WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT?

Please drop Leftist ideas here that are actually true. True in a testable, intellectually honest sense.
The idea doesn't need to be some ground-breaking red pill. It could be something that is well-known; modern or ancient. It could be public policy, effective or proposed, which produces or is very like to produce a net benefit.
Classical Liberalism no longer falls under Leftist ideology if it ever did, so its ideas don't qualify. youtube.com/watch?v=n4eufqOVlYI

I'm talking about democrats, socialists, communists, liberals, social justice warriors, etc..

I'll try to start it out...

Abortion
It helps control the population of inferior ethnic groups which would destroy society with unfettered growth.

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Honestly? Ecology. Not the climate change bullshit, but the will of protecting the environment. Being anti immigration is also part of this

>white "immigrants"
And they thought you had it bad with black immigrants

a lot of left things are good in the right environment.
gay rights are a great example; in a society that encourages them to marry it is a wonderful anachronism that prevents poz and hook up culture.

without good marriage laws though its meaningless.

socialism is great
but when you give socialist welfare for children you essentially ensure the propegation of the poor and increased wellfare spending

women having rights and the vote and jobs is also good. as long as those jobs can be done with most of the time spent in the home.

>climate change bullshit

this isn't left, its just the truth nigger

youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=1

That our political system is corrupt and all kinds of fucked up. But everyone knows that. So no points for them for identifying that problem.

The definition of "white" changed since the early 20th century.

stop indulging these gaslighting commy kikes

Anthropomorphic Climate Change*
*I would fully believe it if the scientists were actual scientists and had obvious integrity. I am not convinced that the data are selected and reported honestly. Far too many groups and individuals handling this matter are politically motivated and intellectually compromised.

That we are slaves to the elites.

We know the climate changes, it changes all the time, are we the ones causing it? And if we are causing it, are we causing a major shift that could be harmful to us, or are we just making a tiny bump in a giant pendulum?

This. Ecology should be a conservative movement. Being wary of social progress while not being wary of scientific progress (or vice versa) is hipocrisy.

Plus ecology is an argument against immigration

Anti-Israel sentiment, environmental awareness, some aspects of socialism such as welfare consciousness (though it shouldn't be given to parasites/ migrants).

New Deal minus the excesses of the New Deal like wage controls were necessary.

Financial regulation stopped frequent and unpredictable shocks to the economy.

>durr
listen dumbass, instead of repeating stupid media talking points, watch the series.
If you cant be asked to spend an hour and a half of your time or so catching you up on how much the media has shilled your ass, then you don't get to have a salient opinion on the topic

The official fucking immigration law for the first hundred years of America was the only "whites of upstanding character" could come in. Don't try to pretend like white meant arab or mexican.

Well, it is part of Leftist ideology, unfortunately. That's what makes it unclear that it's actually true. Leftists are so bad about lying and twisting reality to suit them, and so many of its proponents are Leftists, that it's not obvious what is actually correct about it.

Ahhhhh yes, potholer54.
Redpilled me on the subject i was so skeptical about.
Definitely watch this series bros, he presents convincing evidence and explanations.

Even if climate change was proven to be hoax, we still should pollute less.

Weed should be legal everywhere.

There is no god.

That's about it

if you get most of your knowledge on science from public media instead of subscription science journals you aren't going to get fed anything but lies no matter what color of cock you suck;red or blue.

if you want the """"redpill"""" watch the fucking series, I couldn't point to a better one that dismantles the retarded soundbyte talking points most people have made this about.

I hate you actual shills come on here and say "hey guys, lets talk about how these groups/people you are completely and morally opposed to are correct!" or "Show you arent a blind follower and insult [insert right-wing person here]!"
It's social programming and anyone who participates in these threads in earnest is a fucking retard.

Actually, I will just say the left isn't necessarily wrong about most of their social observations. It's just that they are incapable of having a further nuanced view and apply them to a system of ethics. For example, I would agree that "toxic masculinity" in the sense that you repress yourself from having an sort of childish vice and feel an appropriate response to a women denying your advancements on her is rape/ assault is bad, but the left does not want to acknowledge that there is a problem with brown migrants committing a disproportionate amount of rape/ sexual assault for these thing.

Cannabis legalization and the war on drugs. Yes, stoner culture is degenerate, but weed should be legal. This is one of the only things I feel the left is more correct about vs the right.

Hey man, how bout you suck a dick?
>LGBT
Oh right.

I honestly don't care if you're right or wrong, because you've just been a giant dick to me for no reason. No, my feelings aren't hurt, but you've immediately attacked me and at this point I'm going to immediately assume you're full of shit and have nothing but bile and feelings to spew, because if you had facts you'd be able to use them.

So you're either lazy and don't care, or you're wrong, neither of which makes me want to side with you. I actively want to call you a cum guzzling fagatard mcnigger and to tell you to go stuck a dragon dildo up your ass.

Top down cultural control is superior to bottom up cultural change. Public works is an ok way of stimulating the economy, funding innovation/science is pretty much always good. Subsidies can be good.

Education spending is good if it isn't wasted in things like no child left behind.

That's about it.

Austrian economics plus subsidization of emerging tech/industries/innovation with some public work spending and education spending would probably be the most optimal economic environment.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
Blacks could also become citizens since 1870. What's more, there were millions of Italian, Hungarian, Slavic, and Jewish immigrants coming in between the 1880s and 1920s, and they weren't considered white.

Capitalism being a problem. Socialism, however, is not the solution.

Climate change is real but many prefer shock therapy to our energy industry rather than weaning off dirty energy.

>I honestly don't care if you're right or wrong, because you've just been a giant dick to me for no reason. No, my feelings aren't hurt, but you've immediately attacked me and at this point I'm going to immediately assume you're full of shit and have nothing but bile and feelings to spew, because if you had facts you'd be able to use them.
I've given you facts, the fact that you are asking questions the video answers and are refusing to watch it is enough to show that you are being purposely ignorant and arguementative.

this is kindergarten tier.
write your questions down
ask them at the end.

>not being wary of scientific progress (or vice versa) is hipocrisy.
This is a good way to put it. When somebody says the environment ought to be protected a typical conservative response is 'I don't give a fuck I like to drive a truck!'

There is a lot more to it outside of combustible fuel usage. Humans are so numerous and technologically powerful that we can OBVIOUSLY affect the environment. China is a clear example. Environmental CONSERVation should be a conservative value. And yes, it would be wise to roll 3rd world immigration/population control in with it. These people produce kids like mad and if/when they fully industrialize it's going to be disastrous for the planet if Western countries haven't developed nanomachine synthesizers or something.

should point to

abortion
climate change
LGBT rights
raising taxes on smoking/taxes on sugar
easier access to health care


all things the left is right about

>taxes on sugar
Howabout stop subsidizing corn. It's high fructose corn syrup that's the big issue.

Climate change is real, but they want to virtue signal and be alarmists and don't know how to solve the problem.
They're right about Israel, for the wrong pussy humanitarian reasons.

That's all the ground I can really cede.

I also agree that should be stopped
ethanol is fucking retarded, isn't that a big reason why corn subsidies are given out?

>3rd world immigration/population control with it
it would be wise to include all world population and immigration control with it. america already uses too much just for our own ends in terms of resources left over, let alone the environmental damage in the future.

Leftist like you said does not mean liberal and is basically another word for communism and the like. That being said there is nothing to be redeemed from that ideology. How many people have to die for the useful idiots to understand is beyond me

subsidies are always given out to sway voters or powerful influential people who can sway voters. it has nothing to do with technological development or even food.

You know gays hook up like there is no tomorrow?

Subsidies were given out to protect our agricultural business. It's gotten out of hand and now soda can be cheaper than bottled water in some instances.

everyone knows how to solve the problem. no one is willing to bite the bullet
>less humanity
less climate change

He doesn't ever reference the data of the climate of the entire earth's lifespan which shows we are nowhere even close to the highest CO2 peak 15 times less in fact

Oh, and abortion. Though it has nothing to do with the "her body her choice" bullshit. That's irrelevant to the argument since those who oppose abortion believe the child to be "living" before those who support abortion do. If the clump of cells qualified as a living baby, they'd have no right to abort it just by the merit of the baby being "in her body". Abortion is acceptable just because a baby isn't a baby at the point conservatives believe it is. It's not a women's rights issue. To claim it is is the height of intellectual dishonesty and manipulation.

Actually I created the thread because I expect there to be embarrassingly few things to list. I want to be able to bring this point up with Leftists and count the things on one hand and say "there, that's all you have."

Their ideology relies on distorted perceptions and false base claims. The things that should be getting discussed in this thread should be the things that aren't that. So I don't know what you're on about. Sun Tzu would be disappointed if you weren't interested in knowing your enemy. We know ourselves here... relatively. Sup Forums is pretty well-aligned but it's not an echo chamber. If Sup Forums agrees on one thing it's that Leftism is the enemy.

>gay rights
No. fucking kill yourself.

Don't be a fucking faggot. I'm open to ideas, more than open, I love hearing different viewpoints and having my views challenged,.

I do not appreciate mild skepticism and a factual graph being responded to by someone starting off with
>durr
That makes me think you're either an ingrate or someone too busy sniffing their own farts to actually care about helping the planet.

I love my planet, I don't want to see it destroyed. And if you care about that too, act like it you fucknugget. Don't attack people who disagree with you, yes this is the internet, you don't have to be nice. But this isn't Sup Forums, act like a goddamn rational adult or fuck off.

Temperature increase is spiking alongside CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Who cares about peak CO2 when there's obviously a problem with our CO2 production affecting the global temperature.

>Abortion
>It helps control the population of inferior ethnic groups which would destroy society with unfettered growth.
If this is what democrats actually said I might just support that stance, however this narrative of womans rights being measured by how easily one can receive an abortion is the thin veil of deception meant to appeal to the lowest common demonimator of society and bribe them with promises of a consequence free life courtesy of john taxpayer.

#NotAllGays

the way some people drink soda like it's water is so disgusting
I bet the obesity numbers would drop significantly just by banning carbonated sugary drinks or taxing the shit out of them

no shit. even white nationalists dont marry if they can avoid it. marriage is now a joke. it needs to be fixed, and gays need to be encouraged to seek slow and long commitment relationships. I'd even be okay with a law like no gay sex out of wedlock if marriage wasnt in shambles.

The current state of gay affaris is affected by two things; the lack of rights being around long enough to change culture
the good bits of western culture are being lumped in with the bad bits because many conservatively dressed and behaved people are associated with the ones who want to burn us at the stake.

the poz parade both the parade and the poz is what you get when only a few decades ago being gay was illegal, and only a few years ago, was there a way for commitment to flourish. but even then. this is a little stream and seedlings in a desert of retarded violent right wing spergs and their reactionary complete dildohelmet faggots.

The silent majority needs to rise up and say its okay to be gay but not okay to be a faggot in a dildo suit.

see?

>women having rights
The same political force that pushed the 18th amendment also pushed the 19th, first wave feminists. We both know how horrible those ideas were. They weren't implemented based on reason but on feels.

Emphasizing diet soda as a "healthy" alternative would be a start alongside seltzer water. I think people are addicted to the fizz more than anything.

Exactly.
What are some examples of the right (as far as Sup Forums goes at least) having the right stance for the wrong reasons? It seems like everything I can give credit to leftists for I have to walk back with a big fat asterisk because of the stupid nature of how they came to believe it and argue it.

saving the animals and plants, seriously can we meme the right wing as the nature loving side? I mean, we're less afraid of natures recoils than them.

that being said
>being scared of bugs
>thinking humans are the only reason the climate is changing

>socialism is great
dumb poz'ed shiteater

if you love hearing different viewpoints you don't need my permission. I already gave my view point. you are straight up trying to corner me and get me to repeat myself for your benefit.

OP is leaving the thread (for an hour). I don't expect too many things put forth to survive the discussion, but I know that it's difficult to determine what qualifies as "True in a testable, intellectually honest sense." So the number of replies so far isn't surprising.

I'm telling you to change your tactics because they're inflammatory and counterproductive to actually getting people to agree with you you.

>we know how horrible those ideas were
oh I dont disagree that at its inception it was a terrible idea. even now sjws make the overal success in doubt even in my mind. But the overall impact was surprisingly positive for many decades. meanwhile the down sides of not letting women vote is half a country embroiled in slavery and arranged marriages.

then I may as well not try at all, because I unfortunately don;t have time to type word for word everything that guy says on every issue to someone who wont just click a link and listen. It's just a video man. It's not going to bite you.

Literally all you have to do is not be a dick.

Is that so goddamn hard? Are you not capable of going "okay but the video proves you wrong please watch it?"
Because if you'd said that I might have watched it, because as far as I am aware that infographic is quite factual. Instead you insulted and belittled me.
So nah, fuck you, learn how to be an adult first then get back to me.

>you made fun of me so i'm not going to learn anything
these are the people that are supposed to be my superior?
I should have saved this photo from this post

>What are some examples of the right (as far as Sup Forums goes at least) having the right stance for the wrong reasons?
Libertarians. They have the right idea for the most part, definitely on the right path but the crucial flaw with the ideology is the failure to identify the eternal jew and how he would use freedom to destroy freedom. Fascism is the way.

You called me names so I don't care what you have to say because clearly you're immature and arguing from emotions and not facts, yes.

>mhmm, okay. nevermind the evidence i will respond to tone
read the sticky.

>hey you colossal dimwit, if you just read my evidence you'd realize you're a huge buffoon and fool, if only you knew how dumb you really were, and good news idiot, now you can! Just watch the video I can't even be bothered to paraphrase because I'm too busy calling you names and shitting on you like the pathetic waste of space you are. Hahahaha wow you're retarded!

>wow man what, you're calling ME immature? Just watch the video and stop being such a baby.

Climate Change is leftist horseshit. Please don't believe in lies.

>WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT?
>Please drop Leftist ideas here that are actually true.
>I'm talking about democrats, socialists, communists, liberals, social justice warriors, etc..
Well, I would say one thing they are correct about but apparently don't realize it's something that they are correct about b/c they don't seem to talk about it and it's something that conservatives also rarely talk about is: the government's ability to cut a check and to move money around. For example, safety net social programs are much more efficient, do more for less money, and are better at filling the needs of those they are trying to serve when they are private and religious based (ie: not what liberals typically want) BUT they are not so good at "passing the hat around" in regards to getting their funding when compared to using the power of government funding. Moving funds isn't just limited to safety nets tho. And is basically the ideas behind Hamilton's Federalism vision of using government's money power to make a country powerful within (stable) so that it can be powerful on the outside among other nations geopolitically.

Offense is never given, retard.

Go fuck your mom some more.

>socialism is great
Uh huh

And like I said, my feelings were not hurt. However he clearly has a chip on his shoulder to argue like that, one that immediately turns me off from any hope of in depth discussion.

You cannot make people agree with you, they have to agree with you of their own accord. Calling people names is not only childish, but actively makes people want to disagree with you even if it's just to spite you.
Call that stupid or childish all you want, it's human nature, and both moronic and a double standard to act childish then get confused when people react defensively in what can be considered a childish manner.

they're right that trump is about to be ass blasted by the fbi.

Everything leftists believe is a lie:
Climate change = scientific fraud
Homosexuality = mental illness
Racial equality = Lies
Gender equality = more lies
Heroic refugees = Welfare seeking parasites

Basically their entire world view is based on a network of lies. But they do it all for that smug feeling of being morally superior.

>And like I said, my feelings were not hurt. However he clearly has a chip on his shoulder to argue like that, one that immediately turns me off from any hope of in depth discussion.
What a convenient excuse to never learn anything.

>You cannot make people agree with you, they have to agree with you of their own accord.
Hah tell that to Carthage, faggot.

You don't know human nature you've only been around mannequins your whole life.

Don't forget space colonization. That's their ultimate blue pill.

Yes because burning a city to the ground enslaving the survivors and salting the earth is a good equivalency to make here.
The fuck are you on about actually?

Why did climate change before humans, or before carbon emission? Why would the dynamical nature of earth change. whatever the effort to do so? What makes you think in such a megalomaniac way to unironically believe that we have the power to alter climate in such a proportion that it would become more of a problem than natural factors?

>Yes because burning a city to the ground enslaving the survivors and salting the earth is a good equivalency to make here.
Their minds were changed. Go ahead and moan about it but if you can't debate someone you go to war with them, which is why it's very dangerous that you leftists set infinite conditions to speak with you.

Do you expect to just ignore half the population forever, as carthage did in its own way?

>The fuck are you on about actually?
You're a worthless piece of shit who hides in a blanket of excuses to never change.

i dont think that the left has done much good, only problems and degeneracy.

>duh big bad ebil corporations...
...actually don't give a fuck about you, and exist solely for profit. People are just people, they will exploit you and anyone else to make a profit. They're right about this, to a degree. Of course, they turn it into "DUH WUN PUHCENT PAY MUH COLLEGE DURRRRRRRRR" mental retardation.

I have changed from a radical conservative christian to a liberal to a nationalist "fuck off we're full and stop telling people who they can and can't marry" in the last 6 years so I'd say you're quite wrong.

So why demand concessions for yourself? Nobody has to be nice to you. Morals only apply when the other person has something to benefit from being nice to you or to lose from not being nice to you.

You can go far more places with thick skin, don't you think?

A public option for healthcare is more efficient and morally justifiable.

Because I wanted to tell him to fuck off for being retarded and arguing like a child.

Economics

>abortion
>atheism
>treating people of different races equally
>gay marriage
>global warming

Leftists want Death. Which makes them very good "expendable idiots/pawns" for Globalist interests that want to implode Western Countries & why the Left allies with Islam(That will kill and/or convert them all in the end).

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Leftists/Feminists also have Frontal Lobe Damage/Disorder due to Birth Control. They've been Social Engineered into Jihadists creating Chaos to bring down The West.

The reason there is a resistance to Ecology in the right is because it's anti-capitalist. It requires regulation because it's based on a set of rules that point out what a business shouldn't do because it's practices may damage the environment.

Nature can't be a consumer so it's disregarded in the system unless the market has the morale judgement to not support products that harm the environment, which ignorance basically solves.

Anti-globalist, anti-interventionist used to be a big thing within the left at least. Social democrats also used to be anti immigration because they knew it basically makes their ambitions impossible.

Climate change is the biggest fucking scam of all time. If you believe there's even a shred of truth to any of it, you know dick all about the actual science behind anything.

I'm a Liberal and I agree with this

Sounds like you have some double standards to sort out before you try to fix something besides yourself.

Unwanted children cost society a lot more than abortion.

If the children aren't wanted, I don't want them born. Last thing we need is dindu nuffins with abandonment/neglect issues of *any* fucking race, they never accomplish shit.

single payer works
however it doesn't work when there is diversity splitting the pops and generating anger at other pop groups

That was Teddy Roosevelt's stance. We've forgotten our roots. Good or bad, the EPA was by Nixon (maybe the right motivation at least)

Those are the only pro environment R's I can think of.

My standards are unchanged. I don't argue like a child when I'm trying to convince someone of something I believe in, he shouldn't either.

He's gonna call me names, I'm just not gonna listen, or call him names too. I see no double standards there, I'm just treating him on the same maturity level he's been so kind to treat me.

Environmentalism and animal rights.

God isn't real

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