Tfw actually politically lean far left

>tfw actually politically lean far left
>end up siding with the far right on most issues because modern leftists are retarded marxists

Feels weird. I'm atheist, rationally progressive, don't care about race, and extremely anti-corporatist. As such I fucking hate muslims and Jews, and I hate "antifa" faggots who spend more time trying to lynch small bands of college students for being white instead of protesting our oh so benevolent corporatist oligarchic government. The entire leftist movement from anarchists to liberals to full blown communists no longer gives a fuck about the basic concepts of their doctrine and it's just turned into "fuck white people" and it's annoying to anybody who actually cares about this shit. The real "fascists" are the authoritarians in suits who dictate and restrict our basic rights for profit margins, not small groups of overweight balding men at liberal college free speech rallies but none of them see or care about that so I end up in the company of people who actually identify as fascists because at least you have some degree of common sense and awareness of how ridiculous things are. Thanks for that.

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the left/right thing is a spook
it separates people over relatively smaller issues rather than addressing what I think are larger ones.

Read Moldbug's Dawkins essay.

This. Same boat as you here OP was blind to the dems brainwashing tactics until Wikileaks exposed the DNC rigging the election.

What's funny is that US political culture very much was like that around 2012. I felt like everyone hated both sides and just saw them as corrupt identical hacks and everyone saw the same enemy at the top the pyramid. That was the apex of NWO/illuminati paranoia and conspiracy with Anonymous becoming a thing and all that, everyone was united against Washington and Wall St. and it was comfy.

Yet in 2016 everyone went into EXTREME polar opposite positions to shill for their totally not a puppet candidate. Everyone abandoned that sentiment and now 80% of the population is intensely divided into their two camps again and swallowing everything they give them and wanting to kill each other while Soros, Trump, and Clinton snort child bones in some Israeli pizza joint.

Will do.

this graph is a little old but it illustrates the division,
>it also isn't left/right but dem/rep
you no longer can have issues with bipartisan support, you're either for or against based on your political persuasion rather than based on the issue in question.
It happens in Aus too, one party will put a bill forward and the other will be against it, not because they are against the idea proposed but because they are against the other side when they really should just be on the side of upholding the nations values and striving for prosperity.
Politics is now a sport.

>>end up siding with the far right on most issues because modern leftists are retarded marxists
Strange world hunh?

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Why are you a progressive? For what purpose? Genuine question.

I guess a potential preface should be, what does progressive mean to you?

>actually politically lean far left
We don't want you, go away.

pure ideology

The far-right share your contempt of the rule of the merchant.

It's kinda on the basis of equality among the genuinely equal I guess. I think women should generally have equal rights to men, and I don't mind LGBT people since it's basically just a fetish. Compared to the borderline Christian sharia beliefs held by most of the far right I consider myself a progressive but definitely not in the "there is never enough" way that modern liberals look at the subject. I'm intelligent enough to know there isn't a malevolent gender wage gap or anything, and also to realize forced diversity is just part of a corporatist ploy to destroy national and cultural identities to create a more subservient soulless workforce, but I don't inherently believe any race is superior to any other or anything. "Religious tolerance" is bullshit that allows wahabists to fester in society so I'm against that, and general against religious tolerance of any sort since it's a step back from the objective and reality based world we're transitioning into. I see a kind of reason-based progress towards destroying pointless sentiments and things, but I don't believe in the destruction of everything society is built upon like modern liberals. Is that bad?

Same. I'm to the Libertarian Left on most issues, but most leftists are intolerant, insufferable cunts.

There's such a giant fucking window with basic leftist thoughts.

Somehow 99.999% of people who think "wow the government and economy are pretty fucked maybe things should be a little different" get brainwashed into throwing molotov cocktails at bookstores and wanting to establishing an authoritarian dictatorship. Nobody is in the common sense midway point that criticizes modern capitalism but doesn't believe marxism is the answer to it.

>politically lean far left
>because modern leftists are retarded marxists

So WTF are your political views then? Far left is communism.
Maybe you're just socialist conservatist?

Odd. Some of your beliefs could be called post modernist. You believe in universal truth and that which can be empirically proven, naturally therefore you're anti-religion. But at the same time, you're pro national and cultural identities. So in this respect you're a romantic. I think you're definitely leaning towards more post modernist beliefs but there is a hint of romantic conservatism in your beliefs which I can respect. It's the lack of this in modern political discourse that's gotten us into this situation to begin with. You can certainly be against the destruction of the basis of modern society, but I would ask you to question what the end point of post modern universal truth-ism is.

>and also to realize forced diversity is just part of a corporatist ploy to destroy national and cultural identities to create a more subservient soulless workforce

You really belive this? You think it's some kind of evil ploy by big fat corporate men to destroy nations rather than effect of current polittical and economical systems around the world?

Why would you not care about race? It's really goddamn important, my friend.
Even if you're not in support of genocide, which most of us aren't, it's still a real problem that we need to focus on, not deny. We've got to work on it together, with facts and evidence, and try to improve the lesser races through encouraging strong family units and less gibs. You can't do that from lala land.

Marxist economic model that people can somehow magically own economic production with the help of an authoritarian dictatorship is stupid. Possessions as a social concept is questionable, but the notion that society can function without physical possessions and materialism is ridiculous. I generally believe in a capitalist economic model since that's the only kind of model that can exist, but I believe it should be heavily controlled to prevent it from growing and monopolizing and creating unnecessary wealth disparity and classism, and I also believe that the government controlling this should use it's profits to provide universal healthcare, education, and other basic things that simply shouldn't be privatized. I believe in nationalization of things that shouldn't belong to markets like natural resources and land too. I'm not quite sure what label to apply to myself.

Genuine progress for all of humankind, reaching the stars and all that I guess? We can't do that while bickering over minor things but we also can't do that if we fall into post-modernist destruction of society and destroy the world.

Population has a lot to do with it too. The big population boom that gave the west it's giant numbers around the turn of the century was a product of industrialization and development. After you reach peak industrialization, there's no more money to be made because there's very little room for growth so the economies stagnate and the populations fall(Japan is perfect example of this). Globalist financiers need constantly increasing profits so they flood these post-industrial nations with third worlders hoping to stimulate growth while also having the benefit of destroying their identities and ability to revolt. They're also investing in Africa and India and other places with massive population booms since the most profitable part of capitalism is development, but after things are developed things begin to sputter off and crash.

Your "progressive" ideals make your other goals impossible to achieve, therefore I would suggest you take another look at race & social progressivism in general if you are serious about your ideology.

Race is very real, and the LGBT-isms are essentially manifestations of fetishism and unrestrained individualism. Multiculturalism is the reason that the seeds of anti-corporatism rhetoric in 2012 were doomed to become the anti-white/straight rhetoric of 2016.

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That is idiotic. So you're gonna encourage Tyrone to be a better person, but leave Cletus to himself becuse he's superior white trash?

Where in that post did I state that I don't also support such things for my own race?
Fact of the matter is there are more Tyrones than Cletuses due to the iq disparity. We work to improve us all, some are just a bit further behind.

>Marxist economic model that people can[...]

Socialist. That what you described is how more or less Western European countries work, of coure with varrying degree of state control. (I think Scandinavians are closest to this kind of system.)

>Population has a lot to do with it too.[...]

I agree for the most part, but I don't agree on how much you think they consiously do and how much is just circumstances. They don't flood Europe themselves, they simply let the migrants stay. They don't push PC propaganda to destroy national identities. Corpporations puch it, because it sells more products; the less offensive your product, the more you'll sell regardless of quality. Politicians push it to ease the tensions inside the country. The only ones you should be scared are the university intelectual that push it for ideological reasons. Some of this idealogues are also in politics, but for the most part they outside. Politicians are more focused on staying in power and at least pretending to fix the problems rather than pushing agenta for the sake of it.

"and try to improve the lesser races through encouraging strong family units and less gibs"

Here. So what if on average one race has 5 points less on IQ tests? Why do you care at all what is the colour of the skin of people you want to improve? You improve people, who need it regardless of race. "Lesser race" would only suggest that there will be slightly more people of that race to help, but I don't get why would you care since you still have people of "superior race" who need help.

5 points? Try 15, from some areas 20. I assumed it was a given that I'd support helping my own race, perhaps it was wrong of me to do so.
In a perfect world we'd live in an ethnostate and only have to focus on our own. But we don't, we're mixed here. And unless something truly cataclysmic happens, that isn't going to change, so at the very least we need to try to get the others closer to our standards.
Not through directly supporting them or pushing them through our school systems even if they can't do the work. Not by giving them special grants. By forcing them to compete, and helping clean up their awful culture while we fix our own.

I don't believe race contributes enough to a person's potential to believe in elitism like most of you, but I do believe the different conditions each group of people were developed and raised in allows superior cultures(with the greatest logical and meritocratic values) to develop over historical experiences and that these cultures should proliferate ahead of others who lack these achievements. The French Revolution ought to contribute more to modern human thought than how many times Mohammad beat his wife in this hadith, ect. Western Civilization is inheritly important because outside of East Asia and the Americas who developed on their model the rest of the world is inherently inferior in their values. They put more emphasis of killing albino children to ward off evil spirits than sending a probe to Titan.

I agree with you. There are a lot of points from which different cells of the global elite support the migrant crisis, some political, corporate, ideological. I just explained a few. In general it's still a negative thing in my perspective because they're bringing Islam and an incompatible culture that literally rapes European scientific and cultural achievements.

>In a perfect world we'd live in an ethnostate and only have to focus on our own.

Well, I live in one and it changes nothing. There are still poor people, there are still dumb people. The only thing that is better is lower is race baste crimes - mostly because it's impossible to find anyone to be racists towards to.
>And unless something truly cataclysmic happens, that isn't going to change, so at the very least we need to try to get the others closer to our standards.
Not through directly supporting them or pushing them through our school systems even if they can't do the work. Not by giving them special grants. By forcing them to compete, and helping clean up their awful culture while we fix our own.

That I can agree with. What I don't understand is why you're so obssesed with race. Why wouldn't you just genocide dumb people?

>I agree with you. There are a lot of points from which different cells of the global elite support the migrant crisis, some political, corporate, ideological. I just explained a few. In general it's still a negative thing in my perspective because they're bringing Islam and an incompatible culture that literally rapes European scientific and cultural achievements.

That is true. Immigration seems to create more problems rather than solving existing ones. It's like setting your house on fire because you're cold.

>The only thing that is better is lower is race baste crimes

*The only thing that is better is lower race based crime

the notion that communism will be achieved one day( in a morally acceptable way) is dead. thus it morphed into the SJW movement.

The reason why you agree with fascists is because the central tenet of fascism is Unity is strength. Everything else added on is just a variation on the theme.

And obviously, because we are still in touch in nature.

Oh, and you aren't a Jew. The metropolitan lifestyle that Jews lead would lead to a Coruscant-like Earth ecumenopolis with enough time. And I like my Earth nice and green.

>Marxist economic model that people can somehow magically own economic production with the help of an authoritarian dictatorship is stupid. Possessions as a social concept is questionable, but the notion that society can function without physical possessions and materialism is ridiculous. I generally believe in a capitalist economic model since that's the only kind of model that can exist, but I believe it should be heavily controlled to prevent it from growing and monopolizing and creating unnecessary wealth disparity and classism, and I also believe that the government controlling this should use it's profits to provide universal healthcare, education, and other basic things that simply shouldn't be privatized. I believe in nationalization of things that shouldn't belong to markets like natural resources and land too. I'm not quite sure what label to apply to myself.

Congratulations, you've just described fascism's economic model. Yeah, it was weird for me too realizing that as a leftist I envisioned an ideal economic model that is that of fascism.

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I doubt you side with me. There is only race and God. Not to say that I think whites are better, although we're definitely hundreds of years ahead of most other races as far as our civilization goes. But that civilization, and our people, are being threatened. It's simply self-determination.

Everything else is secondary. Removing the multicultural Jews, and non-whites from our society, is my top priority. As well as keeping true to my Christian faith.

I'm sorry but you cannot beat Universalism by returning to a previous version. The reason we are disintegrating so fast today is because scientists aren't allowed to apply science to Universalism. My opionion is that the only way to introduce a sort of 21st century stoicism into the game. It's God-like enough, mystical enough yet it leaves a place for science in it.

tldr; apply science to the irrational beliefs of progressives

How is becoming a white Christian nation, or society, reverting to universalism? Without whites, and without Christianity as a moral compass, we will not survive.

Look at how degenerate ppl are today without God. Dudes dressing up as girls and getting their genitals snipped off. Rampant homosexuality. Now look how we were in the 40s and 50s.

what? no I reffered to Christianity( Roman Catholic at that, because Universalism is Protestantism without God) as the previous version. The point I'm trying to make is that reverting is impossible. The only way I see the West surviving if the general majority accepts that we are superior or "equal" and therefore we must uplift others to our standard first. It would shields us from any ideology that preached against it and it would channel the destructive leftists into external problems(and they would actually do good)

The Croat is right. There's no going back. Ethnic nationalism can only lead to world war, which at this point would likely destroy most, if not all of civilization. There's also no going back because post-modernism is the legitimate heir to western tradition. It emerged out of it. It needs to be surpassed; we can't just unlearn it. The seeds of it are contained already in Plato and Aristotle.

Maybe civilization needs a good destroy

the post-modernist problem is easy to solve(in theory), you just have to get off of you ass and do something but as we all know it's easier to play victim.

post-modernist thought is crucial in our development because nothing has any inherent value but depends on your POV.

the job of the next generation of philosophers is to figure out what is good for humanity( for it to survive and prosper in eternity). We are only at the starting point, now we have to lay the foundation

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Could be.

Are you suggesting I'm lazy you fucking Croat?
I agree that there's a way through. I'll keep an eye out for your future threads on the topic.

Internet strikes again* I didn't mean you, I meant SJWs. Just the fact that you are here is a step in the "right" direction

I should have used "one" istead of "you", I forget sometimes

Your perspective is enlightening mr. croat.

whyn thank you. The ego is always receptive to praise