This breaks the creationist

Riddle me this - if your God is so loving and all mighty, then why did he create cancer?
Pretty unloving if you ask me.

punishment for sins.
that sort of thing.

Slide thread, sage all fields

What if it's a child?

How did the child sin?

God already gave you life. He doesnt owe you shit. Get over it, heathen.

You realize that CANCER is just a SELF AWARE CELL that REFUSES TO DIE

get it, before the pressure gets ya lil buddy

Everyone is born a sinner and imperfect being, you fucking mong. Pick up a Bible sometime before tipping your fedora. Stupid faggot.

Not being baptized to wash away original sin.

life is short for all of us. even if you live to be 100, that's merely a speck of dust in the ether of eternity

God uses cancer and other tragedies to test others and do His will.

Babies are born full of sin. It's only by living that a person can wash away their sins and become human.

lol
>retards actually justify a child with cancer

Ever eat a cancerous tumor? It's like ecstasy and steroids combined

Why would god give cancer to sinners when Jesus died for our sins already. If I take jesus christ into my heart why the fuck would I get cancer by gods will?

Ffs. I really don't understand how people use this argument as any sort of proof.
WE and everything around us are/is God, WE created cancer through our own shit choices made with what we were given. It's really pretty simple.
Jesus fucking Christ.

>God makes a highly complicated yet self-consistent system which obeys the laws of cause and effect
>sometimes, under the right conditions, this highly complicated yet self-consistent system can break down

WTF god is teh evilz!!! *dipz bedora* :DDDDDDDD

you create cancer when you poison yourself

What the fucking fuck. Why would you even think of eating what looks like diseased rotting human meat?

>God
>love

>assuming cancer isnt caused by something man-made.
kys brainlet

This.

WHO CARES IF THERE IS OR ISN'T A GOD? JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND WORRY ABOUT GOD WHEN YOU DIE

Sorry Timmy, you did something really wrong and that's why our benevolent deity gave you cancer. Have fun with your eternal torment!

what?

>god is all-powerful but his creations sometimes fail, meaning he is either not all-powerful OR he designs them purposefully to fail.
Really makes you think...

Was an accident.
>Be fruitful and multiply
When you're God you gotta watch what you say dude

ffs fucking brainlets

If God was all powerful, he wouldn't make cancer POSSIBLE in a system which he CREATED.

literally nothing justifies enabling a malicions code in your creation, unless you are a crazy sadist *cough cough

Apatheism is the most redpilled redpill you can take on religion

Reading comprehension not your strong point?
There is no 'he', 'God' is EVERYTHING. 'Brainlet'.

Cancer is a interdimensional vampire

how does a child born with cancer somehow "made his own choice"?

This is a direct quote from you so naturally you won't have a problem explaining this in depth will you straya?

God hates fags, everyone is a fag.

Any questions?

We're all in it together, mate. Wake up.

The perfect code became contaminated when Adam & Eve sinned. After that God removed his spirit from them, which made them vulnerable to dna & genetic mutations. Adam & Eve began to die and death spread to all their offspring. Man is not evolving to a more perfect state, Instead with each generation we are getting farther and farther away from perfection.
God has also provided the solution. His Kingdom, with Christ ruling as king will undo all of the damage and restore mankind back to perfection, thus fulfilling his original purpose for man.

It seems you don't quite comprehend the sheer size of 'God', or the 'Universe', if you prefer that term.

>Implying a 1 year old and a 100 year old are any different to God.

God can do whatever He wants and it is justified. That's what it means to be God.

Our choices as a WHOLE, as GOD, effect EVERYTHING, because it is all the SAME, ONE THING.
CAUSE AFFECTS EFFECT.
FUXK.

sorry mates, this doesn't address my question nor explains it.

Your strawmen, are they for sale?
You should be an author. Pretty good and imaginative stuff.
The characters lack development but you can work on that.

I was replying to an argument about "sin". In that context a 1 y/o and a 100 y/o are different/
One had sinned and the other didn't have the chance to.

Then he's not loving.

Could he have made a system without cancer though? Think before you answer.

God will not deny himself. He gave a gift from his own being to humanity, called life (Gen 2:7c). The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable (Romans 11:29c principle). The Lord placed eternity in our hearts Eccl 3:11 and Eccl 3:14 verifies. The wise woman spoke in 2 Sam 14:14c a central truth – though we die (our mortalness dies) God will not take away life; and yes, God through Christ Jesus makes the only way that a banished one can return back to God, thru the grace of the cross. There is no other way.

So, we do continue on after we die, not in soul sleep, or rest, but as the Hebrew words in the OT imply as shades – our spiritual essence of who we are continues. Though God can certainly annihilate life into non-existence as Job 34:14, 15c states but as 2 Sam 14:14 states, God will not take away life he gave. Fore, if he did so, he would in essence deny himself and prove himself a lair and not really God almighty. He would be forced to go against his own life giving character/nature – hence deny himself.

Are you guys corrupted cathlocucks or something? Jesus makes it pretty clear in the Bible that he sees children as innocent. Yes they have original sin but they are also incapable of any reason, and if you are incapable of any reason God can understand that. Other parts of the Bible make it clear that the more you know and are aware the more you are held accountable. This is also related to those in positions of teaching and spreading the message of God being subject to harsher judgement.
Children will have sin, but wont be held accountable as God obviously has the power to forgive and understands they are unable to have faith due to their undeveloped minds.


As for why evil exists and etc, we ARE in a fallen world.

God did not annihilate the devil for his rebellion, did he? Why? God will not take away life. The devil knowing this rebelled and tempts God to unjustly destroy in order to be able to exalt his own throne above God’s. Sin entered the universe in a limited degree through the Devil and his minions and God designed the current pit of hell for them as Matt 25:41 states. God does not take away life – his gifts and callings are irrevocable. God keeps and performs his word.

This brings us to the reason why fallen human beings will suffer just recompense in Hell. We were designed as eternal moral beings. Fallen humanity lost the eternal life with God and face eternal condemnation banished forever away from the eternal life of God. What God does is forever.

People complain that everlasting punishment for finite sins is unjust. However, such fail to realize that since human beings share a gift of life breathed into us by God who placed eternity in our hearts, a fallen human being’s sin is NOT FINITE it is eternal (Job 34:11, 12c) because they were fashioned by God to be eternal. For God to annihilate into non-being would in essence be unjust for HIM to do as it goes against his own character and nature (Job 34:10c).

Billy Grahams’ daughter, Anne Graham-Lotz mentioned in the History Channel TV show, Hell the Devils Domain, that in hell are just levels of recompense. Jesus stated this concept as well in Luke 10:13, 14, 15, 16c. Theologians mention this as well – just degrees of recompense. This is precisely what I saw, and what people do not understand regarding this instead dare/demand God to act contrary to who He is (Deut 32:4, Psalms 97:2). Thus, they unknowingly fall right into the devil’s ploy to demand God to act contrary to the foundations of God’s throne (note Psalms 97:2c again) and thus overturn God’s rule (Isaiah 14:13, 14, 15c). So reader, which side are you on?

There is no such thing as Finite Sins due to our spiritual nature fashioned to live eternally. Therefore. The principle of what one sows they reap mentioned throughout the bible is true. That is what I saw happening in hell to the people there: their personal sin nature was slowly being uncovered much like how you peal layers off an onion, until the real spiteful being is revealed totally committed to sin and rebellion. The slow pealing of an onion takes time and thus helps understand why there are just degrees of recompense.

Because this life is meaningless and vapid.

>What if it's a child?

>How did the child sin?


Sins of the father. etc.
Hey your father sprayed ddt all over his crops. Ate unhealthy jumk food like a pig and consumed poisons sprayed on food to increase profits.
Gluttony, greed, your mother was also a lazy whore, her womb was weak and so are you, sloth.

Sins of the father. Got cancer because your ancestors were sinners, Supported sinners by buying their filthy junk food etc.

Do you think death is cruel? Life without death would be a true punishment.

People also say God is a torturer, yet, the bible clearly states God is not the one who tortures. Do you see God in the account of Richman and Lazarus in Luke 16:20-31c? Also Rev 14:11 states its one’s own torment that torments. Now note the principle found in Psalms 9:16. God’s wrath is poured out and whatever God does (regarding context of justice/life/judgment/promises/gifts) endures forever.

His wrath uncovers the real person who and what they really are, beings who after entering the eternal gain understanding of what this means, would always seek to abuse and manipulate/pit God’s own Goodness against itself so they remain in sin. That is what I saw and tried to convey in my book. Those in hell would make the only perfect upright land, Heaven, into a corrupt place, like it is on earth now just as Isaiah 26:10. So, the current hell was designed as a temporary holding center as Isaiah 24:21, 22 helps to reveal and Jesus mentions in Matt 25:41c: For the Love of God will banish those that reject him, justly and fairly, with no violation of trust, gifts, etc, to them or to God’s own nature/character.

You'll need to clarify on the definition of love.

I don't believe in fairytales or that the laws of 2000 years ago should be binding now.

Creationists will hate this thread.

No one's asking you.

Satan used evolution to make cancer

>why do bad things happen to innocents/good people?

This is life, not heaven

God didnt create cancer directly, humans were perfect beeings at aome point. But then he wiped mankind multiple times forcing the survivors to inbred, and then he didnt mind to fix thise genetic issues because fuck you

he made death painful for children with a disease they don't even understand

>merciful

Shouldn't you be asking God?

What fucking question is that? It's literally like asking why God make old people die, or why people die in car accidents. God created humans and then let them do whatever they want. Why would he intervene?

Hey bud!

That's nice and all but that's called Karma.
Buddhism - read all about it.
Buddhism doesn't claim there is a creator, but a wheel of suffering which keeps turning until you break out via enlightenment.

life with cancer is hell on earth
yes it's cruel

whatever the context the definition in the Bible implies.

kek

Life is designed by God. He could have prevented suffering which doesn't rely on free will.

I would, if he existed.

pic related

Evil doesn't exist. Evil is the absence of God.

did god create cancer? cancer incidence has risen only in recent decades. a lot of evidence seems to point that our natural systems were built to survive fasting and that fasting 5-7 days promotes death of cancer cells, or cells that have survived beyond a stable lifecycle and mutated.

Pain and suffering is a test to our faith. Have you even read Job?

Who punishes god for his sins?

He didn't create cancer, you did. Now fuck off.

tired of the argument about the innocence of children and how it's the most evil thing for a human being to die before some arbitrary number of years.

thinking death is the worst possible outcome of our lives.

this all stems from our physical mortal attachment to this earth and other humans. the fear and an uncertainty of death itself.

losing a child sucks, but consider how God feels when his children become lost to him.

and this makes sense for a just god to do? to just make someone with the intention of never giving them a shot? like a mean kid with a magnifying glass on an anthill? if this is praiseworthy youre a lunatic.

He created a system where total freewill reigns. We have the ability to eradicate cancer completely if we choose to understand its mechanism's of action. Its only through OUR ignorance that cancer remains lethal. Expecting to be handed everything in life just because "Muh personal suffering and hardship" is childish, and god would tell you to grow the fuck up if he was petty enough to do something like that.

This fucking noob doesn't even know that job was re-written by six different jews to make it end different because the original ending was basically god fucking with job on behalf of the devil until job tells god to fuck off and die, the end.

>Negative polarity doesn't exist. Negative polarity is the absence of positive polarity.

What kind of fucking sin did we do to deserve niggers then?

Cancer != death
Cancer is the suffering BEFORE death.

Yes this is exactly why jordan peterson promotes the idea of saving the father as portrayed in allegory in Pinocchio. The trick is to reverse the sins you inherited from your shit parents. Emulate what good they do have in them to your children can carry on that legacy and improve it. The kingdom of heaven concept is really easy if you decide not to be a degenerate fuck for a living.

This is your initial question.
>Riddle me this - if your God is so loving and all mighty, then why did he create cancer?
Pretty unloving if you ask me.

Why are you asking me the definition of love?
What is your understanding of love, and why do you deem God unloving?

I don't understand how you can state God is unloving and not know why.

>Waaah problems exist why doesn't God make it all go away?
Pussy

So if the father was pure, his father was pure, and the infant child is inherently pure, god would just purge the kid because of some guy's fuck-up 4 generations back?
Christian genocide when

Alrighty then, what if I told you "God" itself has "cancer"? This "cancer" is what the Bible metaphorically describes as Sin, Satan, Hell, and whatever else is "unholy".

It is literally components of "God" working against "God's" natural order. Just like cancer is to a body.

If you go out and kill an innocent being for an unholy reason (e.g. pleasure), then you are working against "God's" order and are part of the "cancer" that must be eradicated, thus leading to to an unpleasant fate such as a car accident etc. Then in the afterlife, you will be filtered into the side of the "cancer" which I can imagine isn't pleasant.

The truth is, our species wasn't created in "God's" image; we were created for unholy reasons by unholy beings. Our biology isn't very compatible with our spiritual origin because of the low quality work our creators did designing our biological makeup. Think of mass produced items; they usually are never high quality. As a consequence unholy things like animal/incompatible spirits being trapped in human bodies, massive amounts of birth defects, cancer, etc. happens quite frequently. It's out of "God's" power to be able to prevent all of the wrong doings that's currently happening in our dimension.

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I believe the quandary is, why would a benevolent god allow it to exist in the first place, Jamal.

Could cancer itself be considered alive? If so, it is a near-perfect being.

Good job dodging the question.
>unloving, adj: not loving
>loving, adj: to show love or great care

Stop playing little semantics games. There is little care in killing babbies with telomeric mutation

regardless. this life, no matter how tragic, painful, or short, is short and temporary in the grand scheme of things. with the fall came suffering and pain. it's awful for us as living human beings in this world, but it's all temporary.

in just 100 years, everybody that exists on this world right now will be dead, and an entire new population will exist. all the suffering and pain of 8 billion people will cease to exist.

eternity with God is worth any amount of suffering on this planet. doesn't matter if its a person who dies at 95 peacefully in their sleep, or a child in a car crash from a drunk driver.

death and suffering is the by-product of our sinful nature. children aren't taught to be bad, they have to be taught to be good from birth.

I don't think we need Webster's to understand that "love" across all languages does not entail causing people to die slow gruesome deaths, Sho'quan.

>autism, the post

idk what you are on about but suffering = bad bad. Hope it was clear enough for le edgy teen mindset.

proof of anything you said?
I want actual proof, not bla bla bla stories.

Cancer is punishment for continually fucking up God's orders.

Was it baptized?

He didnt create cancer, because of adam we are mortal and suffer from disease, organ failure, and mutated cells which multiply and become cancer cists.

You mean to ask was he dipped in some water?

no, why?

>This is an actual opinion.
k... keep me posted.

Whats a single death to an eternal soul? Nothing. check mate atheists.

If the soul is eternal, you wouldn't mind remembering what happened to you before you were born would you?

It's only an eternity, cmon tell us!

You come here rembering nothing, its part of the experience, and makes the eternity manageable. Checkmate faggot. Next weak argument

Fucking nerd.

idk sounds like a rather weak strawman senpai
get your shit together

Apatheism, Nihilism, Buddhism, are all just methods of controlling you in a way to prevent you from living out your full potential. It allows Satan and evil to exist and prosper damning yourself.

wew lad you are actually asking this question? god is the biggest celestial killer out there, has wiped out children before, but everyone now thinks he had a joint and now is chill.

You don't know what a strawman is

How can you prove God is real?

Oh man

Your definition of love is then for a person not to suffer. Is that correct?

If you had a friend that had an addiction problem, such as gambling, alcohol, drugs, etc., and from their perspective it's not a problem at all. They don't feel like they are suffering. What is the loving thing to do? Do you try to have an intervention or let them keep doing what they are doing?

Now, in the context of original question, if God has deemed you to committing an infraction is it okay for God to discipline a person?

But life without suffering is just heaven,
So what is the point it was such?

Don't mistake autism and retardation.

>trying this hard

A child has cancer and suffers till it dies.
now fuck off