Lets settle this once and for all

Lets settle this once and for all.
Who is to blame?

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those fucking beady eyed anglo scum i hate them so much give me back my empire nigel

you are to blame because you won't do anything about it, faggot.

Austria-Hungary to be honest. You can't have a trillion ethnicities in your country and not expect chimping out, and then once it inevitably happens, you don't make an unreasonable ransom list that expires in a couple days. Serbia's innocent of Princip, Russia was defending Serbia and had to mobilize, Germany had a defensive alliance, France as well, and UK had to keep Belgium safe. None of that matters anyways, the kikes are our main issue now.

I blame Germany.
When you don't know who to blame, you can always blame it all on Germany.

It was Germany. They were egging on AH to seek a military solution instead of diplomatic the entire time. Germany was also causing all the tension in Europe by randomly getting involved in affairs that didn't affect them, like the Moroccan crises in which the Kaiser went there in person and proclaimed that he would save Morocco from the French even though Germany had no interests there, causing a diplomatic crisis.

>France for wanting revenge, always butthurt, wanting Alsace-Lorraine, giving Russia the OK for war, Poincarré extreme anti-German hater and butthurt to the max
>Russia for pan-slav idea, wanted to extent territory, wanted straights, already planned for war ~1917, just started sooner than expected, mobilized first when "mobilization means war" at that time
>Britain needed to crush Germany's economy, similar to France, both got BTFO'd hard by Germany's industrial strength, Navy already waiting and ready to blockade, could have simply given a notice to France and Russia saying "we won't join the war" and the other two would have backed the fuck off
>Austria Hungary for being a multi ethnic shithole and going full retard against Serbia. For them, it was do or die anyway, the empire would have crumbled with war
>Germany for... well they mobilized last, were the fastest and initiated a first strike through Belgium, that was necessary when you have to fight on two fronts. They could have said "fuck off" to Austria in order to get them to back off but would be a stupid move when you are surrounded by 3-4 possible enemies. You don't tell "piss off" to your only ally in that situation
>Italy being a shitty ally and going full "ital ital" again, being opportunistic as fuck

In the end Germany had it all, strongest economy, deal with the Ottomans for epic railway including resources and oil (which became very very important for Britain due to ships switching from coal to oil and increasing range x5), also railway meant much faster resource and troop transport to asia compared to Britain. With peace, Germany would have BTFO'd them all through economic strength, trade deals and access to resources (were allowed like 20 miles next to the bagdad railway to get all the resources there, massive oil field to be found in the future).

It was basically a must for Britain, France and Russia to go to war against Germany to not drift into economic insignificance.

In addition, the Jews were pro German as fuck so the US was also not in an anti German stance. Some minor diplomatic schemes were not as relevant as many point them out to be, it was mostly about economy, just like WW2 and nearly every other war since WW1. Taking/stealing markets, crushing economies etc.

Germany should have slowed down their Ship production though, while Britain can not play world police and dictate how many ships another country is allowed to have, it was still a stupid move by Germany. In the end, Germany should have focused even more on it, especially submarines, in order to bleed the Island dry during war, which they nearly succeded already anyway.

Russia. They decided to protect an irrelevant country like Serbia just to spite the Austrians and expected a European war with Germany as the outcome. The Russo-French alliance is what started WW1. Russia was the first to mobilize and the German ambassador begged them to stop.

Austria dindu nuffin

austria

>blaming an entire nation for the will of their ruling classes and one autistic Serb

It's the nazis fault.

Serbia was funding terrorism for decades though.

Jews should be the only answer

Germany shouldn't have gone beyond the NGF. Prussia snatching the southern German states really upset the balance of power.

Britain for sure. There was no need to escalate what was just an extended Franco-Prussian war part II into a world war. Also allies were objectively the baddies in wwi.

Serbia.

Fucking gangster uncivilised ex-turkostate.

The eternal anglo - the biggest enemy of the white race and western culture - playing their (((useful idiot))) since the late 19th century.

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>anglo

Jews

>Anglo
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> to seek a military solution instead of diplomatic the entire time
Maybe because your foreign minister made a group of "non-involved nations" and invited
>Germany
>France
>Italy
>GB
It's to be noted that Italy was against Austria here, cause they didn't want them to gain more influence in the region.
So really GB made a "Neutral" group with 3 entente powers, who were anti Austria and Germany. Gee, I wonder why they weren't cooperative

>Balance of Power
You mean the concept devised by the British to keep rule over the rest of the world?

At least they managed to keep stability.

Every time you became powerful you ruined it for the entire European race and indeed the entire world.

What the fuck kind of excuse is that?
Face it, the german emperor was a major autist and taught germany could beat France and Russia is a fairly short war without England getting involved and turning the whole thing in the largest war known to man at that point. Sort of simmiular to how ww2 went.

>allies were objectively the baddies in WWI
this desu, the end of monarchies on mainland Europe was possibly the worst event in recent history.

>When Germany gets power

Bullshit, the allies were objectivley the good guys. If the germans hadn't sperget out and started the war the monarchies would still be around. Not to mention, Russia could have been a constitutional monarchy or democracy it Germany hadn't sent Lenin over.

Yeah, why wouldn't a country be into a deal that is basically 3 to 1 against the interests of their ally.
Especially if you know, that one of those people negotiating hate your guts and the other two are on its side.

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nothing personel kid

You're missing the french flag
It is 100% fault if the French and English

>Plunging Europe into decades of religious war
You mean the war, that was fought almost entirely on German soil by basically all major power because they wanted power and that cost Germans 1/3 of their population? You mean that protestantism that was happily taken over by the British?
>Karl Marx
You mean the guy who was prosecuted and silenced in Germany and sought in Britain publishing his ideas there?
>Wilhelm II.
>declared the First World War
That is just plain wrong.

Because the alternative is to start a world war wich you will probably loose, and all of that for what? not even german land.
Serbia's sittuation was just a pretext, Germany just wanted to throw it's weight around. Not the fault of the german people of course, since Bismark for example would have been againts something so stupid, but you shouldn't defend what Germany did.

>It's Germany's fault for telling their vassel that they should find a military solution to a dispute on their own clay
Go fuck yourself scum

>Also allies were objectively the baddies in wwi

How were they not in WWII as well?

Then we can blame the French and Americans, considering they started this anti monarchy stance.

Fuck them!

Fuck off coward.

You won in the end, Europe is yours and we just know you're having a lot of fun destroying it. We're not going to stop you a third time, enjoy it! Enjoy destroying historic European nations, enjoy flooding them with rape and nigs. Enjoy it, it's what you've always wanted and by Christ you've got it! You've got what you've always wanted.

Every European nation to be as shit as yours is. Well done Hanz ibn Heinz Ketchup al Jihad bin Al Qaeda bin Sausages. You won!

MUH HERRY!!!!!

Yeah we “send“ Lenin over

>the allies were objectivley the good guys
>the monarchies would still be around

You mean the allies, completely subverted by (((democracy))) and (((central banking))) already? The ones pushing for liberalism since 1700? They were objectively the good guys? Fkn lmao.

>Germany hadn't sent Lenin over.
Germany? I hope you mean the chief of German intelligence, and wealthy Banker Max (((Warburg))), who's brother gave the Idea for the Federal Reserve, who later owned the IG Farben is generally known for being one of the big war profiteers. Also one supporting the Bolshevik revolution like his capitalist counterpart in the US, Jacob (((Schiff)))? I wonder (((who))) could be behind the scheme of sending (((Lenin))).

Newfags like you really need to be cleansed.

Rothschilds paid the black hand
You are responsible

Hmmm they demanded the dismantling of a neighbouring state whose government had no connection to the terrorist who shot Franz Ferdinand, hardly their own territory

>Austria
They knew the Serbs wouldn't accept their ultimatum because it was unreasonable but went ahead anyway.

>germans started WWI

literally what

>coward
Make sense you Anglo cuck

> a dispute on their own clay
no, it was on Serbian land

Also don't forget that Princip, the assassin, met with (((Trostky))) in Lausanne/Switzerland. The kikes/commies/money lenders had their hand everywhere. The money lenders made sure to crush the monarchies, conquer markets, enslave the people with bought and paid for democracy.

He's a MUH HERRYTAGE Ameridiabetes, what did you honestly expect?

Coward German scum, die like your ancestors. We killed them, we'll kill you too! Easily, sharter.

>Mainland Europe
>Any business of the English
If you had shut your gob and just let the people deal with their own problems your empire would still never have the sun set upon it

But Serbs accepted their ultimatum.

Germans

>Serbian clay
>Not defacto Austria-Hungsry clay in denial
>You killed my ancestors
Not in that war you didn't, all my family was in America by the 1840's
And you didn't kill shit in that war, you mostly did the dying not the killing

>whose government had no connection to the terrorist who shot Franz Ferdinand

Fkn Lmao. High ranking Black Hand members were also high ranking members in the Serbian government. This shit is known since 1925.

>Mainland Europe
>>Any business of the English

>Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia
>Any business of the Amerimexicanos
If you had shut your gob and just let the people deal their own problems your empire would still never have the sun set upon it

It wouldn't have been our business if Germany hadn't consistently been provoking us and the French

>Yeah we “send“ Lenin over
That's literally what happened.
>You mean the allies, completely subverted by (((democracy))) and (((central banking))) already? The ones pushing for liberalism since 1700? They were objectively the good guys? Fkn lmao.
Yes, they were at leas better than germany since they didn't weaken Europe and it's monarchies with a world war.

>Germany? I hope you mean the chief of German intelligence
Yes, so germany. If he was a kike that's not really an excuse.

That's literally what happened. Who else do you think started it?

I killed and raped your entire lineage you anglo bitch slag. You're my whore now! I own you, I own your whore women too.

You die slow painful death for me, your daddy. You little bitch.

That doesn't mean the government authorised the assassination

>Not defacto Austria-Hungsry clay in denial
So you admit the germans started the war and got what they deserved.

>MUH HERRYTAGE
By that definition so are you since no single European can confidently say that they have any realtion to anyone before The Great War as you're all cucks

No gratitude after we intervened in the greatest war in history just to protect Belgium

the western incest pol of royalties and the masons

the jews and the serbs

>Yes, they were at leas better than germany since they didn't weaken Europe and it's monarchies with a world war.

The Allies, the democracies, the ones who finally wanted to destroy the monarchies, were the good guys because for some arbitrary reason I cant put my finger on I just blame another monarchy for weakening the monarchies.

On how many layers of mental gymnastics are you on? You know so little about the topic at hand that you should go fuck yourself and never come back.

Is this supposed to be an argument relevant at all? When half your government is also a secret society planning terrorist acts for several years already, assassinating people left and right, it is literally unimportant of the remaining, non terrorist members of the government knew about this.

And while the government might not have authorized the assassination, they still crawled into the ass of Russia and taking a "we dindu nuffin" stance thinking all will go well as long as I trust Russia to fuck everybody else up.

England

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We are the world superpower
You were not
Kek such bullshit. You provoked that war along with the frogs because you were butthurt that they were showing both of you up on the world stage and you couldn't stand becoming irrelevant
How's your daughter Wesley? Hamid making sure she's on the pill first?
No they did not

>we provoked the war
It wasn't us who was building up our army and navy, putting all our neighbours on alert, and starting pointless diplomatic crises to test the resolve of the Entente

>The Allies, the democracies
Russia was not a democracy, and would still be a monarchy is it weren't for the war, same thing with Germany probably, thus spearing eastern europe of communism.
>just blame another monarchy for weakening the monarchies
But that's what germany did, they started the war, do you deny this?
>On how many layers of mental gymnastics are you on?
I should ask you this. Germany is cancer.

>It wasn't us who was building up our army and navy,

>t. lets ignore reality

Right, britain not building up their army/navy when they literally have the policy to have a certain ratio of ships compared to #2. Britain dindu. I can see how that narrative works if you ignore reality.

>inb4 see, we were forced to rearm.

I don't think you understand the dynamics involved in creating the empire in the first place. Balance and antagonism on the continent was needed to ensure specific powers did not dominate. Historically this has always been the standard line of British diplomacy.

Well we were forced to rearm since Germany started a naval race which threatened our national security. Having a strong navy wasn't essential for German independence, while the navy for us was literally our life support.

Meanwhile we had an army of around 700,000 before the war while Germany had around 4,200,000

>they started the war

You are a person that blames the start of WW1 on literally one country... why would anyone actually think you are worth listening to? I repeat myself, you have literally no clue what you are talking about and barely even know the memes of WW1.

>Germany is cancer.
Whoa you really must have an unbiased view about everything, glad we have such great discussion partners contributing magnificent facts from the 2nd world.

Lmao silly Anglo, we do still have that empire though. Sure we don't have Cuba or the Phillipines, but we kept all the other territories and have military bases around the world, your country included. Thanks for sharing Nigel :)

>Well we were forced to

Of course this is the answer, always the other is to blame. You are just like like a woman, never your own fault.

>which threatened our national security.
Yeah this is the propaganda you are fed since the beginning of WW1 and you still believe it today. In reality, you were never threatened.

Applying your mental gymnastics to Germany would mean that Britain, France and Russia literally forced Germany towards a first strike because they mobilized first. Germany dindu nuffin. See how great this works?

UK and France forced that war to happen.

>Playing the Divide and Conquer "Who's to blame?" bullshit.
>Sup Forums falls for it

We were threatened since we were a country which relied heavily on exports by sea. Without the strongest fleet we were at risk from being starved. Germany knew this yet still built up their fleet to antagonise us

What i'd like to hear is an explanation for how the UK and France possibly provoked the war. All our actions we in response to Germany and Austria Hungary.

>You are a person that blames the start of WW1 on literally one country... why would anyone actually think you are worth listening to? I repeat myself, you have literally no clue what you are talking about and barely even know the memes of WW1.
I'm not a historian, but I've read about it. Yes, ww1 can be blamed on 1, well maybe 2 countries (Germany and Austo-Hungary), since they attacked Serbia wich was under Russian protection. Austria was the attacker, with full German support so that settles it. And they were not even forced to start the war, so what excuse can you give them?
Also, I notice you ignore the rest of my comment, so I guess you agree that all your previous point were idiotic, but now you call me biased and ignorant? What a hypocrite.

It sure wasn't my country. So there is only one else to blame

Your country must be at least 80% white to post. Now go back to your cuck porn bitch boy.

Nice try Germanscum Jew.

Death to your family is coming soon!

>Every European nation to be as shit as yours is. Well done Hanz ibn Heinz Ketchup al Jihad bin Al Qaeda bin Sausages. You won!
It's funny, what Germany is now doing is exactly what Britain and the USA wanted it to become. Most if not all German values nowadays were enforced by the allied victors of WWII.

The brits did nothing wrong.

>Germany knew this yet still built up their fleet to antagonise us

Yeah I'm sure they just did that to antagonize you, not because they were a sovereign monarchy who let nobody tell them how many ships to build. It was literally not your place to dictate what the others can do.

In terms of provoking:

Britain:

Didn't do much to my knowledge in terms of direct provocation, but I still have one book left to go in regards to that. What I know is that the upper echelon was hell bent on war. Then Britain had the power to stop it all by saying "we will not support France and Russia in a war" or "we will support you in a war". What did they do? They kept silent. Saying the first, and France and Russia would have backed down. Saying the second, then Germany backed down. Britain had the power to stop the war with a single sentence, Foreign Minister Grey knew this and they decided to stay silent.

France:
>Always scheming with Russia, assuring them support for a war. Mobilize directly after Russia.

Most of the blame goes towards Russia and Serbia in my book anyway, then France and Austria-Hungary, then Britain and Germany.

Please no! I just lost my little sister to your blood refinery.

the serbs

every single time

This tbqh.
European powers had it all.
Degeneracy was shamed and punished, traditionalism was rapid, culture and nationalism was all on the high, they were nr.1 at everything and could have destroyed everyone.

All it had to take was combined autism of all Europa powers to plunge the west into endless misery while its finest sons killed each other on flanders field...
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So that in the end mischievous (((people))) would take advantage and destroy us from within.

Fuck this world and fuck crooked nose (((people))).

This is really all you need to know about the Eternal Anglo and Eternal Baguette desu en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

>Most of the blame goes towards Russia and Serbia in my book anyway, then France and Austria-Hungary, then Britain and Germany.

Actually scratch that, most blame still goes to the fucking kike bankers/money lenders in the back, who funded lenin, send him to russia, had connections to the black hand and princip/trotsky, wanted to remove the Tsar, made the balfourt declaration (kudos to Britain for still refusing them palestine after WW1, maybe because of this you are now also kiked to death).

It was always the fucking kikes and other money lenders behind the curtain.

>We were threatened since we were a country which relied heavily on exports by sea.
You were threatened. By Germanys fleet. A fleet that they built as fast as they could, and were at the top of their game in 1914. Yet, you won basically every battle against Germany with ease in WWI.
It was not good handling on the German diplomatic side, but it was majorly blown out of proportions by the British fear that the Germans would now want to take over.

Let's just fucking clear this meme.

He did nothing wrong.

Well this, too. Just a tiny bit of in-group preference among white Europeans makes the difference between a European dominated globe and global civilizational suicide.

Your post made me sad. We could have had so much, a way better country but the world ganged up on us and now look at us.

Give me a break, the jews weren't all powerfull. WW1 was the kaiser's fault.

That's the wrong British flag, nerd

>WW1 was the kaiser's fault.
>gipsy intellectual

Like i said.
WW1 wasn't jewish plot, It was our combined autism and ambitions over each other.
We destroyed each other and kikes took advantage and took over.
Here we are now.

No germans din du nuffin, it was the Jews or course. They forced the germans to mobilize and go to war, despite Germany being a monarchy at the time.