The Perfect System?

So I've figured out exactly how things should be ran.

We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.

We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.
If you can't work, you're supported by said system.

Exactly how much of what resources you get based on how much of what work you did will be determined by all of humanity, as advised by elected officials.

Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement, then it will be implemented.

I dare you to find a flaw in this.

>protip: you can't

How to convert yards of fabric into ounces of gold mined.

Get rid of the Negroids maybe it will have a slim chance of being functional, but currency of some form will always be a thing so long as humanity walks this earth. The root of the problem lies with central banks held by international interests.

And what we do about the entertainment industry? That's almost communism btw.

>socialism is immune to corruption and can easily predict and adapt to the chaos of reality

Socialists are fags and are only one step removed from being non-humans (communists).

What stops anyone ( or ones) from finding ways to keep resources to themselves? And then implementing authoritarian ways to stop people from retaking them?

Get rid of Muslims, Niggers, Communists and Jews and pretty much majority of the systems will work perfectly fine.

so if I work by making paper planes all day I should earn the same as a emergency surgeon that's works all day?

Sounds great!

Get rid of [insert person whose views I disagree with] will make things better

>gets rid of money
>livestock now can be underfed to meet headcount

Says the Indian...

Replace elected officials with computer systems

>as advised by elected officials
those psychopaths that crave power will use this as a means to get it

Yeah the matrix was a great movie. They didn't earn money either!

I'd get rid of the pajeets, as well, at least until your ilk learns to use the toilet.

No... that's stupid.
Obviously humanity will choose to give emergency surgeons more resources than someone who make paper planes.

>Implying none of the groups I mentioned have caused destruction and collapse of any specific system

I'm not wrong though. There's geniuses amongst us but all of then flee the country because its overpopulated and corrupted to the core.

Sure.

>government
you're going to have problems no matter what

>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.

Yes OP is a stupid communist as he said its based on how much work you do not what type of work.

>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do

How would you do this?
By quantifying work into some type of measurement system, a currency perhaps? Maybe you could distribute these currency points to people in exchange for working?

Utopian systems are flawed by their very nature because they think man is perfectable

They won't be able to.
These people can't make do anything on their own, they just advise humanity as a whole, everyone makes the decisions.

I dare you to find a flaw in this.

>Money is an essential neurotransmitter.

OP this is the dumbest thing I've read ever on Sup Forums. I implore you to please consider ending your life

So.... communism... that doesnt work.

Sincerely surprised there is more than one post by this ID.

It's not a government, just a board of advisors.
>how much of what work you did
That's what I said.
The type of work is important too.
Stop twisting my words.

a president, a senator, and a supreme court justice cannot get elected on their own either.

are you suggesting it would be popular vote?

The advisors themselves will be elected by popular vote in every existing country.
The decisions themselves are made by all of humanity discussing and coming to unanimous agreement.

No. Make government local. Allow any form of autistic communism or fascism you want as long as there is quorum in that district. Keep state lines, reform the fed into a smaller gov for protection. Basically free market ideology localized. And let the strongest survive.

Ok I see yes I skipped over that.

But that pretty much is communism bro.

I wonder how you'll divide the resources among people. They can't carry them all with them, you know. There must be some sort of token system that will allow you to exchange labor for resources.
OH WAIT THATS MONEY. YOU FUCKING MORON.

>The advisors themselves will be elected by popular vote in every existing country.
what would the method of removing an advisor should they fall out of favor? are there term limits?

>It's not a government, just a board of advisors
aka government

Has he brought up work vouchers yet?

It's not communism it's different.

As long as people continue to eat cooked food and animals, we will continue to decay and none of this will work. We will never be able to come together

There is no (bright) future.

What if I want to buy something without giving up my resources?

so make human beings into livestock?

No, humanity governs itself.
The advisors don't make decisions, humanity as a whole does. They simply help us make the right ones.
It's in our hands.

it's pretty much exactly Nordic socialism, which works if people have shared values, aka a shared evolved subconscious. it requires ethnic homogeneity, and for those values to not include pathological altruism. those seem to be fundamentally incompatible. QED

government

I should clarify: a set of values that would allow for functioning socialism would require too high of levels of altruism to not be extremely susceptible to subversion of ethnic homogeneity by propaganda. It's not a stable equilibrium

You're going to have to go into a lot more detail and stop using synonyms for government, communism, and planned economy to describe your idea or people are just going to keep pointing out that you are describing a communist government with a planned economy.

Dude this is just price fixing and a welfare state. It's exactly what Venezuela is trying to do

Do i ever get a pension?

No, you'll get a bullet in your head when you reach 30. Blame Logan's Run.

>spend time to get educated
>get """""""""""paid"""""""""""""' less than a miner
gee great system

what you need to realize is our system rewards smart and clever people

>can't work
letting politicians use the definition of this as a puck for all eternity would be a flaw

In a government the people in charge make the rules.
In this, everyone makes the rules.

>"All of humanity" decides that everything should be given to the lowest common denominator
>There are insufficient resources to support this
>As it turns out, the vast majority of people are fucking retarded and government by group consensus is an exercise in self destruction by means of unchecked self interest

socialism is corrupt to the core.
trust me.

All these faggots in this thread and only 1 or 2 recognised OPs words

He simply laid out the communist manifesto in Sup Forums speak and you fucking retards took him seriously. You all claim to be intelligent but almost none of you have read what your enemy believes, you dont understand their goals and worse yet theyre able to trick you with ease.

I know this place went down the shitter after the election but this is just fucking embarrassing. Youre all embarrassing.

you just described a retard version of socialism, you retard.

>"Money causes greed"

I stopped reading right there. Good work op.

>all of humanity
>unanimous agreement

You're preaching to the choir, hombre.

Nigger you're high. Go to bed.

Just because something is an obvious thought exercise doesn't mean you need to announce that you "saw through OPs cunning plot" or what the fuck ever.

Some people prefer to just roll with it rather than start crowing about how clever they are you smug ass.

>i have a new idea
>it's called communism, and it's never been tried before
Hide and report all leaf threads

Anything is possible

>Thinks he's the only one that gets the joke
>Makes himself a punchline

Advocating for communism? Fucking kill yourself.

>We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.
Can't we just get rid of libtards? Money does not CAUSE greed. Inherently greedy people seek out money.
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.
If you can't work, you're supported by said system.
What if you WON'T work? What if you are defrauding the system? What if a doctor starts giving people medical excuses not to work in exchange for some sort of payment or else favors (like sex)? What if someone fucks themselves up with drug use until they cannot work, but they would be fine if they hadn't made such bad choices?

What if people choose to do the bare minimum to get their pay as ALWAYS HAPPENS EVERY TIME YOUR STUPID FUCKING COMMUNISM IS TRIED?

Protip: Your system CANNOT work.

IT'S NOT COMMUNISM IT'S DIFFERENT
PAY ATTENTION

Yeah no it isn't different.
Fuck off commie.

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement, then it will be implemented.

Oh look, found the flaw. Kill yourself with dicks.

We need to live in male warrior bands. The chief is the most genetically superior of the group. Every man gets one wife but the chief gets as many as he wants (captured from raiding other tribes.)
All men are required to have children.
No beta uprising, fulfilling natural instincts, eugenic effect each generation.

Communism means no private property at all. OP didn't say that you stupid strawmanning nigger

Oh, so your system is communism. The problem with this has been pointed out by a thousand economists and is really quite simple. The needed allocation of resources can always be more efficiently determined by the people who need them than any central authority. It's much easier for a grocer to determine how much bread he'll need then a bureaucrat in DC.

This truth is so obvious that it's hardly believable that people still fall for communism, especially after we've already had Stalin, Mao, pol pot, Chavez, etc...

If a central authority had sole jurisdiction over who gets what, with no system of trade, in what meaningful sense can you say people still have property? Communism is the collective control of the means and product of production. That is exactly what op described.

the "perfect" (i.e. the least shitty) system is only gonna be possible when we figure out how to balance the relationship between the authority and the individual.
spoiler: it's never gonna happen.

>central system distribute resources based on how much work you do
Yeah, he did.

The perfect system is only possible with perfect people. You can't make a perfect structure with broken pieces. This is why all utopian projects are doomed from the start. The best, and ultimately only method by which a society can be pulled up is convincing, enabling, and encouraging it's members to lift themselves up.

this

>Perfect people
You mean Aryans?

This is so far beyond retarded that my not be in our same universe of basic logic reason and intelligence

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement

So it will never happen. Cool.
Anarchy == Natural Order

you're thinking too far ahead here. first, we need to determine what type of authority is gonna be tasked with "encouraging it's members to lift themselves up". how to make people do what you want without you forcing them to do it? if you remove all authority people become degenerates, if you're too rigid and oppressive people become miserable and civilization can't flourish.
how will that hypothetical perfect society deal with the feminist problem, for example? how to compel people into having kids without forcing them? is that even possible? at this point i'm not even sure that maternal instinct (and instincts as a whole) is a real thing, how else could you explain the fact that women literally don't give a shit about having kids?. they don't have kids and they don't feel any obligation to the tribe. so i'm supposed to believe that there was this instinct for billions of years and suddenly, after life got a little bit better, everyone just forgot instincts. and men are no better, but in this particular example i'm talking about feminism and females.

>I dare you to find a flaw in this.
>If you can't work, you're supported by said system.

Any system that offers support for the weak is guaranteed to be exploited and abused. It's impossible with current technology to assess whether someone can or cannot work if you include psychological disabilities in the possible criteria.

So you create this beautiful system where it supports the disabled, but then one lazy man gets the idea to fake being disabled so he can collect from the system without contributing, and then another joins, and another, soon you have massive strain by the exploiters and you're powerless to stop this.

If you had outlined your plan but included this line:
>if you can't work you are summarily executed

I would agree that it's a flawless plan worthy of the Nobel Prize.

Now you have to waste extra resources to check who can and can't work, someone to check how much work you did to allicate resources, you will need someone to audit the people doing that stuff to make sure no ones cheating etc

You waste half your resources assigning resources and dealing with corruption.

>Communism
>Nobel Prize
PICK ONE RETARD.

fuck off communist

>all of humanity discussing and coming to unanimous agreement.

You need help

>Money causes greed.
Are you retarded? Greed is a natural human instinct, like fucking. Money is merely a medium at which people can exchange goods and services for their productivity. Are you saying greed didn't exist before money? Holy crap you communiggers need to be rounded up and gassed.

Ah yes, get rid of money! So easy! Why didnt anyone think of this before?

Kys commies

Work for resources?

Such as I work 160 hours a month and I am then given a predetermined amount of food and water?

So we work only to survive?

Sounds like a shit system, m8.

Get a job.

money doesn't cause greed, greed is an inherent part of human nature.
once again, commies fail to provide an argument against human nature.

i'm perfectly aware that people didn't just forget about those things and that systematic brainwashing by our rulers was involved. BUT, if instincts are real how come there weren't any alarms that went inside of us when we heard people talking about those things that lead to death of a society? how come, when the attacks on family and religion started happening all those decades ago, people didn't organize in order to kill those that are promoting those false values? where are the instincts? how is it possible that government brainwash is capable of destroying them so easily? was it brainwash that put them there in the first place?

>zeitgeist movement
>venus project

top kek, i remember when i thought that shit was clever

We currently do not posses the capacity to calculate efficient resource allocation of a command economy. Information is too decentralised and complex for it.

>We'll get rid of money
Hitler did that, satanic people did not like it

And how do you measure the amount of work done?

>inb4 wen ppl think tis gud

give a precise and complete solution, not a slogan

Why is faggot OP being taken seriously? This is the nth time some fucker thinks he had some sort of epiphany by listening to Jacques Fresco.
All that is being said is basically communism with a different coating. Sage goes in options field.

>first, we need to determine what type of authority is gonna be tasked with "encouraging it's members to lift themselves up"
Who needs to determine it? If broken people are determining it, it will be inherently flawed due to their flawed relationship to other people, community, society, and authority.

To your other points about procreation, human society has never and will never be organized around maternal, or any other human "instincts". Humans are rational creatures who relate to and understand each other principally on the basis of our reasons for doing so. Even primitive tribes give complex reasoning for nearly all of their customs and relationships.

It was Freud who convinced us that reasoning is but an illusion, a sublimation of our sex instinct, and other instincts. This is a fatal error, and ironic given that he came to this conclusion based on his reasoning.

We must once again understand ourselves as living, not for the mere satisfaction of our impulses, but for a real purpose. We must model our behavior not on the machination of cultural engineers but on a real Discovery and understanding of the ends of our nature.

This calls for a real conservatism where the patriarch and elder is honored and respected, for it is he was produced and sustains the family. He creates the stability and productivity on which a family must rest. In any society where the father is denigrated, family and therefore procreation will collapse, because only he can bear the burdens necessary.

Taken to it's logical conclusion, this leads to a reverence for God, as the father of all. Therefore it is the first principle of a well ordered society that God be honored, and His will sought out and obeyed.

The instincts aren't real. Humans are not led by instincts, but by reason and will. The reason depends on how it perceives itself and it's world. If you can set the worldview, you can define the alternatives which the reason presents to the will. The reason can only present to the will those things which it knows.

We let the socialists take our children into government run schools for five days a week and thought our customs, values, and relationships would survive.

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement

>hehe communism is best :^)
Sage

what you're suggesting has already been tried but it led to people rebelling against it. why did they do it? and why did we allow them to not only rebel but wreck the whole society and leave it in ruins? so, if we apply what you're suggesting we would be just repeating the cycle and the outcome is known (for the results just look the last decades of the 20th century and the current situation in the 21st century).