This thread is for Discussion of Capitalism, Libertarianism, Paleolibertarianism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Minarchism, Objectivism, Anti-Communism, Right-Wing Populism, and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Aleppo Johnson-fags, Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off. Voice your complaints to r/libertarian.
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/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL - A PRIORI TRUTH
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>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com
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>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com
Andrew Nguyen
arise, my brothers
Jeremiah Ward
Libertarianism is a tool of Zionism
STOP GLOBALISM.
ABOLISH CENTRAL BANKING.
END THE FED.
GAS THE STATE
NONE of this helps Zionist control. We challenge power more than any National Socialists think they do.
>"The Jewish Question" by Life Love and ANARCHY
youtube.com
>Documenting Anti-Semitism Within the Libertarian Movement:
chelm.freeyellow.com
Even our favored jews are blasted for being token jews, anti-semites and racists by jews in high places.
You can point out Rothbard (pbuh) was a jew, but you can find no link to zionism or bolshevism. I dare you to call the libertarian philosophy a tool of zionism. bring your evidence fag.
Gavin Richardson
ALL socialism is about dominating and subjugating the people. which brings me to my next point...
Landon Robinson
Communists are aggressors by their own claim. Eliminating them is in defense of property and non-aggression.
Jack Nelson
Open borders are an assault of private property.
>Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal | Lew Rockwell
youtube.com
Alexander Hill
The state corrupts and degenerates the people. Traditionalism comes from the family, not the state.
Bentley Reed
Paleo-Libertarians must adopt a strategy of right wing populism to affect change in our current political climate.
Samuel Sullivan
Physically remove left-"libertarian" subversives!
Angel Brooks
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William Adams
>BIG-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS
archive.lewrockwell.com
Blake James
Post yfw when
>I'm Elon Musk, and I'm here to ask you a question.
>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
MARS IS A HARSH MISTRESS
GALT'S GULCH ON MARS BY 2070
PACK YOUR BAGS, SELL YOUR (((FIAT))) CURRENCY FOR MARTIAN PHOSPHORUS-STANDARD MUSKBUX
WATCH THE LIGHTS GOING OUT ON EARTH FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR MARTIAN WATER MINING HOMESTEAD
Cameron Perry
A society where a population threatens to "seize the means of production" starts riots, and destroys property is NOT a libertarian society. They must be removed.
Austin King
>mfw we leave to colonize mars and socialists have no one to suck success from and so they decend into chaos and civil war destroying the earth effectivly turning it into nu-mars.
Jordan Wood
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Tyler Morales
In your heart, you know he did nothing wrong.
Nolan Young
>There were not many lights on the earth below. The countryside was an empty black sheet, with a few occasional flickers in the windows of some government structures, and the trembling glow of candles in the windows of thriftless homes. Most of the rural population had long since been reduced to the life of those ages when artificial light was an exorbitant luxury, and a sunset put an end to human activity. The towns were like scattered puddles, left behind by a receding tide, still holding some precious drops of electricity, but drying out in a desert of rations, quotas, controls and power-conservation rules.
>But when the place that had once been the source of the tide—New York City—rose in the distance before them, it was still extending its lights to the sky, still defying the primordial darkness, almost as if, in an ultimate effort, in a final appeal for help, it were now stretching its arms to the plane that was crossing its sky. Involuntarily, they sat up, as if at respectful attention at the deathbed of what had been greatness. Looking down, they could see the last convulsions: the lights of the cars were darting through the streets, like animals trapped in a maze, frantically seeking an exit, the bridges were jammed with cars, the approaches to the bridges were veins of massed headlights, glittering bottlenecks stopping all motion, and the desperate screaming of sirens reached faintly to the height of the plane. The news of the continent's severed artery had now engulfed the city, men were deserting their posts, trying, in panic, to abandon New York, seeking escape where all roads were cut off and escape was no longer possible.
>The plane was above the peaks of the skyscrapers when suddenly, with the abruptness of a shudder, as if the ground had parted to engulf it, the city disappeared from the face of the earth. It took them a moment to realize that the panic had reached the power stations—and that the lights of New York had gone out.
Samuel Price
Imagine this but for the whole earth, viewed from a spaceship. Chills man.
Now I want a sci-fi version of Atlas Shrugged
Jose Wood
He literally did nothing wrong
Ryan Collins
Hail /lrg/ best thread. It's been a while.
Jaxon Rivera
I have yet to read anything by her, fiction usually bums me out. Is Atlas the best read?
Sebastian Scott
Bump
Asher Bell
If you get easily burned out by fiction, AS is definitely not where to start with Rand. It's a 1200 page behemoth designed to totally turn your worldview inside out. Once I picked it up I didn't put it down until I'd gone through it twice, 2 weeks later. You might want to do that if you're instantly drawn into it, like I was, but if you'd like to take Rand more slowly, the reading order I'd recommend is
>The Fountainhead
>The Virtue of Selfishness/For the New Intellectual/Philosophy: Who Needs It
(these are nonfiction philosophical works, to explain her philosophy in clear, definite terms and prove its validity)
>Atlas Shrugged for the finale.
>Also The Romantic Manifesto, Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal (all nonfiction), if you become interested in Rand's philosophy.
I can't recommend Ayn Rand enough, she really was a unique mind and will help you SORT YOURSELF OUT with the moral force of 1000 Jordan Petersons. Reading Rand is like entering a different world, for those who resonate with her. You'll find that if you agree with her you won't see anything or anyone the same again. It's like taking the redpill a second time.
(That's why she's often called a 'cult', despite Objectivists having next to no similarities with actual cult members - we are highly individualistic, critical, etc. Objectivism disagrees with literally everything else on the intellectual marketplace and refuses to compromise an inch on anything.)
Michael Wilson
Can someone edit Awaken My Masters but replace their heads with Hoppe, von Mises and Friedman? I don't have photoshop else I would
Benjamin Reed
I've got the skills, but I don't know what you're talking about. If you gotta image pls post it.
Owen Harris
Thanks, I'll have to pick up the fountainhead.
Gavin Sanders
If you want to know about her philosophy read The Virtue of Selfishness. It's all you need to read.
Atlas is her most famous work, but you will be reading more than a thousand pages and going nowhere. If you like the story that's great, but her ethics aren't as easy to catch.
Levi Wright
Technically true, but The Virtue of Selfishness is only a condensation in abstract terms. It's like saying that all you need to do to 'get' Christianity is read the Wikipedia page. You'd understand the essentials, in abstract terms, but you'd have only a foggy idea as to what they would mean for real life and for your life in particular. That's the purpose of Atlas Shrugged and fiction in general - to project an image of abstract ideas as they work in practice, as a sort of prototype or engineer's model to illustrate and concretize the abstract principles of engineering.
It's all very well to say, for example, that integrity and purpose are the highest virtues in a man, but to really understand what that means you have to imagine a Howard Roark or a John Galt.
John Perez
Yeah, I've read about the philosophy. I understand the basic bitch version. I guess fountainhead is the one I'll do. I have yet to see how objectivism isn't crypto AnCapism, even though she claims not to be an anarchist.
Leo Campbell
Well, I guess that's true too, it is not the same to understand something intellectually than to pick it up in a subliminal-emotional manner. I am biased because I dislike most of fiction and to me it feels like beating around the bush, but I recognize that what theory you have in your mind isn't that much important, it's the willingness to act correctly.
But have in mind in this specific case we're talking about a thousand and a hundred pages of Atlas Shrugged versus barely two hundred pages of VoS. And in these two hundred you have lots of practical examples that do the same trick as reading the fiction. I believe if people recommended Virtue of Selfishness over Atlas Shrugged there would be more people more knowledgeable of the specifics of her ethics, not just a general sense of them.
Christopher Green
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Dominic Jones
One hundred and sixty eight to one.
Not even the Barça could score this high.
Aiden Jackson
Yeah Linkin Park sucks anyway. Hybrid theory was a good meme tho.
Oliver White
You should bump this shit like they do in the future.
Xavier Ross
Bump
Christian Torres
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Juan Morgan
I have finally accepted that taxation is theft. Also, what ideology would this be called? I hate the government, but I also hate degeneracy...
Ryan Lopez
Left-Libertarianism is superior. You can't have liberty while you still have unjust hierarchies, and Capitalism IS an unjust hierarchy. Why should one human rule over another's life and ability to eat simply because he starts a business or was born into the right family or had the right genetics?
You Right-wingers are all the same. You all love licking boots, even the so-called 'Libertarians' amongst you
Colton Rogers
There's nothing unjust about it. Human beings and the nature which surrounds us are heterogeneous, that's an immutable fact.
Hierarchy is inevitable just based on the differences in ability and preferences.
Furthermore there's no "rulership" involved. All transactions are voluntary on the market. Those who work elect to do so, and if you can find a better lot somewhere else you're free to do so. There's no "boot-licking" involved, so quit being so dramatic.
It's literally based on the single solitary premise of self-ownership. I don't know how you commie bastards construe it as domination or whatever. You point to hierarchy like it's some devilish concoction while there is not a single facet of nature without its presence. Face the fact that trying to rid society of hierarchy is not only futile, but undesirable.
Blake Bennett
Hoppean AnCap/Paleolibertarianism is the way for you.
Kevin Smith
The next step for you is to accept that it is the welfare state and the states propaganda in general that is responsible for the spread of moral degeneration.
See
Aiden Turner
As Noam Chomsky said "The notion that a contract between a master and his starving subject is voluntary is laughable"
Capitalism isn't voluntary. It is necessary in order to survive. The choice is either work or die.
And again, it's an unjust hierarchy. What right does the Capitalist have to steal the surplus value that *I* have created through my own labour?
Anarchists aren't opposed to all hierarchies; just unjust ones. And you 'Anarcho-Capitalists' are a fucking joke too. All you're doing is replacing the dicking the State gives you with the dicking a Corporation gives you.
Justin Price
>Work or die
If I have to pick berries and hunt to feed myself I must be enslaved to nature. It's kinda like how gravity oppresses your freedom to float around.
Grow up, get a job. Get a haircut and pull up your god damn pants.
Jonathan Johnson
bumb
Angel White
Work for Capitalists or die, yes. Change 'Capitalist' to 'King' and you'll see how oppressive the relationship truly is.
Anthony Martinez
>As Chomsky said
Lol
People have to work. It's in the nature of every organism. If a man signs on with a boss, it's because he's deemed it more beneficial to be employed than to work alone (or with anyone else, for that matter). It's that simple.
If it were more beneficial to fuck off innawoods then you're free to do that too. Hell, you could make a commune if you'd like, so long as it's done by voluntary contract.
>Labor theory of value
You can fuck right off with that shit. The logical flaws have been so elucidated to the point that the majority of modern Marxists don't even ascribe to it anymore. Shows how much you know.
James Kelly
Grow food, live innawoods. Or you know, start a business.
Robert Garcia
What a stupid dichotomy. The same struggle is faced by man in nature.
This user put it well enough. I'm sure Chompy would bitch and moan about nature's oppression, too. Wake up, friend. Look at reality.
Camden Flores
But who will build the loos?
Leo Miller
You don't even have to subscribe to the LTV to understand surplus value. When does a worker ever get paid as much as the value of what he produces to the employer? The difference between actual value created and wages is what's called 'profit' in a parasitic relationship such as the Capitalist-worker one.
As for working, sure. But why does it have to be top-down? Why exactly can't the workers themselves own the means of production? Not only that, but we could produce so much food for so many more people if not for profiteers withholding the food for money. We have the technology; hell, even in MARX's time we had the technology! So much fucking food is thrown out by supermarkets because it wasn't bought, when there are individuals and families starving in the streets.
Nolan Sanders
The difference is that nature is not man. Man willingly makes such actions. He willingly chooses to oppress his fellow man
Ryan James
The worker gets paid *today* for what the capitalist makes a return on *tomorrow* (theoretically speaking)
The point being that time has value. Something immediate is more valued than something in the future. Hence the profit of the capitalist.
Also I'd like to point out that all of these conditions are voluntarily agreed upon by all parties involved :^)
>why does it have to be top-down? Why exactly can't the workers themselves own the means of production?
I don't give a shit. If they want to they can. I don't think it'll work very well in terms of efficiency or decision-making, which might explain why such a structure is so rare, but you're free to give it a shot (especially under an ancap system)
>Nature demands labor
>Cooperative/Divided labor is more productive than individual labor
>People decide to work together, with organizers and laborers
What exactly is oppressive about this? Again, nobody has to do it. People willingly decide to participate. The benefits of the system should be fairly obvious, Workers benefit enormously from such a system.
Aaron Brown
Bump
Parker Clark
What it do senpaitachi.
Colton Ross
Keep this shit bumped for a bit longer, I will be able to revive this thing in a few.
Bentley Gutierrez
Oh shit, it's motherfuckin Slovakia!
Jackson Adams
How do libertarians rectify issues with race? Is it property rights?
Blacks and hispanics aren't going to morph into free-market capitalists because of ideology.
They support their race and will use the government as a tool to exploit all others
Levi Johnson
Why is there literally no Gadsden flags here besides my own?
Alexander Parker
>We challenge power more than any National Socialists think they do.
This is why you are my greatest ally /lrg/
Logan Phillips
National Capitalist, NRx on top of that if you agree with Hoppe's views on democracy.
Anthony White
I personally see closing the borders and deporting the spics as a good way to eliminate Democrat voters who will no doubt implement socialism.
If we're talking AnCap, there are no race problems. You won't be forced to share a government with blacks anymore.
Gavin Jackson
Much love my fashy friend.
Jason Garcia
>''libertarians are just fascists in disguise''
>yeah and?
>mfw their heads explode
Jaxson Carter
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Jayden Miller
Freedom of association is a more powerful segregation enforcer than any government policy that has ever existed. Americans after 1965 don't know how a free society is suposed to work anymore. The refusal of associate with someone, the right to discrimination, once restored will naturally lead to a society in which ethnic groups help those of their kin more often than they will those of other ethnicities. The reason why so many minorities are so uppity in America is because of policies like Affirmative action, Welfare programs directed to them and many other policies that enable them to parasitize the most productive ethnicities.
The most likely outcome of a libertarian (minarchist / private law) society is voluntary racial segregation. Without government to protect people from the consequences of their actions, with no wealth redistribuing programs people are more likely than ever to stick to their own. You may argue that most progressives and pro-multi-kulti people would still be willing to stick with minorities but the truth is most of people defending that kind of policies are sheltered middle-to-upper class that know nothing about the real world and how these minorities actually behave. They'd suffer the full consequences of their actions if they ever did that and most likely change their minds.
The cause of moral degeneration in society is bad incentives caused by the welfare state. People are not degenerated by nature, they are only when they can get away with it.
ie: with no welfare there wouldn't be niglet single moms, or single mom epidemic at all
Aiden Smith
>Freedom of association is a more powerful segregation enforcer than any government policy that has ever existed
I promise I read your whole post. The problem is that even if property rights are the solution, minorities would never vote for property rights. Nothing short of a violent revolution would actually get us the lack of welfare and freedom of association.
I don't want to look like a shill, but I made a short 3 minute video about how all these other races will support themselves, and how a libertarian society will only come about with an extreme event: youtube.com
Matthew Rogers
How do you get "right" socialist to accept that this is the best way, when you care about civilization and your nation.
They still keep telling the same shit about free markets = multiculturalism
any tactics to get them to accept capitalism or should we just send them to the camps?
Wyatt Gray
>libertarian society will only come about with an extreme event.
I mostly agree with that, we're not talking about voting away the states tyranny. civil war is one answer, or succession, the reasonable option everyone forgets.
Noah Phillips
every once and a while I head over to /nsg/ to bounce some ideas off them. I've had some success in exploring libertarian ideas. I might be able to find my proposal i made to them. one sec mate.
Jaxon Lewis
'Anarcho'-capitalism is a regurgitation of feudalism and has nothing to do with the anarchist movement. Here are some materials to introduce you to anarchism and debunk 'anarcho'-capitalism claims to be part of the movement.
>Introduction to Anarchism
libcom.org
>The Anarchist FAQ
infoshop.org
>Is 'Anarcho'-Capitalism a form of Anarchism?
infoshop.org
>'Anarcho'-Capitalism is impossible.
c4ss.org
>What is Property, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
theanarchistlibrary.org
>The Conquest of Bread, Peter Kropotkin
theanarchistlibrary.org
>Markets not capitalism
radgeek.com
Tyler Turner
This is a great thread for discussing things with people who do not understand basic economics.
Jacob Ramirez
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Dylan Foster
Libertarianism is not anti identitarian. Not enforcing something with a govermnent does not equal to combatting it. If anything leaving identity matters to the individual will make discrimination far more effective than if it was left to the government, and also more legitimate.
Realistic libertarians don't expect to government, out of the magic of democracy, to start enforcing property rights properly, or to start privatizing en masse everything it has unjustly taken control of. Developed nation states in the modern era are largely bankrupt because new technologies enable the individual to escape government control by finding alternatives to government services, evading taxation and many other ways (look up agorism). Most of these states will eventually collapse and fragment in smaller sovereignties that will be more easily controlled in an ethnic basis. Eventually these sovereignties, due to the incentives of the information age and technology, will fragment so much that will become irrelevant and might even be replaced by city-states, or, as in the ancap model, private cities or communities with their own law enforcement forces.
It's not that we have to get the state to do X in order of our ideas to work, it's that, eventually, whatever the state tries to do will become irrelevant.
A good example of what private societies would be like is Atlantic Station. Of course it's not 100% but it's the most approximated thing there is:
Andrew Thompson
heres my chat with them if you feel like reading, I pretty much chat with one guy about how in order to create white socialism you must be economically and socially free from our current zog. it gets a bit deeper than that but here it is.
Evan Reyes
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Parker Ortiz
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Isaac Howard
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Robert Russell
That things I always bring up when discussing with them, but still they just respond with this will lead to gated communities (without even explaining why this should be a bad thing) and that the left are just the footsoldiers of the capital, you know the common stuff.
I found it easier even Irl to find a common ground with libertarians and classical liberals than with patriots, since I went full free market.
And when you mention:
>the individual to escape government control by finding alternatives to government services, evading taxation....
they say that this is horrible and we need more gov power to prevent this, while saying at the same time our government betrayed us, when they opened the borders.
Jeremiah Reed
Yeah whatever, get in the airborne oven.
Ethan Collins
thanks
Brayden Stewart
>gated communities as a bad thing
What? Wasn't Nazi Germany a giant gated community?
You gotta know what kind of idiot you're talking to, theres a couple of reasonable NatSocs in /nsg/ you can talk to but a whole bunch of them are completely ignorant of the NatSoc ideology. if you're talking to a retard dont bother. catch the attention of one or two well read nazis and show them why the current state prevents their utopia from existing
Liam Allen
Stay mad classcuck.
Chase Hernandez
low energy.
Nicholas Reyes
So are Russians the good or the bad guys?
pls commies have some coherence.
Joseph Bennett
I get your point with agorism. Over 50% of cigarettes sold in NY are illegally sold cigarettes from other states (to avoid the high taxes)
The soviet union collapsed because it could not outspend the US. Even if you got your communistic utopia, it will always be underarmed than a capitalistic society.
Carter Scott
I meant people in real life I know, patriots but cucked to the state and all it brings.natsocs don't exist here.
But since I stopped the blame everything on capitalism bs, I can't stand them anymore, but would like them to see that there are great guys on the libertarian/ancap side.
So I thought you guys know some kind of shocktherapy for it.
But I will try it with a subtle way like the other user posted, maybe it helps.
Bentley Morris
This never happened,but afghan terrorists used anti-air weapons made in usa to fight against the soviet invasion
Thomas Gutierrez
>This never happened
Everything is possible in your head, if you believe in communism
Ryder Moore
Yes, the point of agorism is that eventually compliance with the law becomes so costly people will just lose all respect they have for it.
>mfw in my country I buy tobacco by kilograms in the black market.
>mfw everyone I know does it
>mfw it costs 1/4th of the official regulated tobacco that is riddled with poison
Liam Anderson
>yfw Konkin called himself a left-rothbardian
Hudson Allen
ah, im sorry. what Kinda patriots you talking? you 'merican? If we're talking about normal-fags you might need to dig up some left-libertarian cucked ancap arguments. while they aren't true to our ideals they make cases that even egalitarian multiculturalism spewing pinko's have to agree on.
what were their issues? I can maybe work out some arguments for you.
Ryan Robinson
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Brandon Torres
is regular tobacco good in a pipe?
Isaac Kelly
I like it better than cigars. you choose exactly how much you want. the tabbaco is usually higher quality, more variety, less branding and marketing bullshit. you choose by looking and smelling it rather than some pretentious label and heresay.
David Cooper
Do you live in the balkans, sounds like when a friend tells me from hometown.
Austria, they aren't normies they are pretty far on the right, but everyone here is slightly socialistic and proud to pay taxes.
>what were their issues? I can maybe work out some arguments for you.
They are already on the nationalistic/patriotic side, but without any economic knowledge, still repeating the lies about capitalism and multinational companies etc etc etc.
also they don't seem to understand the difference between a nation and a state.
So the task would be to make a patriot who is anti immigration more libertarian.
Hudson Davis
Agorism is how most ex-USSR republics state managed economies collapsed for. People just ignored the government officials and did what benefitted the most, which was to àrtake in revolutionary free markets (contraband, smuggling). Eventually the state managed economies had to back down and limit their claims on the economy if they wanted to ever get any level of consent from the people. Proof markets and private property are the natural state of a prosperous human society and abolition of it can only be brought upon by violence.
In my country (somewhere in Europe) we had similar episodes like that. It is believed many people survived the post war rationing times by recurring to the black markets.
It is fantastic in every way you want to consume it. Stop immediately buying the commercial tobacco, or at least any that isn't labeled as 100% natural. Most of the nasty effects attributed to 'tobacco' (cancers, heart disease, etc) are actually caused by the chemical additives.
Addition of these chemicals and the subsequent studies linking tobacco to cancers was a plot to get the government to regulate the tobacco industry. The producers then got to deal with less competition and the state with more tax revenue. Every time you buy tobacco you're getting 'jewed', as most of Sup Forums would say.
Southern Europe has every day more Balkan-tier standards for everything. We aren't first world at all.
Adam Miller
>implying your parents would tolerate you keeping a rocket launcher in their basement
Airborne lockers when?
Nicholas Williams
excellent thread, as always.
Andrew Howard
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