember 1917?

bitching is useful when you can impress idiots to feel empathy, think of the jews

>Why do people act like this makes sense?

Because you need to uphold a reliable reputation, in order for the people with reliable reputation to cooperate and assist you.

If you act as a selfish asshole who refuses to play by the rules and respect others, you will be alone and you will be against the whole group of people too - which means that you are guaranteed to fail and lose.

Empathy is code for faggotry.

Connect the dots, have a seizure, come out a homosexual.

That's what they're trying to do anyway.

Sending me mixed messages here.
Are you high?

>standing on anything as a principle is a spook
And this is exactly why Stirner is a retarded philosopher for bottom-of-the-barrel invalids. His worldview is an inherent contradiction.
>"The divine is God's concern, the human, man's. Mine is neither. Only myself."
>"Oh but wait you want to defend yourself if I try to kill you? Fuckin spook"

Sending me mixed messages here.
Are you high?

>lineage
Why do you let arbitrary human constructs control your life?

Whoa edgelord.
People who aren't autistic tend to have empathy for family and people actually close to them, like people you grow up with.

Dude, you're high as fuck right now aren't you?

All I said is that you can't act surprised or shocked when someone does the same thing to you that you did to them. And you just start talking about manipulating other people based on emotions. If anything you can manipulate people by showing them that you're better than the other person.

too bad most of those who complain are victims of innocent suffering while those who benefit from their oppression prosper

Lets just say I spook'd everyone I cared about away with the JQ.

>There's nothing wrong with spooks when they're in your interests.

Then why are most Stirnerfags commies? Checkmate, spooked fags.

Genetics aren't a human construct, retard.

What don't you get?

Its the basis of common sense you Machiavellian chimpanzee.

I bet you still give people presents or wish the well on their birthday.

>don't hurt others
>why?
>because people will hurt you back

which rewards are promised to those handicapped by empathy preventing them to freely enjoy tasty sausage made from suffering life?

it makes sense in regards to upholding the social contract for your own selfish benefit. If you're known as the guy that hurts people it makes you a target to be hurt by others. Keeping the peace and basically living by the "golden rule" means you're less likely to encounter hostility or be victimized, although by no means does it make you immune to such things. Basically it's the difference between putting a target on your back or not.

From a moral perspective though I agree with you, there's nothing wrong with crushing others remorselessly, it's not inherently "wrong" or anything like that. Like I said not doing so is strictly out of self-interest - if you find opportunities where your long term self-interest is better served by hurting others rather than upholding the social contract then by all means go for it.

the real question is: why did you choose stirner to represent your shitpost

You give them an inch and they'll ruin your life.

Read Marx faggot.

Communism will not be implemented because it is right, but because it is the inevitable result of the structural contradictions of capitalism. The exploitation of the working class is not "wrong," it is merely not in the interests of the workers, to whom Marx speaks.

>it's a retard tries to criticise something he knows nothing about and only manages to shit himself

I'm not even a fukken Marxist and I know this much.

well our accomplices in oppression aren't the same thing as our victims, that's how we can enjoy with our lovers a steak made of sentient suffering or cheap things made by enslaved featherless bipeds

If the suffering of your own mother is, to you, "tasty sausage," then you should do us all a favor and kill yourself.

Your slave morality is a spook.

It makes sense because people who don't understand this (and I do mean understand and not just comprehend) were fucking EXECUTED.

BRING BACK THE GALLOWS

Place holder number 6.

It only does not make sense to mentally ill ancaps

>The dialectical process totally works guise
LOL, why does this shit persist?

maybe anti-speciesist consciousness will ultimately prevail (i don't think so since we are on the verge of extinction and future generation won't enjoy what we did) - yet life is short and we have been lucky enough to enjoy steaks made of suffering life!

Lucky number everyday of the week.

>it is merely not in the interests of the workers

Your own Marxist theories are spooks in themselves. 2spoopy

Infinity.

>implying i have a morality
Nothing here but us spooks.

Because people are dumb, tbqh. Marx was writing a hundred and fifty years ago. College liberals need to move on. There's way more promising modern socialist theory.

Pretty much. I think what we'll see over the next few decades is a levelling out of living standards. Most of the world will be levelling up but we will be levelling down. Still, it was fun while it lasted. This will be remembered as our golden age.

Anything that's not solipsism is spookism, tbqh. And even solipsism is a spook because how do you know that you are not a new consciousness who has just inherited the memories of the last consciousness and believes yourself to be a continuous consciousness, progressing unwittingly toward your own death whereupon your memories will be subsumed into a new consciousness.

How do you know you don't die every time you go to sleep and a new person wakes up every morning?

Now that is spooky, and not in the Stirner sense.

Autism is one hell of a disease

I feel like ancaps are the only ones truly living by this

Place holder number 9.

of course i am not "shocked" when others aren't handicapped by empathy and harm me, still empathy makes them more liable to be manipulated, that's how jews playing the victim profitably works

the strong preys on the weak, is a basic law.

Wouldn't you be surprised that autism is caused by psychological projection.

People can be programmed very subtly.

Free will is a joke, these people really want you to remain slaves.

>empathy makes them more liable to be manipulated
It also provides a collective defence though.

>There's way more promising modern socialist theory.
Scoff. Socialists still haven't solved the calculation problem because they don't even understand capital.

Read "From Marx to Mises" for a summary of this debate.

>if you do bad things it changes your genetics
???

>Socialists still haven't solved the calculation problem
Market economy.

Yes that's right, your retardation is all in your head

So you're not talking about socialism then, but likely a form of interventionism (which has its own problems). I still don't see any new ideas here

I am immune, you are not.

nana nana boo boo.

stick your head in doo doo.

im rubber your glue

everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you

sorry i have to be so childish

im just echoing your rhetoric

He's right though

SOmeone spookpill me

i am extremely happy with having people ready to die for my interests, make no mistake - good dogs are useful and won't even notice others are comfortably profiting from their efforts (idiotic max stirner never noticed we need spooks - like rewards in the afterlife for those who live according to virtue - in order to make up for the fact not everybody is born like a dog innately bred to serve without asking for a price)

and so am i.

we can all be right until theres nothing left.

good night ol chap.

Shush.

Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. Worker-owned co-ops competing in a market economy is still socialism.

>no it isn't!
Why not? What element of the definition of socialism does it fail to meet?

I think you say it isn't socialism because it HAS to not be socialism or otherwise you'd be wrong on an anonymous imageboard on the internet.

The real worthless piece of shit is the one who uses and manipultes the ones who actually have the ability to feel empathy. If you are harmed at least you have the mental fortitude to know that you are the better man in the situation

Not my argument.

>le i am the puppetmaster all according to keikaku
I bet you're a NEET who thinks that deceiving Centrelink is a masterful heist and not the simple fact that catching you people costs more than just paying you your welfare.

Just read the ego and his own, and Stirner's Critics if you read the prior and aren't too brainlet to pic up on the ideology

why do ancaps continuously make some of the dumbest posts around?
starting to think it's all just leafs shitposting behind a new flag

you understand there is no evidence for otherworldly rewards for better men as opposed to worse men (although we might try to manipulate people by appealing to a worldly "karma" since many are gullible enough not to be able to notice the daily sight of the suffering of the just prosperity of the wicked)

You're a grand puppet master. The world just dances at the end of your fingertips.

Or a literal sociopath. But those are rare, and I doubt it.

Worker-owned co-ops is covered by the book. This isn't new, so take that shush and shove it up your ass.

Syndicalism is older than either of us, and it always quickly devolves into either fixed prices (non-real prices) unless they are allowed to fail

couldn't sleep had another thing to say

currently economics doesn't financially compensate originality

capitalism

i could be worth a trillion dollars... to someone else.

Stirner is the deviantart of philosophy. All you need to know. Everything he wrote reads off like a 16 year olds Myspace blog.

VIOLATION OF CATEGORICAL IMPERATIVE HAS BEEN DETECTED

>there is no objective morality.
Entirely, utterly false. Morality is as objective as the physical laws that govern the universe, because it's based on those same laws.

>muh originality is valuable despite nobody wants to buy it
fuck off