Sup Forums why do you think capitalism is good?

As the name suggests, capitalism only benefits those who have capital

>Land on 'Chance'
>Card says "You inherit $100 mill."
>Invest it in a safe scheme
>Never work for day in life
How is that justified? How can a system reward someone for doing nothing

>Wage cuck works hard in factory to manufacture products to boost economy
>Makes $70,000 a year

>Capitalist Porky puts $14 mill in bank as fixed deposit which he inherited from daddy porky
>Collects interest $70,000 per year
Is it productive for society?

Capitalism is so worse that it even justifies the degradation of environment for profit
>Be member of board of directors
>Attend Annual General Meeting once a year in a 5 star hotel with 3 high end hookers on top
>All porky capitalist directors decide to dump pollutants in local lake because it saves money
>Local employees and their families suffer due to polluted surroundings
>Meanwhile Porky is fucking Thai traps in high end Bangkok hotel


>B-b-but m-muh capitalism brought so many inventions and developments

Every landmark invention/discovery in the history of humanity was made with the intent of making world a better place. Money was just a small incentive they got for their contribution. The latest R&D is done only to find ways to cut cost not to make lives easier.

>R&D dept. makes a better method of production which cuts down production time by half
>Potentially workers would have to work half the hours they put in job and enjoy rest half with their family and doing what they love
>Porky directors cut down the work force by half instead
>Half work force work same hours as before, other half is unemployed
>Porky bangs a hooker in his private office

Throughout history it can be seen that capitalism is against anything that helps alleviate human suffering unless there is profit to be earned.

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I don't know about all that, OP, but I have a buddy that books free helicopter rides online if you want to get in touch.

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In the United states you are free to establish a socialist community under the guise of a religious organization.

You can be wholly tax exempt, they just require you to take care of your members. The Amish do it, and they intentionally handicap themselves technologically.

You can even benefit from developments that result from capitalism. You can have the best of both worlds.

Why haven't you?

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Sup Forums are slaves of the international jew who prop themselves up with capitalism

Sup Forums has fallen for the deep state's conspiracy to make the working people fight eachother rather than our overlords.

tl;dr
Capitalism decentralizes authority over the economy. That's mostly why it's the only system that ever worked.
People can build up capital under capitalism, when workers have some bargaining power (which is something liberals try their hardest to prevent apparently).

You think nature oppresses you, and you think you're entitled to what other people have.

Both of those beliefs are wrong - the first because nature isn't a thing with a will and can't *DO* or intend anything such that pretending nature can oppress you is an illogical anthropomorphization of an abstract state of affairs, and the second is wrong because you're simply sheerly not owed what other people have for merely existing.

I have nothing against technology (I support automation of all the jobs so humans can live without worrying for next paycheck while robots do all the manual work)

Capitalism was nice but right now it does nothing except suck the money out of lower classes and puts it in the hands of capitalist who did nothing productive.

Believe me, Capitalism is obsolete and detrimental to society.

who will build your roads?

Being able to live a better lifestyle than other people, dressing better and having a luxurious car gives me a massive boner, especially when i remember that more than half the population of the world dreams to live like me and they simply can't.

The Highway Worker's Cooperative

No they won't they will have no incentive to do so, they rather sit on their asses and drink vodka.

Yeah World owes me nothing but I don't owe world anything either. Why do people have to work for basic needs like food, water, clothing ,and shelter. We have an abundance of them. Everyday tonnes of food is spoiled because there is no one to buy them. Why not just give it hungry instead of waiting for it become inedible?

I'm glad that capitalism brought us such technology but we are now more than capable of automating every job so that nobody has to work again. So why not automate everything and let the world be free?

Get a job nigger
>captcha: helicopter

Automated robots
Just punch the command in and watch them run around like roombas

>Why do people have to work for basic needs like food, water, clothing ,and shelter. We have an abundance of them.

And why do you think that is......, oh yeah because of incentives...

The basic reason why capitalism is cancer. People who jerk-off to suffering of others

who will build these robots when there is no incentive to study and work hard for higher education?

that's why I'm a national socialist :^)

yeah it seems to work, everybody else is eating mud cakes n shit.

>Yeah World owes me nothing
Correct.
>but I don't owe world anything either
Also correct - "the world" isn't a person with a will and you owe it nothing.

I don't know how you extend from these two reasonable beliefs to a question of why people work. People work to produce things they and others want and value. They trade with one another because it's more efficient for a person who's good at one thing to do that thing instead of something they're not as good at - it's what we call in economics "comparative advantage". More value is produced, and people trade for what they want based on whatever things that they accrue in their producing that they want to trade.

>thinks endless leisure time is a reward
the most wothless ive ever felt is when i didnt have a job

>Unless there's a profit to be earned

Can you tell me what to work on to improve the human condition?

Not "A" thing, but "The" thing: What maximizes the good?

In socialist regimes, this must necessarily be commanded by the state, generally being inefficient or inaccurate, not to mention prone to corruption.

In the capitalist systems, I simply look to prices: X is more expensive than Y, because the people want X more than they want Y.

This rule typically only breaks down in highly regulated or very small markets: pharmacy comes to mind. Of course, corruption remains an issue, but the distribution of the system across the entire population significantly reduces the impact (Imagine if instead of just Epi-pens, all medication tripled in price)

You make some poor assumptions as well. Inheritance was at one point in the past earned: When you demand that their inheritance be distributed, you are also demanding the scattering of your own legacy.

Your statement on environmentalism is also inaccurate: They dump pollution in the lake because they do not own the lake... They will not poison their own wells, and if another owned one, they would not permit others to destroy them as well.

You are saying an entire system is defunct, because 0.1% of it seems unfair.

>lefty/pol/ memes

I don't even like capitalism but your memes are shit. Porky is forced and blunt on the eyes, it doesn't work.

The only way to fix this system is a benevolent monarchy.

>That's mostly why it's the only system that ever worked.
That's horseshit, capitalism is in it's infancy over the thousands of years we've experienced Monarchy. Seeing the way Capitalism is going it will end up being the second fastest system to be disposed of right after communism.

Money is not an incentive it's just a means to stay alive these days.
If money was such a great incentive then there would be no such thing as a NEET. BTW What incentive are you getting by defending capitalism?

You didn't answer the question.
You're free to leave the system and join a commune any time you want. Why haven't you?

>let's slowly kill thousands of people by fucking up the economy and the production of goods and services, but hey! it's okay because we really wanted to help them.

fucking commies

>How is that justified? How can a system reward someone for doing nothing

The parents own the cash and have a justifiable right to give the cash to whoever they chose.

>Is it productive for society?

Yes, the bank lends out the money to businesses that need financing.

>Capitalism is so worse that it even justifies the degradation of environment for profit


Communists and socialist degrade the environment for ideology, which is worse.

>Every landmark invention/discovery in the history of humanity was made with the intent of making world a better place.

Source required

>The latest R&D is done only to find ways to cut cost not to make lives easier.

Source required

>Half work force work same hours as before, other half is unemployed

US unemployment is quite low. Reality contradicts the portrayal.

we'll see about that. Right now, capitalism was able to produce more goods, more peace and more people than every other system in the history of mankind.

>BTW What incentive are you getting by defending capitalism?

Literally money, that I can earn for myself.

it would be a big disensentive to do anything if i couldn't leave tons of shit to my spawn n company.

Believe me we'd have people who'd do such great things out of passion and, if given enough resources, can revolutionize the whole planet.
For example, Just look at the Arduino community, they tinker and play and programme away like crazies without getting any money. They even make robots for fun.
Then we also have people who learned coding for fun.

we're not capitalists you fucking dipshit

gas yourself

>Just look at the Arduino community, they tinker and play and programme away like crazies without getting any money. They even make robots for fun.
>Then we also have people who learned coding for fun.
thanks capitalism

HHAHAHAHAHAAHHA have you ever seen the Sovjet Union? China? Cuba? In all of these "communist" states people had NO doctors, NO decent education, NO food, NO luxury goods.

A good example were people who had to travel abroad just to get professional western surgury done. Mostly only the higher ups in the socialist states could afford that though...

Are you literally retarted?

Money is a medium of exchange people utilize to make trade easier. Most people have material ambitions such that they'd rather spend some of their time and energy in pursuit of accumulating money so that they can acquire things they or others close to them want than not spend some time in that pursuit.
People like to go on vacations, eat nicer foods, have the latest technologies before they hit a lower price range, etc etc etc. Some people care about those things more and some care about them less. NEETs generally care about those things less, and the disvalue of pursuing them isn't worth it as far as they see it. But most people are not NEETs, and want material things and to have families, and they manage to make what they want happen by producing value and trading.

One should rather say "underemployment", then unemployment, because capitalists still think having 3 jobs is fine, as long as you didn't enherited money from your parents - while (((they))) allowed it to happen in the first place.

Do we have a strausser in our midst?

Comrade, your weed must be amazing.

>As the name suggests, capitalism only benefits those who have capital

blatantly wrong, living standards have been raising all over the world thanks to it, never in the history of mankind the bigger problem was obesity rather than starvation

>...Invest...
>How is that justified? How can a system reward someone for doing nothing

are you implying investments do nothing, because the last time I've checked the countries with larger percentage of investments tend to quite well

>Wage cuck
>Makes $70,000 a year

are you fucking daft ?

>Capitalist Porky puts $14 mill in bank as fixed deposit which he inherited from daddy porky

capitalists like to invest their income rather than sleep on it, as the inflation will eat it up

>Capitalism is so worse that it even justifies the degradation of environment for profit

abbos turned australia in to a desert with 30 000 year forest fires, mezo americans managed to fuck up their soil due to unsustainable farming practices, medieval europeans chopped down the trees covering the entire continent, fucking soviet union polluted it's environment with no regards to human life and sustainability

so no, people in general in every system were short sighted as fuck, capitalism however have the means to actually protect the environment and it's been doing it unlike the other systems mentioned

>Every landmark invention/discovery in the history of humanity was made with the intent of making world a better place.

partly, the inventors are highly skilled professionals that are motivated with money, they do help the world but without material incentive, most would not suffer trough decades of mental torture

>R&D dept. makes a better method of production which cuts down production time by half

and thus optimization is born, people are freed to search more fulfilling jobs


for a self proclaimed communist you are quite obsessed with other's people money and sexual life, almost like you are jealous

Because it works.

you can do all of that shit too you fucking moron

but you're too busy masturbating to anime traps and too fat to fucking move

fuck off

if you can't fix yourself you can't fix the world, fag

We do not live under real capitalism, Real capitalism has no state intervention

I don't think rampant unregulated capitalism is a good idea, but neither is taxing the shit out of your people.
The best solution is a system that forces corporations to become moderated and produce locally.

because is makes life comfy

we should go for extreme unregualted capitalism

socialism causes great dperessions and high prices low supply

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;))))

I sympathize but no I would not identify myself as a nazbol. The differences are minimal in modern context, I don't see why the fracture. Both ideologies need to adapt (preferably into the same one) to the modern landscape.

Right but current capitalist structure creates unnecessary competition which leads to even more waste of resources.
Say, Egypt has a factory which makes Doritos-like snacks. Suddenly Doritos decides to send a ship full of Doritos to sell it to Egyptians. Ideally I think it was unnecessary because Egypt already had something like Doritos and it was more than capable of manufacturing them but instead they decided to waste fuel and food to ship Doritos from USA to Egypt

What will you do when you earn enough that you can feed you next 10 generations? I think it's not the money that motivates you, its the personal satisfaction of working.

Entire system is defunct because it creates unnecessary competition (Top 1% is just a symptom to a bigger problem) and stops scientific progress which can reduce cost to consumer. Say, somebody develops a cure for Cancer and it costs only $12. Do you think it is profitable to release it for consumers who pay over $100,000 on cancer treatments?

Culturally enrich yourself

Because those privileges are only of those who partake in the system. Good education, best healthcare and lifestyle which can be given foe little to no cost are being charged like gold

Dont worry I'm not a communist. I think it's cancer too because it advocates seizure of means of production by government but I advocate that the means of production should be completely automated.

I'm talking about direct incentive, not derived incentive. Is someone paying you for this or is it personal satisfaction?

The only reason neets exist is because they have enough money not to die on the streets which should be taken away to give them incentive to work

Like I said, Capitalism was nice to usher us through Industrial revolution but it has lived past it's utility, now it's just jews jerk circle.

I'm not a communist, mate. Communism wants the government to have the means of production but I say that automate every last job so humans don't have to work for 8 hours a day.

So why pay for having a family and raising children when those things can be free.

Have a (you)

Why not automate every means of production? We are more than capable of doing that today

>Thinks right to live is an inventive
Heartless Chinese chinks have taken over your country I presume

"Corruption"?
If you're talking about the state, of course the state is corrupt - everything a state does and stands for is evil incarnate.

If people didn't think it was worth selling Doritos in Egypt they wouldn't do it. The fact that in your hypothetical people do means they think it's worth their time and energy. If people are doing what they want and it yields results they value, they'll keep doing that thing. If they miscalculate and can't sell Doritos in Egypt, they'll generally stop the effort. Market incentive is to minimize waste - if you're losing money in your candy shop because some of your products just aren't popular, you're generally going to stop spending money to stock those candies that don't sell. These are basic, intuitively understandable examples of people pursuing what they value in life that are at the crux of understanding economic activity and the motivation of human activity.

You seem to think we love porky, he will get the oven just like you internationalist fucking rats.

You don't even know what Capitalism is, you fool.

Capitalism is NOT corporations.

Educate yourself faggot.

>So why pay for having a family and raising children when those things can be free
Free to whom?
Someone has to change diapers. Someone has to get food. Someone has to drive. Things must be done for things to get done - is your complaint unironically simply that you think other people ought to do those for you? Why? You've already said people don't owe you anything, which is a reasonable belief.

>Like I said, Capitalism was nice to usher us through Industrial revolution but it has lived past it's utility

What, you mean creating everything you use on daily bases ?

It's never been more relevant that today and swindlers and parasites ((())) are an active detriment to it.

The biggest benefit to capitalism is probably that I actually get paid for my work rather than being forced into slave labor and if I refuse or fail to meet quotas I get shot for "betraying the people".

So yeah, I like not being a slave and being alive. That is why.

I said "Unnecessary competition", you retard. Why shit on resources by import and export when one country is capable of creating the same thing but only thing stopping it is capitalist jews sitting on the patents

I love this "PORKY PORKY" meme. It's really funny, but OP the commie needs a nice helicopter ride.

>Land on 'Chance'
>Card says "You inherit $100 mill."
>Invest it in a safe scheme
>Never work for day in life
How is that justified? How can a system reward someone for doing nothing


Why shouldn't you be free to work hard and leave all your money to your kids? How much work do think is done each year by people who want to give their kids the most security they can?

Captitalism is one of the best things we've ever invented, I agree with you that this current incarnation of capitalism completely sucks but that's because it's just been jewed to fuck and is nothing like how we first envisioned it. We have to go back to the 1850's in ecomonics relationships borders everything.

Who defines what is 'unnecessary' vs necessary competition?

Wow a name invented by Karl Marx would *shocker* support Karl Marx's position? True genius only proletarian can deduce this.

Well is the world following the book version of Capitalism,eh Porky? Corporations are the ones who rule them tho.

Now change that someone to something because I do not want humans to work such manual jobs like making diapers, harvesting food, or driving. We can automate those jobs instantly. Why are you Capitalists getting boner about getting mundane jobs which always have the risk of getting automated? Just let it happen and live happily while robots do the job while you work minimal and paid equitably.

Not a commie. Just a guy who wants everything automated, bong.

The lack of resources does. If competition creates waste then it's unnecessary.

Dont bother trying to rationalize with marxist. People give Christians shit, but it is literally hard coded into the DNA of Marxism that any fact or idea that opposes it is "Borg" science unfit for proletariate "facts". They cannot be argued with, within the context of their own ideology.

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SAGE it

>Now change that someone to something because I do not want humans to work such manual jobs

No we can't, otherwise these would be automated by now since robots are cheaper than human labor you fucking moron.

Listen, mate. I don't give a fuck about equality. I want equity and a Jew-Free Economy which knows how to handle resources properly without looking for profit.

>capitalism only benefits those who have capital
Your body is capital. it's worth something even if you just want to sell your own organs. It is a means of production, champ.

Also, any porky with 14 mill, making 70k in interest a year is fucking themselves at 0.5% interest. That's shit interest for that kind of money, or even a savings account of a few thousand.

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At least you came back for one

Automation is not a magic wand, it's really, really hard to do and even worse its possible to do it get it to work and it actually lowers productivity and people might not even notice. Look at how American car manufactures tried to use it in the 80's vs the Japanese Jidoka model.

Do you not realize that scarcity and infinite demand all competiton valid by your own mindset? Not that I'd expect some dumb vatnik shitposting from leftypol to know even child-tier economics.

In the first case, that's problem with the banks, not capitalism. In the second casw, if they can afford it and not lose to competition it means they're doing something right. Also, it's pretty funny that you say that progress would've been made even without money, while all PCs and universal access to internet have happened specifically because people wanted to profit off that. You've gotta face it, capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the best system available (communism is a joke).

He'd have to get an actual job then.

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Then happily switch over to universal income and pay minimal for everything.

How can you properly manage without valuations determined by market prices. Look up the "economic calculation problem" if you have enough brain cells to type that out.

I always argue to crowd, that's where you can change minds.

It's not that it's so good

It's that every alternative is garbage still

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bring fascism back

I'm just letting you know senpai, even if a marxist saw a contradictory fact with their own eyes they wouldnt believe it. It's sad really.

Seattle will be next with sharia law

>capitalism only benefits those who have capital
Literally created the highest living standards in the history of the world, for 3 separate classes.
>>Never work for day in life
Isn't that the dream of all commie faggots anyway? So why are you blasted
>Is it productive for society? In a capitalist economy, yes. Stay in school faggot.

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>Automation is hard to do
It's not that fucking hard, McD felt like automating, they did it. Car manufacturers felt like doing it so they did it. Even farms are getting automated these days with minimal human interaction. IDK where did you see the lowering of productivity because in long run, productivity has always increased

Wake the fuck up, cave man

I think the benefit of free market capitalism is that, with a sperg-like dedication to your business, craft, or simply the art of making shit tons of money, literally anyone has the opportunity to make it big, however big the chance, and however large the deck stacked against you. Nepotism and avarice are an unfortunate byproduct of fabulous success and wealth, but the acceptance of these vices as a known or been encouraged way of conducting oneself is a powerful testament to the efficacy and power of capitalism.

Inherited capital is indeed landing on the chance card, and it is indeed often wildly unfair bullshit, but those people did not choose to be born rich, ergo their lives in a wealthy family or dynasty are not inherently at fault.

See this shit? This is what happens when you make an ideology with all the grace and sophistication of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. People start thinking self-actualization happens AFTER you bust your ass putting food on the table and fighting the barbarians at the gates and not during.
I would never want to live in a Communist success.
Shit, I'd take suffering another Communist failure before I'd be content with the goal of Communism.
You people are fucking freaks. At least when a fascist kills you he's got the decency to make sure you die after, a Commie'll end your life and then have you live out the rest of your days.

Oh and who does all the jobs nobody wants to do? You know why would I do a shitty job if I have universal basic income and doing a shitty job doesn't pay me anything?

Neck yourself, faggot

My job won't be automated until we have fully automous humanoid robots, I reckon that's atleast 50 years away yeah we can automate factories but what about everything else?

I completely get you famalam. I just feel you have to try and keep your argument as Sharpe as you can, you never know when you might encounter a maxian argument in real life and need to shoot it down as effectively and quickly as possible.

All competition is valid but not necessary.

The same ol invisible hand will sort it out.

Capitalism = source of all degeneracy

>Throughout history it can be seen that capitalism is against anything that helps alleviate human suffering unless there is profit to be earned.

You got any facts to back up your claims?
Capitalism does not benefit everyone equally but it does benefit everyone. Since the spread of capitalism we have become more free, more healthy, more wealthy than any other time in history. But capitalism does help the smartest first and most. But even the poorest amongst us benefit.

Is there something better? If there is we haven't found it yet.