What is the absolute earliest point of the Trump/Russia narrative?

Where/When did the Trump/Russia story even originate? What is the earliest traceable occurrence of this meme/narrative?

My memory of the election is blurry, so many happenings, but I have a faint recollection of this narrative being conjured up around the time that Trump basically said something along the lines of "I don't know Putin, but maybe we can work together".

That's a scary thought though, is the fact that Trump basically said that he didn't want to go to war with Russia the catalyst of all this?

Anyone remember? Help me shed some light anons.

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Pretty sure it was the week the DNC got caught rigging the primaries for Clinton in emails and Debbie Wasserman Schultz got fired. It was basically a year ago now.

Hillary

I shit you not. It was during the debates, don't know if Trump or a moderator brought it up but the DNC Hack came up and basically Hillary slided to Russia being the bad guy. Obviously Russia didn't want to get into a nuke war so they didn't want Hilldawg as C.I.C. so the left used that to pin Trump and Russia together.

Course this is all to distract from the ass pounding lawsuit the DNC is fighting for screwing bernouts from their socialist saviour. And the Elites have always wanted Russia in the spotlight. It was only until the election that they could shove it into the news cycle.

I remember cause up until that point Russia was not relevant at all. Was weird to me for her bring that up out of the blue and run with it. If you repeat a word on the news over 100,000 times (like terrorism) people get brainwashed into thinking it must be important.

It was hatched by the Hillary campaign sometime right after the DNC emails were leaked. It started to be taken seriously by MSM after Trump's "Russia, if you're listening . . ." joke.

DNC leaks revealing collusion against Sanders.
To this fucking day I can't believe people bought the narrative. It's like a petulant child crying about getting caught doing something wrong rather than being remorseful over their actions.

I don't care if fucking Ivan rowed a nuclear submarine clear across the country to break into the DNC, the truth is the truth and America is THE LAST country to be whining about foreign intervention.

It got going during the first quarter of 2016 (heat of the primaries) when Trump made comments about trying to work things out with Russia and that Putin could maybe be reasoned with.

Then in April Trump made concrete comments about NATO and how they had to pay their fair share. (TRUMP: THREAT TO NATO?? ALLIES BEGIN TO PANIC, DANGEROUS!!) Then came his foreign policy speech where he outright said he wanted to find a way to work with Russia on areas of common interest. That clinched it. Bunch of scare articles from that point forward, DNC 'hack" was the next month, revealed in June.

it's shitler ...y - on tv saying "muh russians

When he refused to say mean things about Putin

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DNC leaks.

At that point it was simply "Russia hacked us, don't read!" Basically the world's largest case of "the dog ate my homework".

DNC has been in full on Godfather mode ever since, cozying up with CIA, knocking off lawyers, killing Seth Rich, taking over Trump's DOJ and weaponizing it against him, etc..

It's a mess.

I remember it was late in the primaries early in the general election that the story got rolling.
I think it was because Trump was very friendly to Russia which caused these accusations.

Didnt CNN and MSBC start it up

Put the Trump Tower "secret" emails to Alfa Bank on the timeline.

I don't think there was any one point. It started because people noticed a pattern in how Trump responded to questions about Russia. His constant praise of Russia while admonishment of other basically every other country was just suspicious.

This, it appeared briefly and was then dropped entirely for the remainder of the election process. Then Trump wins and MUH RUSSIA!!!

During a debate, I believe. The funny part is that Trump himself was the first one to bring up hacking/rigging of the election. Democrats, and even Barry O. called him a buffoon and to "stop whining." Then as soon as they lost they jumped on this fucking nonsense by bringing up the new red scare.

It is also noteworthy that they hopped on a more general
and earlier putin/russia == pure evil narrative.

It's also obvious at this point that they were planning on using this to come after him after he lost the election. Can you imagine the bullshit they would have been able to conjure if he didn't have a single friend in the DOJ?

December 2015 when Flynn and Stein were the personal guests of Putin.

no, it wouldn't have happend because of him, had he lost.

This is being hung over Trump's head to prevent him from fully staffing the DOJ with his people and to prevent detente with Russia. For now, it's working.

I hope he has aces up his sleeve. We need another info dump on Dems/deep state to turn the tide.

yeah, how did this shit start?

I think it all started when sessions committed perjury

Right before the Republican National Convention when Manafort was on the team

It's hard to say but this guy makes a good point:

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What initially made me suspicious of the Trump campaign vis-a-vis Russia was people like Paul Manafort and Carter Page being involved. I knew who they were and the types of people they associated with. Also, Team Trump's successful effort to change the GOP platform position on Ukraine, to a Putin-friendly stance, was weird. The signs were there.

As opposed to funding neo-Nazis to overthrow the elected Ukrainian government? What would we ever do without Jewish war criminals like Nuland and Kagan?

Trump has been working with Russian for decades, and probably a person of interest to the Intelligence Community for about as long.

So... years.

Hysteria kicked in after the leaks, but the narrative has been around and media use this in Europe all the time ("Sweden Democrats!"), while in Eastern Europeans it's a routine.

I've discovered Daily Stormer around March 2016 and they were praising Vladimir Putin. Kremlin's connections with fringe European parties go years before that.

They could and would use it even without the hacks, just not 24/7 probably.

Rigging and hacking are not the same thing. Rigging means there is a fixed outcome, ie Hillary was already set up to win and citizen voting was basically a scam. This would require collusion between the 50 states and the thousands of people involved in the electoral college across the country. It is a ridiculous thing to say, and that is what people called Trump out on.

Hacking has nothing to do with "rigging" an election, and actually did happen, well before Trump was claiming anything was "rigged" against him (he didn't start putting that out there until maybe a month before the election). Russia hacked into the servers of the DNC and state election systems containing voter roll data starting from at Summer 2016 at the latest, ie not long after Trump won the nomination and Trump Jr. was meeting with Russian agents in Trump Tower.

The only time I remember Trump bringing up hacking was when he asked Russia on live TV to hack into Hillary's e-mails.

It all started when the intelligence agencies first started saying Russia was behind the DNC hack and Trump basically didn't give a fuck. Then people started noticing the odd connections between Russians and Trumps campaign as well as Trump himself refusing to say anything negative about Russia or Putin. Then shit went into overdrive once multiple people got caught lying about meetings with Russians.

she is also responsible for trying to label this phenomenon by a name that was already being used

November 9th, 2016

Even if true, who cares?

Unless you can show that the leaks were faked, then it doesn't matter.

>How dare those Russians expose our crimes!

>Where/When did the Trump/Russia story even originate?

it was a scare mongering campaign designed specifically to get the baby-boomer vote.

Baby Boomers are the largest voting block in the US, they outnumber many other generations combined, and effectively control elections atm (the next 2-3 maybe more)

Baby boomers dont trust the media, they think everyone's a lying a cunt, so trying to get them to vote for Hillary was never going to be easy

Then someone at the DNC remembered that Baby-Boomers were brought up fearing THE SOVIET MENACE.

que media cycle after media cycle of ebil Russians, and the DNC thought they had it in the election in the bag.

except baby-boomers dont trust the media, so this has all be a colossal waste of time.

around the time of the DNC leak

short term memory deficient trump shills who conveniently ignore timelines will say otherwise though

It's not even about Trump, it's about the Russians. I remember watching the very first GOP debate, and everyone there aside from Trump talked about (in a roundabout way)
>War with Russia.
I don't know what the game is, but someone really wants a war with Russia.

I also remember Obongo talking about Russia being irrelevant, and incapable of doing to US any harm whatsoever.

No it wasn't, Shillary was using the "POOTAHN" card during the debates

We remember. It was used as a deflection strategy. "The dog ate my homework". Now it has metastasized into full on sedition against the elected POTUS.

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Gucifer hacking dnc somehow concluded that it was a russian prop fueled by trump.

When actually it was a cia plant in the dnc that took the data, hony potted it as russian with day 0 tech, then mapped it as a proxy over the 'leak'. Undermining anything to come about of the trump campaign.

It is revenge for the Hillary case being reopened during elections. That was her nail in the coffin.

yes, neocon 'philosophy' calls for a clearcut good v. evil story

To this day the DNC email servers have avoided forensic analysis from US intelligence. CrowdStrike and Fusion GPS are the basis for leading the charge against the elected US government.

Julian Assange has stated repeatedly that the emails were leaked by an insider. I believe him over childfucking, regime changing, dick chopping Democrats.

Half true. This is where the Russian meddling narrative started, however we didn't hear anything about Trump collusion until after the election results, because everyone assumed Clinton would win.

>Where/When did the Trump/Russia story even originate?
Trump made a joke to a giant audience that if anyone had the missing Clinton e-mails, that they should give them to the FBI. Media then went full-court press on the narrative that Trump was asking Russia to proceed to hack Clinton's server, even though said server had been removed years prior.

Winrar.., soon as the hack happened, it was muh Russia from then on

the MSM "started" the collusion narrative when Roger Stone hinted at the release of emails that would hurt Podesta and after Trump called on the Russians to hack Hillary's emails at one of his rallies

you ate up this boards pro-trump shilling with shovels if you forgot when the whole collusion thing became and issue

Your characterization of U.S. efforts in Ukraine is absurd Putinist propaganda.

new think tank headed by Hillary Clinton foreign policy advisor Laura Rosenberger and Marco Rubio foreign policy advisor Jamie Fly is on a mission to secure democracy in the US and around the world from Vladimir Putin's campaign of Cyberterrorism and Hybrid Warfare. A slew of Obama and Bush administration officials, Hoover Institution fellows and Bill Kristol sit on its Advisory Council.

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The Alliance is funded by the German Marshall Fund of the United States, a globalist slush fund founded by the West German government in 1972. Justin Raimondo outlines its numerous foreign donors:

Don’t be misled by the “of the US” appellation: the German Marshall Fund is an instrument of the German government, which has subsidized it to the tune of several million dollars since its founding. It has offices in eight countries, including the US. And it’s not just the Germans who are involved. Aside from the German Foreign Office, the donors include:

Sweden’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($500,000-999,000)
Japan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($250,000-499,999)
Norway’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($250, 499,999)
Compagnia di San Paolo, a quasi-governmental association of Italian banking interests ($1,000,000-1,999,999)
The government of Montenegro ($100,000-249,999)
Belgium’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($100,000-249,999)
The Brussels Capital Region (the municipality of Brussels) ($100,000-249,999)
Latvia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($100,000-249,999)
Romania’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($100,000-249,999)
United Kingdom Foreign and Commonwealth Office ($100,000-249,999)
Lithuania’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs ($50,000-99,999)
Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office ($25,000-49,999)
France’s Ministry of Defense ($10,000-24,9999)

And last, but hardly least, the US government contributes between $1 million and $2 million via the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Oh, and there’s one donor listed as “Anonymous,” whose contribution is “$2 million and beyond.” In addition, among the listed donors there are a number of foreign foundations and trade associations with links, including financial links, to their respective governments.

The agenda of the Alliance is clear to anyone with eyes to see: when you go to their web site, the first thing you see under “Our Mission” is:

“Finding out what happened in the United States in 2016 and the impact it had is important. But that is not enough.”

In the 90s Trump's friend said he loved Russian girls because they have no morals.

All his business dealings with known Russian Mobster Sater decades ago.

Of course it isn’t: the goal is to get Trump out of the White House, and, in the process, conduct a witch-hunt on American soil that will root out “Russian influence,” i.e. anyone who opposes the new cold war.

Who better to secure American democracy than the Latvian Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

This is a disturbing and shameless campaign by neocons and democrats, in collusion with European powers to unseat President Trump, which may also be aided by up to 2 million American tax dollars. While this think tank in particular has had little noticeable influence so far, it is one of many helping to fuel the fire of the deranged "Resistance". Expect to see Experts from the Alliance cited in the onslaught of fake news about President Trump in the future. There are likely other similar groups receiving public funds under false pretenses, only to use them against the Trump administration. I can't imagine the president would allow this to continue if he was made aware of it. Foreign lobbying clearly needs stronger regulation and any money flowing from HUD to the GMF should be stopped.

I hope concerned citizens will contact their representatives about this, or express their disgust about the Alliance's activities directly to the misshapen creatures who run it via twitter.

It matters for 2 reasons. One is that helping an adversarial government undermine US elections is extremely unethical and illegal. Two is that it gives the adversarial government material for blackmail. Trump and his people have been complaining for nearly a year that they have no ties to Russia. Who knew this wasn't true? Every Russian they secretly met with. That is something that, for instance, the Russian lawyer Trump Jr. met with could hold over their heads. This isn't purely theoretical: one of that lawyer's clients recently had a suspicious settlement with the justice dpt. regarding a money laundering case.

That said, if you don't think how information was obtained matters, why are Republicans so much more concerned about whether or not people in the Trump campaign were inappropriately unmasked than if they were caught in NSA recordings colluding with Russia?

I live in a country where my father was sent to war because our government is controlled by Israelis. Eat shit and die, motherfucker.

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Information gained through malicious biased abuse of power is a lot different than information lost through incompetence or whistleblowing.

I feel for you, but I don't see how that's relevant. Having a president who is much more competent with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict is part of the reason why Trump should not be in office.

Name any other legitimate candidate who would have stopped cia funding of rebels in Syria

you are 100% right. It was when hellary got "outraged" when Trump said in the debate that he would lie to work with Putin to destroy isis.

best summary I've come across so far m8.

But that's a goal post move. Now you're saying the method of obtaining information is important, but are arbitrarily limiting it to this case.

The truth is both matter. If it were found that there was illegal / inappropriate unmasking it would matter and is worthy of investigation, but that doesn't mean we pretend it wasn't the case that they were caught doing something illegal and unethical. This isn't a court of law, where evidence is stricken if it was obtained illegally. Besides, Nunes was shown to have basically fabricated the story.

>It's like a petulant child crying about getting caught doing something wrong rather than being remorseful over their actions.
lol

He stopped it to please Putin, not out of a genuine understanding of what's going on in Syria.

I guess the earliest I recall is when Trump said something like "we should work with Russia", which led to a collective anal fracture from the left because muh ukraine muh syria.

Well. When dirt comes out on trump how much will you care about how it was obtained? I'll be offended by an abuse of power. If it's from foreign intelligence I'll be offended by the incompetence that allowed it. If it shows trump to be a traitorous villain I'll hate him regardless of the source. Abuse of power by our government will still a serious offense to me regardless if what is found. Foreign intelligence spying attempts are expected.

I'm just old enough to remember when Democrats fired up the biggest anti-war movement since Vietnam and was throwing the book at US service members for breaking the ROE. All to score domestic political points.

These people will destroy our country and kill us all if we don't stop them.

Rand and Ron Paul. What do I win? Besides name one legitimate candidate that's not part of the Cathedral.

Ok, I misspoke. It WAS before the election. Shortly.

>after Trump called on the Russians to hack Hillary's emails at one of his rallies

You mean the ones Hillary "lost"? To say Trump was aking them to hack her is quite uncharitable, considering she "lost" them. Heres Trumps exact quote:

>“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

He's clearly mocking the fact that they were "lost" in the first place. At this point, Hillary has cast such a cloud of ink that I really don't care if Trump was calling for a russian hack. I still want those emails.

To come in here and say "well, you don't remember the fact that trump talked about a wrongdoing of Clinton, so HE'S the bad guy!" and still have the audacity to call us trump shills is mind boggling.

Kindly kill yourself, faggot.

>One is that helping an adversarial government undermine US elections is extremely unethical and illegal.
As the other user said, unless you can prove the leaks are fake, it doesn't matter. Besides, who undermined the US elections wasn't Russia for exposing it, but the DNC for making a joke out of the situation, right? So why the fuck do you come to Sup Forums of all places to spout that retarded cheeky lawyery garbage fest of words you call a coherent phrase?

>Two is that it gives the adversarial government material for blackmail.
What the fuck are you talking about? Everything leaked is there for everyone to see.

Is this dude fucking retarded? Is this bait?

I remember the news pushing it hard around a week after he won the election

Dens were talking about it in the damn primaries though mostly internally.

I know the "17 intelligence agencies" lie first happened during the debates

That exact phrase wasnt mentioned all primary season or at all leading up to that debate. Then HIllary says it and that phrase is dropped 3 times in every political show for a year

Around the time in June 2016 the DNC and Clinton team discovered Seth Rich downloaded their emails. It seems the week later is when they honeypotted Don Jr. with the Russian lawyer entrapment scheme. Hacked emails from General Bob Otto who was in on this whole Russia Russia conspiracy indicate they were going to assassinate the honeypot lawyer and try to tie Don Jr. One Russian guy was murdered around then but she escaped. Also the Ukrainian computer firm Crowdstrike penned the phony report aroind then. Then Seth was murdered July 10th and the whole plan went into overdrive-this was all BEFORE the Wikileaks. My thoughts anyways..

You're right. They knew they had been "hacked" and the emails would be devastating to their credibility so they hatched a containment plan. No one thought it would go this far because no one thought Trump would be elected. With Clinton in the WH it would have been easy to cover their tracks.

The problem is everybody has ties to everybody.
They want to exist and create a "global community" where everybody is somebody and the doors are open to anybody while anything can be bad at the same time.
They all have something they did with somebody they shouldn't but it doesn't matter because nobody cares enough to look.
This Trump stuff is just business as usual but if you say its bad enough times people start to believe you.

That the dirt on Trump is out there would be the number 1 important point for me. If it were obtained inappropriately or illegally, how much I would care about that would be based on the offense. My point is just that the information and how the info was obtained are two different issues and one doesn't invalidate the other.

Ah, another #woke brother. Nice to find you in this racist shit trap of a web site.

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When did Russian Ambassador Kyslyak start popping in for meetings with Sessions, phoning General Flynn, going to trump events and shaking hands and a quick chat. Those entrapments by him all became the fodder for Collusion with Russia. One guy. Close, very very close, to Obama/Clinton/democrats. Known as the life of their parties.

I never knew this Kyslyak fellow existed until MSM started REEEing about him.

June 14, 2016 is the earliest I can find.

I remember some stuttering zit faced low level DNC staffer being questioned over the wikileaks emails and he blamed Russia for no reason and with zero evidence. It was funny as fuck but now it's not so funny anymore since all democrats unironically believe it despite STILL no evidence and with little to no reasoning. Anyway that's the first time it happened, it's interesting to think about how the conspiracy from that measley interview manifested itself into the monster it is today. Would be cool if someone could find the interview

That's exactly it as I recall.

>the intelligence agencies
no, deep state. Clapper, the boss of every intelligence agency we have, said there was no evidence or indication. the legacy media, controlled by a cabal of hyper-rich, hyper-connected elites & intelligencia, conspired to keep this type of information from you. the legacy media suppressed many major stories from people on the left. they literally created a massive, isolated information bubble and fed everyone a constant stream of false narratives, omissions, and twists of fact & word.
There are tens of thousands of sane lefties, there are 10s of millions of brainwashed cultist lefties, and there is the sane right in this equation. Your group is massive but you're all wrong about almost everything. Your owners have put you into an alternate reality. It's why nothing makes any sense to you anymore, and hasn't for at least a couple of years now.
There is a shadow government that exists beyond the control of our elected representatives, and they appear to not want to relinquish control of their slaves just yet.
Sure would be nice if some of you folks would join us in standing up to them.

this, I remember hearing it and hearing the MSM start to talk about Russia in the weeks following and thinking to myself, man, remember when The Russians were your go-to politically correct (i.e. not brown) evil villain for Call of Duty-tier entertainment, and nothing more?

It was when george stephenopolis asked him about putin. I was listening live.

This relationship has been building since the early 90's. When the USSR went down, the leadership stole huge amounts of state assets and needed to get them out of Russia stat. Thats where Trump came in. Helped them export money through USA real estate deals, the more expensive the better, to get the money out at a faster clip.
Been working that game ever since. He had a good thing going until this "president thing" got out of hand.

cont.
The problem is that Trump did LOTS of phone interviews with George Stephanopoulos and so idk what the one where he asked him his thoughts on Putin. However, this was the first time Trump was asked about him, and Trump admitted this several times later in rallies.

Is that all u can remmeber about it? Probably msnbc or cnn? Who was interviewing him?

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= may 2015

muh russia = summer 2016

either kimdotcom knew about a super secret russian plot to take over america almost 1.5 years before USIC and was openly talking about it in interviews or maybe it wasn't the russians

What did they even have on Hillary at that point? Podesta was March 2016 and Seth rich was June 2016.

>he thinks assange has released everything he has on clinton and that it's all related to dnc "hack"

lel

pretty sure it was when trump said something about hoping russa leaks the 33k emails lawyers bleach bit.

Well what was the point of saving it? Was he hoping she'd get elected? Will it come out eventually?

They did rig it using provisional ballots.

Not only did they support one candidate over the other and directly shill for said candidate but they also appear to have swapped ballot boxes with special Hillary voter primary boxes.

This doesn't require collusion between "all 50 states" only collusion between a few DNC officials running the 50 primaries.

Finally it should be telling that the DNC is currently being sued right now for exactly this and they don't even argue that they didn't do they just argue that its not illegal.

Oh they also tried to fuck with the general by colluding hard as fuck with the media even to the point that hillary was getting debate questions in advance.

Back to the drawing board.

"Hilary's worst nightmare in 2016" was the quote.
It's 2017. The biggest hits of 2016 were acquired in 2016.
So what was Kim even talking about?