The Modern Christian Church is Useless for Men

So I married a Good Christian Woman about a year ago. I've never been much of a churchgoer myself, despite my beliefs, but we've gone fairly regularly this past year and have tried probably 4-5 different non-denominational churches. They're all terrible. The biggest thing I have noticed is that the message and entire church structure is specifically designed and focused on appealing to women.

Modern Church Guidance For Men:
-Don't you dare look at porn.

That's about it.

You walk in, get bombarded with some terrible Christian pop music for twenty excruciating minutes, then hear a message that is either Babby's First Bible Exposure or some sort of HOW TO COPE WITH YOUR SHIT nonsense. About one in ten has anything worth listening to in it. The presentations vary in quality and production value, but the messages don't really get any better.

Everything else is OVERCOMING FEAR or ANXIETY or SHAME or JESUS HAS YOUR BACK or thinly veiled versions of HOW TO ASK GOD FOR FAVORS, etc. What use is this to the average man?

The other day she mentioned this awful book LOVE WINS wherein the author posits that EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN no matter what, that's just how God loves us and somehow the Bible is wrong. She thought it was a good idea, so I tried to explain to her that she might as well throw her Bible away, since it completely invalidates the sacrifice of Jesus. She just didn't get it and got sullen about it. How have you been going to church your entire life and don't get this?

I mentioned in an earlier thread that I thought about going to an Eastern Orthodox church, but she said noooo, it's so ritualistic! What the hell do you think listening to these garbage songs and following along is?

I don't know what to do. I will probably keep going to useless church and get zero out of it because marital harmony. But I am not happy.

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You have to be careful what church you're attending because there's tons of them that are actively teaching the wrong stuff. Anything new age is 99% heretical.
I'm not saying look into Catholicism or orthodoxy but keep an eye out for anything that teaches from the gospel with the Scriptures in hand. Any deviation is to be avoided.

Of course you can - you just use your free hand.

Religion is for cucks

I agree. While I don't think the places around here often get too far off the mark, their interpretations are often shallow and poorly fleshed out. Very rudimentary at best and leaving a lot of good stuff on the table. I don't know if that's because the people giving the message aren't very sophisticated or if they just know they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator of their audience.

Smack that cunt and tell her to stop being such a stupid bitch. Do you let her wear clothes at home? If so stop it, asset your ownership of her. Stop letting her go to church and read that shit and associate with those, you are her owner and as long as she's Christian you'll never truly own her, she'll belong to the Church and her imaginary friend. You've gotta make your choice: will you assert your position in her life or will you allow it to confine to be usurped.
>They're all terrible
Well, yeah, that's what church is, an absolute cancer.
>because marital harmony
Marital harmony is you in the proper masculine position in the relationship. As long as you go along with this charade that position is occupied by the Church and ypur wife will treat you as less than a man.

but how do u know gods real

I have two hands

fuck Protestantism

But when you are masturbating you are holding hands with God.

Fuck off ypu roleplaying scum.
>often shallow and poorly fleshed out.
That's your complaint? That it's not Christian enough? You're too far gone, there's no hope for you. Might as well castrate yourself now.

You go to one, she goes to other, easy!

>holding hands takes both hands
also I'd love to find the origin of "muh mastarbatun is bayud" meme, because I doubt it actually says it in the bible, of if it does, it's someone taking something at face value like a retard

Thanks for saying this. I've gone to church "services" where it's resembles a self-falaciating concert than any type of worship, complete with light shows, fog machines, and 12 musicians on stage.
People aren't interested in religion, they want a spiritual high, something revolutionary. Ordinary by Michael Horton really nails this point home, highly recommend.

There's a bit in there about "your seed is better in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something

Fucking this. Literally every new age mega church does that shit.

Bavaria is that you?

but what if I don't even jizz when I masturbate

Religion itself is a meme. Is it not written that wherever two gather in his name Christ is also there with them? Church isn't a building, it's people who have the same beliefs. If you don't share the beliefs of the people you are visiting with then it's time to move on, for your sake and theirs.

>non-denominational churches
There's your problem.

If your wife's not keen on Eastern Orthodoxy (and probably not Catholicism), maybe look into confessional Lutheranism (Missouri Synod). Non-denominational churches are utter shit and you should steer FAAAAAAAR away.

Well you found the loop hole. I'd say you'd better get a lawyer to get you into the pearly gates, but all lawyers go to hell anyway. Shouldn't be an issue

Yeah. And it would be different if the music wasn't BAD. It's so bad. I'll read that book.

And I just remembered that once I tried to have a slightly deeper conversation about something with her and she made a statement about how she prefers to carry her faith as something more "childlike" and less intellectual. Maybe that's OK, but I am pretty strongly the opposite.

Thanks for the book rec.

Its because you're going nondenominational. Go Catholic, they have actual tradition.

Then you are a freak

Stop going to non-denominational churches. Find a nice First Assembly of God in the area and go.

Go to a Pentacostal or Southern Baptist church. We still hate fags and preach about the virtues of masculinity.

Talk to the minister/pastor/priest a bit and it's usually easy to figure out. Most of the time it's the attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Most people don't want to truly dig into the Bible. They want some feel good message with a Bible verse slapped in and call it a day. Why shit like Joel Osteen is popular.

>Southern Baptist church
You have to be a little careful with these. The big ones can be just as bad as non denominational

I just want to say thanks, op. You really crystallized something I have been struggling with for a decade. I was raised in the church, I studied theology when I was in college, and I spend more time listening to Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux than I do reading scripture. I dont even go to church anymore. Thank you. I think I'll try an eastern orthodox church and see if it's any better.

>Not asking God to joing on a jerk off session with you instead

duh

"Whosoever looketh. on a woman to lust after her hath committed. adultery with her already in his heart," Matthew 5:28.

You can't engage in the act without the stimulation of a woman in the imagination.

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I grew up Southern Baptist and they can often have the same exact issue as op described. Many of the churches are bending over backwards doing anything to get anyone to come through the door. It's why I think the Orthodox are doing something right. They don't knock on doors and they do what they've always done and they suddenly find people coming to them.

The modern church is basically the religious branch of Liberalism. The fact that the majority of religious communities in the U.S. support homosexuality is evidence of this. By medieval standards, these people would have been considered atheists.

Thomism was the purest expression of Christian philosophy- a synthesis of Christian theology and Aristotelian metaphysics. If the church is ever to recover from the mind virus of Liberalism, it has to return to its philosophical roots. The ritualistic stuff in modern churches is embarrassing.

Well I think about killing niggers who cut me off in traffic or do other nigger things on a daily basis. Does that mean I'm literally Hitler now?

>Pr*testanism

Dude go to a catholic church. It's like day and night.

Tradition, beautiful music and actual interesting inciteful theology

Right on. Yeah, Peterson was the final straw. His Genesis lectures, geez, I was like a sponge in the desert. This is EXACTLY what I have been looking for for near on 30 years. And I've never seen anything that even approaches it in church.

And beaners as far as the eye can see

They second council of the Vatican ruined Catholicism.

You people are fucking nuts.

All of you.

>found the heathen

I've seen plenty of watered down Catholic services too. This definitely isn't an issue unique to Protestantism.

Also your wife has no decision in the church decision process. You decide where to go and you force her to go to and spank her if she has a tantrum

This. Sorry, folks. Modern Catholicism skeezes me out and the current Pope really seems to be a kind, generous, weapons-grade moron.

Protestantism led the way though. It's arguably not even a religion, by medieval standards.

Yep.

And? What the fuck you gonna do about it? Get shot in the balls?

christcucktianity really isn't a good moral system for men. You should find a church that best fits your needs and morality. The Bible is fucking gay, no point getting autistic about theological soundness.

>I married a Good Christian Woman
This is where you fucked up. Since you believe in the nonsense yourself, you got what you deserve.

We're doing another inquisition, you go first

Question:
Dont I have to go to RCIA for awhile before I can attend actual mass?

Sounds like you don't like having rules

No you are
christianity has been jewed longer than america

>inciteful
of what, marxism and white genocide?

No he is a libertarian, rules are for squares maaaan.

God damn libertarians

I would sell my first-born daughter to Arab slavers have that newspaper translated.

You faggots ain't got the stones for it.
You talk a strong line but you've never been in the shit.
That's what's so comical about Sup Forums christfags. They're utterly naive and green.

What's the most hellish thing you've ever experienced?

sounds like you like having cuck rules like turn the other cheek and give all of your money away and live like a fucking commie hippie

Go to protestant Church and praise His Holy name the right way. non denominational church is bullshit, nu-trash.

Really it doesn't ultimately matter where it began. Everyone except the Orthodox is suffering from it and eventually the Orthodox may begin to suffer it as well.

You can attend mass but you can't take communion.

start a thread on Sup Forums

i think it's something to the effect of "oy vey look at all these antisemetic trump supporters on twitter with anime or pepe profile pics"

>You faggots ain't got the stones for it.
The "gas the kikes race war now" crowd is too soft for you?

>most hellish thing
The death of a close friend was pretty rough

Why ever go to church when you can get all your preaching from the internet?

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Be Catholic

Real Presence of The Eucharist
Apostolic Succession
Scripture & Tradition

"I bring not peace but a sword"

Is the actual history of Christianity (before liberalism and proddies) one of pacifism?

You realize Pastor Anderson tells you to go to your local independent Baptist church right?

Because you get no community or meet people doing that?

turn the other cheek use to be the 32 a.d. version of giving someone the middle finger. it was modern jews that turned christianity into a pacifistic cuck religion with a s&m fetish.

>Is the actual history of Christianity (before liberalism and proddies) one of pacifism?
No, but its theology definitely is. That's part of my point, you shouldn't just expect the new testament to be a good guiding moral system--it certainly hasn't been followed very well by the catholic church.

underrated

Eastern rome was more Christian and did not have a collapse until the end of the 1400s which was a thousand years later

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>The "gas the kikes race war now" crowd is too soft for you?

Saying it and doing it are two different things. Lots of tough talking fucks here. So many of them seem to hate the idea of experiencing hell.
Those who are afraid of hell and terror are in no place to dish out judgement.

>The death of a close friend was pretty rough
Those get old after a while. How about the death of your own self?

>version of giving someone the middle finger
no the whole bible talks about not taking revenge

jesus would never give the middle finger to anyone

being a non violent human is nothing wrong

>turn the other cheek use to be the 32 a.d. version of giving someone the middle finger
sauce? sounds like bullshit.

>it was modern
no it wasn't, have you ever actually studied the new testament? If you followed its doctrine perfectly you would pretty much be Sweden.

Wrong, my penis is god's hand.

the picture was just a meme. Obviously it didn't happen like that. You didn't address so I assume you're conceding the actual points I made

who wants to hang out with a bunch of fucking squares? who wants to listen to some asshole go on about heaven and hell on sunday morning? fuck all that. church sucks.

>Those who are afraid of hell and terror are in no place to dish out judgement.
Explain

>death of my self
Not sure how you mean.

>no it wasn't, have you ever actually studied the new testament? If you followed its doctrine perfectly you would pretty much be Sweden
It wasn't meant to be done at the price of yourself, you family, or your country

How much bible nor papal encyclicals have you actually read dude?


Even if the Bible were 100% pacifist drivel, it has led to plenty of willingness to defend and spread itself. We should look at its effect before you dismiss it for theology issues( which don't actually exist)

The problem with the West right now is that in the absence of ANYTHING worth fighting for they have no reason to do anything. Christianity provides a reason, even if it did include theological errors as you say. (Which it doesn't)

There is nothing to indicate actual physical violence against the money changers in the temple. Just that he made a scourge and drove them out.

the bible says jesus didnt actually ever do anything violent one single time

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

more proof jesus supports non retaliation for believers

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

the bible says god is love not god is mean

more proof that mighty men who advocate violence are not godly

Proverbs 16:32
32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

Psalm 11:5
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


god chooses the weak of the world

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Jesus is meek and gentle

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Meek Definition:
quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive.

>she prefers to carry her faith as something more "childlike" and less intellectual
She's just doing what Yeshua said. "The Kingdom of God belongs to such as these" and all that.

Yeah right. Ask the guy who made the thread earlier today who had the wife, the two kids, the house, all the other stuff, but he hated life. He is sick of everything and can't find any interest or motivation to go on. So I says "hey OP, let me guess, you're an atheist" and he says "yup". I knew it. With out god's love, it is pointless. I wake up every day in gloryful excitation of the coming of the lord. Everything is meaningful. Every day I am walking with the lord. Poor foolish, double foolish fools who don't believe in him.

My husband and I have started listening to Peterson's current Bible series. We just got through the first one, starting on #2 tonight. We've been searching for a church because we have young children and we want them to grow up with some kind of institutionalized western culture/morality, plus we've become sincere Christians just recently. We're having the same problem as you, the churches are so cringey it makes me want to vomit. My husband gets especially creeped out by the solicitous cheeriness. We're going to check out an "Anglo-Catholic" one soon, it's Anglican but basically Catholic in tradition, they do latin mass etc., they just don't answer to the Vatican or require confession. I'm hoping it'll be a happy medium. Good luck to you.

And I cant put my wiener wherever I want!

ITS THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD!

Don't go to orthodoxes or catholics, they have the same bullshit on their side, there is even a bunch of dumb dogma that you have to swallow like holy mary, seeing God, Christ and the Holy Spirit as 3 different entities, belief that God directly speaks with you or that the angels talk with God just like in a normal conversation. Christianity is not about going to the church nor following a church, god damn you. All these abominations hate the truth, they hate thinking if something is true or false for themselves, feel pity for them because they will suffer for it in this life. Mark my words.

>Explain
You're never ready to doll out the payment due to those who cause humanity grief unless you're willing to dive head-first into hell/terror and live in that world, at least for a time.
You will get cold feet otherwise.

>Not sure how you mean.
Taste insanity. Lose your ego. Revel in pure chaos then find your way back to reality.
Learn what it really means to meet your maker.
Once you do, you can stand with a clear view of what's really happening here in this batshit place called life.

So what is your belief amigo?

Canada and northern USA have Dutch reformed. I enjoyed it when up that way.

I go to a small baptist church where I am the youngest most of the time, but the preaching is great. We only have a part time Pastor but this allows for church members and visitors to conduct sermons and they often bring great insight into biblical passages. They also aren't afraid to be politically incorrect. feels good

The Catholic Church is superior and the messages that you get is from someone that has spent years reading and analysing the bible. The whole paedophile thing is mostly just Jewish propagand, the vast majority of priests are very selfless people who dedicate their lives to their communities.

>it's Anglican but basically Catholic in tradition, they do latin mass etc., they just don't answer to the Vatican or require confession
Wow, that sounds interesting. I gotta find something like that.

>masturbating is being a man

Dear God, you have no hope.

Teachers are more likely to abuse children than priests. But no one cares.

If Christianity cures autism why are there so many Christards on Sup Forums?

A Christian man is supposed to be the spiritual head of his family. Stop getting religiously cucked by your wife and go to an Orthodox church. If your wife raises hell about it at the beginning then go to a Vespers service on Saturday evening and go to her cuck church on Sunday. Before long, the comparison will make you want to burn the cuck church to the ground and salt the earth.

Try finding a Baptist church, technically the non denoms are baptist, but a church that actually calls itself Baptist will probably be more traditional, though nowadays results may vary. Another problem is that a lot of the good ones are literally dying off.

Its really a sad state of affairs. Protestants as a whole used to have a good message that got rid of the corruption, but today many are dumbing down the message to make it appealing to "moderates" which doesnt really make sense. You are or arent, no inbetween, when it comes to Christ.

The church I go to falls short in some areas, such as modern music, but that is just how it is. I can at least take comfort that the guy, even though he is relatively young, openly says he is not going to water down the message of God and conform to what the world wants.